Reports that there is a fire there ?

Is that a brush fire or at the actual transmitter? I would have thought they
would have multiple feeds to such an important site?
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Reports that there is a fire there ?

On 10/08/2021 14:00, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Is that a brush fire or at the actual transmitter? I would have thought they
> would have multiple feeds to such an important site?
>
All I know is a third hand report of a fire. Every service died at
around 13:25hrs

Don't discount 5G arsonist nutters !!

On 10/08/2021 13:47, Mark Carver wrote:
> Reports that there is a fire there ?

All UHF TV is off. R Tees is off.

Bill

Mark Carver wrote:

> Reports that there is a fire there ?

<https://twitter.com/NorthYorksFire/status/1425081443001188364>

On 10/08/2021 13:47, Mark Carver wrote:
> Reports that there is a fire there ?

I can faintly hear Tees from Whitby (I expected it to be off) and I
think he's saying something about '...and we'll try to find out...'

Bill

On 10/08/2021 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 10/08/2021 14:00, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Is that a brush fire or at the actual transmitter? I would have
>> thought they
>> would have multiple feeds to such an important site?
>>
> All I know is a third hand report of a fire. Every service died at
> around 13:25hrs
>
> Don't discount 5G arsonist nutters !!

Radio Tees is on the internet as normal.

Bill

On 10/08/2021 14:02, Andy Burns wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> Reports that there is a fire there ?
>
> <https://twitter.com/NorthYorksFire/status/1425081443001188364>

Implies a fire inside the mast. That won't end well (particularly as
Bilsdale is a tubular design)

This happened to a similar mast in The Netherlands a while back

https://youtu.be/Uj5SXwZyvEI?t=92

In article <sett99$2ci$1@dont-email.me>,
Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Is that a brush fire or at the actual transmitter? I would have thought they
> would have multiple feeds to such an important site?
> Brian

No.There was only 1 electricity feeder. A gas turbine powered generator was
the reserve.

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On 10/08/2021 14:26, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 10/08/2021 14:02, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> Reports that there is a fire there ?
>>
>> <https://twitter.com/NorthYorksFire/status/1425081443001188364>
>
> Implies a fire inside the mast. That won't end well (particularly as
> Bilsdale is a tubular design)
>
> This happened to a similar mast in The Netherlands a while back
>
> https://youtu.be/Uj5SXwZyvEI?t=92

Or it could be the building, going by this picture

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/

Mark Carver wrote:

> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>
> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/

Keep scrolling down ...

On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>
>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/
>
>
> Keep scrolling down ...
>
>
Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch

On 10/08/2021 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 10/08/2021 14:00, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Is that a brush fire or at the actual transmitter? I would have
>> thought they
>> would have multiple feeds to such an important site?
>>
> All I know is a third hand report of a fire. Every service died at
> around 13:25hrs
>
> Don't discount 5G arsonist nutters !!

We had a fire at Oxford a few years ago, Lost everything except Channel
5 analogue. This was during works to upgrade the Tx for DSO2 where DTT
was being upgraded so that analogue could be turned off.....

(I have a quadruple redundancy freeview system that could sttill give me
freeview even with up to 3 simultaneous transmitter failures :-) )

Even if All four freeview transmitters were to fail, I've got Freesat as
a final backup... :-)

On 10/08/2021 14:57, SH wrote:
> ad a fire at Oxford a few years ago, Lost everything except Channel 5
> analogue. This was during works to upgrade the Tx for DSO2 where DTT
> was being upgraded so that analogue could be turned off.....

The new DTT antenna caught fire there. Bad enough, but no where near as
serious as today's fire at Bilsdale

Pictures on Twitter

https://twitter.com/search?q=bilsdale%20fire&src=typed_query

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>>
>>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/
>>
>>
>> Keep scrolling down ...
>>
>>
> Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch

Does the second picture, of smoke issuing from the top of the mast,
necessarily mean that the mast and its cables are on fire? Could it be that
the hollow mast is acting as a chimney, venting smoke from the transmitter
building below?

On 10/08/2021 15:03, Mark Carver wrote:
> The new DTT antenna caught fire there. Bad enough, but no where near as
> serious as today's fire at Bilsdale

We don't really know yet whether the building is affected. Hard to be
worse than Eitshal where everything was written off, they were not as
prepared for a complete failure then with just one containerised
transmitter.

On 10/08/2021 16:25, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:infe26F59hmU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep scrolling down ...
>>>
>>>
>> Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch
>
> Does the second picture, of smoke issuing from the top of the mast,
> necessarily mean that the mast and its cables are on fire? Could it be
> that the hollow mast is acting as a chimney, venting smoke from the
> transmitter building below?

It'll be very hot smoke, and coating whatever is inside the mast with
all sorts of nasty stuff

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 10/08/2021 16:25, NY wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:infe26F59hmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep scrolling down ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch
>>
>> Does the second picture, of smoke issuing from the top of the mast,
>> necessarily mean that the mast and its cables are on fire? Could it be
>> that the hollow mast is acting as a chimney, venting smoke from the
>> transmitter building below?
>
> It'll be very hot smoke, and coating whatever is inside the mast with all
> sorts of nasty stuff

Do transmitter sites tend to keep the transmitters and the aerials separate
so a fire in one doesn't vent hot smoke into the other?

I wonder what disaster-recovery plans there are for Bilsdale. I wonder if
they will get any muxes back on via temporary masts/transmitters, as
happened when Emley Moor mast fell down in 1969.

I bet aerial riggers will be busy for people on the reception boundaries,
turning people's aerials to point at Emley Moor, Bilsdale, Oliver's Mount
etc and helping people retune.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Reports that there is a fire there ?

Richmondshire Today News is saying that it was due to a lightning (*)
strike.

https://www.richmondshiretoday.co.uk/major-fire-at-bilsdale-transmitter-hits-tv-and-radio-services/

So probably any equipment that survives the fire will have been fried by the
lightning.

(*) Except they spell it "lightening" (opposite of "darkening") ;-)

On 10/08/2021 16:42, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:infki3F6j7qU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 10/08/2021 16:25, NY wrote:
>>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:infe26F59hmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-york-moors/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep scrolling down ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch
>>>
>>> Does the second picture, of smoke issuing from the top of the mast,
>>> necessarily mean that the mast and its cables are on fire? Could it
>>> be that the hollow mast is acting as a chimney, venting smoke from
>>> the transmitter building below?
>>
>> It'll be very hot smoke, and coating whatever is inside the mast with
>> all sorts of nasty stuff
>
> Do transmitter sites tend to keep the transmitters and the aerials
> separate so a fire in one doesn't vent hot smoke into the other?

Bilsdale (like Mendip, Belmont, Winter Hill, Waltham, and the ill fated
Emley mast) are enclosed tubular steel construction.

Quite unstable in certain conditions as two of those masts have had
collapses (as have similar masts in Germany and The Netherlands)

There's no pictures of the mast base available on mb21, but Waltham's
arrangement might provide a clue, scroll down

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=679&pageid=164

On 10/08/2021 16:56, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:infaqjF4it6U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Reports that there is a fire there ?
>
> Richmondshire Today News is saying that it was due to a lightning (*)
> strike.
>
> https://www.richmondshiretoday.co.uk/major-fire-at-bilsdale-transmitter-hits-tv-and-radio-services/
>
>
> So probably any equipment that survives the fire will have been fried
> by the
> lightning.

I don't think so. Read the article again . It's just what some random 
person on Twitter said.

Met Office radar shows no heavy showers in the area until well after the
event

On 10/08/2021 14:26, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 10/08/2021 14:02, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> Reports that there is a fire there ?
>>
>> <https://twitter.com/NorthYorksFire/status/1425081443001188364>
>
> Implies a fire inside the mast. That won't end well (particularly as
> Bilsdale is a tubular design)
>
> This happened to a similar mast in The Netherlands a while back
>
> https://youtu.be/Uj5SXwZyvEI?t=92

What a crap piece of reporting! It just shows the "talking head" whilst
the action goes on off picture. Why they didn't have the voice going in
the background whilst the camera focused on the mast fire I don't
understand.

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In article <seu5ph$ao0$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
scribeth thus
>"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:infe26F59hmU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 10/08/2021 14:31, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it could be the building, going by this picture
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19503528.bilsdale-tv-mast-fire-north-
>york-moors/
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep scrolling down ...
>>>
>>>
>> Oh, my. Nothing that can be done there. Stand 1000ft away and watch
>
>Does the second picture, of smoke issuing from the top of the mast,
>necessarily mean that the mast and its cables are on fire? Could it be that
>the hollow mast is acting as a chimney, venting smoke from the transmitter
>building below?
>

Very much so, be a real sod cleaning that lot out!....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-58163612
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In article <seu7ih$de1$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
scribeth thus
>"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:infaqjF4it6U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Reports that there is a fire there ?
>
>Richmondshire Today News is saying that it was due to a lightning (*)
>strike.
>
>https://www.richmondshiretoday.co.uk/major-fire-at-bilsdale-transmitter-hits-tv-
>and-radio-services/
>
>So probably any equipment that survives the fire will have been fried by the
>lightning.
>
>
>(*) Except they spell it "lightening" (opposite of "darkening") ;-)
>

Bet it wasn't, that sort of structure will be well earthed and
protected!..

No reported lightning in the area that I can see of!..

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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.