In article <slrnuaj0ug.1nfa6.julian@n6are.com>, Julian Macassey
<julian@n6are.com> on Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 15:42:08 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:11:30 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
><tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>> Tone wrote:
>>
>>> I've often felt that lifeboat crews could usefully use them. They are
>>> always saying that it is hard to spot somebody in the water from sea
>>> level, but from the air? Helicopter rescue crews have a search
>>> advantage. Why not drones?
>>
>> short battery life, not liking wind much, only one place to land in case
>> of prombles?
>>
>> Just stick a camera on a long pole above the lifeboat?
>
> Tethered baloon?

In a force nine it might well be the life boat that is tethered to the
balloon, if you see what I mean.

IIRC at one stage big balloons tethered to big ships on the end of a
long strong piece of string were used in an attempt to detect submarines
that were following convoys. Not stupid, as submarines by and large
followed convoys on the surface as their duration and speed under water
was very limited.
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In article <u8bphg$1ojk3$1@dont-email.me>, Tone <tone@email.com> on
Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 14:49:36 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 08/07/2023 14:21, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 03:32:54 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Tone
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSWYil8FdY
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CRCwsNtKj0
>>
>> John T.
>
>
>I've often felt that lifeboat crews could usefully use them. They are
>always saying that it is hard to spot somebody in the water from sea
>level, but from the air? Helicopter rescue crews have a search
>advantage. Why not drones?
>
>Tone
In a Force 9, 2 Mark 1 Eyeballs are rather better at compensating for
the unstable platform of a Sea King helicopter than a camera on a much
smaller drone with a gimballed stabilised camera? Probably been tried,
but then I am landlubber and know nothing.
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On 2023-07-08, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnuaj0ug.1nfa6.julian@n6are.com>, Julian Macassey
><julian@n6are.com> on Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 15:42:08 awoke Nicholas from
> his slumbers and wrote
>>On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:11:30 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
>><tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> Tone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've often felt that lifeboat crews could usefully use them. They are
>>>> always saying that it is hard to spot somebody in the water from sea
>>>> level, but from the air? Helicopter rescue crews have a search
>>>> advantage. Why not drones?
>>>
>>> short battery life, not liking wind much, only one place to land in case
>>> of prombles?
>>>
>>> Just stick a camera on a long pole above the lifeboat?
>>
>> Tethered baloon?
>
> In a force nine it might well be the life boat that is tethered to the
> balloon, if you see what I mean.
>
> IIRC at one stage big balloons tethered to big ships on the end of a
> long strong piece of string were used in an attempt to detect submarines
> that were following convoys. Not stupid, as submarines by and large
> followed convoys on the surface as their duration and speed under water
> was very limited.

As I Understand it. It amazes me that when lifeboats and helicopters go
to rescue people, it is the boat that finds and rescues them.

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On 08/07/2023 03:32, Tone wrote:

> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
> involved.

Made me unforget P G Woodhouse & his mention of The Drones Club.

In article <g3kqM.147528$fNr5.45814@fx16.iad>, Sam Plusnet
<not@home.com> on Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 21:55:41 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 08/07/2023 03:32, Tone wrote:
>
>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>> involved.
>
>Made me unforget P G Woodhouse & his mention of The Drones Club.
>
OT tonight's Infinite Monkey Cage was about Bees and Wasps, including
drones, but not Jeeves or Bertie
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On 08/07/2023 18:08, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 08/07/2023 12:52, Tone wrote:
>> On 08/07/2023 07:13, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> On 08/07/2023 03:32, Tone wrote:
>>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've
>>>> always loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing
>>>> is out of the question.
>>>>
>>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming
>>>> from above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can
>>>> drive to but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>>
>>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>>
>>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>>
>>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out
>>>> what's involved.
>>>
>>> I might be able to supply a professional drone/photographer contact.
>>>
>>> Does your 'public' emu jbex?
>>>
>>
>> No, but fabfolkandblues atty gmail dotty co does.
>
> I'll snendidorff - he can't complain 'cos he publishes it in our Parish
> Mag.
>
> He seems to make a living at it so his advice *might* be hfrshy.
>

Oki doki. It will be a few weeks before I can afford it, but I will
contact him at the time.

cheers

Tone

On 08/07/2023 18:12, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 08/07/2023 07:35, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-07-08, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Tone
>>
>> A serious drone will, last time I checked. cost you around 15000
>
> Fifteen grand - run away!
>

I'm not planning to blow up the Kremlin. Bu then again......

Tone

On 08/07/2023 20:34, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> IIRC at one stage big balloons tethered to big ships on the end of a
> long strong piece of string were used in an attempt to detect submarines
> that were following convoys. Not stupid, as submarines by and large
> followed convoys on the surface as their duration and speed under water
> was very limited.

http://www.navtechlife.com/Naval%20Balloons%20and%20Airships.htm

Tone

On 08/07/2023 19:53, John Williamson wrote:
> On 08/07/2023 16:49, Tone wrote:
>> On 08/07/2023 16:24, John Williamson wrote:
>>> On
>>>> I've often felt that lifeboat crews could usefully use them. They are
>>>> always saying that it is hard to spot somebody in the water from sea
>>>> level, but from the air? Helicopter rescue crews have a search
>>>> advantage. Why not drones?
>>>>
>>>> Tone
>>> They (RNLI?) are already using drones that can land on water to search
>>> for boaters wot 'ave gone for an unexpected swim.
>>>
>>
>> Wasn't aware of that John.
>>
>> Tone
> I nonly caught the article 'cos Iron stuck it in my feed. They are using
> them on an experimental basis.
>
> https://www.unmannedairspace.info/latest-news-and-information/drones-start-to-make-headway-in-uk-maritime-search-and-rescue-operations/attachment/rnli-1/
>

That was 2019 and it was a year's trial.

Can't find owt more recent.

Quote:

"While Roberts can’t foresee drones taking off from lifeboats, quite
yet, he points out there is technology being created to allow them to
land on unstable platforms. Also, in the future, they may have
all-weather marinisation systems and a battery-life sufficient for a
search to be conducted safely and effectively."

Maybe it will happen, particularly if they can incorporate heat seeking
cameras that the ecilop already use in heliocopeters at night

Tone

RustyHinge wrote:

> maus wrote:
>
>> A serious drone will, last time I checked. cost you around 15000
>
> Fifteen grand - run away!

jeez, i thought he said 1500 when I wrote "1/3 of that", so 1/30th ...

On 2023-07-09, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> maus wrote:
>>
>>> A serious drone will, last time I checked. cost you around 15000
>>
>> Fifteen grand - run away!
>
> jeez, i thought he said 1500 when I wrote "1/3 of that", so 1/30th ...
>
>
You can buy a tiny drone for small money, but when I looked for
something that would do what Tone wanted, I arrived at that figure. I
heard the story about how dangerous they were from someone in, I hink,
West Wales, where I was told that someone was flying one and hit a
person on the head.

The Gypsy story was from when I went to see my sister, and as we were
standing outside, a drone flew around her back garden. I think the
person controlling the drone would have to be within a couple of hundred
yards of us.

She later sold that house and moved in with her son who lives in a
Dublin Housing Estate, the sort of place in which, if you irritate the
neighbours, they will personally call to express their anger.

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For goodness sake though get some form of public liability insurance, just
in case it malfunctions and hits somebody. You now have to get into these
things if you fly model aircraft as well, as if its an open public area,
some persons are very unpredictable.
Just don't overly anyone's property without permission, or fly anywhere
near an airfield, since they for some reason don't like it I'm told. I'd
love to be sighted nowadays with the sophisticated drones and models around
what can relay video back to you.
Brian

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"Tone" <tone@email.com> wrote in message
news:u8bimo$1nu88$1@dont-email.me...
> On 08/07/2023 07:13, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 08/07/2023 03:32, Tone wrote:
>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>> involved.
>>
>> I might be able to supply a professional drone/photographer contact.
>>
>> Does your 'public' emu jbex?
>>
>
> No, but fabfolkandblues atty gmail dotty co does.
>
> Tone

On 08/07/2023 14:21, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 03:32:54 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>
>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>> the question.
>>
>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>
>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>
>> There are also licensing issues.
>>
>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>> involved.
>>
>> Tone
>>
>
>
> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :

That'll be very useful for prospective bergulars then? - espcially if
the property is unoccupied!

Chris

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 13:39:27 +0100, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 08/07/2023 14:21, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 03:32:54 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Tone
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :
>
>That'll be very useful for prospective bergulars then? - espcially if
>the property is unoccupied!
>
>Chris
>

That might-well-be true - but selling is showing < staging >
and selling is what it's all about.
Video clips and interactive tours have been in use for years -
the aerial view might provide some additional info but not
where the wall safe < or gun safe > is nor the Lexus
in the garage ..
John T.

"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in
news:u8e66r$24cu6$1@dont-email.me:

> For goodness sake though get some form of public liability insurance,
> just in case it malfunctions and hits somebody. You now have to get
> into these things if you fly model aircraft as well, as if its an open
> public area, some persons are very unpredictable.
> Just don't overly anyone's property without permission, or fly
> anywhere
> near an airfield, since they for some reason don't like it I'm told.
> I'd love to be sighted nowadays with the sophisticated drones and
> models around what can relay video back to you.

I don't think a drone would be appreciated round here. We're on the
flighpaths for Heathrow, Gatwick, Farnborough (as in "airshow") and
Blackbush (a small but busy airport for business jets and the like).

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hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings

Over here, using a drone for that sort of thing would make it
"professional use" and require in sewer ants, maybe different registration.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 20:21:14 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
<tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings
>
>Over here, using a drone for that sort of thing would make it
>"professional use" and require in sewer ants, maybe different registration.
>

If permits and insurance are required, I'm sure that they
would simply hire a Drones-R-Us professional.
I can imagine it being a 2 - 3 hour job - given a 45 minute
drive each way and an hour of flying ..
John T.

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
> > Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings
>
> Over here, using a drone for that sort of thing would make it
> "professional use" and require in sewer ants, maybe different registration.

In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.

<https://www.caa.co.uk/drones/rules-and-categories-of-drone-flying/introduction-to-drone-flying-and-the-uk-rules/>

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Sn!pe wrote:

> In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
> operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.

That was why I suggested the sub-250g category, which is mainly for fun,
but are very capable chamines for about 500zu. You can get 4K vijo,
give it a course to follow, ask it to do fancy smooth swirling around
shots, control it from a phobile, and it'll automagically check before
taking off that it's not near to a forbidden place (airports, stadiums,
his majesty's hotels etc)

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:42:24 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
<tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

>Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
>> operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.
>
>That was why I suggested the sub-250g category, which is mainly for fun,
>but are very capable chamines for about 500zu. You can get 4K vijo,
>give it a course to follow, ask it to do fancy smooth swirling around
>shots, control it from a phobile, and it'll automagically check before
>taking off that it's not near to a forbidden place (airports, stadiums,
>his majesty's hotels etc)
>

Thanks for the heads-up on drone weight 250 grams.
The models that I was perusing were about 2 X that weight.

Just an example :

https://tinyurl.com/3rvuuc9e

HolyStone HS 700E kit $ 365. Canuck Bucks.

But Canada apparently has the 250 gram limit also :

https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-canada/

I'll reconsider.
John T.

On 2023-07-09, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings
>
> Over here, using a drone for that sort of thing would make it
> "professional use" and require in sewer ants, maybe different registration.

Insurance for robot things was very early stage, when I last took an
interest, about 10 years ago. For instance, if a stone is dislodged and
bounces off a front tractor tyre, and hits a control unit on a tractor
(or any robotic things) so the robot heads towards the nearest road, how
do you stop it?. Not hard in Western Kansas, where roads are scarce, but
in a Midlands England.

I have seen vvarious guesstimates, usuall talking of a minimum payout,
and the owner/operator responsible of anything over that, but if the
robot hits a car with a family in it, you are talking millions.

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On 2023-07-09, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings
>>
>> Over here, using a drone for that sort of thing would make it
>> "professional use" and require in sewer ants, maybe different registration.
>
> In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
> operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.

Properly so.

>
><https://www.caa.co.uk/drones/rules-and-categories-of-drone-flying/introduction-to-drone-flying-and-the-uk-rules/>
>

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 17:58:45 -0400
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the heads-up on drone weight 250 grams.
> The models that I was perusing were about 2 X that weight.

If it has a camera then it comes under the same rules. The
registration and training are not onerous - it's all online and costs a
fraction of the price of the drone.

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:42:24 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote:
>
> > In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
> > operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.
>
> That was why I suggested the sub-250g category, which is mainly for fun,
> but are very capable chamines for about 500zu. You can get 4K vijo,

If it has a camera and it isn't classified as a toy (those 500zu
ones aren't) then it comes under the same rules as a heavier drone up to
4kg assuming the UK is still following the same rules as the EU.

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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> If it has a camera and it isn't classified as a toy (those 500zu
> ones aren't) then it comes under the same rules as a heavier drone up to
> 4kg assuming the UK is still following the same rules as the EU.

No, I'm pretty certain that sub-250g have a much easier ride in the UK
(and are allowed to fly in more places).