On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter. If
>>> I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the UK,
>>> then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>
>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>
>>
>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>
> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>
> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt his
> opinion at all.
>
> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as

A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?

> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that works
> okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first introduction into
> older vinyl records.
>
> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
> something decent down the track.
>
>
TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally when
I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either but
it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 9:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> Hey Trev,
>>>
>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>
>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I recently
>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual" type
>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>
>
> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>
>
>>
>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>
>
> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>
>
>>   If he ever gets
>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>
> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>
>
>> and a couple of
>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>
>
> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>
>
>>
>> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>> today's market.  If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>> turntable for normal listening.
>
>
> yes recording LP's is the way to go, then just store the records
>
>

I recorded my Dire Straits Brothers in Arms vinyl to CD. Only way to go
if you intend to actually listen to an "vinyl" album on a regular basis.

>>
>> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
>> all (even less in charity shops).  Plus the fact that decent sound
>> equipment has never been more affordable   :)
>>
>

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/4/2022 10:01 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 9:45 am, Justin Case wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:27 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> You're an absolute *embarrassment*. You know how you stated yesterday
>>> that "you think I'm stupid"? Well, this is a perfect example of *why*
>>> people do. You've managed to do little here other than to make a
>>> complete spectacle of yourself, and somehow that's *my* fault all
>>> because I wasn't interested in taking you up on your offer.
>>>
>>> You are *remarkably* fragile pal....
>>>
>>
>> clocky posted *facts*.
>
> Did he? Which had exactly *what* to do with anything being discussed here?
>
> If you were standing in a bar having a conversation with someone and a
> third person walks up at random talking about rubbish that has nothing
> at all to do with what you were talking about, would you consider that
> to be normal?
>
> No, I wouldn't either :)

Been here before Darren, and the same applies. This is a *public forum*
and anyone can respond in any manner they desire. You do it all the time
so why should others not enjoy that same liberty?
>
>> and all you had to do was say 'thanks' to my offer and you would have
>> your spindle.
>
> But I didn't want one from you Felix. I'm sorry that you're offended by

What a sook. Must be time for you to burst into tears and run away.

> that, but you need to put your big boy undies on and appreciate that
> just because you offer something to someone doesn't mean they're
> obligated to take you up on it.

You need some big boy undies! Seems like you've shit yours.
>
> Seriously, you're being remarkably childish here....
>
>> now you can knock yourself out trying to find one.
>
> Shouldn't be too hard, should it? You reckon all I need to do is look on
> ebay and I'll find one easily :)
>
>> but save your fingers typing. your warped thinking, lies, distortions,
>> and opinion are of no worth. (back to 'yosemite sam' for me!)
>
> Before you go, just take stock here for a moment and see what's transpired.

Yeah, you have reverted to type. Nothing new there.
>
> You offered a spindle. Not for me, because you wouldn't do it for me,
> but for my kid. You want to talk about insults, right? Apparently that
> little side swipe of yours right there is fine, but me saying "no thank
> you, I'd rather not deal with you but thanks anyway" is an affront that
> you seem to be suffering a disproportionate amount of butt-hurt over and
> are trying your level best to make me out to be a arsehole *just*
> because I wasn't interested in what you were offering.
>
> I'm tipping that no matter how much you look at this you won't see
> anything other than yourself as a hard done by victim, and *this* is why
> people think you're an idiot.
>
You looking in that mirror again Darren?

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy wrote:
>On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>
>> FWIW I gave up on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>> today's market. If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>> turntable for normal listening.
>
>That's the thing.
>
>While I was at the store yesterday picking up the unit they had a good
>selection of used albums, as well as some new re-issues. Knowing that he
>loves my style of older music I couldn't pass up buying a copy of Pink
>Floyd's "Dark side of the Moon" or Neil Young's "Harvest" which are both
>albums I had originally as a kid but no longer do. They were 60 bucks
>each, and at that price they won't be going on the auto loader if I
>manage to find a spindle.

"Dark Side of the Moon" around $10 on ebay (pre-owned)! :)

>I've already given him my vinyl collection which I've had for years
>which is mostly things like Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Credence, The
>Kinks, etc, etc, and given that most of them are in average condition
>thanks to spending far too many hours being played under the influence
>of alcohol he can satisfy his auto loading desires with those :)

The Kreisler stereogram I inherited from my grandmother, along with
our vinyl record collection, all went to the Salvos when we moved
house. Only thing I slightly regret is wife (unbeknown to me)
chucking out my 45 collection. Even had the odd Edison cylinder
(though I've never owned an Edison Pornograph needed to play them)
which also went to heaven somewhere along the line.

>> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
>> all (even less in charity shops). Plus the fact that decent sound
>> equipment has never been more affordable :)
>
>Personally I don't even own decent stereo equipment these days. I used
>to have a bit of Yamaha and Pioneer gear which I liked, but my hearing
>is such that I could never truly get my money's worth out of anything
>decent any more. My "music day" is limited to listening to digital radio
>in the workshop, and when I feel like unwinding with a few tunes I have
>a decent set of JBL headphones and a comfy chair which I use to listen
>to digital tracks on the PC while sipping the occasional beer.

My hearing is but a shadow of it's former self but if anything it's
improved my appreciation of clean clear sound, and especially for
speech. Consequently I wouldn't even bother listening to TV via the
speakers that come with a typical TV set (including the expensive big
screen models). Nor does digital TV, via any sound system, do justice
to modern movie sound tracks.... Consequently I much prefer to spend
$15 on a Blu-ray than even bother to watch the same movie on TV which
is what makes a decent sound system particularly worthwhile.
Headphones are fine for eliminating noisy backgrounds but they still
can't match the stereo and low frequency effects of DVD or Blu-ray.

Even to my ears there's also a vast difference between digital
TV/radio and CD/DVD/Blu-ray sound quality.

--
John H

On 12/4/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Trev,
>>
>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>
>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I recently
>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual" type
>> fitted which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>
> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
> appear at this point in time. The majority of them were junk even in
> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>
> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
> otherwise best not encourage him down that path. If he ever gets
> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier and a couple of
> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>
> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD

So did I and never looked back. I still have some vinyl in the cupboard
but it is a collection of albums which have never been released on CD
and, for the most part, aren't likely to ever be.

> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
> today's market. If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
> turntable for normal listening.

That is precisely what I use my Sansui turntable for. Back in the day,
my albums were played once only and recorded to tape at the same time.
From then on the vinyl was stored. I sold off a lot of the vinyl years
back when CDs entered the scene and kept only those for which there was
no CD equivalent. Nowadays I rip at a high bitrate to digital and store
all on multiple HDDs.
>
> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
> all (even less in charity shops). Plus the fact that decent sound
> equipment has never been more affordable :)
>
I used to haunt the op shops looking for pristine CDs at literally
giveaway prices. Still do.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 10:22 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 9:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:28 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2022 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> As a follow up, have a read here:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/consumers-fume-after-us-postal-service-suspends-australian-deliveries-20211001-p58wb8.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's old news that's been going on longer than my experience
>>>> suggests, and while I would think that it's slowly returning to
>>>> normal there are clearly still some businesses affected by it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My wife wants a book from the USA, can't get it via normal postage
>>> for the same reason but international couriers such as DHL will ship
>>> it but the cost is insane, can't remember the exact numbers but
>>> shipping is something like double the price of the book.
>>> She had it sent to the address of a mates mother in LA but still no
>>> luck getting it shipped here at a reasonable price.
>>
>> It's certainly frustrating.
>>
>> I ordered a new forward tilt bonnet mechanism for my F-100 a few
>> months ago which was something like 300 bucks US, and another hundred
>> for postage. Paid for it, got all the automated emails saying
>> everything was cool with an expected delivery date only for it to be
>> cancelled the next say with the seller saying USPS won't ship to
>> Australia. He wasn't interested in dealing with another shipping
>> company, so I looked around for one through someone else as there are
>> many companies selling them.
>>
>> I could find plenty who were happy to ship through international
>> couriers, but then the shipping price went from a hundred bucks to
>> nearly 400 bucks which makes it absolutely ridiculous :)
>>
>> Just like this auto spindle I'm chasing. There's a few people in the
>> US selling them on ebay, but anyone who is willing to ship through a
>> courier is charging massive postage fees. 22 bucks for the spindle,
>> and almost a hundred to ship it.
>>
> That's life under Covid, get used to it. FWIW, it has always been
> expensive shipping stuff from the US. That's why I do most of my
> purchasing from the UK.
>
>

Most books are available from other sources or through other means, you
just need to be a bit creative and smart about it. But just listen to
those two cranks whining about their first world problems...

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/4/2022 11:38 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 11:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Thanks Trev. I appreciate it. If you manage to find one let me know
>>>> here and I'll organise purchasing it from you.
>>>
>>> **If I find one, you can have it for free. Maybe you can spring for
>>> postage.
>>
>> With pleasure. Just let me know if you come across one and I'll get it
>> organised.
>>
>>>> This unit has already been restored which is why I bought it.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate that this unit isn't at the high end of the used stereo
>>>> market, but it's more the novelty aspect of it at the moment than
>>>> the quality. If he develops an ear for vinyl and wants to take it
>>>> further he can get something decent down the track.
>>>
>>> **OK. Makes sense. The turntable/s to look out for, with serious
>>> retro-cred are old Dual turntables. 1214, 1216, 1218, 1219. The last
>>> two digits indicate ascending levels of quality. Later models are:
>>> 1224, 1226, 1228, 1229 (the 1229Q was the ultimate variant and one I
>>> have never seen). Same deal. A 1218 is superior quality to a 1226 for
>>> instance, despite being older. Earlier models were 1015, 1016, 1019,
>>> etc (those whacky Germans). My second turntable, purchased in 1972,
>>> for $150.00, was a Dual 1218. In classic German tradition, it is
>>> likely to still be operating perfectly (assuming it has been
>>> serviced) today.
>>>
>>> The reasons:
>>>
>>> * High quality, four pole (not cheap, shitty two pole) motors.
>>> * Heavy, cast, dynamically balanced platters (not pressed steel,
>>> unbalanced ones).
>>> * Tone arms (in the 1218 and above) are very well designed and
>>> constructed) are designed for magnetic cartridges.
>>> * Spare parts are challenging to obtain, but available.
>>> * The auto mechanism is very well resolved.
>>>
>>> Another possibly is Elac. Rarer and not quite as well designed as the
>>> Dual, the Elac units are exceptionally robust. Made in Germany too.
>>
>> Saved for future reference, thanks.
>>
>>>>> Oh and one more thing: NEVER use those spindles for LPs that are
>>>>> valuable. Auto turntables damage LPs.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm aware of that. The bloke who sold me the unit said exactly
>>>> the same thing, and I can remember the effects of them from my own
>>>> youth.
>>>>
>>>> My kid has developed a love of all things 1960's and 70's, and is
>>>> particularly fascinated by old "cabinet style" stereograms.
>>>> Especially the auto loaders. This unit isn't one of those big old
>>>> things as it's just a turntable, but it's kinda cool, sounds great
>>>> and has all the "retro" features he'll like:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME99K5P
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME99K5Q
>>>
>>> **OK. Interestingly, Rolls is one of the few (the only, AFAIK) that
>>> used Dual turntables for some of their models. Dual turntables were
>>> significantly more expensive that BSR and Garrard ones. However, with
>>> a little dedication and some woodworking skills, you could 'hot-rod'
>>> that stereo with some better components. Depends on how much effort
>>> you want to commit. It would not be a hugely difficult job.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the original turntable that shipped with the unit
>> when it was new. I've had a bit of a ferret around and can't find a
>> pic of this particular one for reference and it didn't come with any
>> manuals so I can't tell you if it's been retrofitted or not.
>>
>> As I said, it works well and sounds great,
>
>
> sounds great? methinks noddy has a hearing problem, lol
>
>
Not only a hearing problem, he has a *thinking deficit* as well.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/4/2022 1:27 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 9:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>
>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>> recently
>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual"
>>>> type
>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>
>>
>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>
>>
>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>
>>
>>>   If he ever gets
>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>
>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>
>>
>>> and a couple of
>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>
>>
>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>>> today's market.  If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>>> turntable for normal listening.
>>
>>
>> yes recording LP's is the way to go, then just store the records
>>
>>
>
> I recorded my Dire Straits Brothers in Arms vinyl to CD. Only way to go

I have it on CD, much nicer crisper sound to my ancient ears.

> if you intend to actually listen to an "vinyl" album on a regular basis.

Only way to go.
>
>>>
>>> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
>>> all (even less in charity shops).  Plus the fact that decent sound
>>> equipment has never been more affordable   :)
>>>
>>
>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 1:35 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>> That's the thing.
>>
>> While I was at the store yesterday picking up the unit they had a good
>> selection of used albums, as well as some new re-issues. Knowing that he
>> loves my style of older music I couldn't pass up buying a copy of Pink
>> Floyd's "Dark side of the Moon" or Neil Young's "Harvest" which are both
>> albums I had originally as a kid but no longer do. They were 60 bucks
>> each, and at that price they won't be going on the auto loader if I
>> manage to find a spindle.
>
> "Dark Side of the Moon" around $10 on ebay (pre-owned)! :)

Yeah, I've seen a few and thought about buying them, but records are
something I probably wouldn't try shipping through OzPost.

Still, at 10 bucks it's probably worth a try....

>> I've already given him my vinyl collection which I've had for years
>> which is mostly things like Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Credence, The
>> Kinks, etc, etc, and given that most of them are in average condition
>> thanks to spending far too many hours being played under the influence
>> of alcohol he can satisfy his auto loading desires with those :)
>
> The Kreisler stereogram I inherited from my grandmother, along with
> our vinyl record collection, all went to the Salvos when we moved
> house. Only thing I slightly regret is wife (unbeknown to me)
> chucking out my 45 collection. Even had the odd Edison cylinder
> (though I've never owned an Edison Pornograph needed to play them)
> which also went to heaven somewhere along the line.

Nice.

I had a stack of old original release Beatles "Parlophone" singles that
I gave away some years ago along with a host of other original issue
stuff that would be worth good money now.

Oh well.... :)

>> Personally I don't even own decent stereo equipment these days. I used
>> to have a bit of Yamaha and Pioneer gear which I liked, but my hearing
>> is such that I could never truly get my money's worth out of anything
>> decent any more. My "music day" is limited to listening to digital radio
>> in the workshop, and when I feel like unwinding with a few tunes I have
>> a decent set of JBL headphones and a comfy chair which I use to listen
>> to digital tracks on the PC while sipping the occasional beer.
>
> My hearing is but a shadow of it's former self but if anything it's
> improved my appreciation of clean clear sound, and especially for
> speech. Consequently I wouldn't even bother listening to TV via the
> speakers that come with a typical TV set (including the expensive big
> screen models). Nor does digital TV, via any sound system, do justice
> to modern movie sound tracks.... Consequently I much prefer to spend
> $15 on a Blu-ray than even bother to watch the same movie on TV which
> is what makes a decent sound system particularly worthwhile.
> Headphones are fine for eliminating noisy backgrounds but they still
> can't match the stereo and low frequency effects of DVD or Blu-ray.

I tend to agree, but I don't watch enough movies for it to be worth the
effort.

> Even to my ears there's also a vast difference between digital
> TV/radio and CD/DVD/Blu-ray sound quality.

I have to really, *really* listen to notice any difference these days.
As I said in another post this little stereo I've bought for my kid
sounds okay to me, but for all I know it sounds like shit to anyone else.

I guess I'll find out soon enough :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 12/4/2022 1:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 10:22 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 9:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:28 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 12/4/2022 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As a follow up, have a read here:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/consumers-fume-after-us-postal-service-suspends-australian-deliveries-20211001-p58wb8.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's old news that's been going on longer than my experience
>>>>> suggests, and while I would think that it's slowly returning to
>>>>> normal there are clearly still some businesses affected by it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> My wife wants a book from the USA, can't get it via normal postage
>>>> for the same reason but international couriers such as DHL will ship
>>>> it but the cost is insane, can't remember the exact numbers but
>>>> shipping is something like double the price of the book.
>>>> She had it sent to the address of a mates mother in LA but still no
>>>> luck getting it shipped here at a reasonable price.
>>>
>>> It's certainly frustrating.
>>>
>>> I ordered a new forward tilt bonnet mechanism for my F-100 a few
>>> months ago which was something like 300 bucks US, and another hundred
>>> for postage. Paid for it, got all the automated emails saying
>>> everything was cool with an expected delivery date only for it to be
>>> cancelled the next say with the seller saying USPS won't ship to
>>> Australia. He wasn't interested in dealing with another shipping
>>> company, so I looked around for one through someone else as there are
>>> many companies selling them.
>>>
>>> I could find plenty who were happy to ship through international
>>> couriers, but then the shipping price went from a hundred bucks to
>>> nearly 400 bucks which makes it absolutely ridiculous :)
>>>
>>> Just like this auto spindle I'm chasing. There's a few people in the
>>> US selling them on ebay, but anyone who is willing to ship through a
>>> courier is charging massive postage fees. 22 bucks for the spindle,
>>> and almost a hundred to ship it.
>>>
>> That's life under Covid, get used to it. FWIW, it has always been
>> expensive shipping stuff from the US. That's why I do most of my
>> purchasing from the UK.
>>
>>
>
> Most books are available from other sources or through other means, you
> just need to be a bit creative and smart about it. But just listen to
> those two cranks whining about their first world problems...
>
Indeed. There are very few books, as an example, that I cannot get from
the UK. What's more, often the postage/shipping is a dollar or two. In a
lot of cases, the book is a dollar or two and the postage $10+. The
internet is fantastic for sourcing rare books.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/4/2022 1:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:35 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> That's the thing.
>>>
>>> While I was at the store yesterday picking up the unit they had a good
>>> selection of used albums, as well as some new re-issues. Knowing that he
>>> loves my style of older music I couldn't pass up buying a copy of Pink
>>> Floyd's "Dark side of the Moon" or Neil Young's "Harvest" which are both
>>> albums I had originally as a kid but no longer do. They were 60 bucks
>>> each, and at that price they won't be going on the auto loader if I
>>> manage to find a spindle.
>>
>> "Dark Side of the Moon" around $10 on ebay (pre-owned)!  :)
>
> Yeah, I've seen a few and thought about buying them, but records are
> something I probably wouldn't try shipping through OzPost.
>
> Still, at 10 bucks it's probably worth a try....

Compared to getting ripped off at $60, well worth it. 6 tries before the
price matches. FWIW, I had a vinyl record, a 45, delivered two weeks
ago. Well packed between layers of corrugated cardboard, $13.09 inc.
shipping. Shipping security depends on the person doing the packing.
>
>>> I've already given him my vinyl collection which I've had for years
>>> which is mostly things like Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Credence, The
>>> Kinks, etc, etc, and given that most of them are in average condition
>>> thanks to spending far too many hours being played under the influence
>>> of alcohol he can satisfy his auto loading desires with those :)
>>
>> The Kreisler stereogram I inherited from my grandmother, along with
>> our vinyl record collection, all went to the Salvos when we moved
>> house.  Only thing I slightly regret is wife (unbeknown to me)
>> chucking out my 45 collection.  Even had the odd Edison cylinder
>> (though I've never owned an Edison Pornograph needed to play them)
>> which also went to heaven somewhere along the line.
>
> Nice.
>
> I had a stack of old original release Beatles "Parlophone" singles that
> I gave away some years ago along with a host of other original issue
> stuff that would be worth good money now.
>
> Oh well.... :)
>
>>> Personally I don't even own decent stereo equipment these days. I used
>>> to have a bit of Yamaha and Pioneer gear which I liked, but my hearing
>>> is such that I could never truly get my money's worth out of anything
>>> decent any more. My "music day" is limited to listening to digital radio
>>> in the workshop, and when I feel like unwinding with a few tunes I have
>>> a decent set of JBL headphones and a comfy chair which I use to listen
>>> to digital tracks on the PC while sipping the occasional beer.
>>
>> My hearing is but a shadow of it's former self but if anything it's
>> improved my appreciation of clean clear sound, and especially for
>> speech.  Consequently I wouldn't even bother listening to TV via the
>> speakers that come with a typical TV set (including the expensive big
>> screen models).  Nor does digital TV, via any sound system, do justice
>> to modern movie sound tracks....  Consequently I much prefer to spend
>> $15 on a Blu-ray than even bother to watch the same movie on TV which
>> is what makes a decent sound system particularly worthwhile.
>> Headphones are fine for eliminating noisy backgrounds but they still
>> can't match the stereo and low frequency effects of DVD or Blu-ray.
>
> I tend to agree, but I don't watch enough movies for it to be worth the
> effort.
>
>> Even to my ears there's also a vast difference between digital
>> TV/radio and CD/DVD/Blu-ray sound quality.
>
> I have to really, *really* listen to notice any difference these days.
> As I said in another post this little stereo I've bought for my kid
> sounds okay to me, but for all I know it sounds like shit to anyone else.
>
> I guess I'll find out soon enough :)

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 11:55 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 1:27 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>
>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>> recently
>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>>> as a
>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>>> love
>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>> great
>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual"
>>>>> type
>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>
>>>
>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>
>>>
>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>>
>>>
>>>>   If he ever gets
>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>
>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>
>>>
>>>> and a couple of
>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>
>>>
>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>>>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>>>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>>>> today's market.  If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>>>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>>>> turntable for normal listening.
>>>
>>>
>>> yes recording LP's is the way to go, then just store the records
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I recorded my Dire Straits Brothers in Arms vinyl to CD. Only way to go
>
> I have it on CD, much nicer crisper sound to my ancient ears.
>

This sounds pretty good, considering it was recorded from vinyl using a
Kenwood player a long time ago. A proper pressed CD would sound better.
I no longer have a record player. Vinyl has made a bit of a comeback as
a novelty in some circles (as have cassettes which are becoming
collectible) but I'd rather listen to a CD every time.

Vinyl is so over-rated. There, I said it :-)

>> if you intend to actually listen to an "vinyl" album on a regular basis.
>
> Only way to go.
>>
>>>>
>>>> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
>>>> all (even less in charity shops).  Plus the fact that decent sound
>>>> equipment has never been more affordable   :)
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/04/2022 12:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 1:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 1:35 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> That's the thing.
>>>>
>>>> While I was at the store yesterday picking up the unit they had a good
>>>> selection of used albums, as well as some new re-issues. Knowing
>>>> that he
>>>> loves my style of older music I couldn't pass up buying a copy of Pink
>>>> Floyd's "Dark side of the Moon" or Neil Young's "Harvest" which are
>>>> both
>>>> albums I had originally as a kid but no longer do. They were 60 bucks
>>>> each, and at that price they won't be going on the auto loader if I
>>>> manage to find a spindle.
>>>
>>> "Dark Side of the Moon" around $10 on ebay (pre-owned)!  :)
>>
>> Yeah, I've seen a few and thought about buying them, but records are
>> something I probably wouldn't try shipping through OzPost.
>>
>> Still, at 10 bucks it's probably worth a try....
>
> Compared to getting ripped off at $60, well worth it. 6 tries before the
> price matches. FWIW, I had a vinyl record, a 45, delivered two weeks
> ago. Well packed between layers of corrugated cardboard, $13.09 inc.
> shipping. Shipping security depends on the person doing the packing.

It does indeed. Some of the packing horrors I've seen when people have
wrapped some bubble wrap around say a CRT plonked it into a box and it
unsurprisingly arrives in many pieces.

It's not really about the value but the loss when it's a super-rare item
and the seller just doesn't take the time to pack it properly.

>>
>>>> I've already given him my vinyl collection which I've had for years
>>>> which is mostly things like Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Credence,
>>>> The
>>>> Kinks, etc, etc, and given that most of them are in average condition
>>>> thanks to spending far too many hours being played under the influence
>>>> of alcohol he can satisfy his auto loading desires with those :)
>>>
>>> The Kreisler stereogram I inherited from my grandmother, along with
>>> our vinyl record collection, all went to the Salvos when we moved
>>> house.  Only thing I slightly regret is wife (unbeknown to me)
>>> chucking out my 45 collection.  Even had the odd Edison cylinder
>>> (though I've never owned an Edison Pornograph needed to play them)
>>> which also went to heaven somewhere along the line.
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>> I had a stack of old original release Beatles "Parlophone" singles
>> that I gave away some years ago along with a host of other original
>> issue stuff that would be worth good money now.
>>
>> Oh well.... :)
>>
>>>> Personally I don't even own decent stereo equipment these days. I used
>>>> to have a bit of Yamaha and Pioneer gear which I liked, but my hearing
>>>> is such that I could never truly get my money's worth out of anything
>>>> decent any more. My "music day" is limited to listening to digital
>>>> radio
>>>> in the workshop, and when I feel like unwinding with a few tunes I have
>>>> a decent set of JBL headphones and a comfy chair which I use to listen
>>>> to digital tracks on the PC while sipping the occasional beer.
>>>
>>> My hearing is but a shadow of it's former self but if anything it's
>>> improved my appreciation of clean clear sound, and especially for
>>> speech.  Consequently I wouldn't even bother listening to TV via the
>>> speakers that come with a typical TV set (including the expensive big
>>> screen models).  Nor does digital TV, via any sound system, do justice
>>> to modern movie sound tracks....  Consequently I much prefer to spend
>>> $15 on a Blu-ray than even bother to watch the same movie on TV which
>>> is what makes a decent sound system particularly worthwhile.
>>> Headphones are fine for eliminating noisy backgrounds but they still
>>> can't match the stereo and low frequency effects of DVD or Blu-ray.
>>
>> I tend to agree, but I don't watch enough movies for it to be worth
>> the effort.
>>
>>> Even to my ears there's also a vast difference between digital
>>> TV/radio and CD/DVD/Blu-ray sound quality.
>>
>> I have to really, *really* listen to notice any difference these days.
>> As I said in another post this little stereo I've bought for my kid
>> sounds okay to me, but for all I know it sounds like shit to anyone else.
>>
>> I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
>
>
>
>

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/04/2022 11:26 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter.
>>>> If I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the UK,
>>>> then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>>
>>>
>>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>>
>> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>>
>> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
>> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
>> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt
>> his opinion at all.
>>
>> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as
>
> A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?
>
>> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that
>> works okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first
>> introduction into older vinyl records.
>>
>> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
>> something decent down the track.
>>
>>
> TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
> any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
> Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
> out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally when
> I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either but
> it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.
>
>

That's the irony. You can spend a lot one some pretty low-end vintage
junk that ruins records when you can buy a modern player and have a
decent sounding system that shits all over a low end stereogram for not
much more and preserve the integrity of the records you're playing.

Much wiser really.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/4/2022 11:45 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 10:50 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 10:31 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **You've missed the point. Playing LPs is not about sound quality
>>> (for the majority of adherents). It's more like owning a Model T
>>> Ford, or the Japanese tea ceremony. The Japanese tea ceremony is not
>>> about the tea. Same deal with LPs. It is a triumph of style over
>>> substance. In fact, late last year I completed a repair on an old
>>> radiogram, that I considered to be junk. The guy spent around $350.00
>>> having me renovate the unit. He even refused my offer of replacing
>>> the blown light globes with LEDs. He wanted it to be original.
>>
>>
>> When we moved house about 2.5yrs ago I gave my Garrard turntable plus
>> some other 1970's stereo gear including my small collection of vinyl
>> albums to my youngest son.
>> He likes the sound but I suspect that he wanted it simply because its
>> old therefore its "cool":-)
>
> There's a fair element of that, too :)
>
> I bought my kid a 2006 Holden Astra a few months ago off one of the
> neighbours. It's a decent little car and I drive it myself on occasion
> as it's registered and running fine, and while the kid likes it and
> drives it around here he's already saving for a "cool" car which to him
> is anything built before 1980 :)
>
>
>
LOL, a mate of my youngest bought a HR Holden simply because it was old
and therefore "cool", it was his only car so it didn't take long for him
to realize that it wasn't so "cool" after all.
Different story if it was just a weekend toy but an awful daily driver,
just the fuel consumption would get old real quick.
The new 1982 S Pack XD 4spd I had had excellent fuel economy for the
day, it got 23mpg with a mix of hwy city driving, my bosses auto
Fairmont Ghia got around 16mpg city, by today's standard both are
horrendous fuel guzzlers.
As a comparison my wife's 2016 Golf uses around 5lts/100km which is
about 56mpg and the Golf is also faster than the XD, XD 4.1lt had 94kw,
the 1.4lt turbo Golf has 110kw.
Whilst it may be cool to own an XD I'd rather drive the Golf:-)

--
Daryl

On 12/4/2022 2:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 11:55 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 1:27 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   If he ever gets
>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>
>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>>>>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>>>>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>>>>> today's market.  If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>>>>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>>>>> turntable for normal listening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes recording LP's is the way to go, then just store the records
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I recorded my Dire Straits Brothers in Arms vinyl to CD. Only way to go
>>
>> I have it on CD, much nicer crisper sound to my ancient ears.
>>
>
> This sounds pretty good, considering it was recorded from vinyl using a
> Kenwood player a long time ago. A proper pressed CD would sound better.
> I no longer have a record player. Vinyl has made a bit of a comeback as
> a novelty in some circles (as have cassettes which are becoming
> collectible) but I'd rather listen to a CD every time.
>
> Vinyl is so over-rated. There, I said it :-)

You won't get an argument from me on that score. The clicks and pops
used to piss me off. With cassettes it was tape hiss that pissed me off
- until I couldn't hear the high frequency hiss any more. ;-) CD, love
it, clear as crystal even with a degree of lossy compression.
>
>>> if you intend to actually listen to an "vinyl" album on a regular basis.
>>
>> Only way to go.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH I can currently buy perfectly good CDs on ebay for next to bugger
>>>>> all (even less in charity shops).  Plus the fact that decent sound
>>>>> equipment has never been more affordable   :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/4/2022 2:35 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 11:26 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter.
>>>>> If I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the
>>>>> UK, then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>>>
>>> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>>>
>>> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
>>> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
>>> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt
>>> his opinion at all.
>>>
>>> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as
>>
>> A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?
>>
>>> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that
>>> works okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first
>>> introduction into older vinyl records.
>>>
>>> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
>>> something decent down the track.
>>>
>>>
>> TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
>> any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
>> Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
>> out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally
>> when I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either
>> but it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.
>>
>>
>
> That's the irony. You can spend a lot one some pretty low-end vintage
> junk that ruins records when you can buy a modern player and have a
> decent sounding system that shits all over a low end stereogram for not
> much more and preserve the integrity of the records you're playing.
>
> Much wiser really.
>
I certainly think so.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 11:45 am, Noddy wrote:

>> I bought my kid a 2006 Holden Astra a few months ago off one of the
>> neighbours. It's a decent little car and I drive it myself on occasion
>> as it's registered and running fine, and while the kid likes it and
>> drives it around here he's already saving for a "cool" car which to
>> him is anything built before 1980 :)
>>
>>
>>
> LOL, a mate of my youngest bought a HR Holden simply because it was old
> and therefore "cool", it was his only car so it didn't take long for him
> to realize that it wasn't so "cool" after all.

Hahahah :)

I see *so* many young blokes fall into that trap. They think older cars
are "cool" until they get behind the wheel and see what they're really
like.

> Different story if it was just a weekend toy but an awful daily driver,
> just the fuel consumption would get old real quick.

Absolutely.

Not that I personally find anything wrong with driving older cars. I
know what they're like, and it's their characteristics which make it fun
for me. But there's just so many young kids these days that think a
something like a HR Holden would be a cool car to have but have
absolutely no idea they drive like a truck compared to even the most
basic of modern cars.

> The new 1982 S Pack XD 4spd I had had excellent fuel economy for the
> day, it got 23mpg with a mix of hwy city driving, my bosses auto
> Fairmont Ghia got around 16mpg city, by today's standard both are
> horrendous fuel guzzlers.

Yep. Absolutely appalling.

> As a comparison my wife's 2016 Golf uses around 5lts/100km which is
> about 56mpg and the Golf is also faster than the XD, XD 4.1lt had 94kw,
> the 1.4lt turbo Golf has 110kw.
> Whilst it may be cool to own an XD I'd rather drive the Golf:-)

It depends what you're doing and where you're going for mine.

I've been driving the Santa Fe a lot lately as the ute is getting a
make-over in preparation for being sold, as as much as I find the Santa
Fe to be relatively boring it *is* quite a remarkably comfortable car to
drive over any distance. Like yesterday for example I drove it to
Daylesford to pick up this Stereo I've bought for my kid for his
birthday, and it's just one of those cars where you can sit back, don't
have to think too much about what you're doing and be comfortable for a
hour while you drive through the countryside.

By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable seat
in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to drive
to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up the
Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this thing sits
on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you can actually
see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)

When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade it will be significantly
better, but for now it's "sweet spot" is about 40 miles per hour :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 12/04/2022 3:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:

>
> By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
> drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
> station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable seat
> in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to drive
> to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up the
> Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this thing sits
> on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you can actually
> see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)
>
> When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade it will be significantly
> better, but for now it's "sweet spot" is about 40 miles per hour :)

Sorry, that should read "I drove the F-100 down to pick her up from
Bacchus Station"....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 12/04/2022 1:09 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 3:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>
>> By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
>> drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
>> station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable
>> seat in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to
>> drive to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up
>> the Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this
>> thing sits on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you
>> can actually see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)
>>
>> When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade

"Upgraded" that seat belt yet or does your kid's safety have zero priority?

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/4/2022 3:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 11:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I bought my kid a 2006 Holden Astra a few months ago off one of the
>>> neighbours. It's a decent little car and I drive it myself on
>>> occasion as it's registered and running fine, and while the kid likes
>>> it and drives it around here he's already saving for a "cool" car
>>> which to him is anything built before 1980 :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, a mate of my youngest bought a HR Holden simply because it was
>> old and therefore "cool", it was his only car so it didn't take long
>> for him to realize that it wasn't so "cool" after all.
>
> Hahahah :)
>
> I see *so* many young blokes fall into that trap. They think older cars
> are "cool" until they get behind the wheel and see what they're really
> like.
>
>> Different story if it was just a weekend toy but an awful daily
>> driver, just the fuel consumption would get old real quick.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> Not that I personally find anything wrong with driving older cars. I
> know what they're like, and it's their characteristics which make it fun
> for me. But there's just so many young kids these days that think a
> something like a HR Holden would be a cool car to have but have
> absolutely no idea they drive like a truck compared to even the most
> basic of modern cars.
>
>> The new 1982 S Pack XD 4spd I had had excellent fuel economy for the
>> day, it got 23mpg with a mix of hwy city driving, my bosses auto
>> Fairmont Ghia got around 16mpg city, by today's standard both are
>> horrendous fuel guzzlers.
>
> Yep. Absolutely appalling.
>
>> As a comparison my wife's 2016 Golf uses around 5lts/100km which is
>> about 56mpg and the Golf is also faster than the XD, XD 4.1lt had
>> 94kw, the 1.4lt turbo Golf has 110kw.
>> Whilst it may be cool to own an XD I'd rather drive the Golf:-)
>
> It depends what you're doing and where you're going for mine.
>
> I've been driving the Santa Fe a lot lately as the ute is getting a
> make-over in preparation for being sold, as as much as I find the Santa
> Fe to be relatively boring it *is* quite a remarkably comfortable car to
> drive over any distance. Like yesterday for example I drove it to
> Daylesford  to pick up this Stereo I've bought for my kid for his
> birthday, and it's just one of those cars where you can sit back, don't
> have to think too much about what you're doing and be comfortable for a
> hour while you drive through the countryside.
>
> By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
> drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
> station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable seat
> in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to drive
> to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up the
> Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this thing sits
> on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you can actually
> see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)
>
> When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade it will be significantly
> better, but for now it's "sweet spot" is about 40 miles per hour :)
>
>
>
>
LOL, sounds like fun:-)

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Daryl

On 12/4/2022 3:09 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 3:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>
>> By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
>> drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
>> station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable
>> seat in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to
>> drive to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up
>> the Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this
>> thing sits on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you
>> can actually see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)
>>
>> When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade it will be significantly
>> better, but for now it's "sweet spot" is about 40 miles per hour :)
>
> Sorry, that should read "I drove the F-100 down to pick her up from
> Bacchus Station"....
>
>
>
>
I figured that out:-)
Speaking of the train, I went to the Grand Prix last Friday and went by
train and tram, first time I've caught the train from BM, cost me $9.20
return, sure beats driving into the city:-)

--
Daryl

On 12/04/2022 3:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 3:09 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Sorry, that should read "I drove the F-100 down to pick her up from
>> Bacchus Station"....
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I figured that out:-)
> Speaking of the train, I went to the Grand Prix last Friday and went by
> train and tram, first time I've caught the train from BM, cost me $9.20
> return, sure beats driving into the city:-)

Yeah, it's pretty reasonable, and it's not a bad ride either according
to the wife. She was training it pre covid, takes the train into
Southern Corss and a tram up Bourke St and she's in the office.

Saves a hundred and fifty a week for car parking.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 12/4/2022 3:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 2:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 11:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I bought my kid a 2006 Holden Astra a few months ago off one of the
>>> neighbours. It's a decent little car and I drive it myself on
>>> occasion as it's registered and running fine, and while the kid likes
>>> it and drives it around here he's already saving for a "cool" car
>>> which to him is anything built before 1980 :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, a mate of my youngest bought a HR Holden simply because it was
>> old and therefore "cool", it was his only car so it didn't take long
>> for him to realize that it wasn't so "cool" after all.
>
> Hahahah :)
>
> I see *so* many young blokes fall into that trap. They think older cars
> are "cool" until they get behind the wheel and see what they're really
> like.

Yeah, funny you should mention that, there was this wanker here who
bought a 64 vintage truck and then *complained* how heavy and hard it
was to drive. Amazing, huh?
>
>> Different story if it was just a weekend toy but an awful daily
>> driver, just the fuel consumption would get old real quick.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> Not that I personally find anything wrong with driving older cars. I
> know what they're like, and it's their characteristics which make it fun
> for me. But there's just so many young kids these days that think a
> something like a HR Holden would be a cool car to have but have
> absolutely no idea they drive like a truck compared to even the most
> basic of modern cars.
>
>> The new 1982 S Pack XD 4spd I had had excellent fuel economy for the
>> day, it got 23mpg with a mix of hwy city driving, my bosses auto
>> Fairmont Ghia got around 16mpg city, by today's standard both are
>> horrendous fuel guzzlers.
>
> Yep. Absolutely appalling.
>
>> As a comparison my wife's 2016 Golf uses around 5lts/100km which is
>> about 56mpg and the Golf is also faster than the XD, XD 4.1lt had
>> 94kw, the 1.4lt turbo Golf has 110kw.
>> Whilst it may be cool to own an XD I'd rather drive the Golf:-)
>
> It depends what you're doing and where you're going for mine.

Yeah, wankers with little dicks like to drive their big trucks around,
compensation you see!
>
> I've been driving the Santa Fe a lot lately as the ute is getting a
> make-over in preparation for being sold, as as much as I find the Santa
> Fe to be relatively boring it *is* quite a remarkably comfortable car to
> drive over any distance. Like yesterday for example I drove it to
> Daylesford  to pick up this Stereo I've bought for my kid for his
> birthday, and it's just one of those cars where you can sit back, don't
> have to think too much about what you're doing and be comfortable for a
> hour while you drive through the countryside.
>
> By comparison, a few weeks ago the wife was coming home from a work
> drinky-do on the train and I was picking her up from the Bacchus
> station, and because she'd had a few Vodka's and had a comfortable seat
> in her carriage she fell asleep and missed the stop. So I had to drive
> to fucking *Ballan* to pick her up which is a half hour shoot up the
> Western Freeway, and that was an experience for at 60mph this thing sits
> on 3000rpm, is all over the road and drinks fuel so bad you can actually
> see the fuel needle move while you're looking at it :)
>
> When it gets it's Jag front and rear upgrade it will be significantly
> better, but for now it's "sweet spot" is about 40 miles per hour :)

Hey Darren, it drives like a truck because it *is* a truck.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 1:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 12:40 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 12:32 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 12:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Well said felix. Not only does he not care enough about his kid to
>>>> put a seat belt on him as he is legally required to do, he doesn't
>>>> care enough to put his infantile grudges aside either.
>>>>
>>>> Pathetic really.
>>>>
>>>
>>> sure is!
>>
>> Really? So you can make 100 posts a month calling me a "fraud", a
>> "liar" and whatever else you care to invent, yet you make one offer
>> to help and
>
> Hey Darren, you are the one who *invented* your trade career,
> including 3 apprenticeships, two trade qualifications and 15 years of
> business ownership. Since all are fake and fraudulent, anyone and
> everyone is fully *justified* in calling you a *fraud*, a *liar* and
> whatever other appropriate *epithet* comes to mind.
>
>> all that's just supposed to be forgotten in an instant and we're best
>> buddies?
>>
>> For fuck's sake. How many unicorns do you have parked in your garage? :)
>
> Your *shed* is full of them. Are you breeding them or what?
>>
>> What's "pathetic" is that it doesn't matter *what* I do or say around
>> here, it only ever becomes yet *another* excuse for the no life
>> losers to fire up with there incessant bullshit just like what's
>> going on here.
>
> The no life loser here is you Darren. You had to compensate for being
> a no life loser by *inventing* a career in automotive.
>>
>> Oh, and Felix, just to give you an idea of how completely fucking
>> clueless your buddy here is, Seat belts in Australia never became
>> compulsory until 1969 for front seat passengers, and 1971 for all seats.
>>
>> My truck was built in 1956. Do the math.....
>
> If seat belts are *fitted*, they *must be worn*, regardless of when
> the vehicle was built or whether they were an OEM fitment. If
> seatbelts are retrofitted on a pre-1969 vehicle, you either wear them
> or remove them from the vehicle. There is no *legal* alternative.
>
>
 another fact he can't cope with

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