On 09/10/2021 11:05 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> How long though will Freeview last?
> ITV nearly had me gibbering last Sunday night when the final hour of
> midsummer murders had commercials very 7 minutes.

I never start watching anything on ITV, 4 or 5 until a quarter past the
nominal start time. Buffering it on Sky+, you can scoot through all the
advert breaks.

On 09/10/2021 11:31 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:05:12 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ITV nearly had me gibbering last Sunday night when the final hour of
>> midsummer murders had commercials very 7 minutes.
>
> It's normally six breaks in a two hour show, such as Midsomer, or
> Vera, or Endeavour. After editing out the breaks to view the programme
> without interruption, the actual running time is just under 90
> minutes. Yes, there really is half an hour of advertising in a two
> hour timeslot.
>
> A programme in a one hour timeslot usually has three breaks and
> condenses to 47 minutes, or occasionally as little as 40 minutes.
>
> Thank goodness for PVRs with editing, or skip buttons.

Some popular American drama series have episodes as short as 39 minutes
(in a one hour TX slot) when shorn of adverts and bumpers.

On 9 Oct 2021 at 14:09:08 BST, "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com>
wrote:

> Nobody seems to have commented on the quality of the tv you get with
> your sub.
>
> As an owner of an LG 55" OLED I would not want to view anything on an
> inferior device.
>
> Any observations?
>
> Tony

I agree. I'm very picky about how "mirrorlike" my TVs are. Presumably this is
going to be some horrible over-glossed monstrosity.
--
Is something brilliant happening?

On 8 Oct 2021 at 10:18:18 BST, "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>
>> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
>> can't watch anything but Sky.
>
> It almost certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
> photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
> Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
> leads etc it's not for us.
>
> https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-glass-4k-streaming-tv-hands-on/

I couldn't give a flying toss about the inputs. I need to know full
information about the outputs. Optical SPDIF? Analogue Line?
--
Is something brilliant happening?

In article <sjvgqb$nto$1@dont-email.me>,
Ivan Plapp says...

> I need to know full
> information about the outputs. Optical SPDIF? Analogue Line?

Sky says audio output is via HDMI ARC only.

--
Ken

On 10/10/2021 20:59, Ivan Plapp wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2021 at 14:09:08 BST, "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nobody seems to have commented on the quality of the tv you get with
>> your sub.
>>
>> As an owner of an LG 55" OLED I would not want to view anything on an
>> inferior device.
>>
>> Any observations?
>>
>> Tony
> I agree. I'm very picky about how "mirrorlike" my TVs are. Presumably this is
> going to be some horrible over-glossed monstrosity.
Sky were setting up a pop up sales shed in Covent Garden this morning.

They had a number of TVs on display. They were as dim-as-f***, perhaps
they've not found the 'Vivid' Shop mode setting yet, but this tallies
with reports they are not really equipped for HDR (not enough nits)

I'll go back at lunchtime, when the sun is on them

On 11/10/2021 09:17, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 10/10/2021 20:59, Ivan Plapp wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2021 at 14:09:08 BST, "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody seems to have commented on the quality of the tv you get with
>>> your sub.
>>>
>>> As an owner of an LG 55" OLED I would not want to view anything on an
>>> inferior device.
>>>
>>> Any observations?
>>>
>>> Tony
>> I agree. I'm very picky about how "mirrorlike" my TVs are. Presumably
>> this is
>> going to be some horrible over-glossed monstrosity.
> Sky were setting up a pop up sales shed in Covent Garden this morning.
>
> They had a number of TVs on display. They were as dim-as-f***, perhaps
> they've not found the 'Vivid' Shop mode setting yet, but this tallies
> with reports they are not really equipped for HDR (not enough nits)
>
> I'll go back at lunchtime, when the sun is on them

Someone commented to me today that the interesting bit is no satellite
connection. They have obviously given up, and are going over to IP only.

Andy

"Vir Campestris" <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:sk4t66$6nh$2@dont-email.me...
> On 11/10/2021 09:17, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 10/10/2021 20:59, Ivan Plapp wrote:
>>> On 9 Oct 2021 at 14:09:08 BST, "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobody seems to have commented on the quality of the tv you get with
>>>> your sub.
>>>>
>>>> As an owner of an LG 55" OLED I would not want to view anything on an
>>>> inferior device.
>>>>
>>>> Any observations?
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>> I agree. I'm very picky about how "mirrorlike" my TVs are. Presumably
>>> this is
>>> going to be some horrible over-glossed monstrosity.
>> Sky were setting up a pop up sales shed in Covent Garden this morning.
>>
>> They had a number of TVs on display. They were as dim-as-f***, perhaps
>> they've not found the 'Vivid' Shop mode setting yet, but this tallies
>> with reports they are not really equipped for HDR (not enough nits)
>>
>> I'll go back at lunchtime, when the sun is on them
>
> Someone commented to me today that the interesting bit is no satellite
> connection.

given that this is a product specifically aimed at increasing market share
amongst people who can't have/do not want a dish on the side of their house,
that's a given

> They have obviously given up, and are going over to IP only.

They may be trying this, but I don't think it will work

In an attempt to be "pure" they seem reluctant to integrate this product
with Freeview and provide a recorder function so that people can default to
recording of broadcast programs instead of being subjected to the "rules" of
various online products for receiving your TV

From a conversation elsewhere where someone has found the channel list, it
seems that those FV channels who do not have an online offering will not be
offered by this product

so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them

so much for reducing clutter

On 13/10/2021 07:48, tim... wrote:
>
>
> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>
> so much for reducing clutter
>

It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>
>> so much for reducing clutter
>>
>
>It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.

Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.

The golden age of broadcast TV is over. I say this with some nostalgic
pain because I used to work in it, but it's beyond deniability now.

Rod.

"Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:0d45703b-e2eb-fc5c-a7e6-eb81cc925418@outlook.com...
> On 13/10/2021 07:48, tim... wrote:
>>
>>
>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>
>> so much for reducing clutter
>>
>
> It has and an aerial socket

I know

> and DVB-T tuner.

but no inbuilt means of time shifting programs not available on "catch up"

Surely that's what proving a streaming box is all about - Time shifting.

Yet this box specifically disables that feature for some channels that do
have that enabled by other Sky products

tim

"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:og8dmgptp2da32arooc2uqlg1ddaetfro7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>
>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>
>>
>>It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>
> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.
>
> The golden age of broadcast TV is over. I say this with some nostalgic
> pain because I used to work in it, but it's beyond deniability now.

there is 75% of the population older than this set

On 13/10/2021 10:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>
>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>
>>
>> It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>
> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.

Yes, what does "cast" mean? I get the impression that you are
watching/listening to something on your phone, tap something and it
appears on a big screen (or possibly you hear it on your hi-fi if audio
casting is still available), but you can still control it from your phone.

Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
(Internet/NAS drive)?

(I can't find a concise definition on the Internet.)

--
Max Demian

Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 13/10/2021 10:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>>
>>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>>
>>>
>>> It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>>
>> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
>> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
>> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
>> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
>> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
>> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.
>
> Yes, what does "cast" mean? I get the impression that you are
> watching/listening to something on your phone, tap something and it
> appears on a big screen (or possibly you hear it on your hi-fi if audio
> casting is still available), but you can still control it from your phone.
>
> Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
> instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
> (Internet/NAS drive)?
>
> (I can't find a concise definition on the Internet.)
>
Both. You can either mirror your phone’s screen (obvious issues) or cast in
the proper sense. In that instance the phone sends info to your chrome cast
(other dongles available) about where the stream resides and the dongle
picks the stream up from the source directly via its own Internet
connection. The phone can still control the display (pause, rewind etc)

How is the definition established.

My Samsung8 casts to my 55" OLED.

I've tended to think the definition was defined by the phone.

Yes/no?

On 13/10/2021 12:27, Tweed wrote:
> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 13/10/2021 10:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>>>
>>>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>>>
>>> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
>>> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
>>> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
>>> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
>>> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
>>> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.
>>
>> Yes, what does "cast" mean? I get the impression that you are
>> watching/listening to something on your phone, tap something and it
>> appears on a big screen (or possibly you hear it on your hi-fi if audio
>> casting is still available), but you can still control it from your phone.
>>
>> Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
>> instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
>> (Internet/NAS drive)?
>>
>> (I can't find a concise definition on the Internet.)
>>
> Both. You can either mirror your phone’s screen (obvious issues) or cast in
> the proper sense. In that instance the phone sends info to your chrome cast
> (other dongles available) about where the stream resides and the dongle
> picks the stream up from the source directly via its own Internet
> connection. The phone can still control the display (pause, rewind etc)
>

On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
> https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
>
> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
> Sky today announced the launch of Sky Glass, dramatically simplifying the
> way customers watch TV by integrating hardware, software and content. Sky
> Glass will be the only TV with award-winning Sky inside.
>
> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
> available to buy in the UK from 18 October and will launch in Sky’s other
> European markets from 2022.
>
> Sky Glass, the streaming TV from Sky - key features:
>
> The only TV with Sky and all your favourite apps inside
> Buy your TV like you buy your mobile phone with flexible payments
> Cutting-edge design available in five colours and three sizes
> Ultra HD and Quantum Dot technology producing over 1 billion colours
> 360° Dolby Atmos® sound with powerful built-in speakers and sub-woofer
> Talk to your TV: just say “Hello Sky” to find what to watch
> The world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral® product
> Simply plug, pair and play to enjoy stunning screen quality and cinematic
> sound, with everything you need built in, so you will be ready to go in
> minutes. With easy access to stream your favourite content and apps using
> your voice and incredible search, Sky Glass makes it simple for you to find
> and watch the TV you love.
>
> Speaking at the launch, Dana Strong, Group Chief Executive, Sky said: “Sky
> Glass is the streaming TV with Sky inside, providing the total integration
> of hardware, software and content. Built on over 30 years of understanding
> what our customers want, this is a TV that only Sky could make. We believe
> this is the smartest TV available, and that customers will love it.”
>
> Redefining the TV market
>
> Sky has always aimed to give people what they want before they know they
> want it, and to make things easy for customers. That’s why Sky is
> redefining and creating a new category within the TV market to reach even
> more households. By taking this step, Sky will operate across the whole
> value chain, from content production, through to connectivity and
> aggregation, all coming together on the Sky Glass screen.
>
> Sky Glass is designed to make life easier with a range of innovations:
>
> TV never looked so good
>
> Sky partnered with Map Project Office, one of world’s leading design
> agencies, to create the elegant design. Sky Glass comes in a choice of
> three sizes (Small 43”, Medium 55” and Large 65”) and five rich colours.
> Choose from Ocean blue, Ceramic white, Racing green, Dusky pink, or
> Anthracite black, with matching remotes and customisable speaker fascias
> for extra personalisation. It has a mounting bracket cleverly integrated
> into the TV, or a sleek colour matched stand. With a single wire and just
> one plug, Sky Glass makes clutter a thing of the past, while the woven
> acoustic mesh used to optimise sound performance and millimetre-perfect
> perforations help Sky Glass sound as good as it looks.
>
> Spectacular screen and spine-tingling sound
>
> With over a billion colours, a 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot screen delivers
> crystal-clear picture, while the 10-bit HDR screen supports HLG, HDR10 and
> Dolby Vision® to produce vibrant, more intense colour. Whether you’re
> cheering on your team in the Premier League or getting stuck into the
> latest blockbuster, Sky Glass knows what you’re watching and optimises
> sound and picture for you, while Intelligent Zonal Technology works to
> bring you darker darks and brights that look brighter.
>
> Transform your living room into a cinema, concert, or stadium with six
> powerful, integrated speakers in optimal positions to deliver edge to edge
> Dolby Atmos® sound and a sub-woofer designed in for a rich, deep bass - all
> without buying a separate soundbar.
>
> The smarter TV with Sky inside
>
> With far field voice and Glance Motion Technology, just say “Hello Sky” or
> walk past to bring the streaming TV to life. A new home page makes it
> easier to find, watch and play the TV you love. It brings all your
> favourite content from across Sky, BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Disney+, ITV Hub,
> All4, Spotify, Peloton, PlayWorks and more. Use your voice to find what you
> want in a flash and to turn on the TV, control the volume or switch to
> connected devices.
>
> At the press of a single button, you can now create a personal Playlist of
> your favourite shows, movies and more across apps and channels, live and on
> demand. The new plus button on the remote adds to your Playlist for you to
> stream any time you want – all in one place.
>
> You never need to miss a show again with live Restart, you can jump
> straight back into anything that’s on now and available to watch from the
> start.
>
> Doesn’t cost the Earth
>
> Sky Glass is the world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral®
> product. Sustainably designed, it has low power features built in such as
> auto-switch-off and auto-adjusting screen brightness helping it to be more
> energy efficient. It is the only TV to come in recyclable packaging, free
> from single-use plastic and by using a TV with everything built in, you
> reduce electricity consumption by up to 50%i.
>
> Hi-tech. Low price.
>
> Sky Glass is made to be affordable. Choose to buy your TV like you buy your
> mobile phone by paying in one go or spread the cost with interest-free
> monthly payments. It is available from as little as £13 per month,
> exclusively with Sky TV, starting from £26 for Sky Ultimate TV and for the
> first time HD is included as standard. That’s £39 per month to get the 43”
> Sky Glass TV plus every episode of award-winning Sky Originals and Sky
> Exclusives, all your favourite channels and a fantastic line up you won’t
> find on Freeview, as well as Netflix. For just £4 more a month you can
> increase the size of your TV to a 55”, or £8 more for a 65”.
>
> It comes with a full two-year warranty and a free delivery service that
> includes unboxing and packaging removal.
>
> For those that enjoy watching Sky in multiple rooms in your house, the
> Whole Home pack puts Sky Glass inside any TV using the Sky Stream Puck for
> £10 a month.
>
> Coming soon…
>
> Sky Glass has been built as a platform which can be deployed by other Telco
> and subscription television operators so they can bring the Sky Glass
> experience to their customers too. Sky today announces the Foxtel Group,
> Australia's leading subscription TV company as its first Sky Glass
> syndication partner. Sky Glass will launch in the Australian market as an
> element of the Foxtel Group’s future roadmap for its Foxtel brand and will
> contain both Foxtel and third-party content. This is the first of many
> collaborations as Sky Glass is scaled across the globe.
>
> Sky Glass will get even better in 2022, with the launch of a high spec 4K
> smart camera that works seamlessly with Sky Glass and will unlock a range
> of exciting new services for the whole family. It will transform how we
> chat, play games, workout and share entertainment at home.
>
> Leveraging Comcast’s technology strength
>
> The streaming TV from Sky is built on technology borne of the collaboration
> as part of the Comcast Corporation – using the same operating system, and
> with shared knowledge and expertise. A great example of how Sky and Comcast
> are together accelerating innovation across the company. Added to Sky’s
> successful history of innovation gives the perfect combination of scale,
> capability and brand power.
>
> Strongest line-up of products
>
> In 2022, Sky will offer its strongest ever line-up of products and services
> to sit alongside Sky Glass. In addition to Sky Glass, customers can enjoy
> the award-winning Sky Q with all your favourite channels and apps in one
> place, and with Sky Go you can now access an even better experience on your
> devices. Sky TV has new channels, new shows and new deals with Peacock,
> Paramount+ and more. Sky Mobile was voted Best Pay Monthly and Best Value
> Pay Monthly network by Uswitch, and with Sky Broadband we’re offering our
> fastest speeds yet.
>

Sky must be concerned about their sat. service.The prices they charge
are now exorbitant.

On 08/10/2021 10:09, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <xn0n3vth0umt5lh029@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 in message <sjopqs$pu0$1@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:
>
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
>> I have a Roku box and separate TV and amp, gives me the best of all
>> worlds (and saves me £57 a month to Sky) with the ability to
>> update/replace discrete units as needed.
>
> Interesting, I can see the logic.
>
> Not trying to pick holes, I'm interested as to what's possible I
> presume that you cannot get Sky specific progs and channels or can
> you? Sky F1, Alibi, Black List etc..
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob.
>

Future problems could consist of broadband being over used with
stuttering etc, imagine every house using BB and watching tv and
computer games and ps5 or xbox

In article <iso669Fr72bU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tony Gamble says...

> My Samsung8 casts to my 55" OLED.
>
My Win10 laptop will cast to the TV, AV receiver and Blu-ray player over
the wired network. Also on the network are a Playstation, Youview PVR,
Freesat STB and a Freeview STB.
The only wifi device is a Roberts Stream 94i in the bedroom.

No smart phone here, too difficult to operate with only 1 working
hand:-(

--
Ken

Interesting Ken,

Win10 is one thing.

A tiddly little Samsung8 phone with a minute screen is another.

What would you say about the 'resolution' of its feed to the 55" tele?

Tony

On 13/10/2021 16:35, Unsteadyken wrote:
> In article <iso669Fr72bU1@mid.individual.net>,
>
> Tony Gamble says...
>
>> My Samsung8 casts to my 55" OLED.
>>
> My Win10 laptop will cast to the TV, AV receiver and Blu-ray player over
> the wired network. Also on the network are a Playstation, Youview PVR,
> Freesat STB and a Freeview STB.
>
> The only wifi device is a Roberts Stream 94i in the bedroom.
>
>
> No smart phone here, too difficult to operate with only 1 working
> hand:-(
>
>

Is this post suggesting that they will simply abandon their satellite?

I cannot imagine the internet structure of the UK could cope with every
single Sky viewer using it.

On 13/10/2021 16:03, critcher wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>> https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
>>
>>
>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>
>> Sky today announced the launch of Sky Glass, dramatically simplifying the
>> way customers watch TV by integrating hardware, software and content. Sky
>> Glass will be the only TV with award-winning Sky inside.
>>
>> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
>> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
>> available to buy in the UK from 18 October and will launch in Sky’s other
>> European markets from 2022.
>>
>> Sky Glass, the streaming TV from Sky - key features:
>>
>> The only TV with Sky and all your favourite apps inside
>> Buy your TV like you buy your mobile phone with flexible payments
>> Cutting-edge design available in five colours and three sizes
>> Ultra HD and Quantum Dot technology producing over 1 billion colours
>> 360° Dolby Atmos® sound with powerful built-in speakers and sub-woofer
>> Talk to your TV: just say “Hello Sky” to find what to watch
>> The world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral® product
>> Simply plug, pair and play to enjoy stunning screen quality and cinematic
>> sound, with everything you need built in, so you will be ready to go in
>> minutes. With easy access to stream your favourite content and apps using
>> your voice and incredible search, Sky Glass makes it simple for you to
>> find
>> and watch the TV you love.
>>
>> Speaking at the launch, Dana Strong, Group Chief Executive, Sky said:
>> “Sky
>> Glass is the streaming TV with Sky inside, providing the total
>> integration
>> of hardware, software and content. Built on over 30 years of
>> understanding
>> what our customers want, this is a TV that only Sky could make. We
>> believe
>> this is the smartest TV available, and that customers will love it.”
>>
>> Redefining the TV market
>>
>> Sky has always aimed to give people what they want before they know they
>> want it, and to make things easy for customers. That’s why Sky is
>> redefining and creating a new category within the TV market to reach even
>> more households. By taking this step, Sky will operate across the whole
>> value chain, from content production, through to connectivity and
>> aggregation, all coming together on the Sky Glass screen.
>>
>> Sky Glass is designed to make life easier with a range of innovations:
>>
>> TV never looked so good
>>
>> Sky partnered with Map Project Office, one of world’s leading design
>> agencies, to create the elegant design. Sky Glass comes in a choice of
>> three sizes (Small 43”, Medium 55” and Large 65”) and five rich colours.
>> Choose from Ocean blue, Ceramic white, Racing green, Dusky pink, or
>> Anthracite black, with matching remotes and customisable speaker fascias
>> for extra personalisation. It has a mounting bracket cleverly integrated
>> into the TV, or a sleek colour matched stand. With a single wire and just
>> one plug, Sky Glass makes clutter a thing of the past, while the woven
>> acoustic mesh used to optimise sound performance and millimetre-perfect
>> perforations help Sky Glass sound as good as it looks.
>>
>> Spectacular screen and spine-tingling sound
>>
>> With over a billion colours, a 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot screen delivers
>> crystal-clear picture, while the 10-bit HDR screen supports HLG, HDR10
>> and
>> Dolby Vision® to produce vibrant, more intense colour. Whether you’re
>> cheering on your team in the Premier League or getting stuck into the
>> latest blockbuster, Sky Glass knows what you’re watching and optimises
>> sound and picture for you, while Intelligent Zonal Technology works to
>> bring you darker darks and brights that look brighter.
>>
>> Transform your living room into a cinema, concert, or stadium with six
>> powerful, integrated speakers in optimal positions to deliver edge to
>> edge
>> Dolby Atmos® sound and a sub-woofer designed in for a rich, deep bass
>> - all
>> without buying a separate soundbar.
>>
>> The smarter TV with Sky inside
>>
>> With far field voice and Glance Motion Technology, just say “Hello
>> Sky” or
>> walk past to bring the streaming TV to life. A new home page makes it
>> easier to find, watch and play the TV you love. It brings all your
>> favourite content from across Sky, BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Disney+, ITV
>> Hub,
>> All4, Spotify, Peloton, PlayWorks and more. Use your voice to find
>> what you
>> want in a flash and to turn on the TV, control the volume or switch to
>> connected devices.
>>
>> At the press of a single button, you can now create a personal
>> Playlist of
>> your favourite shows, movies and more across apps and channels, live
>> and on
>> demand. The new plus button on the remote adds to your Playlist for
>> you to
>> stream any time you want – all in one place.
>>
>> You never need to miss a show again with live Restart, you can jump
>> straight back into anything that’s on now and available to watch from the
>> start.
>>
>> Doesn’t cost the Earth
>>
>> Sky Glass is the world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral®
>> product. Sustainably designed, it has low power features built in such as
>> auto-switch-off and auto-adjusting screen brightness helping it to be
>> more
>> energy efficient. It is the only TV to come in recyclable packaging, free
>> from single-use plastic and by using a TV with everything built in, you
>> reduce electricity consumption by up to 50%i.
>>
>> Hi-tech. Low price.
>>
>> Sky Glass is made to be affordable. Choose to buy your TV like you buy
>> your
>> mobile phone by paying in one go or spread the cost with interest-free
>> monthly payments. It is available from as little as £13 per month,
>> exclusively with Sky TV, starting from £26 for Sky Ultimate TV and for
>> the
>> first time HD is included as standard. That’s £39 per month to get the
>> 43”
>> Sky Glass TV plus every episode of award-winning Sky Originals and Sky
>> Exclusives, all your favourite channels and a fantastic line up you won’t
>> find on Freeview, as well as Netflix. For just £4 more a month you can
>> increase the size of your TV to a 55”, or £8 more for a 65”.
>>
>> It comes with a full two-year warranty and a free delivery service that
>> includes unboxing and packaging removal.
>>
>> For those that enjoy watching Sky in multiple rooms in your house, the
>> Whole Home pack puts Sky Glass inside any TV using the Sky Stream Puck
>> for
>> £10 a month.
>>
>> Coming soon…
>>
>> Sky Glass has been built as a platform which can be deployed by other
>> Telco
>> and subscription television operators so they can bring the Sky Glass
>> experience to their customers too. Sky today announces the Foxtel Group,
>> Australia's leading subscription TV company as its first Sky Glass
>> syndication partner. Sky Glass will launch in the Australian market as an
>> element of the Foxtel Group’s future roadmap for its Foxtel brand and
>> will
>> contain both Foxtel and third-party content. This is the first of many
>> collaborations as Sky Glass is scaled across the globe.
>>
>> Sky Glass will get even better in 2022, with the launch of a high spec 4K
>> smart camera that works seamlessly with Sky Glass and will unlock a range
>> of exciting new services for the whole family. It will transform how we
>> chat, play games, workout and share entertainment at home.
>>
>> Leveraging Comcast’s technology strength
>>
>> The streaming TV from Sky is built on technology borne of the
>> collaboration
>> as part of the Comcast Corporation – using the same operating system, and
>> with shared knowledge and expertise. A great example of how Sky and
>> Comcast
>> are together accelerating innovation across the company. Added to Sky’s
>> successful history of innovation gives the perfect combination of scale,
>> capability and brand power.
>>
>> Strongest line-up of products
>>
>> In 2022, Sky will offer its strongest ever line-up of products and
>> services
>> to sit alongside Sky Glass. In addition to Sky Glass, customers can enjoy
>> the award-winning Sky Q with all your favourite channels and apps in one
>> place, and with Sky Go you can now access an even better experience on
>> your
>> devices. Sky TV has new channels, new shows and new deals with Peacock,
>> Paramount+ and more. Sky Mobile was voted Best Pay Monthly and Best Value
>> Pay Monthly network by Uswitch, and with Sky Broadband we’re offering our
>> fastest speeds yet.
>>
>
>
> Sky must be concerned about their sat. service.The prices they charge
> are now exorbitant.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:39:53 +0100, "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:og8dmgptp2da32arooc2uqlg1ddaetfro7@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>>
>>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>>
>>>
>>>It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>>
>> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
>> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
>> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
>> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
>> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
>> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.
>>
>> The golden age of broadcast TV is over. I say this with some nostalgic
>> pain because I used to work in it, but it's beyond deniability now.
>
>there is 75% of the population older than this set
>

Yes, and some of us hardly ever watch broadcast TV either.

Rod.

In article <isohr2Ftck4U1@mid.individual.net>,
Tony Gamble says...

> A tiddly little Samsung8 phone with a minute screen is another.
>
> What would you say about the 'resolution' of its feed to the 55" tele?
>

I can cast files not the whole screen, the files look and sound OK, I
don't use it much.

--
Ken

Max Demian wrote:

> Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
> instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
Generally the latter ...

But not what I found when I tried to run a 4k film stream from my Galaxy
tablet to my OLED yesterday evening.

It stuttered.

I ran it from my Nvidia Shield and it was perfect.

Tony

On 14/10/2021 07:53, Andy Burns wrote:
> Max Demian wrote:
>
>> Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are
>> you instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
> Generally the latter ...

Tony Gamble wrote:

> But not what I found when I tried to run a 4k film stream from my Galaxy tablet
> to my OLED yesterday evening.
>
> It stuttered.

I find that WiDi or MiraCast from laptops to TVs is far too stuttery to be
bearable, even making the initial connection is not reliable.

But anything from a phone/tablet to chromecast device tells the device to fetch
its own stream from the source ... indeed you can reboot or turn off the phone
once it's started the stream.

> I ran it from my Nvidia Shield and it was perfect.