On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>> loud enough.
>>>>
>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>
>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>> found this:
>>>
>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>
>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>> about the system:
>>>
>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery
>>> guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>
>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>
>>
>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>> comfort.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
> it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>
> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
> doorbell will work just fine.
>
> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
> quite nicely constructed.

Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.

It's a good deterrence to burglars too.

keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:
> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
>>>>> delivery drivers in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>
>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>> found this:
>>>>
>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>
>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
>>>> things) about the system:
>>>>
>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
>>>> your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was
>>>> in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my
>>>> home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
>>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>> comfort.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
>> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>
>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>
>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
>> quite nicely constructed.
>
> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>
> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.

Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
company none the less!!
--
Daniel

On 11/09/2021 9:22 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:
>> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure,
>>>>>> the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but
>>>>>> not loud enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
>>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
>>>>>> delivery drivers in mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>>
>>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>>> found this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>>
>>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
>>>>> things) about the system:
>>>>>
>>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
>>>>> your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
>>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
>>>>> was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to
>>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
>>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well
>>>>> at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>>> comfort.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
>>> storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>>
>>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>>
>>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
>>> and quite nicely constructed.
>>
>> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
>> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>>
>> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
>
> Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
> she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
> company none the less!!

Our cocker would let us know if anybody came into the front garden, and
he disrupted a burglary attempt (it was dark and the burglars couldn't
see that it was just a little cocker) but unfortunately he didn't make
it to 15.

On 11/09/2021 7:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
>>>>> delivery drivers in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>
>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>> found this:
>>>>
>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>
>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
>>>> things) about the system:
>>>>
>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
>>>> your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was
>>>> in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my
>>>> home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
>>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>> comfort.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
>> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>
>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>
>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
>> quite nicely constructed.
>
> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>
> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.

**All good points. except:

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/are-our-pets-bad-for-the-environment/

And:

https://www.thesprucepets.com/the-cost-of-dog-ownership-1117321

Don't get me wrong: I've owned dogs. Fabulous companion animals. And it
is true that mine alerted me to visitors. However, for _me_, the cost
was too great, so when my last one was put down (at age 15 and it was
the most gut-wrenching thing I've ever done), I decided that I would not
own another.

The Ring is cheaper, 100% reliable. My old girl got to the point where
she could no longer hear the visitors, could barely see them and mostly
couldn't be bothered hopping out of her bed. That was not why I had her
put down BTW. She had Cushings Syndrome and it finally impacted on her
brain. The last couple of days of her life were extremely unpleasant and
very distressing for my partner and me.

As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:

* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).

I had a successful burglary at my last home and a couple of attempted
burglaries. After I installed an alarm (with a nice red LED, that was
visible during the day) and camera system, I never had a problem. I've
done the same here, but, in truth, my suburb is, according to official
stats, the lowest crime suburb in Sydney metro. My neighbour leaves his
garage door unlocked. so we (his immediate neighbours) have easy access
to his extensive and expensive range of tools. I reckon he is nuts, but
he has lived here for something like 40 years and never had a problem.
Hell, until two years ago, he left the key in the front door 24/7!

"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
news:iq3bmlFhnd0U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>
>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>
>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
>>>> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
>>>> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
>>>> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the
>>>> system:
>>>>
>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the continued
>>> existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me comfort.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It can
>> be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and it
>> works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the internet,
>> is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing video on the
>> company's server. Which I don't.
>>
>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My doorbell
>> will work just fine.
>>
>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing and
>> it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and quite
>> nicely constructed.
>
> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog. Anybody
> coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.

The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
dropped the parcel outside the door so you
can retrieve it before someone nicks it.

> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> On 11/09/2021 9:22 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:
>>> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>>>> found this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>>>>> about the system:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery
>>>>>> guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
>>>>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>>>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
>>>> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>>>
>>>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>>>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>>>
>>>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
>>>> quite nicely constructed.
>>>
>>> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
>>> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>>>
>>> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
>>
>> Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
>> she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
>> company none the less!!

> Our cocker would let us know if anybody came into the front garden,

Didn’t work very well with my fucking great alsatian. He used to
lie in front of the big patio door which is my front door, looking
over the park/walkway next to the house. Didn’t do anything
about the school kids walking thru the park/walkway unless
they ran thru. But with a couple of individuals would bark
like mad as soon as they were visible around the street
end of the park/walkway. Purely because they were scared
of dogs, not because of anything they had done in the past.

And he used to hurl himself at the other massive great
patio door that was next to the letterbox whenever the
posty used to show up on his motorbike with a letter.

The posty used to worry about him coming right thru
the door and devour him. Never happened because
the doors are armoured glass.

> and he disrupted a burglary attempt (it was dark and the burglars couldn't
> see that it was just a little cocker)

Any burglar with a clue can tell from the bark.

but unfortunately he didn't make
> it to 15.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> On 11/09/2021 7:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>>>> loud enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>>
>>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found
>>>>> this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>>
>>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the
>>>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>>>> about the system:
>>>>>
>>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy
>>>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
>>>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
>>>>> system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and
>>>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>>> comfort.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
>>> it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
>>> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>>
>>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>>
>>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
>>> quite nicely constructed.
>>
>> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog. Anybody
>> coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>>
>> It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
>
> **All good points. except:
>
> https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/are-our-pets-bad-for-the-environment/

Fuck the environment.

> And:
>
> https://www.thesprucepets.com/the-cost-of-dog-ownership-1117321
>
> Don't get me wrong: I've owned dogs. Fabulous companion animals. And it is
> true that mine alerted me to visitors. However, for _me_, the cost was too
> great, so when my last one was put down (at age 15 and it was the most
> gut-wrenching thing I've ever done), I decided that I would not own
> another.

I don’t care about the cost even tho the fucking great
alsatian wasn’t that cheap to feed. Now in spades, I will
never spend my vast accumulated wealth before I cark it.

By far the best dog I ever had, and I have had dozens of them.

> The Ring is cheaper, 100% reliable. My old girl got to the point where she
> could no longer hear the visitors,

Yeah, the neighbour's ended up like that.

> could barely see them

Mine went down very fast indeed so never had those
problems and lasted a bit longer than yours.

> and mostly couldn't be bothered hopping out of her bed.

Yeah, an irish deerhound that stayed at my place
when a mate of mine was away was like that. The
bugger didn’t even look up when a small cat that
I had at my place for another mate at the time
quite literally walked over the deerhound.

> That was not why I had her put down BTW. She had Cushings Syndrome and it
> finally impacted on her brain. The last couple of days of her life were
> extremely unpleasant and very distressing for my partner and me.
>
> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
> effective:
>
> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red LED
> mounted on it.
> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
>
> I had a successful burglary at my last home and a couple of attempted
> burglaries. After I installed an alarm (with a nice red LED, that was
> visible during the day) and camera system, I never had a problem.

Didn’t work for my next door neighbour. They have all of that and
still got some burglary attempts. I would always go around and
check it out when the alarm went off when my mates were away.

And it didn’t stop a loon quite literally burning the house next
door to that one to the ground when the stupid cow decided
that the house was infested with demons. She was quite literally
living in the roof of the housing commission house down the
street because she had decided that house was infested with
demons too. She's still at large too, they never did put her in
the loony bin.

> I've done the same here, but, in truth, my suburb is, according to
> official stats, the lowest crime suburb in Sydney metro. My neighbour
> leaves his garage door unlocked. so we (his immediate neighbours) have
> easy access to his extensive and expensive range of tools. I reckon he is
> nuts, but he has lived here for something like 40 years and never had a
> problem. Hell, until two years ago, he left the key in the front door
> 24/7!

On 12/09/2021 7:39 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
> news:iq3bmlFhnd0U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure,
>>>>>> the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but
>>>>>> not loud enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
>>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
>>>>>> delivery drivers in mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>>
>>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>>> found this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>>
>>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
>>>>> things) about the system:
>>>>>
>>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
>>>>> your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
>>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
>>>>> was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to
>>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
>>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well
>>>>> at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>>> comfort.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
>>> storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>>
>>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>>
>>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
>>> and quite nicely constructed.
>>
>> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
>> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>
> The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
> see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
> and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
> dropped the parcel outside the door so you
> can retrieve it before someone nicks it.
>

**AND you can speak to anyone at your front door, from anyplace on the
planet. I've used that facility once. BLD (Before Lock Down).

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:iq3bmlFhnd0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure,
>>>>>>> the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but
>>>>>>> not loud enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
>>>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
>>>>>>> delivery drivers in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>>>>> found this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
>>>>>> things) about the system:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
>>>>>> your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>>>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
>>>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
>>>>>> was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to
>>>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
>>>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>>>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well
>>>>>> at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>>>>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>>>>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>>>>> comfort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
>>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
>>>> and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
>>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
>>>> storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>>>>
>>>> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
>>>> doorbell will work just fine.
>>>>
>>>> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
>>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
>>>> and quite nicely constructed.
>>>
>>> Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
>>> Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
>>
>> The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
>> see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
>> and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
>> dropped the parcel outside the door so you
>> can retrieve it before someone nicks it.

> AND you can speak to anyone at your front door, from anyplace on
> the planet. I've used that facility once. BLD (Before Lock Down).

Yeah, vastly better to be able to tell the delivery monkey
where to leave it more securely if you aren't at home.

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
>
> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:
>
> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
> LED mounted on it.
> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
>

** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.

2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.

....... Phil

On 12/09/2021 8:16 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> =================
>>
>> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:
>>
>> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
>> LED mounted on it.
>> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
>>
>
> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>
> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>
> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>
> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>

**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range. In truth, I didn't buy mine for the
camera. For me, two way communication with the visitor and a reasonable
detection range of people is all I needed. The vision of visitors is
just a bonus.

Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
> >
> > 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
> >
> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
> >
> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
> >
> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
> before getting into camera range.

** What for?

Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.

...... Phil

On 12/09/2021 9:55 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>
>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>>>
>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>>>
>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>>>
>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>> before getting into camera range.
>
> ** What for?
>
> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.

**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.

Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
> >>>
> >>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
> >>>
> >> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
> >> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
> >> before getting into camera range.
> >
> > ** What for?
> >
> > Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.

> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.

** Massive, silly fantasy.

1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

........ Phil

On 12/09/2021 10:21 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>>>>>
>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>
>>> ** What for?
>>>
>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>
> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>
> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.

**Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

**See, I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense. I had one guy who
lived 500m from my home who tried once. The bars on the workshop windows
stopped him. I know who it was, because I saw him run off, when I
arrived home. I confronted him later (I knew him) and told him to never
return, as there would be repercussions.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

**Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
>> effective:

>> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
>> LED mounted on it.
>> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).

> Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.

Wrong, as always.

> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic

Doesn’t have to be blurry, stupid.

> of a total stranger.

It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
> the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered
and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
> about

So don’t have it visible, stupid.

> - others don't even care.

And will be recognised by the cops.

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:29:16 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 10:21 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> > Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
> >>>>>
> >>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
> >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
> >>>> before getting into camera range.
> >>>
> >>> ** What for?
> >>>
> >>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
> >
> >> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
> >> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
> >> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
> >
> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
> >
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> **Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
> the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

** All you will get is a case number for insurance purposes.

> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

> ** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

** You would lose that bet, big time.

My part of Sydney is full of methadone clinics, half way houses for ex convicts and very cheap boarding houses.
PLUS the Rev Bill Cruise refuge center for druggies.
There is a constantly changing flow of clients for all of the above.

Druggies have no regular address.

..... Phil

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> >>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
>> >>> of a total stranger.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as
>> >>> they arrive and it's game over.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>> >>> about - others don't even care.
>> >>>
>> >> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>> >> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>> >> before getting into camera range.
>> >
>> > ** What for?
>> >
>> > Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.

> Massive, silly fantasy.

> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.

That is a pig ignorant lie. They have investigated 4 of mine and my
neighbours' too.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
> police.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

Not only did they investigate the stolen twin cab temporarily dumped
at my place, they lurked inside the house to see if they could catch
the thieves picking it up later, they had it towed away with the thieves
didn’t show up, somehow worked out who had stolen it, maybe from
the fingerprints or something, then went around to the culprits place
and arrested them and got beat up and ended up in hospital and
even showed up on Ray Hadley's program and Media Watch last week.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
>>>>>> of a total stranger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as
>>>>>> they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>>>>>> about - others don't even care.
>>>>>>
>>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>>
>>>> ** What for?
>>>>
>>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>>
>>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>>
>> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>>
>> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>
> Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of the
> loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

Its bullshit, they have done just this year with my neighbour.

>> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> See, I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense.

That’s bullshit too, all mine have been locals.

> I had one guy who lived 500m from my home who tried once. The bars on the
> workshop windows stopped him. I know who it was, because I saw him run
> off, when I arrived home. I confronted him later (I knew him) and told him
> to never return, as there would be repercussions.
>
>> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
>> police.
>
> Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

Yep, they did with mine. The cop told me was back in jail next day.

Rod Ex-Speed Cop Lying LUNATIC wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------
>

> It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

** ROTFL
>
> The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
> the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

** Rod lives in a small town.

> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
> > the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

> That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered

** Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.

> and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

** Not so easy at all in reality.
A place Rod has never visited.

> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
> > about
> So don’t have it visible, stupid.

** Not so easy & has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that - areshole.

> And will be recognised by the cops.

** Fat chance.

..... Phil

Rod Ex -Speed Cop MASSIVE LIAR wrote:

==============================
>
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> That is a pig ignorant lie. They have investigated 4 of mine and my
> neighbours' too.

** Rod lives in a country town and lies and lies and lies.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
> > police.
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

** Rod lives in a country town and lies and lies and lies.

> Not only did they investigate the stolen twin cab

** FFS that is NOT a "home burglary".
When I had my credit card stolen from my home once, the burglar left a trail behind.
My ( on-line) card statement revealed each place he used it.
One was nearby, so I spoke with the shop keeper within a few days.

He found a receipt and remembered the transaction.
Told me what the guy looked like and what he bought = designer sunglasses.
Cops did nothing.

...... Phil

On 12/09/2021 10:21, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>>>>>
>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>
>>> ** What for?
>>>
>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>
> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>
> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
They still do in Victoria.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Some do, some don't.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Gary R. Schmidt bullshitted:
======================

> >
> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
> >
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> They still do in Victoria.

** Nonsense.

Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??

> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.

** Meaningless drivel.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
>
> Some do, some don't.

** Not in big cities.

....... Phil

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>> > Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry
>> >>>>> pic of a total stranger.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon
>> >>>>> as they arrive and it's game over.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>> >>>>> about - others don't even care.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>> >>>> before getting into camera range.
>> >>>
>> >>> ** What for?
>> >>>
>> >>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>> >
>> >> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> >> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to
>> >> the
>> >> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>> >
>> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>> >
>> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>> **Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
>> the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

> All you will get is a case number for insurance purposes.

Wrong, as always. The cops showed up at my place,
gave them them video, told them the school could
identify him, the school did. The cops told his dad
that they wanted to interview him about the robbery.
His dad frog marched him to my place and made him
flog some of his toys to pay me for what got stolen.
>
>> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
>
>> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
>> > police.
>
>> ** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.
>
> You would lose that bet, big time.

Nope.

> My part of Sydney is full of methadone clinics, half way
> houses for ex convicts and very cheap boarding houses.

No surprises there given who you are.

> PLUS the Rev Bill Cruise refuge center for druggies.
> There is a constantly changing flow of clients for all of the above.

> Druggies have no regular address.

That’s bullshit too. Mate of mine is one and has a regular address.

It was hilarious to be at a garage sale with him with the cops
ringing him to get him to hand himself in with him completely
out of his fucking tree and abusing the cops on the phone.

He did eventually hand himself in and was off to jail again.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod wrote

>> It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

>> The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
>> the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

> Rod lives in a small town.

Its not that small and a mate of mine in sydney
has had the cops show up recently. In Guilford.

>> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
>> > the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>
>> That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered
>
> Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.

Nothing like your original bullshit.

>> and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

> Not so easy at all in reality.

More mindless bullshit. Trivially easy in fact.

>> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if
>> > there is a visible camera about

>> So don’t have it visible, stupid.

> Not so easy

More mindless bullshit.

> & has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that

Only a terminal fuckwit such as yourself wouldn’t have both, fuckwit.

>> And will be recognised by the cops.

> Fat chance.

More mindless bullshit.