On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2021, williamwright wrote (in
> article<ikshu2Fp11lU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 09/07/2021 14:02,MrSpud_5zl3p92@ee4zo.net wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not religious at all, but if the owner of a private B&B doesn't want to
>>> rent to gay couples because blunty they don't want to have to wash shit off
>>> the sheets the next morning then they should be entitled to refuse them.

It used to be that people recognised that staying at a B&B was quite
different from staying in a hotel. You stayed in a family home and were
treated as one of the family. Often people became friends for life with
the owners through staying in a B&B.

That court case changed the whole relationship so the owner of a B&B
could no longer chose who stayed in his home. I am sure that many
stopped taking guests because of the case.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
>> On 10 Jul 2021, williamwright wrote (in
>> article<ikshu2Fp11lU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> On 09/07/2021 14:02,MrSpud_5zl3p92@ee4zo.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not religious at all, but if the owner of a private B&B doesn't want to
>>>> rent to gay couples because blunty they don't want to have to wash shit off
>>>> the sheets the next morning then they should be entitled to refuse them.
>
> It used to be that people recognised that staying at a B&B was quite
> different from staying in a hotel. You stayed in a family home and were
> treated as one of the family. Often people became friends for life with
> the owners through staying in a B&B.
>
> That court case changed the whole relationship so the owner of a B&B
> could no longer chose who stayed in his home. I am sure that many
> stopped taking guests because of the case.
>
>
>

I suspect many B&Bs have been driven out of business by the explosion of
budget hotels. I much prefer to have as little to do as possible with the
domestic life of the proprietor, regardless of their views. But I’ve
noticed as I get older I’m much less inclined to want to put up with other
people.

On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:

>> I can't see any reason why bed hygiene should be any less careful for
>> homosexuals than for anyone else. Maybe you know things I don't. Or
>> maybe you're just making something up to support your ridiculous
>> prejudices.
>
> Homophobes do seem to have a bit of a shit fixation.
> Perhaps it is caused by over-severe potty training.
>
> Or perhaps it is just because they are arseholes.
>
> Anyway, Bill, are you going to break the bad news
> to him about this newsgroup's consensus view of
> his sexual orientation, or shall I?
>

He's uncomfortable about his sexuality, that's for sure.

Bill

On 14/07/2021 08:42, Tweed wrote:
> I’m much less inclined to want to put up with other
> people.

I have a picture of my smiling self in a prominent position. Under it is
a kitsch poster that says "What I Love Most About My Home is Who I Share
it with." I live alone.

Bill

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 08:29:03 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
>> On 10 Jul 2021, williamwright wrote (in
>> article<ikshu2Fp11lU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> On 09/07/2021 14:02,MrSpud_5zl3p92@ee4zo.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not religious at all, but if the owner of a private B&B doesn't want to
>
>>>> rent to gay couples because blunty they don't want to have to wash shit off
>
>>>> the sheets the next morning then they should be entitled to refuse them.
>
>It used to be that people recognised that staying at a B&B was quite
>different from staying in a hotel. You stayed in a family home and were
>treated as one of the family. Often people became friends for life with
>the owners through staying in a B&B.

I've stayed in a few B&Bs in my time. Weren't many of the owners I'd want to
remain friends with. They were polite but mostly offhand which for me was
perfect. I just want a place to stay for a night or 2, not a new pal.

Of course once you have kids B&Bs go out the window and its hotels or
rentals from then on.

>That court case changed the whole relationship so the owner of a B&B
>could no longer chose who stayed in his home. I am sure that many
>stopped taking guests because of the case.

Unfortunately judges and politicians inhabit in the same political fantasy o
world, divorced from the one most normal people live in.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:42:36 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>I suspect many B&Bs have been driven out of business by the explosion of
>budget hotels. I much prefer to have as little to do as possible with the

We went through a Premier Inn phase for a number of years but slowly their
hotels have become more expensive yet shittier. The sealing of the bedroom
windows (apparently prevent smokers leaning out!! Pull the other one) was the
last straw.

In article <bf1dfe94-ab5c-0abc-59b3-1f995ca06c09@outlook.com>, Robin
<rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 10/07/2021 10:16, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > In article <5949753ce0charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
> > <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> There are, in both Scotland & England, female Bishops. But the law
> >> should not concern tself with private members' clubs.
> >
> > So if a club decides murder is OK, we should allow it?
> >

> I'm not clear why a club that campaigns for a change in the definition
> of murder would be unlawful.

Nice evasion. But no cigar. :-)

Jim

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In article <594a53a60cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5949c4939enoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5949479256bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> > <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > > > Yes. Part of my decision was because of that. 'Christians' as a
> > > > general movement tend to have a dodgy track record on that.

> > > With all that's going down in the UK you single out christians for a
> > > "dodgy track record" when it comes to how we treat women.

> > That "whoosh" you heard was a joke flying past you. :-) Apologies for
> > triggering one of your obsessions.

> > However given your hyper-sensitivity I can point out that the bad
> > treatment of women goes far wider.

> Nice try to wriggle out of your self defined predicament by blaming me
> but no cigar. I'm not triggered or hypersensitive and you have no
> evidence to suggest I'm either.

Thanks! I did laugh at that. 8->

Jim

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In article <594a795776bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > It's a classic case of politically motivated under-reporting.

> Indeed and we know Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. are all controlled by
> democrat voting lefties who love to censor what's there for people to
> read.

It's the way you tell 'em that gets the laugh. :-)

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In article <il0nitFitkoU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 10/07/2021 10:15, Jim Lesurf wrote:

> > You missed out the bits about how various acitivites by priests has
> > been covered up. Ireland. Catholic Church, etc. Much of it quite
> > recent, and often covered up by others in the churches for years
> > afterwards. Examples and evidence continues to emerge from behind
> > 'walls of silence'. The CoE also has form in this area.
> >
> > Jim
> >

> My recent book is partly concerned with the way pillars of the community
> have in the past been wilfully blind to child sexual abuse.

> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0968MTDXR

Can't comment on your book as I've not read it. But the sheer endemic scale
of these behaviours in powerful 'churches' is both astonishing and - on
reflection - probably inevitable given the way they have operated. And it
*still* goes on, along with the associated denials. Seems likely to be
similar in other organised religions that are sufficiently powerful that
they can control how they are treated by societies.

Indeed, when you look at other areas like football, or the media, those
with power over others often seem to behave in the same ways and feel they
are invulnerable.

Although the 'target' is different, the corruption with its chumocracies,
revolving doors, etc, also seems to be a feature of the UK 'establishment'
from the top of Government, downwards. Even when exposed, they walk away
free. Even examples like the Post Office scandle wrt how the knowingly
destroyed the lives of many people rather than admit to flaws with the
software example this. Those at the top have not paid in any way for the
damage they did to *hundreds* of other people. Instead, they carry on as
people 'at the top'.

Jim

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On 14/07/2021 08:29, MB wrote:
> On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
>> On 10 Jul 2021, williamwright wrote (in
>> article<ikshu2Fp11lU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> On 09/07/2021 14:02,MrSpud_5zl3p92@ee4zo.net  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not religious at all, but if the owner of a private B&B doesn't
>>>> want to
>>>> rent to gay couples because blunty they don't want to have to wash
>>>> shit off
>>>> the sheets the next morning then they should be entitled to refuse
>>>> them.
>
> It used to be that people recognised that staying at a B&B was quite
> different from staying in a hotel.  You stayed in a family home and were
> treated as one of the family.  Often people became friends for life with
> the owners through staying in a B&B.
>
> That court case changed the whole relationship so the owner of a B&B
> could no longer chose who stayed in his home.  I am sure that many
> stopped taking guests because of the case.

I think you're confusing B&Bs with digs. (Does anyone use the term any
more?) Of course some digs only provide(d) breakfast as you're expected
to eat a snack lunch at work and go out to a cheap cafe for your evening
meal. Digs (lodgings) are/were long term, whether they just provide B&B
or full board with your washing done for you. B&B usually refers to a
"guest house" for holiday or temporary accommodation.

The *theory* of digs is that you live as "one of the family" but that
was never really true - as it's not your family you're living with!

--
Max Demian

On 14/07/2021 08:42, Tweed wrote:
> I suspect many B&Bs have been driven out of business by the explosion of
> budget hotels. I much prefer to have as little to do as possible with the
> domestic life of the proprietor, regardless of their views. But I’ve
> noticed as I get older I’m much less inclined to want to put up with other
> people.

I think Airbnb has had a bigger effect though I can never understand why
people would let their house or flat to unsupervised complete strangers.

On 14/07/2021 09:37, MrSpud_qarvwzuk@us5hilssjognn8i.net wrote:
> We went through a Premier Inn phase for a number of years but slowly their
> hotels have become more expensive yet shittier. The sealing of the bedroom
> windows (apparently prevent smokers leaning out!! Pull the other one) was the
> last straw.

I tend to use Premier Inn because I know what to expect and never had
any problems with them. I stopped using Travel Lodge after it became
known they double book rooms - Travel / Premier Inn say they never
double book.

I was away from home often all week for much of my working life and had
some bad experiences.

On 14/07/2021 11:33, Max Demian wrote:
> I think you're confusing B&Bs with digs. (Does anyone use the term any
> more?) Of course some digs only provide(d) breakfast as you're expected
> to eat a snack lunch at work and go out to a cheap cafe for your evening
> meal. Digs (lodgings) are/were long term, whether they just provide B&B
> or full board with your washing done for you. B&B usually refers to a
> "guest house" for holiday or temporary accommodation.
>
> The*theory* of digs is that you live as "one of the family" but that
> was never really true - as it's not your family you're living with!

I worked away from home a lot and preferred hotels but in some areas
there are not many and you had to use B&B / Guest House but some of my
colleagues would use B&B / Guest House in preference to a hotel. But
you build up a relationship when a regular user. One very nice hotel
was closed for Winter but put myself and colleague up in their two
largest rooms. We ate in the kitchen off the stainless steel worktop
because the heating was off in the dining room. They did not charge us,
just told us to put something in the charity box.

On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
>
> Homophobes do seem to have a bit of a shit fixation.

.... as do male homosexuals?

On 12/07/2021 09:59, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> ... Those at the top have not paid in any way for the
> damage they did to *hundreds* of other people. Instead, they carry on as
> people 'at the top'.

Especially noticeable in the higher echelons of the NHS chumocracy
where spectacular failure is rewarded by even more remunerative
moves to other jobs.

In article <scmhio$d5$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14/07/2021 09:37, MrSpud_qarvwzuk@us5hilssjognn8i.net wrote:
> > We went through a Premier Inn phase for a number of years but slowly
> > their hotels have become more expensive yet shittier. The sealing of
> > the bedroom windows (apparently prevent smokers leaning out!! Pull the
> > other one) was the last straw.

> I tend to use Premier Inn because I know what to expect and never had
> any problems with them. I stopped using Travel Lodge after it became
> known they double book rooms - Travel / Premier Inn say they never
> double book.

> I was away from home often all week for much of my working life and had
> some bad experiences.

Premier I|nn is my first choice; Travelodge let down the last time I stayed
there, no breakfast - luckily a tranport caf just down the road. Day's Inn
is dire, at least the two i've used.

--
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On 08/07/2021 11:16, gareth evans wrote:

> What percentage of humanity are sexually abnormal? 5%?

Depending on what counts as "normal", that figure might be as high as 75%!

> The BBC is particularly remiss in that direction. Why does it seem
> to me that every entertainment series, such as the Sewing Bee, etc,
> have a homosexual presenter?

Do they? I can't honestly say I've ever taken an interest in the sexual
interests of programme presenters (unless they're really fanciable and I
start to wonder if I stood a chance).

--
rgds
LAurence
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On 14/07/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
> Premier I|nn is my first choice; Travelodge let down the last time I stayed
> there, no breakfast - luckily a tranport caf just down the road. Day's Inn
> is dire, at least the two i've used.

I was impressed with Premier Inn some years when I made a booking at
their cheaper rate which non-refundable.

I made a silly mistake with the date, I cancelled immediately so did not
have an unused room. I think I also rebooked at the same time.

I rang up and explained, they gave me a number to call at their head
office. They gave me a full refund even though not obliged to do so.

In article <scng8v$9tn$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14/07/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
> > Premier I|nn is my first choice; Travelodge let down the last time I
> > stayed there, no breakfast - luckily a tranport caf just down the road.
> > Day's Inn is dire, at least the two i've used.

> I was impressed with Premier Inn some years when I made a booking at
> their cheaper rate which non-refundable.

> I made a silly mistake with the date, I cancelled immediately so did not
> have an unused room. I think I also rebooked at the same time.

> I rang up and explained, they gave me a number to call at their head
> office. They gave me a full refund even though not obliged to do so.

I got 3 refunds when Covid Lockdown turned up. Again, non-refundable
bookings.

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On 14 Jul 2021, gareth evans wrote
(in article <scmjf7$n74$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
> >
> > Homophobes do seem to have a bit of a shit fixation.
>
> ... as do male homosexuals?

No.

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On 14/07/2021 23:53, Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2021, gareth evans wrote
> (in article <scmjf7$n74$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>
>>> Homophobes do seem to have a bit of a shit fixation.
>>
>> ... as do male homosexuals?
>
> No.
>
Why should they have?

Bill

On 15 Jul 2021, williamwright wrote
(in article <il9c7cF8oe3U2@mid.individual.net>):

> On 14/07/2021 23:53, Bill Findlay wrote:
> > On 14 Jul 2021, gareth evans wrote
> > (in article <scmjf7$n74$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 14/07/2021 01:24, Bill Findlay wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Homophobes do seem to have a bit of a shit fixation.
> > >
> > > ... as do male homosexuals?
> >
> > No.
> Why should they have?

It seems we have flushed out another homophobe.

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In article <mg2oeglrdsapvpki52kgnk6cmpida9rutf@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> The circumference of planet Zog on the other side of the universe
> divided by its diameter will be the same value as any equivalent
> measurement of any circle anywhere in existence, regardless of the
> number system in which you express it, or the number of fingers the
> inhabitants of planet Zog may have.

That is incorrect. General Relativity tells us that the geometry of
space-time alters with the distribution of mass/energy/stress. The standard
definition of pi assumes a 'flat' space. Which in general is just a good
approximation.

Jim

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In article <sch5vg$ref$1@dont-email.me>, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
> Your outline of his conclusion is correct. But I don't recall it being
> > based on: " Einstein realised that the 'law' that had served for such
> > a long time could not explain how a cannon ball and a feather (which
> > have significantly different masses) reach the ground at the same time
> > if there's no air to be moved out of the way.."
> >
> > Can you reference where you got that?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> It was in a TV science programme fronted by Brian Cox, explaining the
> work of other scientists. I can't remember what it was called. It was
> broadcast a few weeks ago.

> One thing that was done was to visit a training establishment that was
> created to train astronauts for trips into space, where they had a large
> hall that could be (almost) emptied of air to simulate the vacuum of
> space. In it they set up a live experiment of dropping a bowling ball
> (easier to obtain than a cannon ball these days) and two feathers in a
> vacuum, and that did show for the that they all reached the ground at
> exactly the same time.

I saw the programme and can't recall him saying what you quoted.

Jim

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