On 14/2/2024 4:37 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>>> instance, killing someone!
>
> Bare faced lie.

Well, no proof it was an Apple charger.
>
>>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>
>> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
>> they sold with it at the time.
>
> Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

Yep, every Apple device I have comes with an Apple certified charger.
>
>> Apple are full of twist and spin.
>
> You have never had a fucking clue.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>>>
>>>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>>>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>>>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM
>>>> Samsung chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>>>
>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>
>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>> Not dead yet?
>>>
>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>
>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>
>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphonestarted coming with a safer
>>> charger,
>>
>> THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.
>>
>>> rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did notput that charger with
>>> the Iphone they then sold?
>>
>> Nothing was reworded.

>> THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.

> Never said it was!

Everyone can see that you did.

> It came with the 2013 Apple phone bought from a Apple store

BULLSHIT.

> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
> charge it.

Just because some fuckwit claims something...

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>>>> instance, killing someone!

>> Bare faced lie.

> Well, no proof it was an Apple charger.

In fact we know that it wasnt,

>>>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>>>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>>>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>>
>>> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
>>> they sold with it at the time.

>> Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

> Yep, every Apple device I have comes with an Apple certified charger.

They have just recently stopped doithat.

>>> Apple are full of twist and spin.

>> You have never had a fucking clue.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>
>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>
>A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>
Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
it.
Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>
>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>> Not dead yet?
>
>Due!
>>
>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>
>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>
>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>
>Who is doing the rewording?
>
Read it
<https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
https://t.ly/8zqgJ
According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>
>Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>was *not* an Apple unit.

On 14/2/2024 9:22 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>
>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>
>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>
> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.

Fakes of paper certification are made too.

> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
> it.
> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.

EBay, says it all.

Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
be most affected when globalisation shuts down - and that process has
already begun. That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring and
friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim Cooke
has *finally* woken up.

>>
>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>> Not dead yet?
>>
>> Due!
>>>
>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>
>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>
>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>
>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>
> Read it

I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!

> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>
>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>
>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>> was *not* an Apple unit.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:22:19 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>
>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>
>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>
> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
> it.
> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>
>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>> Not dead yet?
>>
>> Due!
>>>
>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>
>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>
>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>
>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>
> Read it
> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>
>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>> was *not* an Apple unit.

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>
>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>
>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>
>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>
> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>
>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>> it.
>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>
> EBay, says it all.
>
> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
> by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
> China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
> fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
> be most affected when globalisation shuts down

Globalisation will never shut down.

> - and that process has already begun.

Bullshit.

> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring

That isnt happening.

> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim
> Cooke has *finally* woken up.

Fantasy.

>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>
>>> Due!
>>>>
>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>
>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>
>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>
>> Read it
>
> I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!

>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>
>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On 15/02/2024 4:44 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:22:19 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>
>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>
>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>
>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>> it.
>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>>
>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>
>>> Due!
>>>>
>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>
>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>
>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>
>> Read it
>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>       https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>
> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
doesn't like.....
>
>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>
>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:44:31 +1100, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

> On 15/02/2024 4:44 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:22:19 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>
>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>
>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>> it.
>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>>>
>>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>>
>>>> Due!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>> safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
> doesn't like.....

Nothing to do with what I like, fuckwit.

What matters is the FACT that it was not an apple charger.

>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>> question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 07:44:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>       https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>
>Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>doesn't like.....
>>
many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.
Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
<https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
https://t.ly/a8tah
"We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

*Apple declined to comment on details, such as whether this was an
isolated case.*

Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
a message that went viral on the site.

>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.
--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:08:40 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 14/2/2024 9:22 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>
>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>
>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>
>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>
>Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>
Who reads them even if realm which they mainly are?
>
>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>> it.
>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>
>EBay, says it all.
>
Most big retailers are on there, bought a fan from Harvey Norman a
month ago, a lot cheaper than their store/
My Moto was bought from a large Ebay retailer also
>
>Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
>by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
>China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
>fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
>be most affected when globalisation shuts down - and that process has
>already begun. That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring and
>friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim Cooke
>has *finally* woken up.
>
Just make sure it's not answered while charging unless you use this
Petzl one.
https://t.ly/A4CXM
Apple declined to comment on details, such as whether this was an
isolated case.
>>>
>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>
>>> Due!
>>>>
>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>
>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>
>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>
>> Read it
>
>I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!
>
Told me she bought the Iphone and charger from a Apple shop.
You are like Rod Psyop'ed by ads. "It's to do with the vibe"
IMO Iphones are the best mobiles on the market just expensive.

>
>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>
>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>> was *not* an Apple unit.
--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote

>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>> safer
>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that

>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?

>>>> Read it
>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>> doesn't like.....

> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,

Wrong, as always.

> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.

Wrong, as always.

> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.

You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.

> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
> https://t.ly/a8tah
> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

Doesnt mean that it was there charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.

> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
> isolated case.*

We know it was, fuckwit.

> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
> a message that went viral on the site.

Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.

>>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined,
>>>>> and
>>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>>> question
>>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:27:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:08:40 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/2/2024 9:22 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>
>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>
>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>
>> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>>
> Who reads them even if realm which they mainly are?
>>
>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>> it.
>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>
>> EBay, says it all.
>>
> Most big retailers are on there, bought a fan from Harvey Norman a
> month ago, a lot cheaper than their store/
> My Moto was bought from a large Ebay retailer also
>>
>> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
>> by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
>> China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
>> fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
>> be most affected when globalisation shuts down - and that process has
>> already begun. That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring and
>> friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim Cooke
>> has *finally* woken up.
>>
> Just make sure it's not answered while charging unless you use this
> Petzl one.
> https://t.ly/A4CXM
> Apple declined to comment on details, such as whether this was an
> isolated case.
>>>>
>>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>>
>>>> Due!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>> safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>
>> I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!

> Told me she bought the Iphone and charger from a Apple shop.

That phone CAME WITH A CHARGER, you pig ignorant clown.

> You are like Rod Psyop'ed by ads. "It's to do with the vibe"

Nothing to do with any ad, fuckwit.

> IMO Iphones are the best mobiles on the market just expensive.

>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>>
>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>> question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On 15/2/2024 5:48 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>
>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>
>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>
>> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>>
>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>> it.
>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>
>> EBay, says it all.
>>
>> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in
>> China) by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may
>> occur in China, very few components in those products are manufactured
>> there. In fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised
>> - and will be most affected when globalisation shuts down
>
> Globalisation will never shut down.

The Ukraine war has already precipitated the move.
>
>> - and that process has  already begun.
>
> Bullshit.

Nope, Covid began the thinking, others are well into the transition away
from China. Apple has way too much sunk cost to do an early and easy
move - but it is in the works and recent CCP initiatives re Apple have
ensured it.
>
>> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring
>
> That isnt happening.

You are reading the wrong news sources
>
>> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim
>> Cooke has *finally* woken up.
>
> Fantasy.

Hardly!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-production-of-apple-iphones-has-been-moving-from-china-to-india#

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-28/apple-suppliers-are-racing-to-exit-china-airpods-maker-says?embedded-checkout=true

https://bestdiplomats.org/apple-shifting-from-china-to-india/#:~:text=Over%20reliance%20on%20China%20has,trade%20tensions%20or%20natural%20disasters.
>
>>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>>
>>>> Due!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>
>> I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!
>
>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>        https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>>
>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>>
>>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>>
>>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>>
>>> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>>>
>>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>>> it.
>>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>>
>>> EBay, says it all.
>>>
>>> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in
>>> China) by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may
>>> occur in China, very few components in those products are manufactured
>>> there. In fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised
>>> - and will be most affected when globalisation shuts down

>> Globalisation will never shut down.

> The Ukraine war has already precipitated the move.

Bullshit is has.

>>> - and that process has already begun.

>> Bullshit.

> Nope, Covid began the thinking,

Bullshit.

> others are well into the transition away from China.

Bullshit.

> Apple has way too much sunk cost to do anearly and easy move - but it
> is in the works andrecent CCP initiatives re Apple have ensured it.

Bullshit.

>>> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring

>> That isnt happening.

> You are reading the wrong news sources

Have fun listing any useful news sources that say anything like that.

>>> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the partybut at least Tim
>>> Cooke has *finally* woken up.

>> Fantasy.

> Hardly!

Fraid so.

> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-production-of-apple-iphones-has-been-moving-from-china-to-india#

Bullshit.

> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-28/apple-suppliers-are-racing-to-exit-china-airpods-maker-says?embedded-checkout=true

Bloomberg is just stock pumping, as always.

> https://bestdiplomats.org/apple-shifting-from-china-to-india/#:~:text=Over%20reliance%20on%20China%20has,trade%20tensions%20or%20natural%20disasters.

That steaming turd has never had a fucking clue.

>>>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> Due!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>> safer
>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>>
>>>> Read it
>>>
>>> I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!
>>
>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>>>
>>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined,
>>>>> and
>>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>>> question
>>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On 13/02/2024 2:06 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 20:34:59 +1100, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>>
>>>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>>>> mains  plug?
>>>  With one that is designed properly, yep.
>>
>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
> Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

Well speed, the only question is whether you're losing your marbles or
just never knew anything about electronics.

The "Opto" cannot supply power to the USB socket because it is an
opto-ISOLATOR, ie it ISOLATES one part of a circuit from an other so
that no current can pass.

The power, as anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject
knows, is passed through the transformer. The charger rectifies the
incoming AC and powers a circuit on the primary (high voltage) side
which feeds the transformer primary with high frequency AC. The
transformer being a step down, the secondary's rectified output gives 5
volts to the output socket. The transformer, if well made, is the main
isolator between the high voltage side and the low voltage side.

A well made charger will have physical isolation between the two sides,
the dangerous ones don't. Here's your mate Clive telling us how safe
this one is because of the physical separation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJbxhA0E3E

You'll note that although is is safe, it doesn't have an opto-isolator,
that's because it doesn't take the regulation feedback from the the
secondary side, although, as Clive demonstrates, the regulation is just
fine.

The Apple charger takes it's feedback from the secondary, and thus needs
an isolator in the feedback loop.Theoretically this is a better way of
regulating the output voltage, but in practice it makes bugger all
difference here, it's just Apple gold plating it's stuff as usual so
they can claim a "Superior product" and charge more for it, and it gives
something for the fanbois to boast about.

USB-C, the standard that Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming
into, is different, it can supply different voltages depending on what
the load can take, and thus needs a secondary to primary connection.

> Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the
> USB side

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>>
>>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>>> safe?
>>>>
>>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

>>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolates
>>>>> the USB socket from the mains plug?

>>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.

>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

>> Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

> Well speed, the only question is whether you're losing yourmarbles or
> just never knew anything about electronics.

> The "Opto" cannot supply power to the USB socket because it is an
> opto-ISOLATOR, ie it ISOLATES one part of a circuit from an other so
> that no current can pass.

Never said that current goes thru that, fuckwit.

> The power, as anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject
> knows, is passed through the transformer. The charger rectifies the
> incoming AC and powers a circuit on the primary (high voltage) side
> which feeds the transformer primary with high frequency AC. The
> transformer being a step down, the secondary's rectified output gives 5
> volts to the output socket. The transformer, if well made, is the main
> isolator between the high voltage side and the low voltage side.

Duh.

> A well made charger will have physical isolation between the two sides,

And that involves the opto, fuckwit.

> the dangerous ones don't. Here's your mate Clive telling ushow safe
> this one is because of the physical separation

And he points out that the opto does that, fuckwit.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJbxhA0E3E

> You'll note that although is is safe, it doesn't have an opto-isolator,

The Apple chargers do, fuckwit.

> that's because it doesn't take the regulation feedback from the the
> secondary side, although, as Clive demonstrates, the regulation is just
> fine.

> The Apple charger takes it's feedback from the secondary, and thus needs
> an isolator in the feedback loop.Theoretically this is a better way of
> regulating the output voltage, but in practice it makes bugger all
> difference here,

Bullshit.

> it's just Apple gold plating it's stuff as usual so they can claim a
> "Superior product" and charge more for it, and it gives something for
> the fanbois to boast about.

More bullshit.

> USB-C, the standard that Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming
> into, is different, it can supply different voltages depending on what
> the load can take, and thus needs a secondary to primary connection.

And an opto to do that safely, fuckwit.

>> Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the
>> USB side

So much for you stupid claim that there is no opto involved.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:18:40 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>>> safer
>>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>
>>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>
>>>>> Read it
>>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>
>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>
>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>>> doesn't like.....
>
>> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
Well China has become the leading world economy.
>
>> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
You go with your Ouija board every time Rod
<https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/>
https://t.ly/YsCAK
iPhones No Longer Come With a Charger or Headphones. Here’s What to
Get If You Need Them.
UPDATED SEPTEMBER 12, 2023
Apple has announced the new iPhone 15 series, which replaces the
company's longstanding Lightning connector with USB-C for the first
time. We'll update this guide soon to reflect this development.
>
>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>
>You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>
Motorola are shit? Your Ouija board tell you that.
My moto is not their top model but very good if you pay for a top
model it is better than an I phone, and comes with a charger.

Motorola invented the Mobile phone
On April 3, 1973, Motorola publicly demonstrated the world's first
portable cellular telephone and system. The first public calls using
Motorola DynaTAC (DYNamic Adaptive Total Area Coverage) technology
occurred in New York City.
>
>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
>> https://t.ly/a8tah
>> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
>> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
>> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.
>
>Doesnt mean that it was there charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.
>
>> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
>> isolated case.*
>
>We know it was, fuckwit.
>
Who is "we" white man.
If there are no reported "Fuck that was close" reports why not say so?
>
>> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
>> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
>> a message that went viral on the site.
>
>Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.
>
Thats the spin given, it was a charger supplied for the iPhone though,
through there store, in the same box.
>
>>>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>>>> question
>>>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.
--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:41:20 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:18:40 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>>>> safer
>>>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>
>>>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>
>>>>>> Read it
>>>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang
>>>>>> region
>>>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the
>>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>>
>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>>>> doesn't like.....
>>
>>> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
>>
>> Wrong, as always.

> Well China has become the leading world economy.

Bullshit it has. Nothing even remotely like that with
the military, aircraft or even cars or shipping.

>>> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.

>> Wrong, as always.

> You go with your Ouija board every time Rod

We'll see...

> <https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/>
> https://t.ly/YsCAK
> iPhones No Longer Come With a Charger or Headphones.

But they still supply them if you want one, fuckwit.

> Here’s What to Get If You Need Them.
> UPDATED SEPTEMBER 12, 2023
> Apple has announced the new iPhone 15 series, which replaces the
> company's longstanding Lightning connector with USB-C for the first
> time. We'll update this guide soon to reflect this development.

Don't bother.

>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.

>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.

> Motorola are shit?

Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.

>>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
>>> https://t.ly/a8tah
>>> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
>>> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
>>> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

>> Doesnt mean that it was their charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.

>>> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
>>> isolated case.*

>> We know it was, fuckwit.

> Who is "we" white man.

Anyone with even half a clue, fake coon.

> If there are no reported "Fuck that was close" reports why not say so?

Because there was nothing like that, fake coon.

>>> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
>>> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
>>> a message that went viral on the site.

>> Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.

> Thats the spin given,

That's the fact, fake coon.

> it was a charger supplied for the iPhone though,

That's not what you claimed previosly, fake coon.

> through there store, in the same box.

That's not what you claimed previosly, fake coon.

It isnt even known that it was the charger that killed her, fake coon.

>>>>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a
>>>>>>> systemic
>>>>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>
>>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>
>> Motorola are shit?
>
>Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.
>
Looking at this one now Rod
<https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
https://t.ly/kgelt
Brand Motorola
Model Name Motorola Edge 40 Pro
Wireless Carrier Unlocked for All Carriers
Operating System Android 13.0
Cellular Technology 5G
Memory Storage Capacity 12 GB
Connectivity Technology Wi-Fi
Color Blue
Screen Size 6.67 Inches
Wireless network technology Wi-Fi
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel
High Court reveals every current judge is a
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over
the sacking of 1700 workers.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>>
>>>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>>
>>> Motorola are shit?
>>
>> Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.
>>
> Looking at this one now Rod
> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
> https://t.ly/kgelt
> Brand Motorola
> Model Name Motorola Edge 40 Pro
> Wireless Carrier Unlocked for All Carriers
> Operating System Android 13.0
> Cellular Technology 5G
> Memory Storage Capacity 12 GB
> Connectivity Technology Wi-Fi
> Color Blue
> Screen Size 6.67 Inches
> Wireless network technology Wi-Fi

What's wrong with the current one ?

You need to check that it does our bands.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Looking at this one now Rod
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>What's wrong with the current one ?
>
Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>
>You need to check that it does our bands.
>
Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia

My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
best,
Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
often has to go outside to listen to calls.
A lot of hills and trees?
The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
the kiwi bush.

A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
<https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
https://t.ly/iFeBC

Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
which also does all 3 bands.
<https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
https://t.ly/MGHqP

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>
> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>
>> You need to check that it does our bands.

> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia

There is more than one band used for those in Oz.

> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
> best,

> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
> often has to go outside to listen to calls.

> A lot of hills and trees?

Nothing to do with that.

> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
> the kiwi bush.

No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.

> A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
> Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
> etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
> https://t.ly/iFeBC

> Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
> which also does all 3 bands.

There aren't just 3 bands. Each of the Gs has more than one band.

> <https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
> https://t.ly/MGHqP

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:27:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>>
>> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
>> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>>
>>> You need to check that it does our bands.
>
>> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia
>
>There is more than one band used for those in Oz.
>
This link shows the bands it will work with in Au
<https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
https://t.ly/MGHqP
can't copy and past?
>
>> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
>> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
>> best,
>
>> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
>> often has to go outside to listen to calls.
>
>> A lot of hills and trees?
>
>Nothing to do with that.
>
Well reception goes up on other side of hill when on bus.
But goes past recent towers
The home Mobile transmitter is on top of water tower, but been there
for decades.
>
>> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
>> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
>> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
>> the kiwi bush.
>
>No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.
>
Well I did look and from what I then read was Motorola Mobiles
make/made the best Android recive/transmion mobiles, Iphone was rated
a bit beter than them. proved true to me,

>> A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
>> Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
>> etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
>> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
>> https://t.ly/iFeBC
>
>> Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
>> which also does all 3 bands.
>
>There aren't just 3 bands. Each of the Gs has more than one band.
>
>>
This link shows the bands it covers
<https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
https://t.ly/MGHqP
can't copy and past?
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Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:45:36 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:27:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>>>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>>>
>>> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
>>> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>>>
>>>> You need to check that it does our bands.
>>
>>> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia
>>
>> There is more than one band used for those in Oz.
>>
> This link shows the bands it will work with in Au
> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
> https://t.ly/MGHqP

Which says that 1 of the 5G bands is missing.

> can't copy and past?

>>> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
>>> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
>>> best,
>>
>>> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
>>> often has to go outside to listen to calls.
>>
>>> A lot of hills and trees?
>>
>> Nothing to do with that.

> Well reception goes up on other side of hill when on bus.

Because you are closer to the tower you are using.

> But goes past recent towers

But you don't know whose towers they are.

> The home Mobile transmitter is on top ofwater tower, but been there for
> decades.

So is unlikely to be the problem with hills and trees.

And mobile towers aren't all omnidirectional.

>>> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
>>> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
>>> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
>>> the kiwi bush.

>> No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.

> Well I did look and from what I then read was Motorola Mobiles
> make/made the best Android recive/transmion mobiles,

And yet it doesnt work well at your place.

> Iphone was rated a bit beter than them. proved true to me,

But still isnt very satisfactory and you have no idea
which band was used in that very poor test in Which.

>>> A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
>>> Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
>>> etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
>>> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
>>> https://t.ly/iFeBC
>>
>>> Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
>>> which also does all 3 bands.
>>
>> There aren't just 3 bands. Each of the Gs has more than one band.

> This link shows the bands it covers
> <https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
> https://t.ly/MGHqP
> can't copy and past?