On 18/08/2023 13:52, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 02:44, Tone wrote:
>
>> I have just ordered one of these:
>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>
> Just after the FAA have announced they're going to change teh rulez
> again ...
>

Fleet Air Arm? I have no wish to fly it on or off HMS Queen Lizzie.

Tone

On 18/08/2023 14:13, John Williamson wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 13:52, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 02:44, Tone wrote:
>>
>>> I have just ordered one of these:
>>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>>
>> Just after the FAA have announced they're going to change teh rulez
>> again ...
>>
> One thing I am expecting arTone to want to do with it is already streng
> verboten. Aerial shots of music festivals always go down well with the
> viewers. For these reasons, they normally use a crane or balloon.
>

You are not allowed to fly over crowds anywhere, nor sporting events.

Tone

On 19/08/2023 11:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes it takes the fun out of it though, does it not?.
> Brian
>

No, not really. My interest is in following old railway tracks, and
canals, and filming around the Yorkshire coastal cliffs.

Tone

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 21:46:27 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>On 18/08/2023 14:13, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 13:52, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2023 02:44, Tone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have just ordered one of these:
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>>>
>>> Just after the FAA have announced they're going to change teh rulez
>>> again ...
>>>
>> One thing I am expecting arTone to want to do with it is already streng
>> verboten. Aerial shots of music festivals always go down well with the
>> viewers. For these reasons, they normally use a crane or balloon.
>>
>
>You are not allowed to fly over crowds anywhere, nor sporting events.
>
>Tone

I have seen a drone filming a folk stage once - it was about 10
years ago though, so maybe the rules/laws were still being formed
here in the colony .. ? It generally stayed in the area immediately
in front of the stage and high enough to not be in-the-way ;
but a mishap would certainly have endangered the front row folks.
John T.

On 20-Aug-23 21:44, Tone wrote:
> On 18/08/2023 13:18, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 09:23:45 -0000 (UTC), Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:ubmie4$3d75$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> I have just ordered one of these:
>>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it.
>>>
>>
>>     +  1
>> I've thought of buying one for myself  -  mainly as a toy -
>>   but it could save my sore legs a few trips up the ladder
>> to check & clear the eaves troughs ..
>>     John T.
>
> Now a drone that clears your eaves troughs would be interesting to fly.

But of course it would get stuck up there, and you would have to get out
the ladder to rescue the %^&*() thing.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20/08/2023 23:08, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 20-Aug-23 21:44, Tone wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 13:18, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 09:23:45 -0000 (UTC), Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:ubmie4$3d75$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> I have just ordered one of these:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>     +  1
>>> I've thought of buying one for myself  -  mainly as a toy -
>>>   but it could save my sore legs a few trips up the ladder
>>> to check & clear the eaves troughs ..
>>>     John T.
>>
>> Now a drone that clears your eaves troughs would be interesting to fly.
>
> But of course it would get stuck up there, and you would have to get out
> the ladder to rescue the %^&*() thing.
>

Or get a bigger drone to clear that drone, and if that one gets stuck
too.........

Tone

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 21:46:27 +0100
Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

> You are not allowed to fly over crowds anywhere, nor sporting events.

You can but not with the basic operators licence.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 2023-08-20, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 20-Aug-23 21:44, Tone wrote:
>> On 18/08/2023 13:18, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 09:23:45 -0000 (UTC), Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:ubmie4$3d75$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> I have just ordered one of these:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/droning-on
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>     +  1
>>> I've thought of buying one for myself  -  mainly as a toy -
>>>   but it could save my sore legs a few trips up the ladder
>>> to check & clear the eaves troughs ..
>>>     John T.
>>
>> Now a drone that clears your eaves troughs would be interesting to fly.
>
> But of course it would get stuck up there, and you would have to get out
> the ladder to rescue the %^&*() thing.
>

I got a robot lawnmower when all left here. It used to get stuck in
corners and would claw at the ground making sad noises, and people would
come in at night and say, "There is a small animal trapped in your
garden." Someone stole it.

--
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Where is our money gone:?.
Death to all Influencers, Dude!

On 21/08/2023 02:46, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 21:46:27 +0100
> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You are not allowed to fly over crowds anywhere, nor sporting events.
>
> You can but not with the basic operators licence.
>

Can you find any refs to that?

Tone

On 19/08/2023 11:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Does anyone recall the people who used to design models that flew
> which looked like Lawn mowers. Then there was that kite you could
> buy that looked like a deck chair.

Not a lawn mower or deck chair but an interesting kite in the form of a
sailing boat being modelled by Fenny at a shed moot[1] in Daventry.

https://tinyurl.com/3nux86uv

[1] 27th Aug 2005
--
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It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

On 21/08/2023 12:35, nev young wrote:
> On 19/08/2023 11:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Does anyone recall the people who used to design models that flew
>> which looked like  Lawn mowers. Then there was that kite you could
>> buy that looked like a deck chair.
>
> Not a lawn mower or deck chair but an interesting kite in the form of a
> sailing boat being modelled by Fenny at a shed moot[1] in Daventry.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3nux86uv
>
> [1] 27th Aug 2005

It arrived today. Instructions very sparse and mostly unreadable in tiny
print. Luckily there are a couple of YouTube videos that are useful.

But, I can't charge it up because the charge cable that came with it has
the same connectors both ends, and they don't fit anything I've got.

I have an adaptor that fits the battery sockets, but that requires a
male USB A t'other end, which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A
cable. I have ordered same. Hope that jbexs.

But it raises a problem with connectors. There are so many now, all
different, and I have no idea what any of them are called, apart from
USB A. Amazon offer a lot of adaptors and list what they connect to, but
I can't tell from the images what I need.

I'm looking at four charging cables. One for the mobile phone, one for
the camera, one for a Seagate remote disk, and one for a remote CD
player/burner. They all have a USB A at one end. T'other ends are not
interchangebubble. Daft I call it.

Tone

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
> On 21/08/2023 12:35, nev young wrote:
>> On 19/08/2023 11:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Does anyone recall the people who used to design models that flew
>>> which looked like  Lawn mowers. Then there was that kite you could
>>> buy that looked like a deck chair.
>>
>> Not a lawn mower or deck chair but an interesting kite in the form of a
>> sailing boat being modelled by Fenny at a shed moot[1] in Daventry.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/3nux86uv
>>
>> [1] 27th Aug 2005
>
> It arrived today. Instructions very sparse and mostly unreadable in tiny
> print. Luckily there are a couple of YouTube videos that are useful.
>
> But, I can't charge it up because the charge cable that came with it has
> the same connectors both ends, and they don't fit anything I've got.
>
> I have an adaptor that fits the battery sockets, but that requires a
> male USB A t'other end, which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A
> cable. I have ordered same. Hope that jbexs.
>
> But it raises a problem with connectors. There are so many now, all
> different, and I have no idea what any of them are called, apart from
> USB A. Amazon offer a lot of adaptors and list what they connect to, but
> I can't tell from the images what I need.
>
> I'm looking at four charging cables. One for the mobile phone, one for
> the camera, one for a Seagate remote disk, and one for a remote CD
> player/burner. They all have a USB A at one end. T'other ends are not
> interchangebubble. Daft I call it.
>
> Tone
>
>
>

I blame Apple. Whilst everyone else was happy with USB A on one end and
getting used to USB C on the other end they started making leads with USB C
at both ends and chargers with a USB C socket.

Bloody annoying.

Tim

--
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On 21/08/2023 13:05, Tone wrote:
> On 21/08/2023 12:35, nev young wrote:
>> On 19/08/2023 11:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Does anyone recall the people who used to design models that flew
>>> which looked like  Lawn mowers. Then there was that kite you could
>>> buy that looked like a deck chair.
>>
>> Not a lawn mower or deck chair but an interesting kite in the form of
>> a sailing boat being modelled by Fenny at a shed moot[1] in Daventry.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/3nux86uv
>>
>> [1] 27th Aug 2005
>
> It arrived today. Instructions very sparse and mostly unreadable in tiny
> print. Luckily there are a couple of YouTube videos that are useful.
>
> But, I can't charge it up because the charge cable that came with it has
> the same connectors both ends, and they don't fit anything I've got.
>
> I have an adaptor that fits the battery sockets, but that requires a
> male USB A t'other end, which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A
> cable. I have ordered same. Hope that jbexs.
>
> But it raises a problem with connectors. There are so many now, all
> different, and I have no idea what any of them are called, apart from
> USB A. Amazon offer a lot of adaptors and list what they connect to, but
> I can't tell from the images what I need.
>
> I'm looking at four charging cables. One for the mobile phone, one for
> the camera, one for a Seagate remote disk, and one for a remote CD
> player/burner. They all have a USB A at one end. T'other ends are not
> interchangebubble. Daft I call it.

I have a USB cable with a connector on the non-USBend which plugs into a
selection of ickle USB plugs.

IIRC one £ZU unit at Wilkinsons (Wilco) or maybe ZUland.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Tone wrote:

> which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A cable

Unlikely, A-to-A should never be required (though they are sold because
people think they need them).

I think you need a USB-C charger you can get them with multiple outputs e.g.

<https://amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-65W/dp/B088CZ8CYG>

The GaN type are smaller for a given wattage.

also you will need a several of USB-C to USB-C cables, did teh drone
come with any?

If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.

Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> I blame Apple. Whilst everyone else was happy with USB A on one end and
> getting used to USB C on the other end they started making leads with USB
> C at both ends and chargers with a USB C socket.
>

We* like 'em. [preen]

>
> Bloody annoying.
>

Oh dear, how sad, gerra Mac. [winkie smiley thing]


* Ne'mind TINW; in this case 'We' signifies the
Wurld-Wide Community of Macsters. yay.

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 21 Aug 2023 12:17:14 GMT
Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

> I blame Apple. Whilst everyone else was happy with USB A on one end and
> getting used to USB C on the other end they started making leads with USB
> C at both ends and chargers with a USB C socket.

You need USB-C at both ends for power delivery which is why Apple
use it that way.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 13:05:25 +0100
Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

> I'm looking at four charging cables. One for the mobile phone, one for
> the camera, one for a Seagate remote disk, and one for a remote CD
> player/burner. They all have a USB A at one end. T'other ends are not
> interchangebubble. Daft I call it.

Some of those must be quite old - it's been a while since anything
was made that wasn't either micro-USB or USB-C.

You're best bet is probably a USB-A to USB-C cable or adaptor.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 21/08/2023 14:00, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Tone wrote:
>
>> which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A cable
>
> Unlikely, A-to-A should never be required (though they are sold because
> people think they need them).
>
> I think you need a USB-C charger you can get them with multiple outputs
> e.g.
>
> <https://amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-65W/dp/B088CZ8CYG>
>
> The GaN type are smaller for a given wattage.
>
> also you will need a several of USB-C to USB-C cables, did teh drone
> come with any?
>
> If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
> USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.
>
>

Yes. Been watching one of the videos. very informative, if very
Leftpondian. They are USB C sockets on the battery chargers and controller.

Have ordered a couple of male USB A to male C adaptor cables.

It came with a male USB C to male USB C cable. Boodly useless. Unless I
flash up me MAC lappy, the location of which I haven't sussed yet.
(Might be in t'caravan.)

But, watching the video and understanding about 10% of it, this is a
highly sophisticated bit of kit. I'm impressed. In slow and normal
speeds it won't fly into any obstruction. It will either hover, or fly
around, according to the setting. And it will safely fly home avoiding
obstacles at the touch of a button.

In 'Sport' mode it'll go where it's pointed, fast! I guess this is for
drone racing. I think I'll leave that to the testosterone brigade.

You can preset the max flying height (400ft) and it will follow the
contour of the land. (What it'll do around our cliffs is going to be
interesting to watch).

Clever stuff.

Just found out that you can get a pair of goggles that give you the
impression you are actually in the thing, flying it. Blimee!

Should keep me amused for a bit.

Will report back after first test flight. Seeking WW1 flying helmet and
goggles. Curse the Red Baron! Bounder!

Tone

Sn!pe wrote:

> Tim+ wrote:
>
>> I blame Apple. Whilst everyone else was happy with USB A on one end and
>> getting used to USB C on the other end they started making leads with USB
>> C at both ends and chargers with a USB C socket.
>
> We* like 'em. [preen]

I also likes 'em, got my first USB-C device an eight of years ago, now
have very little that doesn't use it, it's teh future.

A single USB-4 cable to flatpot supplies 100W of power, 4K and 2K
monitors, mutleygig ethernot, more USB sockets than you can shake a
stick at ... total 40Gbps throughput.

Tone wrote:

> In slow and normal speeds it won't fly into any obstruction.

Beware, it can't "see" obstructions in all directions (e.g. the sides)

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Tone wrote:
>
>> which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A cable
>
> Unlikely, A-to-A should never be required (though they are sold because
> people think they need them).
>
> I think you need a USB-C charger you can get them with multiple outputs e.g.
>
><https://amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-65W/dp/B088CZ8CYG>
>
> The GaN type are smaller for a given wattage.
>
> also you will need a several of USB-C to USB-C cables, did teh drone
> come with any?
>
> If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
> USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.

I don't think all devices have USB C sockets ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

> On 21/08/2023 14:00, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> > Tone wrote:
> >
> >> which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A cable
> >
> > Unlikely, A-to-A should never be required (though they are sold because
> > people think they need them).
> >
> > I think you need a USB-C charger you can get them with multiple outputs
> > e.g.
> >
> > <https://amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-65W/dp/B088CZ8CYG>
> >
> > The GaN type are smaller for a given wattage.
> >
> > also you will need a several of USB-C to USB-C cables, did teh drone
> > come with any?
> >
> > If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
> > USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.
> >
>
> Yes. Been watching one of the videos. very informative, if very
> Leftpondian. They are USB C sockets on the battery chargers and controller.
>
> Have ordered a couple of male USB A to male C adaptor cables.
>
> It came with a male USB C to male USB C cable. Boodly useless. Unless I
> flash up me MAC lappy, the location of which I haven't sussed yet.
> (Might be in t'caravan.)
>

Beware!

Not all USB-C cables are multifunctional. The multi-functionality
(if present) resides in the sockets but the functional capability is
determined by the cable, of which there are very many types.

Be sure to get ~the right cable!~

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 21/08/2023 14:57, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Tease'n'Seize said:
>> If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
>> USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.
>
> I don't think all devices have USB C sockets ?
>
>
Many USB-C cables and devices have extra connections and cores for
handshaking and other purposes, which are not present on USB-A
connectors or cables for USB 1 or 2.x, though they are there on the USB
3 connectors ( A blue tongue inside is the telltale). USB-C is just one
of the standard USB 3.x connectors.

If you use one of the cheaper USB 2.x adaptors, the voltages and
currents available at the USB-C end are limited to the USB 2 connections
only (Fairly slow data and not much power). For full capabilities, you
need USB 3, which has the A type plug with a blue connector tongue, and
all the extra pins that go with it.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:34:47 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>On 21/08/2023 14:00, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> Tone wrote:
>>
>>> which means I need a Male USB A to Male USB A cable
>>
>> Unlikely, A-to-A should never be required (though they are sold because
>> people think they need them).
>>
>> I think you need a USB-C charger you can get them with multiple outputs
>> e.g.
>>
>> <https://amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-65W/dp/B088CZ8CYG>
>>
>> The GaN type are smaller for a given wattage.
>>
>> also you will need a several of USB-C to USB-C cables, did teh drone
>> come with any?
>>
>> If you don't want to buy a new charger, you could do it with USB-A to
>> USB-C cables and charger(s) you already have.
>>
>>
>
>Yes. Been watching one of the videos. very informative, if very
>Leftpondian. They are USB C sockets on the battery chargers and controller.
>
>Have ordered a couple of male USB A to male C adaptor cables.
>
>It came with a male USB C to male USB C cable. Boodly useless. Unless I
>flash up me MAC lappy, the location of which I haven't sussed yet.
>(Might be in t'caravan.)
>
>But, watching the video and understanding about 10% of it, this is a
>highly sophisticated bit of kit. I'm impressed. In slow and normal
>speeds it won't fly into any obstruction. It will either hover, or fly
>around, according to the setting. And it will safely fly home avoiding
>obstacles at the touch of a button.
>
>In 'Sport' mode it'll go where it's pointed, fast! I guess this is for
>drone racing. I think I'll leave that to the testosterone brigade.
>
>You can preset the max flying height (400ft) and it will follow the
>contour of the land. (What it'll do around our cliffs is going to be
>interesting to watch).
>
>Clever stuff.
>
>Just found out that you can get a pair of goggles that give you the
>impression you are actually in the thing, flying it. Blimee!
>
>Should keep me amused for a bit.
>
>Will report back after first test flight. Seeking WW1 flying helmet and
>goggles. Curse the Red Baron! Bounder!
>
>Tone

USB C is terrific - no more squinting to see the icon for
orientating the cord ! The household --> USB C adapter
isn't a big expense and laptops have USB C now-a-days.
John T.

nev young <newsforpasiphae1953@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

> Not a lawn mower or deck chair but an interesting kite in the form of a
> sailing boat being modelled by Fenny at a shed moot[1] in Daventry.
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/3nux86uv>
>
> [1] 27th Aug 2005
>

<https://tinyurl.com/2ylfppfk>

I wondered where those G-Cramps had gone...

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My pet rock Gordon just is.