On 19/10/2022 16:45, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:35:18 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> One transmitter cannot serve the UK on Long wave especially to cheap
>> portable radios. There are three transmitters and many areas with poor
>> coverage.
>
> Even if long wave covered the whole of the solar system it would be
> pointless if nobody had radios capable of receiving it.

I have! Three! Tee-hee!

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:35:18 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 19/10/2022 15:42, David Woolley wrote:
>> I suspect the reason for it is that one transmitter can cover the whole
>> country, so you are not relying on having a lot of infrastructure
>> working. TV and DAB may well uplink to satellites before they get
>> transmitted terrestrially.
>
>One transmitter cannot serve the UK on Long wave especially to cheap
>portable radios. There are three transmitters and many areas with poor
>coverage.
>
True, I wouldn't fancy my chances in Thurso without Burghead.

On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 16:54:56 UTC+1, Scott wrote:

> True, I wouldn't fancy my chances in Thurso without Burghead.
I wouldn't fancy my chances in Thurso.
Bill

On 19/10/2022 16:35, MB wrote:
> On 19/10/2022 15:42, David Woolley wrote:
>> I suspect the reason for it is that one transmitter can cover the whole
>> country, so you are not relying on having a lot of infrastructure
>> working.  TV  and DAB may well uplink to satellites before they get
>> transmitted terrestrially.
>
>
> One transmitter cannot serve the UK on Long wave especially to cheap
> portable radios.  There are three transmitters and many areas with poor
> coverage.
>
>

FM has the advantage that the RBS system could presumably kick in if
distribution failed?

Also in years gone by, many R2 VHF transmitters could re-broadcast
Droitwich (before the wavelength changes). Just sayin'...

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Chris

On 19/10/2022 18:17, Chris Youlden wrote:
> FM has the advantage that the RBS system could presumably kick in if
> distribution failed?

Have you ever heard the VHF network running on RBS up the country!

In article <tipclj$36bv$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 19/10/2022 18:17, Chris Youlden wrote:
> > FM has the advantage that the RBS system could presumably kick in if
> > distribution failed?

> Have you ever heard the VHF network running on RBS up the country!

no, but I've seen Winter Hill on RBS

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On Wed 19/10/2022 18:37, MB wrote:
> On 19/10/2022 18:17, Chris Youlden wrote:
>> FM has the advantage that the RBS system could presumably kick in if
>> distribution failed?
>
>
> Have you ever heard the VHF network running on RBS up the country!
>
>
>

Oh yes, and its tested at least once every year, usually around this
time of year IMSMC.

Do they have any plans to use the many commercial stations around the
country, they could surely get more local news out that way.
Brian

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> Not sure if I will succumb to the panic but the BBC is preparing for
> emergency broadcasts:
>
> "EBC service would provide intermittent news bulletins on Radio 4's FM and
> long-wave frequencies and a 'music service', with news updates on the FM
> spectrum used by Radio 2."
>
> It looks like DAB is out so a battery or wind up radio covering FM and
> long wave would fit the bill.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:46:16 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

>Do they have any plans to use the many commercial stations around the
>country, they could surely get more local news out that way.
> Brian

Do these stations employ dedicated reporters and presenters? I
thought they were mostly syndicated with local jingles and adverts
dropped in by computer.

On 20/10/2022 12:01, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:46:16 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do they have any plans to use the many commercial stations around the
>> country, they could surely get more local news out that way.
>> Brian
> Do these stations employ dedicated reporters and presenters? I
> thought they were mostly syndicated with local jingles and adverts
> dropped in by computer.
Most of the local studios no longer exist anyway, the output derives
from server farms 100s of miles away, and the transmitters fed directly
from there.

There are a smattering of genuinely local community stations in the UK,
some are on FM, some are on AM, others on low power DAB, and/or on line

On 19/10/2022 in message <xn0noahqt8hnnyv008@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:

>It looks like DAB is out so a battery or wind up radio covering FM and
>long wave would fit the bill.

Many thanks for all the replies :-)

I have ordered a Tecsun PL-680 from Nevada in the hope it will get any
emergency broadcasts and may awaken my interest in scanning.

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On 16:37 19 Oct 2022, MB said:
> On 19/10/2022 15:52, charles wrote:
>>
>>
>> England, possibly, but not Scotland or Northern Ireland
>
>
> I suppose that with all the power off, there will be less
> interference from all the electrical interference generators so it
> might be possible to hear it in cities at least for those who can
> find a working Long Wave radio receiver.

As for a different emergency, some people in Europe (including Russians)
are stocking up on potassium iodide pills in case Putin explodes a nuclear
bomb.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-orders-urgent-purchase-large-155000834.html

Scott wrote:

> I thought they were mostly syndicated with local jingles and adverts dropped
> in by computer.
Talking of localised variations being dropped-in ...

Does anyone find that the end of Times Radio's adverts get crashed over by the
return to the presenters in the studio? I'm listening on various google
nest/chromecast devices, the ads used to be slotted-in very cleanly.

On 20 Oct 2022 11:34:31 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 19/10/2022 in message <xn0noahqt8hnnyv008@news.individual.net> Jeff
>Gaines wrote:
>
>>It looks like DAB is out so a battery or wind up radio covering FM and
>>long wave would fit the bill.
>
>Many thanks for all the replies :-)
>
>I have ordered a Tecsun PL-680 from Nevada in the hope it will get any
>emergency broadcasts and may awaken my interest in scanning.

It looks a bit like the one I have, but with knobs on - literally. I
have a small radio that has all of the features listed for this one,
but only keypad entry for everything, and I have to get the
instruction book out every time I use it. This looks a lot better.

I'm puzzled that the radio is said to require AA batteries, but below
the description it shows as "accessories for this product" a couple of
chargers for 18650s. I wonder which is correct?

Rod.

On 21/10/2022 in message <dtl4lhhui71qqk2orgeih38lo825om3pob@4ax.com>
Roderick Stewart wrote:

>>I have ordered a Tecsun PL-680 from Nevada in the hope it will get any
>>emergency broadcasts and may awaken my interest in scanning.
>
>It looks a bit like the one I have, but with knobs on - literally. I
>have a small radio that has all of the features listed for this one,
>but only keypad entry for everything, and I have to get the
>instruction book out every time I use it. This looks a lot better.
>
>I'm puzzled that the radio is said to require AA batteries, but below
>the description it shows as "accessories for this product" a couple of
>chargers for 18650s. I wonder which is correct?

It takes 4 x AA batteries either chargeable or not, there is apparently a
setting so it won't try and charge non chargeable batteries.

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Op 19-10-2022 om 15:24 schreef MB:
> On 19/10/2022 12:50, Scott wrote:
>> Couple of comments:
>> 1.  How can they say, 'Northern Ireland would be unaffected because
>> its electricity grid is shared with the Republic of Ireland'?   Surely
>> RoI is at risk of energy shortages in the same way as other European
>> countries?
>> 2.  Does this suggest that Droitwich LW will be retained on stand-by
>> for future emergencies?
>
>
>
> What would the point be?
>
> Very few people listen to Long Wave, start putting out emergency
> announcements and the few crickets nuts (who do listen) will start moaning.
>
> I don't think my car radio has Long Wave but never checked, most of my
> radios in the house do not have it and it useless around here despite
> the supposedly "national" coveragee.
>
> I suppose Rent-a-Mob will start protesting is the Southern Irish start
> digging up peat to keep their old power stations going!  Do they have
> any peat or coal powered ones left?
>
> I was reading a few days ago of some countries bringing forward Long
> Wave close down.

RTL 234 kHz is closing down on 31 decembre 2022.

After that, there are only:

153 Romania
162 France (no radio, just for clocks)
171 Marocco
189 Iceland
198 UK (4 transmitters)
207 Iceland
225 Poland
243 Denmark (only a few hours per day)
252 Ireland & Algeria

Mongolia has transmitters on 164. 209 and 227.
Yes, the old, old frequencies.
But most people in Europe cannot receive those.

Rink

On Sat 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
> Op 19-10-2022 om 15:24 schreef MB:
>> On 19/10/2022 12:50, Scott wrote:
>>> Couple of comments:
>>> 1.  How can they say, 'Northern Ireland would be unaffected because
>>> its electricity grid is shared with the Republic of Ireland'?   Surely
>>> RoI is at risk of energy shortages in the same way as other European
>>> countries?
>>> 2.  Does this suggest that Droitwich LW will be retained on stand-by
>>> for future emergencies?
>>
>>
>>
>> What would the point be?
>>
>> Very few people listen to Long Wave, start putting out emergency
>> announcements and the few crickets nuts (who do listen) will start
>> moaning.
>>
>> I don't think my car radio has Long Wave but never checked, most of my
>> radios in the house do not have it and it useless around here despite
>> the supposedly "national" coveragee.
>>
>> I suppose Rent-a-Mob will start protesting is the Southern Irish start
>> digging up peat to keep their old power stations going!  Do they have
>> any peat or coal powered ones left?
>>
>> I was reading a few days ago of some countries bringing forward Long
>> Wave close down.
>
>
> RTL 234 kHz is closing down on 31 decembre 2022.
>
> After that, there are only:
>
> 153 Romania
> 162 France (no radio, just for clocks)
> 171 Marocco
> 189 Iceland
> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
> 207 Iceland
> 225 Poland
> 243 Denmark (only a few hours per day)
> 252 Ireland & Algeria
>
> Mongolia has transmitters on 164. 209 and 227.
> Yes, the old, old frequencies.
> But most people in Europe cannot receive those.
>

UK LW broadcast sites on 198KHz are
Droitwich (Just north east of M5 J5)
Westerglen (Near Falkirk)
and Burghead (West of Lossiemouth on N coast of Scotland)

Where is the fourth - note broadcast - site?

On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
> 198 UK (4 transmitters)

The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
complete DAB coverage.

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:47:50 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
>
>
>The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
>Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
>complete DAB coverage.
>
Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:47:50 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
>>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
>>
>>
>> The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
>> Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
>> complete DAB coverage.
>>
> Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.
>

How does that work in the car?

Op 27-11-2022 om 9:42 schreef Woody:
> On Sat 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
>> Op 19-10-2022 om 15:24 schreef MB:
>>> On 19/10/2022 12:50, Scott wrote:
>>>> Couple of comments:
>>>> 1.  How can they say, 'Northern Ireland would be unaffected because
>>>> its electricity grid is shared with the Republic of Ireland'?   Surely
>>>> RoI is at risk of energy shortages in the same way as other European
>>>> countries?
>>>> 2.  Does this suggest that Droitwich LW will be retained on stand-by
>>>> for future emergencies?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What would the point be?
>>>
>>> Very few people listen to Long Wave, start putting out emergency
>>> announcements and the few crickets nuts (who do listen) will start
>>> moaning.
>>>
>>> I don't think my car radio has Long Wave but never checked, most of
>>> my radios in the house do not have it and it useless around here
>>> despite the supposedly "national" coveragee.
>>>
>>> I suppose Rent-a-Mob will start protesting is the Southern Irish
>>> start digging up peat to keep their old power stations going!  Do
>>> they have any peat or coal powered ones left?
>>>
>>> I was reading a few days ago of some countries bringing forward Long
>>> Wave close down.
>>
>>
>> RTL 234 kHz is closing down on 31 decembre 2022.
>>
>> After that, there are only:
>>
>> 153 Romania
>> 162 France (no radio, just for clocks)
>> 171 Marocco
>> 189 Iceland
>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
>> 207 Iceland
>> 225 Poland
>> 243 Denmark (only a few hours per day)
>> 252 Ireland & Algeria
>>
>> Mongolia has transmitters on 164. 209 and 227.
>> Yes, the old, old frequencies.
>> But most people in Europe cannot receive those.
>>
>
> UK LW broadcast sites on 198KHz are
> Droitwich (Just north east of M5 J5)
> Westerglen (Near Falkirk)
> and Burghead (West of Lossiemouth on N coast of Scotland)
>
> Where is the fourth - note broadcast - site?
>

Dartfort Tunnel near London, only 4 Watt.

Rink

On 27/11/2022 16:33, Tweed wrote:
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:47:50 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
>>>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
>>>
>>>
>>> The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
>>> Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
>>> complete DAB coverage.
>>>
>> Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.
>>
>
> How does that work in the car?

Everyone has Internet access everywhere, didn't you know? This is how
people can access parking apps to pay for parking now there aren't any
coin machines. Do keep up!

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On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:55:16 PM UTC+5:30, Max Demian wrote:
> On 27/11/2022 16:33, Tweed wrote:
> > Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:47:50 +0000, MB <M...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
> >>>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
> >>> Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
> >>> complete DAB coverage.
> >>>
> >> Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.
> >>
> >
> > How does that work in the car?
> Everyone has Internet access everywhere, didn't you know? This is how
> people can access parking apps to pay for parking now there aren't any
> coin machines. Do keep up!
>
> --
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yes have a look at this https://opautoclicker.onl/download/

On 27/11/2022 16:14, Scott wrote:
> Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.

Not very helpful to peopl who want to listen to the RADIO in the car etc.

On 27/11/2022 16:33, Tweed wrote:
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:47:50 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2022 23:28, Rink wrote:
>>>> 198 UK (4 transmitters)
>>>
>>>
>>> The BBC should just tell the government that they will only continue on
>>> Long Wave if fully funded by government and use the money save to
>>> complete DAB coverage.
>>>
>> Some might say they should scrap DAB and focus on BBC Sounds.
>>
>
> How does that work in the car?
>

many cars now come with or have an option for a 4g router to Wifi now.....