On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a
>>>>>>> troll
>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>> sell.
>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it was
>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is
>>>> way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>
>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing your
>>> childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry laddie,
>>> it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom built
>>> units like this one.
>>
>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>
> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the task
> rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple compromises.
>>
>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>
>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a laptop
>> these days. The age of the machine would mean that the components would
>
> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different purpose*. It
> cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now fulfils.

The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and 2 TB
of SSD storage, a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus VGA, and a
DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't fulfill. You
don't need a monster tower these days.

My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than your
old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds, and
works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen with a
stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost less than $800.

The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you are
heavily into gaming or CGI.

>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth something
>> but the rest would be e-waste.
>
> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having been
> *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste is the
> case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are all now
> ensconced in this;  https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of which I
> gave away to a friend.

Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
has a lot of value.

>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life here
>>> as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec P10 F-LUX
>>> midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using a Thermaltake
>>> 500W PSU instead of the
>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880 that
>>> it came with. How much is one of these on the used market Grumps?
>>
>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may be
>> interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>
> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it. I
> was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits and bobs.

Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
has a lot of value.

>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half
>>>> the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc
>>>> and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any more) are
>>>> minimal at best.
>>>
>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you wouldn't
>>> make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite literally
>>> dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said it was big
>>> after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how big. Too big for
>>> my needs.
>>
>> That makes it even less saleable.
>
> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with cars,
> old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a complete unit.

Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.

>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>
>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>
>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>
>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>
> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>
>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>
> It *is* of value - to me.

As I have said, that is fine, but don't believe that it has an
appreciable monetary value.

>> was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>
> Yes, he had no further use for it and, rather than binning it, sold it
> cheap. Peter said as much in his response to another poster. I
> understand that philosophy, it's why I gave away my older tower unit to
> a person who couldn't afford even a token price. I wanted it to be
> *used*, it is. I'm sure Peter just wanted his tower to be useful to
> someone, it is, me!

If it had an appreciable monetary value then binning it would not have
been on the cards.

On 3/3/22 18:11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a
>>>>>>>> troll
>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is
>>>>> way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing your
>>>> childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry laddie,
>>>> it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom built
>>>> units like this one.
>>>
>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>
>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>> compromises.
>>>
>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>
>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>> components would
>>
>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different purpose*.
>> It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now fulfils.
>>
>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth something
>>> but the rest would be e-waste.
>>
>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having been
>> *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste is the
>> case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are all now
>> ensconced in this; https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>
>
> nice! you could put a decent computer into that for playing solitaire!  :)

I did put a decent computer into it! A Gigabyte X58A-UD7 Mobo with an
i7, 12 GB of triple channel RAM and a Gigabyte GTX1050 graphics card.
Won't be used for Solitaire however.
>
>
>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of which
>> I gave away to a friend.
>>>
>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life here
>>>> as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec P10
>>>> F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using a
>>>> Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880 that
>>>> it came with. How much is one of these on the used market Grumps?
>>>
>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>
>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it. I
>> was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits and
>> bobs.
>>>
>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half
>>>>> the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc
>>>>> and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any more) are
>>>>> minimal at best.
>>>>
>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you wouldn't
>>>> make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite literally
>>>> dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said it was big
>>>> after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how big. Too big
>>>> for my needs.
>>>
>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>
>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with cars,
>> old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a complete unit.
>>>
>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>
>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>
>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>>
>> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>>
>>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>>
>> It *is* of value - to me.
>>
>>> was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>>
>> Yes, he had no further use for it and, rather than binning it, sold it
>> cheap. Peter said as much in his response to another poster. I
>> understand that philosophy, it's why I gave away my older tower unit
>> to a person who couldn't afford even a token price. I wanted it to be
>> *used*, it is. I'm sure Peter just wanted his tower to be useful to
>> someone, it is, me!
>>
>
> you shot him down in flames! on every point. poor old keefy crashed and
> burnt (but not vaporised!). RIP you silly old sod.
>
>

--
Xeno

On 3/03/2022 3:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 4:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 2:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 5:36 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and
>>>>>>> combustion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you call Jonz a "Village idiot", he's an intellectual giant
>>>>>> compared to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If water burns, why do the fire brigade pour it on burning
>>>>>> buildings? It is because it's cheaper than petrol and they can
>>>>>> dance around the fire as the water burns up chanting "Burn baby
>>>>>> burn"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway the next bit may be hard for you as it contains science,
>>>>>> I'll type it slowly, you can stick your tongue out if it helps you
>>>>>> to concentrate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most substances (not all but including water) have 3 states,
>>>>>> solid, liquid, and gaseous, with water these are called ice,
>>>>>> water, and water vapour. Transitioning between these states
>>>>>> involves latent energy, e.g. going from liquid to gaseous,
>>>>>> (latent) heat of vaporization or heat of evaporation, is the
>>>>>> amount of energy (enthalpy) that must be added to a liquid
>>>>>> substance to transform a quantity of that substance into a gas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So when water is converted into vapor in the induction system of
>>>>>> an IC engine it absorbs energy cooling the mixture and preventing
>>>>>> pre-detonation (Knocking). This allows a higher compression ratio
>>>>>> or a higher level of boost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus water is evaporated not burnt, AFAIK, the only way that water
>>>>>> would be "Burnt" would be in a thermo-nuclear reaction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus endeth the lesson.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> duh! you really are a pretentious conceited asshole,  arn't you.
>>>>> (rhetorical question). of course it's evaporated. that's what I
>>>>> meant by simply saying it's 'burnt'. it cannot remain in it's
>>>>> liquid state. noddy can't see beyond the end of his nose, and you
>>>>> can't see beyond your ego.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Burnt and evaporated are completely different things. You're backing
>>>> up faster than an Italian tank, and trying to blame others for your
>>>> fuckup. You were given adequate chance to change your story but
>>>> doubled down on it - so take it like a man and admit that you didn't
>>>> know what you were talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>> by saying 'burnt' I meant it changes to a gaseous state by the
>>> intense heat. that's exctly what I meant. being pedantic about my
>>> choice of words won't cut it for you. shirly you can't really believe
>>> I thought water is a flammable liquid? or are you really that stupid?
>>> but maybe you are because you thought it was necessary to explain the
>>> three states that water can exist in above.
>>>
>>>
>> Nothing pedantic about it, if something can be burnt, then it is
>> inflammable.
>
>
> and you noddy and deryl were the only ppl stupid enough to think I
> believed water was flammable. (grubby and the village idiot were
> probably too busy trying to tie their shoelaces to post)
>
>
>> The words burnt and evaporated have completely different meanings, and
>> burnt does not mean converted to a gaseous state.
>
>
> it was what I meant by it

Then why didn't you say so? You can squirm as much as you like, but you
showed a total lack of knowledge about basic physical processes.

>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014
>>
>> burn (bɜrn)
>>
>> v. burned burnt, burn•ing, v.i.
>> 1. to consume fuel and give off heat, gases, and usu. light; be on fire.
>> 2.
>>   a. to undergo combustion; oxidize.
>>   b. to undergo fission or fusion.
>>
>> I explained it at length because you didn't seem to have a clue about
>> it, and needed some education. You may notice that something burnt has
>> given off heat whereas something evaporated has absorbed heat, that is
>> a major distinction. Maybe science just isn't your thing.
>
>
> maybe not being a pompas ass just isn't your thing

Maybe being a scientific simpleton is yours.

On 3/03/2022 6:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 4:08 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 4:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 3:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:53:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and
>>>>>>>>>>> also water
>>>>>>>>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah man!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in
>>>>>>>>>> the tall
>>>>>>>>>> grass I'll wager!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> *knew* :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>>>>>>>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining
>>>>>>>>>> apology, in
>>>>>>>>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>>>>>>>>> Get to it, boy!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run
>>>>>>>>> better in
>>>>>>>>> humid weather,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're
>>>>>>>> long on
>>>>>>>> rhetoric and short on fact
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence
>>>>>>> makes it
>>>>>>> a statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That makes sense.
>>>>>> In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last
>>>>>> said on a
>>>>>> subject is the truth'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster
>>>>>> obvious lie
>>>>>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's
>>>>> claim that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to
>>>>> comment on it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> probably because they're smart enough to understand what I meant,
>>>> unlike your lot
>>>
>>> They probably didn't want to embarrass you.
>>>
>>
>> no, my explanation is the correct one. nice try tho
>>
>>
> It just goes on and on,

only because you want it to

> you're so convinced of your own righteousness that you're a total
> embarrassment.

i've explained what I meant far more than adequately, so if you can't
accept it, it's your problem,  not mine

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 3/03/2022 5:11 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a
>>>>>>>> troll
>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is
>>>>> way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing your
>>>> childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry laddie,
>>>> it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom built
>>>> units like this one.
>>>
>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>
>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>> compromises.
>>>
>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>
>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>> components would
>>
>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different purpose*.
>> It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now fulfils.
>>
>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth something
>>> but the rest would be e-waste.
>>
>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having been
>> *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste is the
>> case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are all now
>> ensconced in this; https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>
>
> nice! you could put a decent computer into that for playing solitaire!  :)
>
>
>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of which
>> I gave away to a friend.
>>>
>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life here
>>>> as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec P10
>>>> F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using a
>>>> Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880 that
>>>> it came with. How much is one of these on the used market Grumps?
>>>
>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>
>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it. I
>> was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits and
>> bobs.
>>>
>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half
>>>>> the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc
>>>>> and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any more) are
>>>>> minimal at best.
>>>>
>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you wouldn't
>>>> make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite literally
>>>> dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said it was big
>>>> after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how big. Too big
>>>> for my needs.
>>>
>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>
>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with cars,
>> old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a complete unit.
>>>
>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>
>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>
>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>>
>> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>>
>>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>>
>> It *is* of value - to me.
>>
>>> was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>>
>> Yes, he had no further use for it and, rather than binning it, sold it
>> cheap. Peter said as much in his response to another poster. I
>> understand that philosophy, it's why I gave away my older tower unit
>> to a person who couldn't afford even a token price. I wanted it to be
>> *used*, it is. I'm sure Peter just wanted his tower to be useful to
>> someone, it is, me!
>>
>
> you shot him down in flames! on every point. poor old keefy crashed and
> burnt (but not vaporised!). RIP you silly old sod.
>
>
ROTFL, you really are out of touch with reality.

On 3/03/2022 5:53 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 6:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 4:08 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 4:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:53:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> also water
>>>>>>>>>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah man!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in
>>>>>>>>>>> the tall
>>>>>>>>>>> grass I'll wager!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> *knew* :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>>>>>>>>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining
>>>>>>>>>>> apology, in
>>>>>>>>>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>>>>>>>>>> Get to it, boy!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run
>>>>>>>>>> better in
>>>>>>>>>> humid weather,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're
>>>>>>>>> long on
>>>>>>>>> rhetoric and short on fact
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence
>>>>>>>> makes it
>>>>>>>> a statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That makes sense.
>>>>>>> In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last
>>>>>>> said on a
>>>>>>> subject is the truth'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster
>>>>>>> obvious lie
>>>>>>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's
>>>>>> claim that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to
>>>>>> comment on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> probably because they're smart enough to understand what I meant,
>>>>> unlike your lot
>>>>
>>>> They probably didn't want to embarrass you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> no, my explanation is the correct one. nice try tho
>>>
>>>
>> It just goes on and on,
>
>
> only because you want it to
>
>
>> you're so convinced of your own righteousness that you're a total
>> embarrassment.
>
>
> i've explained what I meant far more than adequately, so if you can't
> accept it, it's your problem,  not mine

You've only explained your own stupidity and lack of basic knowledge.

On 3/03/2022 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 4:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 4:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 3:05 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of
>>>>>>>>>> a troll
>>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same
>>>>>>>>> ilk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits. MB built
>>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all
>>>>>>>> accessories
>>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the
>>>>>>>> tower
>>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same. And
>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially
>>>>>> custom built units like this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> duh! because commercial products may use cheap or inadequate
>>>> components or be made to last only a certain time.
>>>
>>> Only if you buy cheap shit
>>
>>
>> but if you build yourself you could build a better computer cheaper
>> than what you would pay for commercial 'cheap shit'
>
> Commercial entities can buy the parts much cheaper than you can,

but the cost of parts is only part of the final cost

> 10 years or more ago, building your own was a good way to go but the
> world has changed.

maybe so. I haven't made or shopped for a computer for many years

>
>>>>>>  Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>>> components would have little value these days, the power supply
>>>>> may be worth something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> have fun explaining then why old computer parts sell easily on
>>>> ebay, sometimes for more than their newer equivalents, video cards
>>>> being a prime example.
>>>
>>> that depends on the video card, if it is a recent powerful one then
>>> some impoverished gamer my bid for it.
>>
>>
>> it doesn't have to be recent or powerful. old video cards often sell
>> for $50 or $60, which low spec new cards can be bought for. a lot of
>> ppl want to keep their computers going if they can, rather than
>> having to replace them.
>
> They'll end up with unsupported non-upgradable insecure machines just
> waiting to become part of a bot net.

eventually. but until then..

>
>> it may come as huge shock to you to know that some ppl haven't worked
>> for NASA, or traveled to Japan, and don't have a lot of money to
>> throw around.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that you're too poor to travel,

I'm sorry to learn that you're so stupid you thought I said something I
never did

> perhaps you should have worked harder or been more talented, but,
> never mind, alvey has lots of money, perhaps he'll loan you some.
>
>>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using
>>>>>> a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner
>>>>> may be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking
>>>>> rapidly.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those
>>>>>>> any more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for
>>>>> you just don't believe that you have something of value, just
>>>>> think, there was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it was sold for a bargain price for a quick sale. ever heard of
>>>> that marketing philosophy?
>>>
>>> Marketing philosophy is to price something to the maximum that you
>>> can reasonably get, if these is little or no demand then you are
>>> forced to unload it at a bargain price.
>>>
>>
>> Oh dear, did I use the wrong word again?? I should have said
>> marketing strategy. silly me. It's a common practice for businesses
>> to sell items they want to be rid of at a bargain price, or below
>> cost, just to clear out stock. sometimes many items are sold this way
>> at the same time. when that happens it's usually called a 'Sale'. you
>> may have heard of the term.
>
> Exactly, when nobody wants it you have to either unload it at
> essentially zero cost or send it to landfill.
>

On 3/3/22 18:34, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a
>>>>>>>> troll
>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is
>>>>> way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing your
>>>> childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry laddie,
>>>> it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom built
>>>> units like this one.
>>>
>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>
>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>> compromises.
>>>
>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>
>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>> components would
>>
>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different purpose*.
>> It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now fulfils.
>
> The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and 2 TB
> of SSD storage,  a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus VGA, and a
> DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't fulfill. You
> don't need a monster tower these days.

Take note - I do not have a *monster tower*. I could have sworn I made
that clear in my previous post.
https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
My choice was limited by the mere fact that I wanted to accommodate the
1000W PSU and no glass panels. Everybody wants a see through computer
these days. Now that I decided to go with a 500W PSU, my case choices
would have been somewhat broader but this one is *quiet*. I like that.
>
> My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than your

My only laptop is an i5 as are both of my Mac Minis. Your point is?

> old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds, and
> works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen with a
> stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost less than $800.
>
> The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you are
> heavily into gaming or CGI.

I am into a lot of things. A laptop simply doesn't cut it.
>
>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth something
>>> but the rest would be e-waste.
>>
>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having been
>> *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste is the
>> case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are all now
>> ensconced in this;  https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of which
>> I gave away to a friend.
>
> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
> has a lot of value.

It has value to whomever has a use for it. That applies whether it is a
complete unit or a heap of bits.
>
>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life here
>>>> as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec P10
>>>> F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using a
>>>> Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880 that
>>>> it came with. How much is one of these on the used market Grumps?
>>>
>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>
>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it. I
>> was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits and
>> bobs.
>
> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
> has a lot of value.

It only has to have sufficient value to cover my outlay. It does.
>
>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half
>>>>> the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc
>>>>> and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any more) are
>>>>> minimal at best.
>>>>
>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you wouldn't
>>>> make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite literally
>>>> dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said it was big
>>>> after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how big. Too big
>>>> for my needs.
>>>
>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>
>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with cars,
>> old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a complete unit.
>
> Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.

Heard of EBay? Local online marketplaces? Facebook marketplace?
>
>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>
>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>
>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>>
>> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>>
>>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>>
>> It *is* of value - to me.
>
> As I have said, that is fine, but don't believe that it has an
> appreciable monetary value.

The only one harping on about market value is you.
>
>>> was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>>
>> Yes, he had no further use for it and, rather than binning it, sold it
>> cheap. Peter said as much in his response to another poster. I
>> understand that philosophy, it's why I gave away my older tower unit
>> to a person who couldn't afford even a token price. I wanted it to be
>> *used*, it is. I'm sure Peter just wanted his tower to be useful to
>> someone, it is, me!
>
> If it had an appreciable monetary value then binning it would not have
> been on the cards.
>
I suspect Peter didn't want to be bothered with the *process* of sale.
He made that much clear on his original posts on the topic.

On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 3:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 4:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 2:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 5:36 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and
>>>>>>>> combustion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you call Jonz a "Village idiot", he's an intellectual giant
>>>>>>> compared to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If water burns, why do the fire brigade pour it on burning
>>>>>>> buildings? It is because it's cheaper than petrol and they can
>>>>>>> dance around the fire as the water burns up chanting "Burn baby
>>>>>>> burn"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway the next bit may be hard for you as it contains science,
>>>>>>> I'll type it slowly, you can stick your tongue out if it helps
>>>>>>> you to concentrate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most substances (not all but including water) have 3 states,
>>>>>>> solid, liquid, and gaseous, with water these are called ice,
>>>>>>> water, and water vapour. Transitioning between these states
>>>>>>> involves latent energy, e.g. going from liquid to gaseous,
>>>>>>> (latent) heat of vaporization or heat of evaporation, is the
>>>>>>> amount of energy (enthalpy) that must be added to a liquid
>>>>>>> substance to transform a quantity of that substance into a gas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So when water is converted into vapor in the induction system of
>>>>>>> an IC engine it absorbs energy cooling the mixture and
>>>>>>> preventing pre-detonation (Knocking). This allows a higher
>>>>>>> compression ratio or a higher level of boost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus water is evaporated not burnt, AFAIK, the only way that
>>>>>>> water would be "Burnt" would be in a thermo-nuclear reaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus endeth the lesson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> duh! you really are a pretentious conceited asshole, arn't you.
>>>>>> (rhetorical question). of course it's evaporated. that's what I
>>>>>> meant by simply saying it's 'burnt'. it cannot remain in it's
>>>>>> liquid state. noddy can't see beyond the end of his nose, and you
>>>>>> can't see beyond your ego.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Burnt and evaporated are completely different things. You're
>>>>> backing up faster than an Italian tank, and trying to blame others
>>>>> for your fuckup. You were given adequate chance to change your
>>>>> story but doubled down on it - so take it like a man and admit
>>>>> that you didn't know what you were talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> by saying 'burnt' I meant it changes to a gaseous state by the
>>>> intense heat. that's exctly what I meant. being pedantic about my
>>>> choice of words won't cut it for you. shirly you can't really
>>>> believe I thought water is a flammable liquid? or are you really
>>>> that stupid? but maybe you are because you thought it was necessary
>>>> to explain the three states that water can exist in above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nothing pedantic about it, if something can be burnt, then it is
>>> inflammable.
>>
>>
>> and you noddy and deryl were the only ppl stupid enough to think I
>> believed water was flammable. (grubby and the village idiot were
>> probably too busy trying to tie their shoelaces to post)
>>
>>
>>> The words burnt and evaporated have completely different meanings,
>>> and burnt does not mean converted to a gaseous state.
>>
>>
>> it was what I meant by it
>
> Then why didn't you say so?

poor choice of words.

> You can squirm as much as you like,

i'm not squirming. as usual your ego is your problem. you think because
you're trying to make me squirm, it must be happening

> but you showed a total lack of knowledge about basic physical processes.
>
>>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014
>>>
>>> burn (bɜrn)
>>>
>>> v. burned burnt, burn•ing, v.i.
>>> 1. to consume fuel and give off heat, gases, and usu. light; be on
>>> fire.
>>> 2.
>>>   a. to undergo combustion; oxidize.
>>>   b. to undergo fission or fusion.
>>>
>>> I explained it at length because you didn't seem to have a clue
>>> about it, and needed some education. You may notice that something
>>> burnt has given off heat whereas something evaporated has absorbed
>>> heat, that is a major distinction. Maybe science just isn't your thing.
>>
>>
>> maybe not being a pompas ass just isn't your thing
>
> Maybe
>

yes, I think so

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 3/03/2022 6:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 5:11 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of
>>>>>>>>> a troll
>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built
>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And
>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom
>>>>> built units like this one.
>>>>
>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>
>>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>>> compromises.
>>>>
>>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>
>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>> components would
>>>
>>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different
>>> purpose*. It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now
>>> fulfils.
>>>
>>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth
>>>> something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>
>>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having
>>> been *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste
>>> is the case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are
>>> all now ensconced in this; https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>
>>
>> nice! you could put a decent computer into that for playing
>> solitaire!  :)
>>
>>
>>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of
>>> which I gave away to a friend.
>>>>
>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using
>>>>> a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>
>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>>
>>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it.
>>> I was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits
>>> and bobs.
>>>>
>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any
>>>>>> more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>
>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>
>>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with
>>> cars, old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a
>>> complete unit.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>>
>>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>>>
>>> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>>>
>>>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>>>
>>> It *is* of value - to me.
>>>
>>>> was a reason that it was given away rather than sold.
>>>>
>>> Yes, he had no further use for it and, rather than binning it, sold
>>> it cheap. Peter said as much in his response to another poster. I
>>> understand that philosophy, it's why I gave away my older tower unit
>>> to a person who couldn't afford even a token price. I wanted it to
>>> be *used*, it is. I'm sure Peter just wanted his tower to be useful
>>> to someone, it is, me!
>>>
>>
>> you shot him down in flames! on every point. poor old keefy crashed
>> and burnt (but not vaporised!). RIP you silly old sod.
>>
>>
> ROTFL, you really are out of touch with reality.

no, that's noddy you're thinking of

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"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 14:35:57 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:53:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>>>>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah man!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in the tall
>>>>>> grass I'll wager!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you
>>>>> *knew* :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>>>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
>>>>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>>>>> Get to it, boy!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>>>>
>>>>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
>>>>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
>>>>> humid weather,
>>>>
>>>> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're long on
>>>> rhetoric and short on fact
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence makes it
>>> a statement.
>>
>> That makes sense.
>> In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last said on a
>> subject is the truth'.
>>
>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster obvious lie
>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>
> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's claim
> that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to comment on it.

Ashley, the most insightful thing here is your total lack of insight.

hth

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On 3/03/2022 7:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 3/3/22 18:34, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of
>>>>>>>>> a troll
>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built
>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And
>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom
>>>>> built units like this one.
>>>>
>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>
>>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>>> compromises.
>>>>
>>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>
>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>> components would
>>>
>>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different
>>> purpose*. It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now
>>> fulfils.
>>
>> The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and 2
>> TB of SSD storage,  a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus VGA,
>> and a DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't fulfill.
>> You don't need a monster tower these days.
>
> Take note - I do not have a *monster tower*. I could have sworn I made
> that clear in my previous post.

poor old keefy's brain gets a bit fuddled these days, you know

> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
> My choice was limited by the mere fact that I wanted to accommodate
> the 1000W PSU and no glass panels. Everybody wants a see through
> computer these days. Now that I decided to go with a 500W PSU, my case
> choices would have been somewhat broader but this one is *quiet*. I
> like that.
>>
>> My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than your
>
> My only laptop is an i5 as are both of my Mac Minis. Your point is?

not to worry, he's only trying to big note himself as usual

>
>
>> old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds,
>> and works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen with
>> a stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost less than
>> $800.
>>
>> The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you
>> are heavily into gaming or CGI.
>
> I am into a lot of things. A laptop simply doesn't cut it.

I have one but I dislike them. too difficult to type on, being just one
reason

>
>>
>>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth
>>>> something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>
>>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having
>>> been *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste
>>> is the case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are
>>> all now ensconced in this; https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of
>>> which I gave away to a friend.
>>
>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
>> has a lot of value.
>
> It has value to whomever has a use for it. That applies whether it is
> a complete unit or a heap of bits.
>>
>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using
>>>>> a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>
>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>>
>>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it.
>>> I was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits
>>> and bobs.
>>
>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
>> has a lot of value.
>
> It only has to have sufficient value to cover my outlay. It does.
>>
>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any
>>>>>> more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>
>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>
>>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with
>>> cars, old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a
>>> complete unit.
>>
>> Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.
>
> Heard of EBay? Local online marketplaces? Facebook marketplace?

online shopping is a big thing these days keefy. apparently you haven't
noticed

>>
>>>>>>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinion has been enhanced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't
>>>>> worth 2 knobs of goat shit.
>>>>
>>>> That's because you're out of touch, keep the thing if it works for you
>>>
>>> It does work for me, that's why I bought it.
>>>
>>>> just don't believe that you have something of value, just think, there
>>>
>>> It *is* of value - to me.
>>
>> As I have said, that is fine, but don't believe that it has an
>> appreciable monetary value.
>
> The only one harping on about market value is you.

On 3/03/2022 3:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:

>>
>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster obvious lie
>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>
> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's claim
> that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to comment on it.

Don't worry. They picked up. They just chose to ignore it as they always
do :)

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On 3/03/2022 4:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 3:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's claim
>>> that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to comment on it.
>>>
>>
>> probably because they're smart enough to understand what I meant,
>> unlike your lot
>
> They probably didn't want to embarrass you.

And in doing so made themselves look like complete morons with their
complicit silence. You're either attacking someone for being wrong, or
supporting them for remaining quiet.

Isn't that what they always say? :)

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On 3/3/22 19:19, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 7:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/22 18:34, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of
>>>>>>>>>> a troll
>>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built
>>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And
>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom
>>>>>> built units like this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>>
>>>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>>>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>>>> compromises.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>>> components would
>>>>
>>>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different
>>>> purpose*. It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now
>>>> fulfils.
>>>
>>> The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and 2
>>> TB of SSD storage,  a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus VGA,
>>> and a DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't fulfill.
>>> You don't need a monster tower these days.
>>
>> Take note - I do not have a *monster tower*. I could have sworn I made
>> that clear in my previous post.
>
>
> poor old keefy's brain gets a bit fuddled these days, you know
>
>
>> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>> My choice was limited by the mere fact that I wanted to accommodate
>> the 1000W PSU and no glass panels. Everybody wants a see through
>> computer these days. Now that I decided to go with a 500W PSU, my case
>> choices would have been somewhat broader but this one is *quiet*. I
>> like that.
>>>
>>> My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than your
>>
>> My only laptop is an i5 as are both of my Mac Minis. Your point is?
>
>
> not to worry, he's only trying to big note himself as usual
>
>
>>
>>
>>> old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds,
>>> and works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen with
>>> a stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost less than
>>> $800.
>>>
>>> The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you
>>> are heavily into gaming or CGI.
>>
>> I am into a lot of things. A laptop simply doesn't cut it.
>
>
> I have one but I dislike them. too difficult to type on, being just one
> reason

I detest the touchpad with a passion. My laptop bag always has an Apple
mouse ensconced within. I have a couple of *small* KBs as well but I
don't transport those.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth
>>>>> something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having
>>>> been *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as waste
>>>> is the case as I have no need for such a large unit. The gubbins are
>>>> all now ensconced in this; https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of
>>>> which I gave away to a friend.
>>>
>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
>>> has a lot of value.
>>
>> It has value to whomever has a use for it. That applies whether it is
>> a complete unit or a heap of bits.
>>>
>>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using
>>>>>> a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner may
>>>>> be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking rapidly.
>>>>
>>>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it.
>>>> I was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits
>>>> and bobs.
>>>
>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that it
>>> has a lot of value.
>>
>> It only has to have sufficient value to cover my outlay. It does.
>>>
>>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those any
>>>>>>> more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>>
>>>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with
>>>> cars, old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a
>>>> complete unit.
>>>
>>> Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.
>>
>> Heard of EBay? Local online marketplaces? Facebook marketplace?
>
>
> online shopping is a big thing these days keefy. apparently you haven't
> noticed

On 3/03/2022 2:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 4:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 3:05 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a
>>>>>>>>> troll
>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits. MB built in,
>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same. And it was
>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is
>>>>>> way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom
>>>>> built units like this one.
>>>>
>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>
>>>
>>> duh! because commercial products may use cheap or inadequate
>>> components or be made to last only a certain time.
>>
>> Only if you buy cheap shit
>
>
> but if you build yourself you could build a better computer cheaper than
> what you would pay for commercial 'cheap shit'
>
>
>>
>>>>>  Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess of
>>>>> the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>
>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>> components would have little value these days, the power supply may
>>>> be worth something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>
>>>
>>> have fun explaining then why old computer parts sell easily on ebay,
>>> sometimes for more than their newer equivalents, video cards being a
>>> prime example.
>>
>> that depends on the video card, if it is a recent powerful one then
>> some impoverished gamer my bid for it.
>
>
> it doesn't have to be recent or powerful. old video cards often sell for
> $50 or $60, which low spec new cards can be bought for. a lot of ppl
> want to keep their computers going if they can, rather than having to
> replace them. it may come as huge shock to you to know that some ppl
> haven't worked for NASA, or traveled to Japan, and don't have a lot of
> money to throw around.
>

Some people are willing to throw cash around like confetti and buying
old Voodoo cards for at least $200. I know I'm cashing in :-)

On 3/03/2022 6:09 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 3:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 4:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 2:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 5:36 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and
>>>>>>>>> combustion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you call Jonz a "Village idiot", he's an intellectual giant
>>>>>>>> compared to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If water burns, why do the fire brigade pour it on burning
>>>>>>>> buildings? It is because it's cheaper than petrol and they can
>>>>>>>> dance around the fire as the water burns up chanting "Burn baby
>>>>>>>> burn"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway the next bit may be hard for you as it contains science,
>>>>>>>> I'll type it slowly, you can stick your tongue out if it helps
>>>>>>>> you to concentrate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most substances (not all but including water) have 3 states,
>>>>>>>> solid, liquid, and gaseous, with water these are called ice,
>>>>>>>> water, and water vapour. Transitioning between these states
>>>>>>>> involves latent energy, e.g. going from liquid to gaseous,
>>>>>>>> (latent) heat of vaporization or heat of evaporation, is the
>>>>>>>> amount of energy (enthalpy) that must be added to a liquid
>>>>>>>> substance to transform a quantity of that substance into a gas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So when water is converted into vapor in the induction system of
>>>>>>>> an IC engine it absorbs energy cooling the mixture and
>>>>>>>> preventing pre-detonation (Knocking). This allows a higher
>>>>>>>> compression ratio or a higher level of boost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus water is evaporated not burnt, AFAIK, the only way that
>>>>>>>> water would be "Burnt" would be in a thermo-nuclear reaction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus endeth the lesson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> duh! you really are a pretentious conceited asshole, arn't you.
>>>>>>> (rhetorical question). of course it's evaporated. that's what I
>>>>>>> meant by simply saying it's 'burnt'. it cannot remain in it's
>>>>>>> liquid state. noddy can't see beyond the end of his nose, and you
>>>>>>> can't see beyond your ego.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Burnt and evaporated are completely different things. You're
>>>>>> backing up faster than an Italian tank, and trying to blame others
>>>>>> for your fuckup. You were given adequate chance to change your
>>>>>> story but doubled down on it - so take it like a man and admit
>>>>>> that you didn't know what you were talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> by saying 'burnt' I meant it changes to a gaseous state by the
>>>>> intense heat. that's exctly what I meant. being pedantic about my
>>>>> choice of words won't cut it for you. shirly you can't really
>>>>> believe I thought water is a flammable liquid? or are you really
>>>>> that stupid? but maybe you are because you thought it was necessary
>>>>> to explain the three states that water can exist in above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Nothing pedantic about it, if something can be burnt, then it is
>>>> inflammable.
>>>
>>>
>>> and you noddy and deryl were the only ppl stupid enough to think I
>>> believed water was flammable. (grubby and the village idiot were
>>> probably too busy trying to tie their shoelaces to post)
>>>
>>>
>>>> The words burnt and evaporated have completely different meanings,
>>>> and burnt does not mean converted to a gaseous state.
>>>
>>>
>>> it was what I meant by it
>>
>> Then why didn't you say so?
>
>
> poor choice of words.
>
>
>> You can squirm as much as you like,
>
>
> i'm not squirming. as usual your ego is your problem. you think because
> you're trying to make me squirm, it must be happening
>
>
>> but you showed a total lack of knowledge about basic physical processes.
>>
>>>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014
>>>>
>>>> burn (bɜrn)
>>>>
>>>> v. burned burnt, burn•ing, v.i.
>>>> 1. to consume fuel and give off heat, gases, and usu. light; be on
>>>> fire.
>>>> 2.
>>>>   a. to undergo combustion; oxidize.
>>>>   b. to undergo fission or fusion.
>>>>
>>>> I explained it at length because you didn't seem to have a clue
>>>> about it, and needed some education. You may notice that something
>>>> burnt has given off heat whereas something evaporated has absorbed
>>>> heat, that is a major distinction. Maybe science just isn't your thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe not being a pompas ass just isn't your thing
>>
>> Maybe being a scientific simpleton is yours.
>>
>
> yes, I think so
>
>
Selective snipping is reckoned to be about as low as you can go on Usenet.

On 3/03/2022 12:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:53:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>>>>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah man!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in the
>>>>>> tall
>>>>>> grass I'll wager!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you
>>>>> *knew* :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>>>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
>>>>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>>>>> Get to it, boy!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>>>>
>>>>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
>>>>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
>>>>> humid weather,
>>>>
>>>> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're long on
>>>> rhetoric and short on fact
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence makes it
>>> a statement.
>>
>> That makes sense.
>> In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last said
>> on a
>> subject is the truth'.
>>
>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster obvious lie
>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>
> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's claim
> that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to comment on it.
>

It's clear what he meant so meh, who cares. You're choosing to ignore
blatant lies which goes to the heart of your credibility, specifically
your lack thereof.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 3/3/22 19:19, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 7:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 3/3/22 18:34, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of
>>>>>>>>>>> a troll
>>>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same
>>>>>>>>>> ilk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB
>>>>>>>>> built in,
>>>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all
>>>>>>>>> accessories
>>>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the
>>>>>>>>> tower
>>>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And
>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially
>>>>>>> custom built units like this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for the
>>>>> task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have multiple
>>>>> compromises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>>>> components would
>>>>>
>>>>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different
>>>>> purpose*. It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now
>>>>> fulfils.
>>>>
>>>> The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and
>>>> 2 TB of SSD storage,  a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus
>>>> VGA, and a DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't
>>>> fulfill. You don't need a monster tower these days.
>>>
>>> Take note - I do not have a *monster tower*. I could have sworn I
>>> made that clear in my previous post.
>>
>>
>> poor old keefy's brain gets a bit fuddled these days, you know
>>
>>
>>> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>> My choice was limited by the mere fact that I wanted to accommodate
>>> the 1000W PSU and no glass panels. Everybody wants a see through
>>> computer these days. Now that I decided to go with a 500W PSU, my
>>> case choices would have been somewhat broader but this one is
>>> *quiet*. I like that.
>>>>
>>>> My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than
>>>> your
>>>
>>> My only laptop is an i5 as are both of my Mac Minis. Your point is?
>>
>>
>> not to worry, he's only trying to big note himself as usual
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds,
>>>> and works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen
>>>> with a stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost less
>>>> than $800.
>>>>
>>>> The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you
>>>> are heavily into gaming or CGI.
>>>
>>> I am into a lot of things. A laptop simply doesn't cut it.
>>
>>
>> I have one but I dislike them. too difficult to type on, being just
>> one reason
>
> I detest the touchpad with a passion. My laptop bag always has an Apple
> mouse ensconced within. I have a couple of *small* KBs as well but I
> don't transport those.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth
>>>>>> something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having
>>>>> been *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as
>>>>> waste is the case as I have no need for such a large unit. The
>>>>> gubbins are all now ensconced in this;
>>>>> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>>>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of
>>>>> which I gave away to a friend.
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that
>>>> it has a lot of value.
>>>
>>> It has value to whomever has a use for it. That applies whether it is
>>> a complete unit or a heap of bits.
>>>>
>>>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into. Using
>>>>>>> a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner
>>>>>> may be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking
>>>>>> rapidly.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for it.
>>>>> I was merely making a point concerning the value of individual bits
>>>>> and bobs.
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that
>>>> it has a lot of value.
>>>
>>> It only has to have sufficient value to cover my outlay. It does.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those
>>>>>>>> any more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with
>>>>> cars, old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a
>>>>> complete unit.
>>>>
>>>> Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.
>>>
>>> Heard of EBay? Local online marketplaces? Facebook marketplace?
>>
>>
>> online shopping is a big thing these days keefy. apparently you
>> haven't noticed
>
> It would seem so. Lots of ads for the Core i7 970 at around the $100
> mark. So my point is made.

On 3/03/2022 8:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 6:09 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 3:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/03/2022 4:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 3/03/2022 2:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/03/2022 3:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 5:36 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and
>>>>>>>>>> combustion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you call Jonz a "Village idiot", he's an intellectual
>>>>>>>>> giant compared to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If water burns, why do the fire brigade pour it on burning
>>>>>>>>> buildings? It is because it's cheaper than petrol and they can
>>>>>>>>> dance around the fire as the water burns up chanting "Burn
>>>>>>>>> baby burn"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway the next bit may be hard for you as it contains
>>>>>>>>> science, I'll type it slowly, you can stick your tongue out if
>>>>>>>>> it helps you to concentrate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most substances (not all but including water) have 3 states,
>>>>>>>>> solid, liquid, and gaseous, with water these are called ice,
>>>>>>>>> water, and water vapour. Transitioning between these states
>>>>>>>>> involves latent energy, e.g. going from liquid to gaseous,
>>>>>>>>> (latent) heat of vaporization or heat of evaporation, is the
>>>>>>>>> amount of energy (enthalpy) that must be added to a liquid
>>>>>>>>> substance to transform a quantity of that substance into a gas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So when water is converted into vapor in the induction system
>>>>>>>>> of an IC engine it absorbs energy cooling the mixture and
>>>>>>>>> preventing pre-detonation (Knocking). This allows a higher
>>>>>>>>> compression ratio or a higher level of boost.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thus water is evaporated not burnt, AFAIK, the only way that
>>>>>>>>> water would be "Burnt" would be in a thermo-nuclear reaction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thus endeth the lesson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> duh! you really are a pretentious conceited asshole, arn't you.
>>>>>>>> (rhetorical question). of course it's evaporated. that's what I
>>>>>>>> meant by simply saying it's 'burnt'. it cannot remain in it's
>>>>>>>> liquid state. noddy can't see beyond the end of his nose, and
>>>>>>>> you can't see beyond your ego.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Burnt and evaporated are completely different things. You're
>>>>>>> backing up faster than an Italian tank, and trying to blame
>>>>>>> others for your fuckup. You were given adequate chance to change
>>>>>>> your story but doubled down on it - so take it like a man and
>>>>>>> admit that you didn't know what you were talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by saying 'burnt' I meant it changes to a gaseous state by the
>>>>>> intense heat. that's exctly what I meant. being pedantic about my
>>>>>> choice of words won't cut it for you. shirly you can't really
>>>>>> believe I thought water is a flammable liquid? or are you really
>>>>>> that stupid? but maybe you are because you thought it was
>>>>>> necessary to explain the three states that water can exist in above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing pedantic about it, if something can be burnt, then it is
>>>>> inflammable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and you noddy and deryl were the only ppl stupid enough to think I
>>>> believed water was flammable. (grubby and the village idiot were
>>>> probably too busy trying to tie their shoelaces to post)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The words burnt and evaporated have completely different meanings,
>>>>> and burnt does not mean converted to a gaseous state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it was what I meant by it
>>>
>>> Then why didn't you say so?
>>
>>
>> poor choice of words.
>>
>>
>>> You can squirm as much as you like,
>>
>>
>> i'm not squirming. as usual your ego is your problem. you think
>> because you're trying to make me squirm, it must be happening
>>
>>
>>> but you showed a total lack of knowledge about basic physical
>>> processes.
>>>
>>>>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition
>>>>> 2014
>>>>>
>>>>> burn (bɜrn)
>>>>>
>>>>> v. burned burnt, burn•ing, v.i.
>>>>> 1. to consume fuel and give off heat, gases, and usu. light; be on
>>>>> fire.
>>>>> 2.
>>>>>   a. to undergo combustion; oxidize.
>>>>>   b. to undergo fission or fusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I explained it at length because you didn't seem to have a clue
>>>>> about it, and needed some education. You may notice that something
>>>>> burnt has given off heat whereas something evaporated has absorbed
>>>>> heat, that is a major distinction. Maybe science just isn't your
>>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> maybe not being a pompas ass just isn't your thing
>>>
>>> Maybe being a scientific simpleton is yours.
>>
>> yes, I think so
>>
>>
> Selective snipping is reckoned to be about as low as you can go on
> Usenet.

which is why you just did it I guess. your rather low..

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 3/03/2022 8:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/22 19:19, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> online shopping is a big thing these days keefy. apparently you
>>> haven't noticed
>>
>> It would seem so. Lots of ads for the Core i7 970 at around the $100
>> mark. So my point is made.
>
> Some ads mostly from China, but how many buyers?
>

keefy posts a whole page of text to add just nine words. sheesh!

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 3/3/22 20:49, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 6:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/3/22 19:19, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 3/03/2022 7:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 3/3/22 18:34, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 3/03/2022 4:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 3:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 11:31 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>>>>>>>>>> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort
>>>>>>>>>>>> of a troll
>>>>>>>>>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive
>>>>>>>>>>>> heart of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same
>>>>>>>>>>> ilk.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced
>>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB
>>>>>>>>>> built in,
>>>>>>>>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all
>>>>>>>>>> accessories
>>>>>>>>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>>>>>>>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the
>>>>>>>>>> tower
>>>>>>>>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.
>>>>>>>>>> And it was
>>>>>>>>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that
>>>>>>>>> is way past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing
>>>>>>>> your childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry
>>>>>>>> laddie, it doesn't work that way with computers, especially
>>>>>>>> custom built units like this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would a custom built unit be any more reliable than any other?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because you can pick and choose the best quality components for
>>>>>> the task rather than purchasing an OTS package that may have
>>>>>> multiple compromises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
>>>>>>>> of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the world has moved on, the vast majority of users want a
>>>>>>> laptop these days. The age of the machine would mean that the
>>>>>>> components would
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one of those. The laptop serves a *totally different
>>>>>> purpose*. It cannot possibly satisfy the needs that this i7 now
>>>>>> fulfils.
>>>>>
>>>>> The laptop on which I am writing this has an I7, 16 gigs of RAM and
>>>>> 2 TB of SSD storage,  a bundle of USB ports, HDMI video out plus
>>>>> VGA, and a DVD reader/writer.there aren't many need that it can't
>>>>> fulfill. You don't need a monster tower these days.
>>>>
>>>> Take note - I do not have a *monster tower*. I could have sworn I
>>>> made that clear in my previous post.
>>>
>>>
>>> poor old keefy's brain gets a bit fuddled these days, you know
>>>
>>>
>>>> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>>> My choice was limited by the mere fact that I wanted to accommodate
>>>> the 1000W PSU and no glass panels. Everybody wants a see through
>>>> computer these days. Now that I decided to go with a 500W PSU, my
>>>> case choices would have been somewhat broader but this one is
>>>> *quiet*. I like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> My other laptop only has an I5 but it's probably more powerful than
>>>>> your
>>>>
>>>> My only laptop is an i5 as are both of my Mac Minis. Your point is?
>>>
>>>
>>> not to worry, he's only trying to big note himself as usual
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> old I7, it can compile a 500 line C program in less than 2 seconds,
>>>>> and works really well doing photo editing (it has a touch screen
>>>>> with a stylus which makes tricky editing a breeze), and it cost
>>>>> less than $800.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only need for anything other than a laptop these days is if you
>>>>> are heavily into gaming or CGI.
>>>>
>>>> I am into a lot of things. A laptop simply doesn't cut it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have one but I dislike them. too difficult to type on, being just
>>> one reason
>>
>> I detest the touchpad with a passion. My laptop bag always has an
>> Apple mouse ensconced within. I have a couple of *small* KBs as well
>> but I don't transport those.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> have little value these days, the power supply may be worth
>>>>>>> something but the rest would be e-waste.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't you read what I wrote? The computer is back in use having
>>>>>> been *repurposed*. The only thing in it that *might* end up as
>>>>>> waste is the case as I have no need for such a large unit. The
>>>>>> gubbins are all now ensconced in this;
>>>>>> https://www.antec.com/product/case/p10-flux
>>>>>> It replaced 2 other computers that were of ~2005 vintage, one of
>>>>>> which I gave away to a friend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that
>>>>> it has a lot of value.
>>>>
>>>> It has value to whomever has a use for it. That applies whether it
>>>> is a complete unit or a heap of bits.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That won't happen however and it now has a *new* lease of life
>>>>>>>> here as a very fast Linux workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec
>>>>>>>> P10 F-LUX midi tower case to transfer all the gubbins into.
>>>>>>>> Using a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of the
>>>>>>>> http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880
>>>>>>>> that it came with. How much is one of these on the used market
>>>>>>>> Grumps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably a lot less than you think. Some gamer or bitcoin miner
>>>>>>> may be interested, but the market for these thing is shrinking
>>>>>>> rapidly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See above, it doesn't matter to me one whit. *I* have a use for
>>>>>> it. I was merely making a point concerning the value of individual
>>>>>> bits and bobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, if it works for you then fine, but don't believe that
>>>>> it has a lot of value.
>>>>
>>>> It only has to have sufficient value to cover my outlay. It does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word
>>>>>>>>> processing or media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about
>>>>>>>>> half the size of a tower so your space savings when you add in
>>>>>>>>> the nuc and 10 port usb hub and optical drive (who uses those
>>>>>>>>> any more) are minimal at best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you
>>>>>>>> wouldn't make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite
>>>>>>>> literally dwarfed my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said
>>>>>>>> it was big after he had picked it up, I just didn't realise how
>>>>>>>> big. Too big for my needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That makes it even less saleable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a *unit*. I mentioned saleability of individual bits. As with
>>>>>> cars, old computers are often worth more sold as parts than as a
>>>>>> complete unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so much these days, back when computer fairs were popular maybe.
>>>>
>>>> Heard of EBay? Local online marketplaces? Facebook marketplace?
>>>
>>>
>>> online shopping is a big thing these days keefy. apparently you
>>> haven't noticed
>>
>> It would seem so. Lots of ads for the Core i7 970 at around the $100
>> mark. So my point is made.
>
> Some ads mostly from China, but how many buyers?
>
The fact that the ads exist tells you there is likely a market for them.

On 3/03/2022 7:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 3/03/2022 12:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 2/03/2022 3:56 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:53:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also
>>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah man!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in the
>>>>>>> tall
>>>>>>> grass I'll wager!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you
>>>>>> *knew* :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>>>>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
>>>>>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>>>>>> Get to it, boy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
>>>>>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
>>>>>> humid weather,
>>>>>
>>>>> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're long on
>>>>> rhetoric and short on fact
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence
>>>> makes it
>>>> a statement.
>>>
>>> That makes sense.
>>> In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last
>>> said on a
>>> subject is the truth'.
>>>
>>> It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster obvious
>>> lie
>>> and/or decided not to comment on it.
>>
>> It's insightful that none of your mob didn't pick up on felix's claim
>> that water is burnt in an IC engine and/or decided not to comment on it.
>>
>
> It's clear what he meant so meh, who cares. You're choosing to ignore
> blatant lies which goes to the heart of your credibility, specifically
> your lack thereof.
>
>
Well there are two possibilities here, either you are covering for your
little mates ignorance or you are as ignorant as he is. I hope that it
is the former as I would expect better from someone who is a qualified
and licenced mechanic and one of Australia's leading antique computer
dealers.

On 3/03/2022 9:18 pm, Xeno wrote:

>> Some ads mostly from China, but how many buyers?
>>
> The fact that the ads exist tells you there is likely a market for them.

Not necessarily, it only costs on eBay if you actually sell the product.

On 3/03/2022 9:11 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> Selective snipping is reckoned to be about as low as you can go on
>> Usenet.
>
>
> which is why you just did it I guess. your rather low..

Nope, I just restored the original reversing your vandalism.