On 12/04/2022 1:25 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 9:38 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 11:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 9:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Thanks Trev. I appreciate it. If you manage to find one let me
>>>>> know here and I'll organise purchasing it from you.
>>>>
>>>> **If I find one, you can have it for free. Maybe you can spring for
>>>> postage.
>>>
>>> With pleasure. Just let me know if you come across one and I'll get
>>> it organised.
>>>
>>>>> This unit has already been restored which is why I bought it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate that this unit isn't at the high end of the used
>>>>> stereo market, but it's more the novelty aspect of it at the
>>>>> moment than the quality. If he develops an ear for vinyl and wants
>>>>> to take it further he can get something decent down the track.
>>>>
>>>> **OK. Makes sense. The turntable/s to look out for, with serious
>>>> retro-cred are old Dual turntables. 1214, 1216, 1218, 1219. The
>>>> last two digits indicate ascending levels of quality. Later models
>>>> are: 1224, 1226, 1228, 1229 (the 1229Q was the ultimate variant and
>>>> one I have never seen). Same deal. A 1218 is superior quality to a
>>>> 1226 for instance, despite being older. Earlier models were 1015,
>>>> 1016, 1019, etc (those whacky Germans). My second turntable,
>>>> purchased in 1972, for $150.00, was a Dual 1218. In classic German
>>>> tradition, it is likely to still be operating perfectly (assuming
>>>> it has been serviced) today.
>>>>
>>>> The reasons:
>>>>
>>>> * High quality, four pole (not cheap, shitty two pole) motors.
>>>> * Heavy, cast, dynamically balanced platters (not pressed steel,
>>>> unbalanced ones).
>>>> * Tone arms (in the 1218 and above) are very well designed and
>>>> constructed) are designed for magnetic cartridges.
>>>> * Spare parts are challenging to obtain, but available.
>>>> * The auto mechanism is very well resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Another possibly is Elac. Rarer and not quite as well designed as
>>>> the Dual, the Elac units are exceptionally robust. Made in Germany
>>>> too.
>>>
>>> Saved for future reference, thanks.
>>>
>>>>>> Oh and one more thing: NEVER use those spindles for LPs that are
>>>>>> valuable. Auto turntables damage LPs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'm aware of that. The bloke who sold me the unit said
>>>>> exactly the same thing, and I can remember the effects of them
>>>>> from my own youth.
>>>>>
>>>>> My kid has developed a love of all things 1960's and 70's, and is
>>>>> particularly fascinated by old "cabinet style" stereograms.
>>>>> Especially the auto loaders. This unit isn't one of those big old
>>>>> things as it's just a turntable, but it's kinda cool, sounds great
>>>>> and has all the "retro" features he'll like:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME99K5P
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME99K5Q
>>>>
>>>> **OK. Interestingly, Rolls is one of the few (the only, AFAIK) that
>>>> used Dual turntables for some of their models. Dual turntables were
>>>> significantly more expensive that BSR and Garrard ones. However,
>>>> with a little dedication and some woodworking skills, you could
>>>> 'hot-rod' that stereo with some better components. Depends on how
>>>> much effort you want to commit. It would not be a hugely difficult
>>>> job.
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is the original turntable that shipped with the
>>> unit when it was new. I've had a bit of a ferret around and can't
>>> find a pic of this particular one for reference and it didn't come
>>> with any manuals so I can't tell you if it's been retrofitted or not.
>>>
>>> As I said, it works well and sounds great,
>>
>>
>> sounds great? methinks noddy has a hearing problem, lol
>>
>>
>
>
> First he claims his hearing his shot, now he says it sounds great.
>
> How could he possibly know?
>
> Notice how nice he can be when he wants something?

yes, I did!

> Typical narcissist/sociopath behaviour... he ticks every box.
>

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On 12/04/2022 1:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter.
>>>> If I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the
>>>> UK, then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>>
>>>
>>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>>
>> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>>
>> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
>> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
>> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt
>> his opinion at all.
>>
>> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as
>
> A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?
>
>> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that
>> works okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first
>> introduction into older vinyl records.
>>
>> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
>> something decent down the track.
>>
>>
> TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
> any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
> Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
> out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally
> when I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either
> but it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.
>

you only have to play a new record a few times (maybe even just once!)
on turntables with ceramic cartridges to ruin it for any high end hifi
use. the high pressure and stiffness of the stylus acts like a chisel
knocking the edges off the high frequency peaks in the record groove.

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On 12/04/2022 1:27 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 9:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>
>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>> recently
>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>> as a
>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>> love
>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>> great
>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual"
>>>> type
>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>
>>
>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>
>>
>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>
>>
>>>   If he ever gets
>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>
>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>
>>
>>> and a couple of
>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>
>>
>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FWIW I gave on vinyl with the first appearance of affordable CD
>>> players but I'm aware there's still a lot of vinyl fans around and by
>>> all accounts there's some excellent turntables still available in
>>> today's market.  If I were a vinyl fan buying records at today's
>>> prices I'd also be looking to record them on tape via a decent
>>> turntable for normal listening.
>>
>>
>> yes recording LP's is the way to go, then just store the records
>>
>>
>
> I recorded my Dire Straits Brothers in Arms vinyl to CD. Only way to
> go if you intend to actually listen to an "vinyl" album on a regular
> basis.

except CD's are digital audio and vinyl is for analog sound
reproduction. that's why the sound of vinyl is different, so recording
to digital the sound will never be the same. but for most ppl the
difference is not significant enough to outweigh the convenience of CD's.

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On 12/4/2022 5:03 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter.
>>>>> If I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the
>>>>> UK, then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>>>
>>> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>>>
>>> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
>>> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
>>> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt
>>> his opinion at all.
>>>
>>> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as
>>
>> A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?
>>
>>> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that
>>> works okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first
>>> introduction into older vinyl records.
>>>
>>> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
>>> something decent down the track.
>>>
>>>
>> TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
>> any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
>> Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
>> out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally
>> when I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either
>> but it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.
>>
>
> you only have to play a new record a few times (maybe even just once!)
> on turntables with ceramic cartridges to ruin it for any high end hifi
> use. the high pressure and stiffness of the stylus acts like a chisel
> knocking the edges off the high frequency peaks in the record groove.
>
Yes, you are right. The better the quality of the stylus, the less
damage is done.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/4/2022 4:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 3:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 3:09 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Sorry, that should read "I drove the F-100 down to pick her up from
>>> Bacchus Station"....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I figured that out:-)
>> Speaking of the train, I went to the Grand Prix last Friday and went
>> by train and tram, first time I've caught the train from BM, cost me
>> $9.20 return, sure beats driving into the city:-)
>
> Yeah, it's pretty reasonable, and it's not a bad ride either according
> to the wife. She was training it pre covid, takes the train into
> Southern Corss and a tram up Bourke St and she's in the office.
>
> Saves a hundred and fifty a week for car parking.
>
>
>
Very likely quicker too, certainly less stressful not having to deal
with peak hour traffic.

--
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On 12/04/2022 1:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 10:01 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 9:45 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:27 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> You're an absolute *embarrassment*. You know how you stated
>>>> yesterday that "you think I'm stupid"? Well, this is a perfect
>>>> example of *why* people do. You've managed to do little here other
>>>> than to make a complete spectacle of yourself, and somehow that's
>>>> *my* fault all because I wasn't interested in taking you up on your
>>>> offer.
>>>>
>>>> You are *remarkably* fragile pal....
>>>>
>>>
>>> clocky posted *facts*.
>>
>> Did he? Which had exactly *what* to do with anything being discussed
>> here?
>>
>> If you were standing in a bar having a conversation with someone and
>> a third person walks up at random talking about rubbish that has
>> nothing at all to do with what you were talking about, would you
>> consider that to be normal?
>>
>> No, I wouldn't either :)
>
> Been here before Darren, and the same applies. This is a *public
> forum* and anyone can respond in any manner they desire.

and he's lying too of course, as usual. Clocky's comments were relevant,
not 'rubbish'.

> You do it all the time so why should others not enjoy that same liberty?
>>
>>> and all you had to do was say 'thanks' to my offer and you would
>>> have your spindle.
>>
>> But I didn't want one from you Felix. I'm sorry that you're offended by
>
> What a sook. Must be time for you to burst into tears and run away.
>
>> that, but you need to put your big boy undies on and appreciate that
>> just because you offer something to someone doesn't mean they're
>> obligated to take you up on it.
>
> You need some big boy undies! Seems like you've shit yours.

LOL

>>
>> Seriously, you're being remarkably childish here....
>>
>>> now you can knock yourself out trying to find one.
>>
>> Shouldn't be too hard, should it? You reckon all I need to do is look
>> on ebay and I'll find one easily :)

if there's none there, he could ring some audio/hifi retailers and ask
them if they have any, or can suggest where he can get one. I guess he
hasn't figured that out yet. he aint the brightest spark plug in the engine!

>>
>>> but save your fingers typing. your warped thinking, lies,
>>> distortions, and opinion are of no worth. (back to 'yosemite sam'
>>> for me!)
>>
>> Before you go, just take stock here for a moment and see what's
>> transpired.
>
> Yeah, you have reverted to type. Nothing new there.
>>
>> You offered a spindle. Not for me, because you wouldn't do it for me,
>> but for my kid. You want to talk about insults, right? Apparently
>> that little side swipe of yours right there is fine, but me saying
>> "no thank you, I'd rather not deal with you but thanks anyway" is an
>> affront that you seem to be suffering a disproportionate amount of
>> butt-hurt over and are trying your level best to make me out to be a
>> arsehole *just* because I wasn't interested in what you were offering.
>>
>> I'm tipping that no matter how much you look at this you won't see
>> anything other than yourself as a hard done by victim, and *this* is
>> why people think you're an idiot.
>>
> You looking in that mirror again Darren?
>

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On 12/04/2022 1:59 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 1:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:22 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2022 9:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 9:28 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 12/4/2022 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> As a follow up, have a read here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/consumers-fume-after-us-postal-service-suspends-australian-deliveries-20211001-p58wb8.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's old news that's been going on longer than my experience
>>>>>> suggests, and while I would think that it's slowly returning to
>>>>>> normal there are clearly still some businesses affected by it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> My wife wants a book from the USA, can't get it via normal postage
>>>>> for the same reason but international couriers such as DHL will
>>>>> ship it but the cost is insane, can't remember the exact numbers
>>>>> but shipping is something like double the price of the book.
>>>>> She had it sent to the address of a mates mother in LA but still no
>>>>> luck getting it shipped here at a reasonable price.
>>>>
>>>> It's certainly frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> I ordered a new forward tilt bonnet mechanism for my F-100 a few
>>>> months ago which was something like 300 bucks US, and another
>>>> hundred for postage. Paid for it, got all the automated emails
>>>> saying everything was cool with an expected delivery date only for
>>>> it to be cancelled the next say with the seller saying USPS won't
>>>> ship to Australia. He wasn't interested in dealing with another
>>>> shipping company, so I looked around for one through someone else as
>>>> there are many companies selling them.
>>>>
>>>> I could find plenty who were happy to ship through international
>>>> couriers, but then the shipping price went from a hundred bucks to
>>>> nearly 400 bucks which makes it absolutely ridiculous :)
>>>>
>>>> Just like this auto spindle I'm chasing. There's a few people in the
>>>> US selling them on ebay, but anyone who is willing to ship through a
>>>> courier is charging massive postage fees. 22 bucks for the spindle,
>>>> and almost a hundred to ship it.
>>>>
>>> That's life under Covid, get used to it. FWIW, it has always been
>>> expensive shipping stuff from the US. That's why I do most of my
>>> purchasing from the UK.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Most books are available from other sources or through other means,
>> you just need to be a bit creative and smart about it. But just listen
>> to those two cranks whining about their first world problems...
>>
> Indeed. There are very few books, as an example, that I cannot get from
> the UK. What's more, often the postage/shipping is a dollar or two. In a
> lot of cases, the book is a dollar or two and the postage $10+. The
> internet is fantastic for sourcing rare books.
>

Why would you need to buy any hard-copy books when you can get e-books
via Kindle etc ?

On 12/4/2022 6:51 pm, Max wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:59 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 1:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:22 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 12/4/2022 9:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 9:28 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/4/2022 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a follow up, have a read here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/consumers-fume-after-us-postal-service-suspends-australian-deliveries-20211001-p58wb8.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's old news that's been going on longer than my experience
>>>>>>> suggests, and while I would think that it's slowly returning to
>>>>>>> normal there are clearly still some businesses affected by it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife wants a book from the USA, can't get it via normal postage
>>>>>> for the same reason but international couriers such as DHL will
>>>>>> ship it but the cost is insane, can't remember the exact numbers
>>>>>> but shipping is something like double the price of the book.
>>>>>> She had it sent to the address of a mates mother in LA but still
>>>>>> no luck getting it shipped here at a reasonable price.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's certainly frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ordered a new forward tilt bonnet mechanism for my F-100 a few
>>>>> months ago which was something like 300 bucks US, and another
>>>>> hundred for postage. Paid for it, got all the automated emails
>>>>> saying everything was cool with an expected delivery date only for
>>>>> it to be cancelled the next say with the seller saying USPS won't
>>>>> ship to Australia. He wasn't interested in dealing with another
>>>>> shipping company, so I looked around for one through someone else
>>>>> as there are many companies selling them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could find plenty who were happy to ship through international
>>>>> couriers, but then the shipping price went from a hundred bucks to
>>>>> nearly 400 bucks which makes it absolutely ridiculous :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like this auto spindle I'm chasing. There's a few people in
>>>>> the US selling them on ebay, but anyone who is willing to ship
>>>>> through a courier is charging massive postage fees. 22 bucks for
>>>>> the spindle, and almost a hundred to ship it.
>>>>>
>>>> That's life under Covid, get used to it. FWIW, it has always been
>>>> expensive shipping stuff from the US. That's why I do most of my
>>>> purchasing from the UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Most books are available from other sources or through other means,
>>> you just need to be a bit creative and smart about it. But just
>>> listen to those two cranks whining about their first world problems...
>>>
>> Indeed. There are very few books, as an example, that I cannot get
>> from the UK. What's more, often the postage/shipping is a dollar or
>> two. In a lot of cases, the book is a dollar or two and the postage
>> $10+. The internet is fantastic for sourcing rare books.
>>
>
> Why would you need to buy any hard-copy books when you can get e-books
> via Kindle etc ?

I'm sure I mentioned *rare* books. Anyway, FWIW, I am old school and I
quite like reading *real books*. I have, quite literally, shelves full
of books and that's after having culled my collection quite a lot in the
past decade or two since I retired.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/04/2022 3:03 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 9:45 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 9:29 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 7:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **I may have one kicking around somewhere. I'll check over Easter.
>>>>> If I can't locate one, then, given they were manufactured in the
>>>>> UK, then that would be the best place to search for spare parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW: The Garrard 3500 is a POS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> depends what you're comparing it to.
>>>
>>> You seem to enjoy stating the obvious, huh? :)
>>>
>>> Trevor deals with high end audio equipment all the time and has an
>>> extensive background in the business which is why I asked him in the
>>> first place. He would know what he's talking about and I don't doubt
>>> his opinion at all.
>>>
>>> I didn't buy this thing because it was high end (or not). I bought it as
>>
>> A Garrard autochanger high end? Surely you jest?
>>
>>> it fits the criteria of being an older "retro" styled stereo that
>>> works okay and will fit the bill for a 15 year old's first
>>> introduction into older vinyl records.
>>>
>>> As I said to Trevor, if he gets heavily into vinyl he can get himself
>>> something decent down the track.
>>>
>>>
>> TBH, any modern turntable with a decent head would be way better than
>> any Garrard autochanger. Best to get one now and preserve the vinyl.
>> Teach your son good vinyl habits now. I have a Sansui SR-600 turntable
>> out in the garage still in its original box that I use occasionally
>> when I want to rip a vinyl album to digital. It's not high end either
>> but it's far kinder to vinyl than an ancient autochanger.
>>
>
> you only have to play a new record a few times (maybe even just once!)
> on turntables with ceramic cartridges to ruin it for any high end hifi
> use. the high pressure and stiffness of the stylus acts like a chisel
> knocking the edges off the high frequency peaks in the record groove.
>

Yep, surefire way to ruin a good record.

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it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/04/2022 5:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 4:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 3:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2022 3:09 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Sorry, that should read "I drove the F-100 down to pick her up from
>>>> Bacchus Station"....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I figured that out:-)
>>> Speaking of the train, I went to the Grand Prix last Friday and went
>>> by train and tram, first time I've caught the train from BM, cost me
>>> $9.20 return, sure beats driving into the city:-)
>>
>> Yeah, it's pretty reasonable, and it's not a bad ride either according
>> to the wife. She was training it pre covid, takes the train into
>> Southern Corss and a tram up Bourke St and she's in the office.
>>
>> Saves a hundred and fifty a week for car parking.
>>
>>
>>
> Very likely quicker too, certainly less stressful not having to deal
> with peak hour traffic.

Yep. With the Western Highway/Westgate Freeway being what it is at the
moment, 2hrs for the trip isn't out of the ordinary in peak times.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 12/04/2022 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 12:40 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 12:32 am, Justin Case wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 12:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well said felix. Not only does he not care enough about his kid to
>>>>> put a seat belt on him as he is legally required to do, he doesn't
>>>>> care enough to put his infantile grudges aside either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pathetic really.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sure is!
>>>
>>> Really? So you can make 100 posts a month calling me a "fraud", a
>>> "liar" and whatever else you care to invent, yet you make one offer
>>> to help and
>>
>> Hey Darren, you are the one who *invented* your trade career,
>> including 3 apprenticeships, two trade qualifications and 15 years of
>> business ownership. Since all are fake and fraudulent, anyone and
>> everyone is fully *justified* in calling you a *fraud*, a *liar* and
>> whatever other appropriate *epithet* comes to mind.
>>
>>> all that's just supposed to be forgotten in an instant and we're best
>>> buddies?
>>>
>>> For fuck's sake. How many unicorns do you have parked in your garage? :)
>>
>> Your *shed* is full of them. Are you breeding them or what?
>>>
>>> What's "pathetic" is that it doesn't matter *what* I do or say around
>>> here, it only ever becomes yet *another* excuse for the no life
>>> losers to fire up with there incessant bullshit just like what's
>>> going on here.
>>
>> The no life loser here is you Darren. You had to compensate for being
>> a no life loser by *inventing* a career in automotive.
>>>
>>> Oh, and Felix, just to give you an idea of how completely fucking
>>> clueless your buddy here is, Seat belts in Australia never became
>>> compulsory until 1969 for front seat passengers, and 1971 for all seats.
>>>
>>> My truck was built in 1956. Do the math.....
>>
>> If seat belts are *fitted*, they *must be worn*, regardless of when
>> the vehicle was built or whether they were an OEM fitment. If
>> seatbelts are retrofitted on a pre-1969 vehicle, you either wear them
>> or remove them from the vehicle. There is no *legal* alternative.
>>
>>
>  another fact he can't cope with
>

Correct. If they are fitted they must be worn.

The law is clear on this and it's been explained to him several times
now. He's not only in breach of the law but failing in his parental duty.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

Yosemite Sam wrote:
>On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> Hey Trev,
>>>
>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>
>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I recently
>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual" type
>>> fitted which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>> appear at this point in time. The majority of them were junk even in
>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>
>
>yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge

Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
back in the vinyl era.

>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>
>
>first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>
>
>> If he ever gets
>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>
>otherwise any good amp will suffice

On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
IIRC). Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.

>> and a couple of
>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>
>
>do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now

Even by modern standards their performance was superb. No idea if
they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
interest any of them even in the 1970s).

--
John H

On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>
>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I recently
>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual" type
>>>> fitted which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>> appear at this point in time. The majority of them were junk even in
>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>
>>
>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>
> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
> back in the vinyl era.
>
>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>
>>
>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>
>>
>>> If he ever gets
>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>
>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>
> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
> IIRC). Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>
>>> and a couple of
>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>
>>
>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>
> Even by modern standards their performance was superb. No idea if
> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>

**Like most things, Quad is owned by Chinese today. Quad speakers are
still stunning sounding things, but reliability has taken a hit, due to
transformer manufacture taking place in China.

And yes, even today, used within their limitations, the original Quad
speakers (ESL57) is a fabulous sounding product.

On 12/04/2022 4:51 pm, Max wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:59 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/4/2022 1:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:22 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 12/4/2022 9:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 9:28 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/4/2022 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a follow up, have a read here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/consumers-fume-after-us-postal-service-suspends-australian-deliveries-20211001-p58wb8.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's old news that's been going on longer than my experience
>>>>>>> suggests, and while I would think that it's slowly returning to
>>>>>>> normal there are clearly still some businesses affected by it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife wants a book from the USA, can't get it via normal postage
>>>>>> for the same reason but international couriers such as DHL will
>>>>>> ship it but the cost is insane, can't remember the exact numbers
>>>>>> but shipping is something like double the price of the book.
>>>>>> She had it sent to the address of a mates mother in LA but still
>>>>>> no luck getting it shipped here at a reasonable price.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's certainly frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ordered a new forward tilt bonnet mechanism for my F-100 a few
>>>>> months ago which was something like 300 bucks US, and another
>>>>> hundred for postage. Paid for it, got all the automated emails
>>>>> saying everything was cool with an expected delivery date only for
>>>>> it to be cancelled the next say with the seller saying USPS won't
>>>>> ship to Australia. He wasn't interested in dealing with another
>>>>> shipping company, so I looked around for one through someone else
>>>>> as there are many companies selling them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could find plenty who were happy to ship through international
>>>>> couriers, but then the shipping price went from a hundred bucks to
>>>>> nearly 400 bucks which makes it absolutely ridiculous :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like this auto spindle I'm chasing. There's a few people in
>>>>> the US selling them on ebay, but anyone who is willing to ship
>>>>> through a courier is charging massive postage fees. 22 bucks for
>>>>> the spindle, and almost a hundred to ship it.
>>>>>
>>>> That's life under Covid, get used to it. FWIW, it has always been
>>>> expensive shipping stuff from the US. That's why I do most of my
>>>> purchasing from the UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Most books are available from other sources or through other means,
>>> you just need to be a bit creative and smart about it. But just
>>> listen to those two cranks whining about their first world problems...
>>>
>> Indeed. There are very few books, as an example, that I cannot get
>> from the UK. What's more, often the postage/shipping is a dollar or
>> two. In a lot of cases, the book is a dollar or two and the postage
>> $10+. The internet is fantastic for sourcing rare books.
>>
>
> Why would you need to buy any hard-copy books when you can get e-books
> via Kindle etc ?

Rare books often aren't available and using a Kindle just isn't the same.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>
>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I recently
>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid as a
>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would love
>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds great
>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual" type
>>>> fitted which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>> appear at this point in time. The majority of them were junk even in
>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>
>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
> back in the vinyl era.
>
>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>
>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>
>>
>>> If he ever gets
>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
> IIRC). Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.

valve amps are still being produced for audiophile purists

>
>>> and a couple of
>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>
>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
> Even by modern standards their performance was superb. No idea if
> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>

lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)

--
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On 13/04/2022 7:51 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>> for an
>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>
>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>> recently
>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>>> as a
>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>>> love
>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>> great
>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>
>>>
>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>
>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>> back in the vinyl era.
>>
>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>
>>>
>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>>
>>>
>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>
>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>
>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>
>>>> and a couple of
>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>
>>>
>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>
>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>
>
> **Like most things, Quad is owned by Chinese today. Quad speakers are
> still stunning sounding things, but reliability has taken a hit, due
> to transformer manufacture taking place in China.
>
> And yes, even today, used within their limitations, the original Quad
> speakers (ESL57) is a fabulous sounding product.

Trevor.. Ian Robinson wants to sell his company. if you know anyone who
would be interested, please let him know. I assume you know (of?) him

--
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On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part for an
>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>
>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>> recently
>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>>> as a
>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>>> love
>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>> great
>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short "manual"
>>>>> type
>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>
>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>> back in the vinyl era.
>>
>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>
>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>>
>>>
>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>
>
> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money than sense.

**There, I fixed your statement for you.

>
>
>>
>>>> and a couple of
>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>
>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>
>
> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)

**"Base" (sic) was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were
their biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when the
Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly equal to a
good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the Quads occupied
considerably more real estate.

Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a single
speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an ancient
speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.

https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/

On 13/04/2022 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>> England,
>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>> would love
>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>
>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>
>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>
>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>> records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>
>>
>> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money
>> than sense.
>
> **There, I fixed your statement for you.
>

LOL. I have no experience with them but supposedly they provide a
'warmer' sound which brings out the 'qualities' of vynl, or so the hype
goes.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>
>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>
>>
>> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)
>
> **"Base" (sic) was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were
> their biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
> siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when the
> Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly equal to
> a good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the Quads
> occupied considerably more real estate.
>
> Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a single
> speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an ancient
> speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.
>
> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/
>

mono audio predates my experience in the industry. but this discussion
has reminded me of JVC's failed attempt to make 4 channel the standard
for analog music reproduction. now of course we have seven channel
audio, but due solely due to digital audio.

--
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On 13/04/2022 10:26 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 7:51 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in England,
>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my kid
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and would
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>
>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>
>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>
>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>
>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>
>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>>
>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>
>>
>> **Like most things, Quad is owned by Chinese today. Quad speakers are
>> still stunning sounding things, but reliability has taken a hit, due
>> to transformer manufacture taking place in China.
>>
>> And yes, even today, used within their limitations, the original Quad
>> speakers (ESL57) is a fabulous sounding product.
>
>
> Trevor.. Ian Robinson wants to sell his company. if you know anyone who
> would be interested, please let him know. I assume you know (of?) him
>

**Yes, of course I know Ian. He hasn't been well. I don't care for his
product though. A triumph of style over substance. And, it's made in
China. A double-whammy.

On 13/04/2022 9:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>>> England,
>>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>>
>>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>>
>>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>>> records.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>
>>>
>>> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money
>>> than sense.
>>
>> **There, I fixed your statement for you.
>>
>
> LOL. I have no experience with them but supposedly they provide a
> 'warmer' sound which brings out the 'qualities' of vynl, or so the hype
> goes.
>

Well they do sound different, but different isn't necessarily better.

>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>>
>>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>>
>>>
>>> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)
>>
>> **"Base" (sic) was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were
>> their biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
>> siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when the
>> Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly equal to
>> a good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the Quads
>> occupied considerably more real estate.
>>
>> Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a single
>> speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an ancient
>> speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.
>>
>> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/
>>
>
>
> mono audio predates my experience in the industry. but this discussion
> has reminded me of JVC's failed attempt to make 4 channel the standard
> for analog music reproduction. now of course we have seven channel
> audio, but due solely due to digital audio.
>

It's a bit of a gimmick in itself.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 13/04/2022 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>>> England,
>>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are cool.
>>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and sounds
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk even in
>>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to scratch
>>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>>
>>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>>
>>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>>> records.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>
>>>
>>> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money
>>> than sense.
>>
>> **There, I fixed your statement for you.
>>
>
> LOL. I have no experience with them but supposedly they provide a
> 'warmer' sound which brings out the 'qualities' of vynl, or so the hype
> goes.

**Some do, some don't. It depends on the technology and topology chosen
by the designer. The valve amps that would 'warm', do so because they
lack a good frequency response at the extremes. Here is the frequency
response of a 'perfect' amplifier (Fig.1):

https://www.stereophile.com/content/boulder-amplifiers-2150-monoblock-power-amplifier-measurements

Note the black line (which is buried among the other lines). That
represents the frequency response of a 'perfect' amplifier, when
operating into a simulated loudspeaker.

Here is a valve amp (Fig.3):

https://www.stereophile.com/content/cary-audio-cad-805rs-monoblock-power-amplifier-measurements

Note the black line.

The graphs indicate the audibility of the flaws within an amplifier. The
flatter that black line is, the better.

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>>
>>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available now
>>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>>
>>>
>>> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)
>>
>> **"Base" (sic) was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were
>> their biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
>> siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when the
>> Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly equal to
>> a good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the Quads
>> occupied considerably more real estate.
>>
>> Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a single
>> speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an ancient
>> speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.
>>
>> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/
>>
>
>
> mono audio predates my experience in the industry.

**Moon Audio products are over-priced, over-hyped shit.

but this discussion
> has reminded me of JVC's failed attempt to make 4 channel the standard
> for analog music reproduction. now of course we have seven channel
> audio, but due solely due to digital audio.

**Well, we have multi-channel audio for a host of reasons, including:

* Costs have fallen significantly.
* Technology has improved, allowing true surround sound to be attained.
* Manufacturers saw sales of stereo starting to fall and needed people
to spend money on the 'next big thing'.

On 13/04/2022 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> mono audio predates my experience in the industry.

**Oops. I need to change my glasses. Again.

On 13/04/2022 11:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 10:26 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 7:51 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>>> England,
>>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are
>>>>>>> cool.
>>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and
>>>>>>> sounds great
>>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they may
>>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk
>>>>>> even in
>>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to
>>>>>> scratch
>>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>>
>>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>>
>>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it but
>>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>>> records.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>>
>>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>>
>>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>>
>>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers available
>>>>> now
>>>>
>>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Like most things, Quad is owned by Chinese today. Quad speakers
>>> are still stunning sounding things, but reliability has taken a hit,
>>> due to transformer manufacture taking place in China.
>>>
>>> And yes, even today, used within their limitations, the original
>>> Quad speakers (ESL57) is a fabulous sounding product.
>>
>>
>> Trevor.. Ian Robinson wants to sell his company. if you know anyone
>> who would be interested, please let him know. I assume you know (of?)
>> him
>>
>
> **Yes, of course I know Ian. He hasn't been well. I don't care for his
> product though. A triumph of style over substance. And, it's made in
> China. A double-whammy.

I wasn't aware he hasn't been well. haven't spoken to him for quite some
time. I should give him a call. and his products are *assembled* in
China, as just about any product is these days, but to his high spec
design and tolerances. back in the very early days I designed and hosted
his website until Lindy took over.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 13/04/2022 12:07 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 9:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>>>> England,
>>>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are
>>>>>>>> cool.
>>>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and
>>>>>>>> sounds great
>>>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk
>>>>>>> even in
>>>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to
>>>>>>> scratch
>>>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>>>> records.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money
>>>> than sense.
>>>
>>> **There, I fixed your statement for you.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. I have no experience with them but supposedly they provide a
>> 'warmer' sound which brings out the 'qualities' of vynl, or so the
>> hype goes.
>>
>
> Well they do sound different, but different isn't necessarily better.

ppl will spend their $$$ on whatever floats their boat

>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers
>>>>>> available now
>>>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)
>>>
>>> **"Bass was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were their
>>> biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
>>> siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when
>>> the Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly
>>> equal to a good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the
>>> Quads occupied considerably more real estate.
>>>
>>> Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a
>>> single speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an
>>> ancient speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.
>>>
>>> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/
>>>
>>
>>
>> mono audio predates my experience in the industry. but this
>> discussion has reminded me of JVC's failed attempt to make 4 channel
>> the standard for analog music reproduction. now of course we have
>> seven channel audio, but due solely due to digital audio.
>>
>
> It's a bit of a gimmick in itself.
>

well, not for movies with a good AV system. I just use 5.1 , 4 speakers
and a sub. that works well in an average size room. except I supplement
the two main (large) speakers with two additional smaller ones. but
nowdays soundbars are more popular. I haven't heard any but I doubt the
same effect can be produced from a single source, although they do have
a sub.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 13/04/2022 1:43 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 12:07 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 9:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 10:24 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 13/04/2022 7:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey Trev,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this is up your alley, but I'm looking for a part
>>>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>>>> antique turntable and wondered if you could help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The turntable in question is a Garrard 3500 that was made in
>>>>>>>>> England,
>>>>>>>>> and the part I'm after is an auto loading spindle to suit it. I
>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>> bought a "Rolls" 1970's era turntable and speaker suite for my
>>>>>>>>> kid as a
>>>>>>>>> birthday present as he's showing a big interest in vinyl and
>>>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>>>> an old fashioned "auto load" record player which he thinks are
>>>>>>>>> cool.
>>>>>>>>> This one that I've bought for him is in mint condition and
>>>>>>>>> sounds great
>>>>>>>>> (to my rooted ears anyway) and while the auto function works it's
>>>>>>>>> missing the auto load spindle and only has a regular short
>>>>>>>>> "manual" type
>>>>>>>>> fitted  which actually prevents the auto function from operating.
>>>>>>>> Just to chuck in my two cents worth you really should convince him
>>>>>>>> that automatic turntables aren't the way to go however cool they
>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>> appear at this point in time.  The majority of them were junk
>>>>>>>> even in
>>>>>>>> their heyday and aside from the sound quality not being up to
>>>>>>>> scratch
>>>>>>>> (pun intended) they can seriously affect the life of records.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes that turntable has a ceramic cartridge
>>>>>> Which is but a small part of its problems, Garrard did however make
>>>>>> decent stand alone turntables which were popular among enthusiasts
>>>>>> back in the vinyl era.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he only intends playing old (and well worn) records go for it
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> otherwise best not encourage him down that path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> first he needs a good turntable and magnetic cartridge with an
>>>>>>> elliptical stylus for good sound quality and not to damage the
>>>>>>> records.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    If he ever gets
>>>>>>>> really keen he'll also be wanting a valve amplifier
>>>>>>> otherwise any good amp will suffice
>>>>>> On the assumption he'll want to stick with vintage stuff a Williamson
>>>>>> valve amp is what he'll probably aspire to (they date from the 1950s
>>>>>> IIRC).  Many of today's vinyl fans still don't like solid state amps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> valve amps are still being produced for idiots, who have more money
>>>>> than sense.
>>>>
>>>> **There, I fixed your statement for you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. I have no experience with them but supposedly they provide a
>>> 'warmer' sound which brings out the 'qualities' of vynl, or so the
>>> hype goes.
>>>
>>
>> Well they do sound different, but different isn't necessarily better.
>
>
> ppl will spend their $$$ on whatever floats their boat
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and a couple of
>>>>>>>> Quad electrostatic speakers as well unless he finally realises that
>>>>>>>> the base is shithouse (read absent).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do they still make them? plenty of other/better speakers
>>>>>>> available now
>>>>>> Even by modern standards their performance was superb.  No idea if
>>>>>> they're still made but back in the days of my youth any of the
>>>>>> audiophiles I knew either owned or wanted one (stereo didn't much
>>>>>> interest any of them even in the 1970s).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> lack of base was their biggest drawback (as you previously noted)
>>>>
>>>> **"Bass was OK, but efficiency and the ability to go loud were their
>>>> biggest stumbling blocks. The bass response was actually not
>>>> siginficantly inferior to most speakers of the time (1950s), when
>>>> the Quad ESL57 was released. By the 1970s, the Quads were roughly
>>>> equal to a good quality bookshelf speaker, though, of course, the
>>>> Quads occupied considerably more real estate.
>>>>
>>>> Always remember that the Quad ESL57 was released and sold as a
>>>> single speaker, since stereo had yet to be invented. For such an
>>>> ancient speaker system, it still offers an astonishing result.
>>>>
>>>> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/bbc-dip-does-it-sound-like-quad-esl57.238529/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mono audio predates my experience in the industry. but this
>>> discussion has reminded me of JVC's failed attempt to make 4 channel
>>> the standard for analog music reproduction. now of course we have
>>> seven channel audio, but due solely due to digital audio.
>>>
>>
>> It's a bit of a gimmick in itself.
>>
>
> well, not for movies with a good AV system. I just use 5.1 , 4 speakers
> and a sub. that works well in an average size room. except I supplement
> the two main (large) speakers with two additional smaller ones. but
> nowdays soundbars are more popular. I haven't heard any but I doubt the
> same effect can be produced from a single source, although they do have
> a sub.
>

**This is very clever:

https://www.jbl.com.au/JBL+Bar+5.1.html

Of course, sound quality is limited, as would expect, but you do get
true 5.1 sound.