My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

Sylvia.

On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it showed
> that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
> actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.
>
> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>
> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
> drivers in mind.
>
> Why is this so hard?

**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================

>
> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:
>
> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>
> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.
>

** Is the pic in colour ?

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.

...... Phil

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>> loud enough.
>>
>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>
>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>> drivers in mind.
>>
>> Why is this so hard?
>
> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
> this:
>
> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>
> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:
>
> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
> was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
> leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>
> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
> just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
> well during the day. IR sensitive.
>

I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:

<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>

and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

Sylvia.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it showed
>> that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
>> actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.
>>
>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>
>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>> drivers in mind.
>>
>> Why is this so hard?
>
> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
> this:
>
> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>
> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:
>
> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
> was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
> leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>
> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
> just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
> well during the day. IR sensitive.

ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I'd avoid,
unless they've woken up to that flaw

On 6/09/2021 2:40 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> ================
>
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.
>>
>
> ** Is the pic in colour ?

**Oh yeah. At night, of course, mono, because it is operating on the
internal IR emitters.

>
> IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.
>
> I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.

**Although the picture is a little 'fisheye' quality (which is to be
expected, because it has excellent coverage of my porch and surrounds),
people I know are instantly recognisable.

On 6/09/2021 3:12 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>> loud enough.
>>>
>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>
>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>> drivers in mind.
>>>
>>> Why is this so hard?
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>> this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>> about the system:
>>
>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>
>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>
>
> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>
> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>
>
> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

**The advantage of the Ring system is that you don't have to rely on the
idiot pushing the doorbell. Of course your idea is very inexpensive. And
very, very limited.

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it showed
>>> that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
>>> actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.
>>>
>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>
>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>> drivers in mind.
>>>
>>> Why is this so hard?
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>> this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
>> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
>> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
>> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:
>>
>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
>> was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
>> leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>
>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
>> just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
>> well during the day. IR sensitive.
>
> ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I'd avoid,
> unless they've woken up to that flaw
>

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can't. So,
there's that.

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>> loud enough.
>>
>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>
>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>> drivers in mind.
>>
>> Why is this so hard?
>
> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
> this:
>
> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>
> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:
>
> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
> was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
> leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>
> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
> just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
> well during the day. IR sensitive.
>

It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the continued
existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me comfort.

Sylvia.

On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>> loud enough.
>>>
>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>
>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>> drivers in mind.
>>>
>>> Why is this so hard?
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>> this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>> about the system:
>>
>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>
>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>
>
> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the continued
> existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me comfort.
>
> Sylvia.

**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.

IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.

When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.

Sylvia Else wrote on 6/9/21 3:12 pm:
> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>> loud enough.
>>>
>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>
>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>> drivers in mind.
>>>
>>> Why is this so hard?
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>> this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>> about the system:
>>
>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>
>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>
>
> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>
> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>
>
> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>
> Sylvia.
>
>
I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for delivery!! ;-P

Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 13 Weeks
--
Daniel

On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:55:26 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Sylvia Else wrote on 6/9/21 3:12 pm:
>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>> loud enough.
>>>>
>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>
>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>> this:
>>>
>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>
>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>> about the system:
>>>
>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>
>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>
>>
>> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>>
>> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>>
>>
>> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for delivery!! ;-P
>
>Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 13 Weeks

That's only after the 53 in stock (at time of writing) are sold.

Buy today, should have it next week.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:31:51 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:31:29 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>> loud enough.
>>>>
>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>
>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>> this:
>>>
>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>
>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>> about the system:
>>>
>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>
>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>
>> ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I'd avoid,
>> unless they've woken up to that flaw
>>
>>
> **They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
> the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
> is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
> out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can't. So,
> there's that.

Yes, saving video is almost essential for "most" people with these
things, wonder if they now support onvif, I might have to give em another
look, though I use amcrest and are pretty happy, but always out for new
things

On 6/09/2021 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:55:26 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else wrote on 6/9/21 3:12 pm:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>
>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>
>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>>> about the system:
>>>>
>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>>>
>>>
>>> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>> I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for delivery!! ;-P
>>
>> Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 13 Weeks
>
> That's only after the 53 in stock (at time of writing) are sold.
>
> Buy today, should have it next week.
>

**Or buy something locally and have it on the doorstep in 24 hours:

https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/push-button-switches/6903255/

I still reckon the Ring product will solve ALL Sylvia's problems. A
button will not.

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
>
> I still reckon the Ring product will solve ALL Sylvia's problems.
>

** You are kidding ?

The Sylvia troll is beyond help.

....... Phil

On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:

>
> Buy today, should have it next week.
>

Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
an unexplained delay.

Sylvia.

On 7/09/2021 9:17 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>
>>
>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>
>
> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
> an unexplained delay.
>
> Sylvia.
>

**Buy the Ring product. It will solve all the problems you mentioned.
Easy to install, everything is included (even, as I said, the cutest
little spirit level), is well made and doesn't have to be connected to
the internet. You can get it today.

Colin Earl wrote on 6/9/21 9:28 pm:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:55:26 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else wrote on 6/9/21 3:12 pm:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>
>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>
>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>>> about the system:
>>>>
>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>>>
>>>
>>> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>> I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for delivery!! ;-P
>>
>> Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 13 Weeks
>
> That's only after the 53 in stock (at time of writing) are sold.
>
> Buy today, should have it next week.
>
AHHH!! That makes sense!! ;-)
--
Daniel

Sylvia Else wrote on 7/9/21 9:17 am:
> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>
>>
>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>
>
> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
> an unexplained delay.
>
> Sylvia.
>
And didn't I hear, over the week-end or so, the Aust Post delivery vans
have been soooo overloaded with deliveries that they are going on a 'go
slow'!!
--
Daniel

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>
>>
>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>
>
> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
> an unexplained delay.

Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.

But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>> an unexplained delay.
>
> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>
> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>

On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.

Sylvia.

On 8/09/2021 9:25 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>> an unexplained delay.
>>
>> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
>> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
>> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
>> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
>> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>>
>> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
>> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>>
>
> On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
> Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.
>
> Sylvia.
**I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:

* Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
* When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.

You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.

However, that only solves one of the problems.

I provided a perfectly suitable solution to BOTH problems. It provides
additional features that you may or may not find useful.

Why is it not under consideration?

Curious minds want to know.

On 8/09/2021 3:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 8/09/2021 9:25 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>>> an unexplained delay.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
>>> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
>>> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
>>> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
>>> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>>>
>>> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
>>> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>>>
>>
>> On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
>> Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> **I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:
>
> * Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
> * When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.
>
> You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.

**Duh. Smacks head. Should read: "Your solution.."

On 08-Sep-21 3:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 8/09/2021 9:25 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>>> an unexplained delay.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
>>> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
>>> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
>>> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
>>> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>>>
>>> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
>>> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>>>
>>
>> On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
>> Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> **I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:
>
> * Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
> * When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.
>
> You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.
>
> However, that only solves one of the problems.
>
> I provided a perfectly suitable solution to BOTH problems. It provides
> additional features that you may or may not find useful.
>
> Why is it not under consideration?
>
> Curious minds want to know.

The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
door telling them to use the doorbell.

The WiFi solution is expensive, probably impossible to repair when it
breaks, and my microwave oven is powerful enough to disrupt Wifi when in
use.

I have no use for the video capabilities, since I have a video solution
in place.

I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
All I need is a push-button that will last.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
================

> I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
> All I need is a push-button that will last.

** IME

Micro-switch based push buttons are tops.
Used for launching wing mounted, heat seeking missiles and nuke weapons.

Door bells are a doddle.

...... Phil