On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 19:43:45 +1000, Daniel65 wrote:

> Sylvia Else wrote on 7/9/21 9:17 am:
>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>> an unexplained delay.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
> And didn't I hear, over the week-end or so, the Aust Post delivery vans
> have been soooo overloaded with deliveries that they are going on a 'go
> slow'!!

not quite, they are delaying their vans picking up parcels from online
retailers in syd/melb only, until they clear a massive backlog.
In Brisbane, I just got a parcel from WA in 3 days, so no go slow there :)

On 8/09/2021 7:08 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 08-Sep-21 3:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/09/2021 9:25 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it
>>>>> will
>>>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>>>> an unexplained delay.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
>>>> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
>>>> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
>>>> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
>>>> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>>>>
>>>> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
>>>> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
>>> Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>> **I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:
>>
>> * Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
>> * When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.
>>
>> You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.
>>
>> However, that only solves one of the problems.
>>
>> I provided a perfectly suitable solution to BOTH problems. It provides
>> additional features that you may or may not find useful.
>>
>> Why is it not under consideration?
>>
>> Curious minds want to know.
>
> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
> door telling them to use the doorbell.

**I bet that doesn't work. It hasn't for me. Sometimes, the lazy
arseholes just drop packages over the front fence. Fortunately, the
camera detects such activities and alerts me.

>
> The WiFi solution is expensive, probably impossible to repair when it
> breaks, and my microwave oven is powerful enough to disrupt Wifi when in
> use.

**Then you may have far more serious problems to worry about. It would
seem that you may have one or more of the following problems:

* Microwave leakage. This can be a VERY serious problem for your health.
Buy a leakage detector and check.
* The internal SMPS (if it uses one) may require suppression. Perhaps
the manufacturer is lazy, or existing suppression components are faulty.
* Mechanical switches may require suppression.
* Your WIFi is shit.

BTW: The Ring system operates by setting up it's own WiFi system, by
connecting to your existing one.

>
> I have no use for the video capabilities, since I have a video solution
> in place.

**OK.

>
> I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
> All I need is a push-button that will last.

**OK. Then the one you have selected should do the trick. Buy from
Element14 or RS. We need to support local suppliers, or they will leave
the country forever. They are usually quicker than overeseas suppliers
too. WES is worth trying too.

Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------
> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
> door telling them to use the doorbell.

** ROTFL !

I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
I guess they just don't see it.

BTW

there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door at a previous address would have been invaluable.
On one such it would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
Recommended.

....... Phil

On 9/09/2021 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> I guess they just don't see it.

**SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on
the door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which
has this neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to
miss. Yet they still knock.

>
> BTW
>
> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door at a previous address would have been invaluable.
> On one such it would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
> Recommended.

**OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional
video intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me that
he had installed a few Ring devices and found them to work flawlessly.

On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> I guess they just don't see it.

I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
and closed.

Hmmm....

Sylvia.

On 9/09/2021 12:27 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>
>> ** ROTFL  !
>>
>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.
>
> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
> to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
> and closed.
>
> Hmmm....
>
> Sylvia.

**You could do that.

OR, you could install a Ring system, which will detect a caller long
before they knock on the door and alert you.

Just a thought.

Sylvia Else wrote:
================
>
> >> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
> >> door telling them to use the doorbell.
> >
> > ** ROTFL !
> >
> > I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> > Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> > I guess they just don't see it.
>
> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
> to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
> and closed.

** A crazy situation exists for many people living in strata blocks:
Most such blocks have an external door bell and intercom system.
Inside each unit is a pretty loud sounder that residents soon get to accustomed treating as their door alarm.
Unique sound, nothing else like it, audible in each room.
Hearing it will get you out of bed in the morning, to see who the heck it is.

But one or two mornings each year, the "fire safety inspector" arrives.
They do not use the external bell system at all, cos they have a key to the main doors of the building.
Instead they tap, tap on each door. Maybe at 7am.

This does not wake anyone or even remind them of anyone being at the door - since that is not the right trigger sound.
In unit blocks, one hears random tapping noises all the time and learns to ignore them.
So your unit gets missed by the inspector and you cop a letter from strata with a nasty threat of a $2000 or more fine.

To avoid such NON EXISTENT fine you are to arrange a call back and pay a cash fee of $150 or more.

This nonsense is entirely as intended by the inspection company.
Backed up by assholes in strata management.

Been going on for almost 20 years so far.

...... Phil

noel wrote on 8/9/21 10:36 pm:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 19:43:45 +1000, Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else wrote on 7/9/21 9:17 am:
>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>> an unexplained delay.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>> And didn't I hear, over the week-end or so, the Aust Post delivery vans
>> have been soooo overloaded with deliveries that they are going on a 'go
>> slow'!!
>
> not quite, they are delaying their vans picking up parcels from online
> retailers in syd/melb only, until they clear a massive backlog.
> In Brisbane, I just got a parcel from WA in 3 days, so no go slow there :)
>
Ah, O.K., thanks for clearing that up. ;-P
--
Daniel

Trevor Wilson wrote on 9/9/21 1:13 pm:
> On 9/09/2021 12:27 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
>>>> the
>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>>
>>> ** ROTFL  !
>>>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>>> I guess they just don't see it.
>>
>> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
>> to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
>> and closed.
>>
>> Hmmm....
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> **You could do that.
>
> OR, you could install a Ring system, which will detect a caller long
> before they knock on the door and alert you.
>
> Just a thought.

Does Sylvia have a fly-wire door?? Fit a normally open switch which
closes as soon as the fly-wire door is opened and rings the bell! Job
done. ;-)
--
Daniel

Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.

Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65 puked

> > I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>
> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>

** Wot a very interesting question -

from a lying troll, dope that wouldn't know if its stinking arse were on fire.

....... Phil

On 2021-09-09, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
> On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>
>> ** ROTFL !
>>
>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.
>
> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
> to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
> and closed.

You can buy knock sensors, they might work on doors :) or build
something, eg: a normally closed leaf switch with one leaf soldered to nail in the
door and the other soldered to a weight

Door slamming could be perhaps cured by a reed switch with a timeout

Perhaps a fast reed switch and a slow one in series, (a slow reed switch
is a regular reed switch inside a copper block)

--
Jasen.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote

>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.

>> ROTFL !

>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.

> SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on the
> door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which has this
> neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to miss. Yet
> they still knock.

That’s because plenty of the fancy systems don’t
work anymore. Knocking on the door avoids that.

I have in fact done that myself, tho I usually do both.

Certainly that is the big advantage of the movement
detector approach, that works regardless of what the
delivery monkey chooses to do, even just drop the
parcel at the door and not even knock on the door
because that’s the quickest way to do things.

>> BTW

>> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door
>> at a previous address would have been invaluable. On one such it would
>> have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
>> Recommended.

> OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
> consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional video
> intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me that he had
> installed a few Ring devices and found them to work flawlessly.

Wonder how many get stolen or vandalised ?

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote

>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.

>> ROTFL !

>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.

> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding to
> other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened and
> closed.

Wouldn’t be hard to include a door opening and closing sensor
and have the system include that in the knock detector.

> Hmmm....

Stop humming, it keeps us awake...

On 10/09/2021 5:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
>>>> the door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
>>> ROTFL  !
>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>>> I guess they just don't see it.
>
>> SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on
>> the door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which
>> has this neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to
>> miss. Yet they still knock.
>
> That’s because plenty of the fancy systems don’t
> work anymore. Knocking on the door avoids that.
>
> I have in fact done that myself, tho I usually do both.
>
> Certainly that is the big advantage of the movement
> detector approach, that works regardless of what the
> delivery monkey chooses to do, even just drop the
> parcel at the door and not even knock on the door
> because that’s the quickest way to do things.

**Precisely.

>
>>> BTW
>
>>> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my
>>> door at a previous address would have been invaluable. On one such it
>>> would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
>>> Recommended.
>
>> OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
>> consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional
>> video intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me
>> that he had installed a few Ring devices and found them to work
>> flawlessly.
>
> Wonder how many get stolen or vandalised ?

**Dunno. Around here, such things are extremely unlikely, though, in
other parts of Shitney, it is quite probable. They do supply Torx™ bolts
for installation, which makes removal slightly difficult for a casual
theif. That said, the Ring could be prised from the wall without much
difficulty. I suspect few could be bothered.

On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>
>> ** ROTFL  !
>>
>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>
> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P

**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.

Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.

On 2021-09-09, Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>>
>>> ** ROTFL  !
>>>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>
>> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
>> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>
> **Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
>
> Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
"R" and "F"

--
Jasen.

On 10/09/2021 6:03 am, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2021-09-09, Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>> On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>>>
>>>> ** ROTFL  !
>>>>
>>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
>>> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>>
>> **Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
>>
>> Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
>
> "R" and "F"
>

**LOL! That'll learn me to type messages after just waking up. [Smacks head]

On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>

The sign turns out not to be fool-proof.

A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
pointing to. <sigh>

I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."

Sylvia.

On 10/09/2021 9:11 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>
>> ** ROTFL  !
>>
>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>
>
> The sign turns out not to be fool-proof.
>
> A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
> So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
> pointing to. <sigh>
>
> I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
>
> Sylvia.

**Hey, here's a thought: Buy the Ring system. Foolproof.

On 06-Sep-21 3:12 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>
> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>
>
> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>
> Sylvia.
>
>

It comes in various voltages for driving the LED. A resistor is
obviously involved, but it turns out that which voltage you order
determines which value resistor is supplied loose in the plastic bag
containing the switch.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
-------------------------
>
> A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
> So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
> pointing to. <sigh>
>
> I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
>

** Shops often use simple IR beams to detect customers at the entry.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232135538477

..... Phil

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
>>>> the
>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>>
>>> ** ROTFL !
>>>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>
>> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
>> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>
> **Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
>
> Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.

That Freud fella is pissing himself laughing...

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote

>> A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
>> So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
>> pointing to. <sigh>
>>
>> I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
>>
>
> Shops often use simple IR beams to detect customers at the entry.
>
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232135538477

Camera works much better, you can see if it’s the stupid
joveys or someone else who isn't worth answering the
door for and see if it’s a delivery monkey with a parcel etc.

Trevor Wilson wrote on 10/9/21 5:59 am:
> On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
>>>> the
>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>>>
>>> ** ROTFL  !
>>>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>
>> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is
>> being burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>
> **Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
>
> Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.

Hmm! I was thinking you meant to type "frame" but hit the 'l' in place
of the 'r'!! Would that be same finger but opposite hand or something??
--
Daniel