On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 07:45:08 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> > If it has a camera and it isn't classified as a toy (those 500zu
> > ones aren't) then it comes under the same rules as a heavier drone up to
> > 4kg assuming the UK is still following the same rules as the EU.
>
> No, I'm pretty certain that sub-250g have a much easier ride in the UK
> (and are allowed to fly in more places).

Double checked - you have the same rules as the EU. Sub 250g needs
no registration or training unless it has a camera.

From https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/

------------------------------
You do not need to register if you’ll only use a drone or model aircraft
that weighs below 250g and is a toy or does not have a camera.
------------------------------

Once there's a camera on the drone it doesn't matter how small it
is you have to be a registered drone operator unless it's classed as a toy
for under 14s.

It seems easy to get registered and then you can fly anything up to
4kg - or 25kg with more training.

--
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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 03:32:54 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>
>>I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>the question.
>>
>>However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>
>>But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>
>>There are also licensing issues.
>>
>>I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>involved.
>>
>>Tone
>>
>
> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :
>

Estate agents *are* drones.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with
chocolate.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> Double checked -you have the same rules as the EU.

actually the CAA back-tracked and do not recognise the EU drone classes
(e.g. C0)

> Sub 250g needs
> no registration or training unless it has a camera.
> From https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/

also they are not good at keeping their wibble updated,
e.g. that page says

"anyone who will fly must pass a theory test to get a flyer ID"

They have a tendency to say "you must do X" or "you must not do Y" but
then have later exceptions that say <250g is different, e.g.

below 250g - not a toy - with camera
passing the theory test and getting a flyer ID are *NOT* required, but
as you say, it does need an operator ID

> It seems easy to get registered

yes, operator ID requires only zbarl.

> and then you can fly anything up to
> 4kg - or 25kg with more training.

Disgoove 4kg has any significance in the UK, next limit up from 250g is 25kg

On 2023-07-09, hubops@ccanoemail.com <hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:42:24 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
><tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>>Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>>> In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
>>> operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.
>>
>>That was why I suggested the sub-250g category, which is mainly for fun,
>>but are very capable chamines for about 500zu. You can get 4K vijo,
>>give it a course to follow, ask it to do fancy smooth swirling around
>>shots, control it from a phobile, and it'll automagically check before
>>taking off that it's not near to a forbidden place (airports, stadiums,
>>his majesty's hotels etc)
>>
>
> Thanks for the heads-up on drone weight 250 grams.
> The models that I was perusing were about 2 X that weight.
>
> Just an example :
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3rvuuc9e
>
> HolyStone HS 700E kit $ 365. Canuck Bucks.
>
> But Canada apparently has the 250 gram limit also :
>
> https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-canada/
>
> I'll reconsider.
> John T.

Small thing. I have been discussing drones on this group, but not
elsewhere, and when I was looking in Amazon for books later, two books
on drones were inndicated.

God Damn Cookies.

--
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On 10/07/2023 10:59, maus wrote:
> On 2023-07-09, hubops@ccanoemail.com <hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:42:24 +0100, Tease'n'Seize
>> <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>>> In Blighty larger drones above a certain weight (250g) also require
>>>> operator training, an test pass, registration and official permission.
>>>
>>> That was why I suggested the sub-250g category, which is mainly for fun,
>>> but are very capable chamines for about 500zu. You can get 4K vijo,
>>> give it a course to follow, ask it to do fancy smooth swirling around
>>> shots, control it from a phobile, and it'll automagically check before
>>> taking off that it's not near to a forbidden place (airports, stadiums,
>>> his majesty's hotels etc)
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up on drone weight 250 grams.
>> The models that I was perusing were about 2 X that weight.
>>
>> Just an example :
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/3rvuuc9e
>>
>> HolyStone HS 700E kit $ 365. Canuck Bucks.
>>
>> But Canada apparently has the 250 gram limit also :
>>
>> https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-canada/
>>
>> I'll reconsider.
>> John T.
>
>
> Small thing. I have been discussing drones on this group, but not
> elsewhere, and when I was looking in Amazon for books later, two books
> on drones were inndicated.
>
> God Damn Cookies.
>
Set your browser(s) to delete allcookies on exit.

You know it makes sense

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

In article <1lv0wkh7b1gjz$.1onbwifavb2nx.dlg@40tude.net>, Bob Henson
<bob.henson@outlook.com> on Mon, 10 Jul 2023 at 09:49:44 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 03:32:54 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>>I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>>loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>>the question.
>>>
>>>However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>>above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>>but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>>But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>>There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>>I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>>involved.
>>>
>>>Tone
>>>
>>
>> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :
>>
>
>Estate agents *are* drones.
>
Yup, at least twice a week I get letter addressed to 'The Legal Owner'.
Today the letter says 'we are valuing properties in your area'. Just
like 'we are doing work in/on your neighbours house. Can we replace your
roof/windows/driveway for an incredibly low price' Low price until they
start the work and find "problems".

I take it that when they have valued my property, the local builders
will be round like flies on a dead horse.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <1lv0wkh7b1gjz$.1onbwifavb2nx.dlg@40tude.net>, Bob Henson
>>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I've thought of getting a drone also - round tuit ... not.
>>> Real estate agents are using drone videos for rural listings :
>>
>>Estate agents *are* drones.
>>
> Yup, at least twice a week I get letter addressed to 'The Legal Owner'.
> Today the letter says 'we are valuing properties in your area'. Just
> like 'we are doing work in/on your neighbours house. Can we replace your
> roof/windows/driveway for an incredibly low price' Low price until they
> start the work and find "problems".

Failing that, there's always "give us your contact details" and expect a
large quantity of (vaguely) related spam when they sell them on.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 10 Jul 2023 09:59:25 GMT
maus <maus@darkstar.org> wrote:

> Small thing. I have been discussing drones on this group, but not
> elsewhere, and when I was looking in Amazon for books later, two books
> on drones were inndicated.

Unless you were using a web browser to read this newsgroup there
are no cookies in USENET.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 10/07/2023 10:59, maus wrote:
> Small thing. I have been discussing drones on this group, but not
> elsewhere, and when I was looking in Amazon for books later, two books
> on drones were inndicated.
>
> God Damn Cookies.
>
Last time I checked, usenet does not and can not leave any cookies.
Google Groups on the other hand searches all your posts and sells the
data to their advertisers.

I use Thunderbird under Windows 10,and haven't had that problem in 30
years that I suspect usenet of causing. The difficulty of monetising it
is one reason the ISPs all dropped their news servers and promote
Farcepuke and other antisocial media platforms. It was costing them
money to run the servers for no return.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 08/07/2023 18:12, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 08/07/2023 07:35, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-07-08, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>> Any Sheddi into Drone flying?
>>>
>>> I ask because I am seriously considering getting into it. I've always
>>> loved flying, but in my state of health now, the real thing is out of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> However, I do love aerial shots. And the thought of flying/filming from
>>> above canals, ancient sites, spectacular scenery, that I can drive to
>>> but not explore on the ground any more does appeal to me.
>>>
>>> But I have no idea what equipment would best suit me.
>>>
>>> There are also licensing issues.
>>>
>>> I'm probably going to have to join a local drone club to find out what's
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Tone
>>
>> A serious drone will, last time I checked. cost you around 15000
>
> Fifteen grand - run away!

I got one to play with for £30. SWMBO has put it somewhere though.

Cheapo ones are available on That Ebay - you'd probably want one with
FPV (first person visual) so you get a drone's eye view of where you're
going. Many reviews are available. A good hobby drone is more like
500-1000 than 15000.

On 08/07/2023 15:39, Adrian wrote:
> In message <NOednaZTZNgN8zT5nZ2dnZfqn_Fj4p2d@brightview.co.uk>,
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?.invalid> writes
>> short battery life, not liking wind much, only one place to land in
>> case of prombles?
>>
>
> During a recent around the whirled race, the boats had drones on board
> to film themselves.  Once the boats were doing a bit more than 20kts the
> drones had problems keeping up with them.

That Marc Marquez is rubbish, can't ride bikes at over 20mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JDp3ieGi9g

And those Formula 1 cars, so slow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJyPa7KIu6I

On 09/07/2023 13:39, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>
> That'll be very useful for prospective bergulars then? - espcially if
> the property is unoccupied!

Apparently thieves targeting farm equipment and parts thereof are using
drones to work out their targets and exact locations.

In article <kh4m9uFef32U5@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 10:39:10 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 09/07/2023 13:39, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>> That'll be very useful for prospective bergulars then? - espcially if
>> the property is unoccupied!
>
>Apparently thieves targeting farm equipment and parts thereof are using
>drones to work out their targets and exact locations.
>
Recently I have been reading a book on deception in North Africa during
the last World Unpleasantness.

Looks like farmers need to be able to disguise expensive kit, say
harvesters as leaky old sheds, sheep as dragons, Sheergar as an old nag
ready for the knackers yard and so on, their farmhouses as
fortifications left over from the last World Unpleasantness and so on.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Nicholas D. Richards said:
>>
> Recently I have been reading a book on deception in North Africa during
> the last World Unpleasantness.
>
> Looks like farmers need to be able to disguise expensive kit, say
> harvesters as leaky old sheds, sheep as dragons, Sheergar as an old nag
> ready for the knackers yard and so on, their farmhouses as
> fortifications left over from the last World Unpleasantness and so on.

Which reminds me of the 1991 unpleasantnesses over Q8. Final phase, the
Designated Villain was flinging fphq zvffvyrf all over the place and the
experts were publicly scratching their heads about how many they'd
destroyed and where was he getting them all from ... and the Beeb ran an
interview with an Italian bloke, ran a little business making models for
playgrounds, dinosaurs and stuff, metal frames & fibreglass panels. He
said, he'd been wondering why Iraq wanted so many model missiles.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html