On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>> AU$38.23
>
>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>
>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>
>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>
>> Not that I see how,
>
>Watch Big Clive's utubes
>
>> seems well made
>
>Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>
No circuit diagram with it
>
>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>
>A few months proves nothing.
>
It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
magnetic field
goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
(unit micro Tesla)
to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>
>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>
>Watch Big Clive's utubes
>
Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
https://t.ly/hnkx9
>
>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>
Why I shut everything down long before bed
--
Petzl
With the exception of emergency aid for disasters such as floods and earthquakes,
most foreign aid is best described as taking money from poor people in rich countries
and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
Corruption is endemic.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>
>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>
>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>
>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>>
>>> Not that I see how,
>>
>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>
>>> seems well made
>>
>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.

> No circuit diagram with it

So you have no way to know if it is well designed
so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.

Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.

>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>
>> A few months proves nothing.

> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
> magnetic field
> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
> (unit micro Tesla)
> to 70 when I read it a inch away?

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e

>> Watch Big Clive's utubes

> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
> https://t.ly/hnkx9

He also tears down the expensive stuff
and shows how its designed to fail safe.

>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though

> Why I shut everything down long before bed

Wont help when it fails during the day.

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>
>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>
>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>
>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>>>
>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>
>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>
>>>> seems well made
>>>
>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>
>> No circuit diagram with it
>
>So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>
I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
You often have panic attacks
>
>Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>
>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>
>>> A few months proves nothing.
>
>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>> magnetic field
>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>> (unit micro Tesla)
>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>
>All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>
I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59

Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but only within a
6 inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, no more than room
temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>
>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>
>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>
>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>
>He also tears down the expensive stuff
>and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>
Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>
>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>
>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>
>Wont help when it fails during the day.
>
it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>
--
Petzl
With the exception of emergency aid for disasters such as floods and earthquakes,
most foreign aid is best described as taking money from poor people in rich countries
and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
Corruption is endemic.

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger
>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>
>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>
>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>
>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>
>>>>> seems well made
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>
>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>
>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.

> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,

You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.

>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>
>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>
>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>
>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>> magnetic field
>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?

>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin a 6
> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
> temperature. it has ample vent holes,

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>
>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>
>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>
>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.

> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.

Not even possible when its potted and the best
of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.

The Philips Hue stuff is potted.

> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.

Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.

>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>
>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>
>> Wont help when it fails during the day.

> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.

You have no basis for that certainty.

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger
>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>
>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>
>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>
>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>
>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>
>You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>
>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>
>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>
>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>
>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>> magnetic field
>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>
>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>
>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>
>All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>
>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin a 6
>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>
>All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>
>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>
>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>
>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>
>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>
>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>
>Not even possible when its potted and the best
>of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>
>The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>
>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>
>Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>
>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>
>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>
>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>
>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>
>You have no basis for that certainty.
>
The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger which you believe is a
worry?
My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
https://t.ly/-bq5G
The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
USB charger to me?
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:10:13 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger
>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>>
>>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>>
>>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>>
>>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>>
>> You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>>
>>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>>
>>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>>
>>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>>> magnetic field
>>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>>
>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>
>>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>>
>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>
>>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin a 6
>>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>>
>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>
>>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>>
>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>
>>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>>
>>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>>
>>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>>
>> Not even possible when its potted and the best
>> of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>>
>> The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>>
>>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>>
>> Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>> 110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>> plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>>
>>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>>
>>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>>
>>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>>
>>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>>
>> You have no basis for that certainty.

> The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.

Still better to not kill it.

> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger

So how do you charge your phone ?

> which you believe is a worry?

Of course it is with a decent phone.

> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
> https://t.ly/-bq5G

So how do you charge your phone ?

> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
> USB charger to me?

So how do you charge your phone ?

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 20:04:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:10:13 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger
>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>>>
>>>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>>>
>>>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>>>
>>> You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>>>
>>>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>>>> magnetic field
>>>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>>>
>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>
>>>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>>>
>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>
>>>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin a 6
>>>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>>>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>>>
>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>
>>>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>
>>>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>>>
>>>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>>>
>>>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>>>
>>> Not even possible when its potted and the best
>>> of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>>>
>>> The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>>>
>>>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>>> 110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>>> plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>>>
>>>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>>>
>>> You have no basis for that certainty.
>
>> The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
>
>Still better to not kill it.
>
>> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger
>
>So how do you charge your phone ?
>
on my computer it backs up my phone to Gmail
>
>> which you believe is a worry?
>
>Of course it is with a decent phone.
>
Motorola mobiles have the best voice transmission/receiving range of
all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest Iphone.
Very pleased with mine thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP

I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction ($200 snipe) for a
Kiwi friend of mine who lives in the bush on the West Coast near
Greymouth.
His reaction to me asking if any problems
"Nah she's perfect"
Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearer voice
than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones) who are
impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>
>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>
>So how do you charge your phone ?
>
>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>> USB charger to me?
>
>So how do you charge your phone ?
>
on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up, had a virus from a
google play App reset to default and magically after connecting to
WiFi and Gmail a second later my phone back to where I had left it.

Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android
>
--
Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
“Everything that defines us is now an enemy,
so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
when I no longer have an identity or roots,
then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
: - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 10:50:04 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 20:04:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:10:13 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>>>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>>>>
>>>>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>>>>
>>>> You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>>>>
>>>>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>>>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>>>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>>>>> magnetic field
>>>>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>>>>
>>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>
>>>>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>>>>
>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>
>>>>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin
>>>>> a 6
>>>>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>>>>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>>>>
>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>>>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>>>>
>>>> Not even possible when its potted and the best
>>>> of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>>>>
>>>> The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>>>>
>>>>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>>>> 110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>>>> plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>>>>
>>>>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>>>>
>>>> You have no basis for that certainty.
>>
>>> The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
>>
>> Still better to not kill it.
>>
>>> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger
>>
>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>
> on my computer it backs up my phone to Gmail
>>
>>> which you believe is a worry?
>>
>> Of course it is with a decent phone.

> Motorola mobiles have the best voice transmission/receiving range

What do you mean by that ?

> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
> Iphone.

Who decided that.

> Very pleased with mine

So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.

> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP

> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
> His reaction to me asking if any problems
> "Nah she's perfect"

And he doesnt even need to wear gum boots when fucking it.

> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).

So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

>>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>>
>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>
>>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>>> USB charger to me?
>>
>> So how do you charge your phone ?

> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail

Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.

> If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,

Any half way decent phone can do that.

> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I had
> left it.

> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:10:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 10:50:04 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 20:04:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:10:13 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>>>>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>>>>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>>>>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>>>>>> magnetic field
>>>>>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>>>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>>>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>>>>>
>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin
>>>>>> a 6
>>>>>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>>>>>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>>>>>
>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>>>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>>>>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even possible when its potted and the best
>>>>> of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>>>>> 110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>>>>> plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no basis for that certainty.
>>>
>>>> The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
>>>
>>> Still better to not kill it.
>>>
>>>> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger
>>>
>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>>
>> on my computer it backs up my phone to Gmail
>>>
>>>> which you believe is a worry?
>>>
>>> Of course it is with a decent phone.
>
>> Motorola mobiles have the best voice transmission/receiving range
>
>What do you mean by that ?
>
Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>
>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>> Iphone.
>
>Who decided that.
>
Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
"Moto g 5G plus"
>
>> Very pleased with mine
>
>So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>
>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>
>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>> "Nah she's perfect"
>
>And he doesnt even need to wear gum boots when fucking it.
>
I won't go that far?
>
>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>
>So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
Any charger can maybe do that, but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>
>>>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>>>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>>>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>>>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>>>
>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>>
>>>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>>>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>>>> USB charger to me?
>>>
>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>
>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>
>Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>
? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>
>> If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>
>Any half way decent phone can do that.
>
Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>
>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I had
>> left it.
>
>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:10:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 10:50:04 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 20:04:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:10:13 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 11:23:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged
>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not that I see how,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> seems well made
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No circuit diagram with it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you have no way to know if it is well designed
>>>>>>>> so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>>>>>>>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>>>>>>>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>>>>>>>> magnetic field
>>>>>>>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>>>>>>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>>>>>>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin
>>>>>>> a 6
>>>>>>> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room
>>>>>>> temperature. it has ample vent holes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>>>>>>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>>>>>>>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even possible when its potted and the best
>>>>>> of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Philips Hue stuff is potted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
>>>>>> 110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
>>>>>> plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wont help when it fails during the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have no basis for that certainty.
>>>>
>>>>> The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
>>>>
>>>> Still better to not kill it.
>>>>
>>>>> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger
>>>>
>>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>>>
>>> on my computer it backs up my phone to Gmail
>>>>
>>>>> which you believe is a worry?
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is with a decent phone.
>>
>>> Motorola mobiles have the best voice transmission/receiving range
>>
>> What do you mean by that ?

> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly

I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.

>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>> Iphone.

>> Who decided that.

> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe

Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.

And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.

> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
> "Moto g 5G plus"

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> What do you mean by that ?
>
>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>
>I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>
Those doing advertisements for them might!

But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
Samsung are more interested in providing fluff like reality glasses,
photo's and such.
My Moto photo's are adequate
https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)
>
>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>> Iphone.
>
>>> Who decided that.
>
>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>
>Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>
Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
Choice magazine once did a check on cat food, they found at the time
the best was the Aldi and the cheapest.
The others were slowly killing them.
That did not go down well at all.
>
>And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>
You always believe what your ouija board tells you not fact.
>
>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>
>What phone band.
>
mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap
>
>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>
>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>
>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>
>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>
Snip for the kiddies
>
>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>
>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
>Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>a proper optical isolator.
>
Why would this one be?
Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging but you didn't
believe that either?
>
>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>
>Others have. You are what is technically known
>as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>
You though are a adequate sample?
Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>
SNIP
>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>
>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>
>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>
>Which Samsung ?
>
Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>
>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>
>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>
>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>
>That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>
Yes
But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
versa?
My Windows phone would not!
>
>>>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
>>>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I
>>>> had left it.
>>>
>>>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>>>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android
--
Petzl
Churches and schools are under attack by forces that seek to demonize
traditional values by conflating them with bigotry and oppression.
Progressive teachers and church leaders promote LGBT ideologies that,
left unchecked, would destroy the traditional family — the foundation
of Western civilization.
https://youtu.be/FCh6auCKYS0?t=93
Laura Aboli “Transhumanism: The End Game”

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>
>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>
>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.

> Those doing advertisements for them might!

Who cares ?

> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.

That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
you said. No point in repeating all that.

> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
> photo's and such.

More bullshit.

> My Moto photo's are adequate
> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)

I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
I do prefer the much higher quality videos.

>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>> Iphone.
>>
>>>> Who decided that.
>>
>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>
>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.

> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
> Choice magazine

We aren't discussing Choice, we are
discussing the UK equivalent, Which.

> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the
> Aldi and the cheapest.
> The others were slowly killing them.
> That did not go down well at all.

>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>
>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>
>> What phone band.

> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap

I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.

>>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>>
>>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>>
>>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>>
>>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a
>>>>> Kiwi
>>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near
>>>>> Greymouth.
>>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>>
> Snip for the kiddies
>>
>>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>>
>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>
>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>
>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>> a proper optical isolator.

> Why would this one be?

So the charger doesnt kill what
is being charged if it dies.

> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.

Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.

> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging

The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

> but you didn't believe that either?

Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.

>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>
>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.

> You though are a adequate sample?

Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.

> Have a lot of tech savvy mates

But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.

> SNIP
>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>
>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>
>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>
>> Which Samsung ?
>>
> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>
>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>
>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>
>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>
>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>
> Yes
> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
> versa?
> My Windows phone would not!

Your Moto doesnt do iphones.

>>>>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically
>>>>> after
>>>>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I
>>>>> had left it.
>>>>
>>>>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>>>>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:07:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>>
>>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>>
>>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>
>> Those doing advertisements for them might!
>
>Who cares ?
>
Those who PSYOP peoples thinking like yours Rod!
>
>> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
>> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
>> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
>
>That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
>you said. No point in repeating all that.
>
In reality I can get signal when others can't Rod why is that you
think?
>
>> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
>> photo's and such.
>
>More bullshit.
>
Bought 1 Samsung never again. Their present adverts are promoting,
gaming, photo's and videos, not signal reception.
My Kiwi mate confirms this and he is much more tech savvy than even
you Rod and he don't "bullshit" ever.
>
>> My Moto photo's are adequate
>> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
>> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)
>
>I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
>I do prefer the much higher quality videos.
>
As a photographer I admit I stink nut not seen a better photo than my
Moto takes, this was without flash full depth of field, no dark spots
https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
>
>>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>>> Iphone.
>>>
>>>>> Who decided that.
>>>
>>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>>
>>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>
>> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
>> Choice magazine
>
>We aren't discussing Choice, we are
>discussing the UK equivalent, Which.
>
Not sure, Choice I believe, don't see why the UK equivalent would be
different?
>
>> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the
>> Aldi and the cheapest.
>> The others were slowly killing them.
>> That did not go down well at all.
>
>>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>>
>>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>>
>>> What phone band.
>
>> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap
>
>I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.
>
Sent you a link in last message
Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>
>>>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>>>
>>>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a
>>>>>> Kiwi
>>>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near
>>>>>> Greymouth.
>>>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>>>
>> Snip for the kiddies
>>>
>>>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>>>
>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>> a proper optical isolator.
>
>> Why would this one be?
>
>So the charger doesnt kill what
>is being charged if it dies.
>
NEVER had that happen ever?
Don't believe it will happen with my 30 port USB charger
>
>> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
>> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
>
>Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.
>
NEVER had that happen ever?
>
>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>
>The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>to get from the charger to the device, stupid.
>
Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

>> but you didn't believe that either?
>
>Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.
>
Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.
>
>>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>>
>>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>
>> You though are a adequate sample?
>
>Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
>that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.
>
>> Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>
>But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.
>
Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.
>
>> SNIP
>>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>>
>>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>>
>>> Which Samsung ?
>>>
>> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>>
>>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>>
>>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>>
>>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>>
>>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>>
>> Yes
>> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
>> versa?
>> My Windows phone would not!
>
>Your Moto doesnt do iphones.
>
Probably not, do iphones dp Android?
>
>>>>>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I
>>>>>> had left it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>>>>>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android
--
Petzl
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
- Soren Kierkegaard

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:50:00 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:07:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>>>
>>>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>>>
>>>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>>
>>> Those doing advertisements for them might!
>>
>> Who cares ?
>>
>>> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
>>> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
>>> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
>>
>> That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
>> you said. No point in repeating all that.
>>
> In reality I can get signal when others can't Rod why is that you
> think?

Don't believe that you are the only one to get a signal.

>>> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
>>> photo's and such.
>>
>> More bullshit.

> Bought 1 Samsung never again.

That one did catch fire, but that's a different issue.

> Their present adverts are promoting, gaming,photo's and videos, not
> signal reception.

Irrelevant to how well their phones perform signal reception wise.
Mate of mine works as a council truck driver well west of me and
knows how they perform in the fringe areas because that is where
he spends most of his work time and he is always easy to understand.

> My Kiwi mate confirms this and he is muchmore tech savvy than even you
> Rod

Bullshit.

>>> My Moto photo's are adequate
>>> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
>>> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)

>> I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
>> I do prefer the much higher quality videos.

> As a photographer I admit I stink nut not seen a better photo than my
> Moto takes, this was without flash full depth of field, no dark spots
> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3

Plenty on tiktok leave that for dead.

>>>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>>>> Iphone.
>>>>
>>>>>> Who decided that.
>>>>
>>>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>>>
>>>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>>
>>> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
>>> Choice magazine
>>
>> We aren't discussing Choice, we are
>> discussing the UK equivalent, Which.

> Not sure, Choice I believe,

That's not what you said, previously, its still there in the quoting.

> don't see why the UK equivalent would be different?

It is anyway.

>>> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the
>>> Aldi and the cheapest.
>>> The others were slowly killing them.
>>> That did not go down well at all.
>>
>>>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>>>
>>>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>>>
>>>> What phone band.
>>
>>> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap
>>
>> I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.

> Sent you a link in last message
> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php

That's not the PHONE BAND you and your neighbour are USING.

>>>>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a
>>>>>>> Kiwi
>>>>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near
>>>>>>> Greymouth.
>>>>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>>>>
>>> Snip for the kiddies
>>>>
>>>>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with
>>>>>>> clearervoice
>>>>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>>
>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>>
>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>
>>> Why would this one be?
>>
>> So the charger doesnt kill what
>> is being charged if it dies.

> NEVER had that happen ever?

The technical term for that is 'pathetically indaequate sample'

> Don't believe it will happen with my 30 port USB charger

You have no basis for that belief.

>>> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
>>> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
>>
>> Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.
>>
> NEVER had that happen ever?

The technical term for that is 'pathetically indaequate sample'

>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>>
>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

Bullshit and that won't save the device when the
failed charger fails and puts 240V on the device.

>>> but you didn't believe that either?
>>
>> Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.
>>
> Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

Using them says nothing about HOW THEY WORK, stupid.

>>>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>>>
>>>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>>>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>>
>>> You though are a adequate sample?
>>
>> Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
>> that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.
>>
>>> Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>>
>> But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.
>>
> Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

Using them says nothing about HOW THEY WORK, stupid.

>>> SNIP
>>>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>>>
>>>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Which Samsung ?
>>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>>>
>>>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>>>
>>>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>>>
>>>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>>>
>>>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>>>
>>> Yes
>>> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
>>> versa?
>>> My Windows phone would not!
>>
>> Your Moto doesnt do iphones.
>>
> Probably not, do iphones dp Android?

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 08:15:15 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>>>
>>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.
>
>> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.
>
>Bullshit and that won't save the device when the
>failed charger fails and puts 240V on the device.
>
That has only happened once in the history of Australia.
Very confident it can't and won't happen with my 20 port USB charger!
<https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faulty-usb-phone-charger-blamed-for-sheryl-aldeguers-death-20140627-zsoc8.html>
https://t.ly/by5wX
Faulty USB phone charger blamed for Sheryl Aldeguer's death
Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found dead while wearing
headphones inside an East Gosford home with burns on her ears and
chest after a faulty charger sent a high current through her body,
according to Fair Trading NSW.
Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found dead while wearing
headphones inside an East Gosford home with burns on her ears and
chest after a faulty charger sent a high current through her body,
according to Fair Trading NSW.
--
Petzl
Only the Irish Leprignomes have remained aloof and their family
heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

On 10/02/2024 2:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
> a proper optical isolator.

How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

>>> Any charger can maybe do that,

>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>> a proper optical isolator.

> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?

By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.

Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging

>>>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>>>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

>>> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

>> Bullshit and that won't save the device whenthe charger fails and puts
>> 240V on the device.

> That has only happened once in the history of Australia.

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> Very confident it can't and won't happen with my 20 port USB charger!
> <https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faulty-usb-phone-charger-blamed-for-sheryl-aldeguers-death-20140627-zsoc8.html>
> https://t.ly/by5wX

That's just a human death, stupid.

> Faulty USB phone charger blamed for Sheryl Aldeguer'sdeath
> Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found deadwhile wearing
> headphones inside an East Gosford home withburns on her ears and chest
> after a faulty charger sent a highcurrent through her body, according
> to Fair Trading NSW.

On 11/02/2024 9:43 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>> a proper optical isolator.
>
>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>
> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>
> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

So the opto-isolator completely isolates the USB socket from the mains plug?

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,

>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>> a proper optical isolator.

>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?

>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.

>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the mains
> plug?

With one that is designed properly, yep.

On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>
>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>
>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>
>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>
>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>> mains  plug?
>
> With one that is designed properly, yep.

Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

On 12/2/2024 8:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>
>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>
>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>
>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>
>>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>
>>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>
>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>>> mains  plug?
>>
>> With one that is designed properly, yep.

Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
*blocking current* from one device to another.
>
> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 20:34:59 +1100, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>
>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>
>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>
>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>
>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>
>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>
>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the
>>> mains plug?
>> With one that is designed properly, yep.
>
> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the USB
side

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:20:46 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 12/2/2024 8:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>> safe?
>>>
>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the
>>>> mains plug?
>>>
>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.

> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*whilst
> *blocking current* from one device to another.

You always 'thought' wrong, as always,

>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

Look at the big clive circuit.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:20:46 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 12/2/2024 8:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>>
>>>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>>>> mains  plug?
>>>
>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.
>
>Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>*blocking current* from one device to another.
>
Well a cheap one is over US$100 rely on optical data conection waithg
for smoke, or Sydney air!
<https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
https://t.ly/anmGm
OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
PORT-POWERED)

Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
No other USB port charger has one either!

More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
The melting plastic sticking to your skin
But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry

>>
>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
>Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!
--
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