On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>
>>
>>
>
> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
> wood, and use a bolt.
>
> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
> was easy to remove.
>
> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>
> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.

The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>
>> OK.
>>>
>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>
>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>
>>
>>
>
>The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>wood, and use a bolt.
>
>The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>was easy to remove.
>
>The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>
>It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.
>
>Sylvia.

I did this to spread the load over old wood...
https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD

On 5/4/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/4/2022 5:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Apr-22 5:24 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2022 4:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 04-Apr-22 3:27 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7wjxyyigpfuw9sr/T_garagedoor2.jpg?dl=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One screw has fully pulled out. The other, as shown, has partial
>>>>>> pulled out and bent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The door is jammed in a skewed position and the door opener gives
>>>>>> up almost immediately. If I release the door opener, I can't move
>>>>>> the door either. The spring is still under tension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already considered the option of letting someone else deal
>>>>>> with it, and it may come to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, I surrounded the failed side with wheelie bins part
>>>>> filled with water to catch anything that might fly out of that area
>>>>> in the event of a sudden failure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then constructed a much over-engineered jig that let me release
>>>>> the tension in the spring on the other side.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was then able to remove bracket from that side, so that the door
>>>>> was no longer being forced to try to pivot about two different
>>>>> axes. This in turn gave me enough play to move the door from the
>>>>> outside where I was shielded from anything the spring might to, to
>>>>> the point where the bent screw on the failed side snapped, and
>>>>> released the tension in that spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the time taken for this was because I had to visit two
>>>>> Bunnings and a Mitre Ten to get the things I needed. Who'd have
>>>>> thought that getting an M10 eye bolt would be so difficult?
>>>>> Apparently there are supply chain issues affecting even such
>>>>> mundane parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I have to do now is drill some holes and put it all back
>>>>> together - a task for tomorrow, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>
>> OK.
>>>
>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>
>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>
>>
>>
>
> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
> wood, and use a bolt.
>
> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
> was easy to remove.
>
> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>
> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.
>

Looks to be very old so like most things it fatigues over time with
repeated use.
Its also possible that over time it had become loose and the extra
flexing made the problem worse.

--
Daryl

On 5/4/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>
>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>> was easy to remove.
>>
>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>
>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.
>
> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
> plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
> like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
> demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>
>
>
>
Agree, over time the timber post has compressed causing the bracket to
become lose and the whole thing would have been moving/flexing so it was
bound to fail.
Need to check the other side as well and make sure its secure and tight
and once its all fixed it needs to be checked for tightness regularly.

--
Daryl

On 5/04/2022 11:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 5/4/2022 5:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 05-Apr-22 5:24 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 5/4/2022 4:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 04-Apr-22 3:27 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7wjxyyigpfuw9sr/T_garagedoor2.jpg?dl=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One screw has fully pulled out. The other, as shown, has partial
>>>>>>> pulled out and bent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The door is jammed in a skewed position and the door opener
>>>>>>> gives up almost immediately. If I release the door opener, I
>>>>>>> can't move the door either. The spring is still under tension.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have already considered the option of letting someone else
>>>>>>> deal with it, and it may come to that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, I surrounded the failed side with wheelie bins part
>>>>>> filled with water to catch anything that might fly out of that
>>>>>> area in the event of a sudden failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I then constructed a much over-engineered jig that let me release
>>>>>> the tension in the spring on the other side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was then able to remove bracket from that side, so that the
>>>>>> door was no longer being forced to try to pivot about two
>>>>>> different axes. This in turn gave me enough play to move the door
>>>>>> from the outside where I was shielded from anything the spring
>>>>>> might to, to the point where the bent screw on the failed side
>>>>>> snapped, and released the tension in that spring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the time taken for this was because I had to visit two
>>>>>> Bunnings and a Mitre Ten to get the things I needed. Who'd have
>>>>>> thought that getting an M10 eye bolt would be so difficult?
>>>>>> Apparently there are supply chain issues affecting even such
>>>>>> mundane parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I have to do now is drill some holes and put it all back
>>>>>> together - a task for tomorrow, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>
>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>
>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>> was easy to remove.
>>
>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>
>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>> place.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Actually, cyclical vertical loading on a coach screw into wood is
> definitely not ideal.

that was my first thought too. garage door mounting bracket on wood with
coach screws!?? should have had bolts thu to the other side

> That bracket should have only placed shear loading onto that coach
> screw. That is what they are designed for  In that installation, that
> bracket should have had coach bolts or similar from the beginning. The
> threads on a bolt a perfect for that kind of cyclical loading. Your
> idea to replace the screw with a bolt is definitely the go here.
>

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On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>
>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>> was easy to remove.
>>
>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>
>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>> place.
>
> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
> plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
> like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
> demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>
>
>
>

wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..

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On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>
>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>> OK.
>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>
>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>> was easy to remove.
>>
>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>
>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD

that's a LOT of coach screws..

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On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>
>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>> was easy to remove.
>>>
>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>
>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>> place.
>>
>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
>> plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
>> like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
>> demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>
>

He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already said
she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.

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it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>
>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>> OK.
>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>
>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>> was easy to remove.
>>>
>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>
>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in place.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>
>
> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>

In close proximity to one another...

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it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/04/2022 8:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/04/2022 11:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/4/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2022 5:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 05-Apr-22 5:24 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/4/2022 4:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04-Apr-22 3:27 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7wjxyyigpfuw9sr/T_garagedoor2.jpg?dl=0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One screw has fully pulled out. The other, as shown, has partial
>>>>>>>> pulled out and bent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The door is jammed in a skewed position and the door opener
>>>>>>>> gives up almost immediately. If I release the door opener, I
>>>>>>>> can't move the door either. The spring is still under tension.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already considered the option of letting someone else
>>>>>>>> deal with it, and it may come to that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the end, I surrounded the failed side with wheelie bins part
>>>>>>> filled with water to catch anything that might fly out of that
>>>>>>> area in the event of a sudden failure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I then constructed a much over-engineered jig that let me release
>>>>>>> the tension in the spring on the other side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was then able to remove bracket from that side, so that the
>>>>>>> door was no longer being forced to try to pivot about two
>>>>>>> different axes. This in turn gave me enough play to move the door
>>>>>>> from the outside where I was shielded from anything the spring
>>>>>>> might to, to the point where the bent screw on the failed side
>>>>>>> snapped, and released the tension in that spring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of the time taken for this was because I had to visit two
>>>>>>> Bunnings and a Mitre Ten to get the things I needed. Who'd have
>>>>>>> thought that getting an M10 eye bolt would be so difficult?
>>>>>>> Apparently there are supply chain issues affecting even such
>>>>>>> mundane parts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I have to do now is drill some holes and put it all back
>>>>>>> together - a task for tomorrow, I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>
>>>> OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>
>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>
>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>> was easy to remove.
>>>
>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>
>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Actually, cyclical vertical loading on a coach screw into wood is
>> definitely not ideal.
>
>
> that was my first thought too. garage door mounting bracket on wood with
> coach screws!?? should have had bolts thu to the other side
>
>

Yep.

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On 6/04/2022 10:41 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>
>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and
>>>> it was easy to remove.
>>>>
>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>
>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>> holding it in place.
>>>
>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized
>>> metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber
>>> doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has
>>> already demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>>
>>
>
>
> He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already said
> she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.
>

yeah but there should be a metal plate on the other side. otherwise over
time the bolt heads will pull into the wood and the bracket will become
loose again.

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On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>> OK.
>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>
>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>
>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>
>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>
>>
>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>
>
> In close proximity to one another...
>

It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..

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On 6/04/2022 8:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 10:41 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and
>>>>> it was easy to remove.
>>>>>
>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>>> holding it in place.
>>>>
>>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>>>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>>>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized
>>>> metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber
>>>> doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has
>>>> already demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already said
>> she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.
>>
>
> yeah but there should be a metal plate on the other side. otherwise over
> time the bolt heads will pull into the wood and the bracket will become
> loose again.
>

Surely that's obvious to everyone?

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>
>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>
>>>
>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..

They're long roofing screws.
>>>
>>
>> In close proximity to one another...
>>
>
>It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..

How can it be fake?
Here's some evidence...
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
....and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
the bldg industry.

On 6/04/2022 11:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>
>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
> They're long roofing screws.

ah yes I see that now

>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>
>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
> How can it be fake?
> Here's some evidence...
> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
> the bldg industry.
>

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On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>
> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>
>>
>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>
> How can it be fake?
> Here's some evidence...
> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
> the bldg industry.
>

That's not what you are using.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/04/2022 9:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 11:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>>> replace the
>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>>> anything, I
>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>
>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>> They're long roofing screws.
>
>
> ah yes I see that now
>
>

That's probably even worse.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:08:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

>On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>
>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>
>>>
>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>
>> How can it be fake?
>> Here's some evidence...
>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>> the bldg industry.
>>
>
>That's not what you are using.

You are being argumentative!

On 6/04/2022 2:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 9:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 11:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws
>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>>>> replace the
>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>>>> anything, I
>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>
>>
>> ah yes I see that now
>>
>>
>
>
> That's probably even worse.
>
>

why? those roofing screws are thinner so less wood is removed in using them

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On 6/4/2022 9:39 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>
>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>> was easy to remove.
>>>
>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>
>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>> place.
>>
>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
>> plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
>> like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
>> demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Agree, over time the timber post has compressed causing the bracket to

Disagree, the timber post has *shrunk* over time, it's not compressed
per se.

> become lose and the whole thing would have been moving/flexing so it was
> bound to fail.
> Need to check the other side as well and make sure its secure and tight
> and once its all fixed it needs to be checked for tightness regularly.
>
If the wood has been seasoned, and it certainly would be by now, you
need only recheck once if you are using a bolt and nut instead of a
screw. A screw is not ideal in that situation.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/4/2022 10:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>
>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>> was easy to remove.
>>>
>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>
>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything,
>>> I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>> place.
>>
>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized metal
>> plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber doesn't
>> like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has already
>> demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>
Well, not exactly correct.

If the wood is hardwood, then the process of drying out will increase,
not decrease, the strength. Try hammering nails in a well seasoned
hardwood framed house and you will soon get the point - the point of a
drill to predrill holes before nailing.

Timber threads do not perform well under cyclical tension loadings,
never have, never will. On the other hand, timber does rather well under
compression loadings - both with and across the grain - it's what they
are used for. How about this timber building?

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/worlds-tallest-timber-framed-building-finally-opens-doors

Lots of compression loadings in that building for sure.

--
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/4/2022 2:50 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:08:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>
>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>>
>>> How can it be fake?
>>> Here's some evidence...
>>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>>> the bldg industry.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what you are using.
>
> You are being argumentative!
>
>
Happens a lot around here. You'll get used to it! ;-)

--
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/04/2022 3:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 6/4/2022 9:39 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/4/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>
>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and
>>>> it was easy to remove.
>>>>
>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace
>>>> the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>
>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>> holding it in place.
>>>
>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and it's
>>> probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's strength. Your
>>> bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a decent sized
>>> metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread the load. Timber
>>> doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old timber that has
>>> already demonstrated a willingness to fail as yours has.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Agree, over time the timber post has compressed causing the bracket to
>
> Disagree, the timber post has *shrunk* over time, it's not compressed
> per se.

yep. there is no 'pressure' on it

>
>> become lose and the whole thing would have been moving/flexing so it
>> was bound to fail.
>> Need to check the other side as well and make sure its secure and
>> tight and once its all fixed it needs to be checked for tightness
>> regularly.
>>
> If the wood has been seasoned, and it certainly would be by now, you
> need only recheck once if you are using a bolt and nut instead of a
> screw. A screw is not ideal in that situation.
>

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On 6/04/2022 12:50 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:08:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>
>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>>
>>> How can it be fake?
>>> Here's some evidence...
>>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>>> the bldg industry.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what you are using.
>
> You are being argumentative!
>
>

No, those screws you are using are nothing like those joiners used in
the building industry. What you did is probably fine for your
application but it likely would have been stronger had you used fewer
screws.

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keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/04/2022 1:27 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 2:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 9:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 11:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws
>>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>>>>> replace the
>>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>>>>> anything, I
>>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>
>>>
>>> ah yes I see that now
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's probably even worse.
>>
>>
>
> why? those roofing screws are thinner so less wood is removed in using them
>

Those screws must be a lot smaller than the ones I have here then even
if they look identical.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."