Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> keithr0 wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>>
>>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>>> safe?
>>>>
>>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>>
>>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the
>>>>> mains plug?
>>>>
>>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.
>>
>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>> *blocking current* from one device to another.

> Well a cheap one is over US$100

Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

> rely on optical data conection waithg for smoke, or Sydney air!
> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
> https://t.ly/anmGm
> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
> PORT-POWERED)

Different animal entirely.

> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.

> No other USB port charger has one either!

Wrong, as always.

> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!

That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.

> The melting plastic sticking to your skin

Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.

> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry

You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.

>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:12:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>
I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
It's something no one would ask for
>
>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!
>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>> PORT-POWERED)
>
>Different animal entirely.
>
Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!
>
>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
>
>> No other USB port charger has one either!
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?
>
>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>
>That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>
>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>
>Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>
>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry
>
>You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.
>
It gets hot and humid here sometimes
>
>>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
>>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!
--
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heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.

>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100

>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant.

> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.

Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.

> It's something no one would ask for

How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.

>>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!
>>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>>> PORT-POWERED)

>> Different animal entirely.

> Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!

Nope, dope.

>>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.

>>> No other USB port charger has one either!

>> Wrong, as always.

> So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?

You are completely irrelevant. What
matters is whether it has one or not.

>>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>>
>> That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>>
>>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>>
>> Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>> around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>>
>>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry
>>
>> You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.

> It gets hot and humid here sometimes

You problem, you sweaty pig.

>>>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>>
>>>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

On 7/2/2024 2:20 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 13:14:45 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>>> Pays to have USB drives turned off (if possible, my multiple ports
>>> have on off buttons, get one with Au plug DC power supply)
>>>
>>> Mines 10 USB ports each with on/off button no sold out
>>> Temu page postage included in price. but make sure for electric DC.
>>> you use a Au IP not VPN, or confuses the Chinese BOT which overrides
>>> you postal address? Hate using travel adaptors.
>>> https://t.ly/c-t7D
>>> This is only 7 port but DC powered, look or wait for a 10 port is my
>>> preference.
>>
>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>>
> Difference is cost
> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>
> From Temu
> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
> ***AU$51.49***
>>
> Australia, still probably made in China though
> https://t.ly/SB7QV
> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
> Part No. 43370
> **$209.00**
>>
When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
the eye.
Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.

Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
her iPhone while it was charging. This seems technically plausible to me
if she were using a cheap or counterfeit charger like I describe below.
There's 340 volts DC inside the charger, which is enough to kill. In a
cheap charger, there can be less than a millimeter separating this
voltage from the output, a fraction of the recommended safe distance.
These charger sometimes short out (picture), which could send lethal
voltage through the USB cable. If the user closes the circuit by
standing on a damp floor or touching a grounded metal surface,
electrocution is a possibility. If moisture condenses in the charger
(e.g. in a humid bathroom), shorting becomes even more likely. Genuine
Apple chargers (and other brand-name chargers) follow strict safety
regulations (teardown) so I would be surprised if this electrocution
happened with a name-brand charger. Since counterfeits look just like
real chargers, I'll wait for an expert to determine if a genuine Apple
charger was involved or not. I've read suggestions that the house wiring
might have been to blame, but since chargers are typically ungrounded I
don't see how faulty house wiring would play a role. I should point out
that since there are few details at this point, this is all speculation;
it's possible the phone and charger weren't involved at all.

The above was from the link below.

http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html

To which I was led from this link here;

http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html

All I can say is; compare the pair!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:58:04 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>>>
>> Difference is cost
>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>
>> From Temu
>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>
>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>> Part No. 43370
>> **$209.00**
>>>
>When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>the eye.
>Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>
>Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>her iPhone while it was charging.
>The above was from the link below.
>
>http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>
>To which I was led from this link here;
>
>http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>
>All I can say is; compare the pair!
>
Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO

I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
Which I bought in Australia,
A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
adequately Photo/video/Skype
For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
<https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>

Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
It is safe.
Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
Works well, it runs cool current steady
https://t.ly/CaHf-
(I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
..
My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
https://t.ly/EDtIY
Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:59:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>
>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
>
>You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>irrelevant.
>
>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
>
>Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.
>
It won't and can't
>
>> It's something no one would ask for
>
>How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.
>
Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
well.
>>>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!
>>>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>>>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>>>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>>>> PORT-POWERED)
>
>>> Different animal entirely.
>
>> Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!
>
>Nope, dope.
>
>>>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
>
>>>> No other USB port charger has one either!
>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?
>
>You are completely irrelevant. What
>matters is whether it has one or not.
>
>>>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>>>
>>> That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>>>
>>>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>>>
>>> Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>>> around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>>>
>>>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>>>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry
>>>
>>> You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.
>
>> It gets hot and humid here sometimes
>
>You problem, you sweaty pig.
>
>>>>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>>>
>>>>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!
--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like
>>>> Umart.
>>>>
>>> Difference is cost
>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>
>>> From Temu
>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>
>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>> Part No. 43370
>>> **$209.00**
>>>>
>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>> the eye.
>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>
>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>> The above was from the link below.
>>
>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>
>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>
>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>
>> All I can say is; compare the pair!

> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.

> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO

You're a fool.

> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
> It is safe.

You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.

> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
> Works well, it runs cool current steady
> https://t.ly/CaHf-
> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
.
> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
> https://t.ly/EDtIY
> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.

>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100

>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;

>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>> irrelevant.

>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.

>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.

> It won't and can't

Wrong, as always.

>>> It's something no one would ask for

>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.

> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
> well.

What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.

>>>>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!
>>>>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>>>>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>>>>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>>>>> PORT-POWERED)
>>
>>>> Different animal entirely.
>>
>>> Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!
>>
>> Nope, dope.
>>
>>>>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
>>
>>>>> No other USB port charger has one either!
>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?
>>
>> You are completely irrelevant. What
>> matters is whether it has one or not.
>>
>>>>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>>>>
>>>> That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>>>>
>>>>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>>>>
>>>> Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>>>> around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>>>>
>>>>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>>>>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to
>>>>> dry
>>>>
>>>> You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.
>>
>>> It gets hot and humid here sometimes
>>
>> You problem, you sweaty pig.
>>
>>>>>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB
>>>>>>> device?
>>>>
>>>>>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:42:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like
>>>>> Umart.
>>>>>
>>>> Difference is cost
>>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>>
>>>> From Temu
>>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>>
>>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>>> Part No. 43370
>>>> **$209.00**
>>>>>
>>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>>> the eye.
>>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>>
>>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>>> The above was from the link below.
>>>
>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>
>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>
>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>
>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>
>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>
>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>
>You're a fool.
>
It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
instance, killing someone!
>
>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>> It is safe.
>
>You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.
>
You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
Iphone ranting.
This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.
<https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176019875805?chn=ps&_ul=AU&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1VJCLnR6NQ0-1m3pfPnWvDA55&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=176019875805&targetid=2202690667187&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071858&poi=&campaignid=19901947154&mkgroupid=149149151722&rlsatarget=pla-2202690667187&abcId=9308308&merchantid=118968743&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAw6yuBhDrARIsACf94RUPj9DyGv6CYL-09W37Oq6WICrkLbikM_d3xqaoex6NxhkGw9MJkksaAqCJEALw_wcB>
https://t.ly/q5Pt_
AU Plug)100W USB Charging Station 20 Port USB Charger Hub USB Charger
Multi
>
>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
> .
>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.
--
Petzl
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
- Soren Kierkegaard

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like
>>>>>> Umart.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Difference is cost
>>>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB
>>>>> Terabyte
>>>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>>>
>>>>> From Temu
>>>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble
>>>>> Office
>>>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>>>
>>>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>>>> Part No. 43370
>>>>> **$209.00**
>>>>>>
>>>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>>>> the eye.
>>>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>>>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted
>>>> using
>>>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>>>> The above was from the link below.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> You're a fool.

> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
> instance, killing someone!

Nope, it was a non apple charger that did that, fool.

>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>> It is safe.
>>
>> You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or
>> not.
>>
> You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
> apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
> The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
> It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
> Iphone ranting.
> This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.
> <https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176019875805?chn=ps&_ul=AU&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1VJCLnR6NQ0-1m3pfPnWvDA55&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=176019875805&targetid=2202690667187&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071858&poi=&campaignid=19901947154&mkgroupid=149149151722&rlsatarget=pla-2202690667187&abcId=9308308&merchantid=118968743&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAw6yuBhDrARIsACf94RUPj9DyGv6CYL-09W37Oq6WICrkLbikM_d3xqaoex6NxhkGw9MJkksaAqCJEALw_wcB>
> https://t.ly/q5Pt_
> AU Plug)100W USB Charging Station 20 Port USB Charger Hub USB Charger
> Multi
>>
>>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>> .
>>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:45:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>
>>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
>
>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>> irrelevant.
>
>>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
>
>>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.
>
>> It won't and can't
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
>>>> It's something no one would ask for
>
>>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.
>
>> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
>> well.
>
>What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.
>
This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
general very safe to use.
Amazon this tome but no post price.
<https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
https://t.ly/A4CXM
About this item
[Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
is safe and efficient.
[Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
effectively reduce battery consumption.
[Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
[100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
[Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
at home, and more.
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord, one thousand, eight hundred and eighty-three.
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**
Cultural Marxism aims
1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration and multiculturalism to destroy a countries identity.
6. The promotion of drug taking (while pretending it is bad)
7. Emptying of churches
(Only the Christian churches as the underlying basis of our society is Judaeo Christian) Other religions are to be promoted and protected.
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime (Soft sentencing, revolving doors, more concern for the welfare of criminals than victims)
9. Creating dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family by:
(a) Attack the authority of the father.
(b) deny the specific roles of father and mother.
(c) Wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
(d) Abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
(e) Abolish all forms of male dominance
(f) Declare women to be an 'oppressed class' and men as 'oppressors'

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.

>>>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100

>>>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

>>>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;

>>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>> irrelevant.

>>>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.

>>>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>>>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.

>>> It won't and can't

>> Wrong, as always.

>>>>> It's something no one would ask for

>>>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.

>>> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
>>> well.

>> What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.

> This one is well designed flame proof,

But unless someone does a teardown and draws
up the circuit, you have no idea if it will always
fail safe and can never kill what its charging.

> Certified USB devices are in general very safe to use.

Wrong, as always when they fail.

> Amazon this tome but no post price.
> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
> https://t.ly/A4CXM
> About this item
> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
> charging 20 mobile phones or digital productsat the same time, which is
> safe and efficient.

Just because the seller claims something...

> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smartidentification
> chip, real time current control, to achievefast charging and
> effectively reduce battery consumption.

That last makes no sense.

> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC andABS
> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant
< to high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
> at home, and more.

And says nothing about whether it FAILS SAFE.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 10:43:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like
>>>>>>> Umart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Difference is cost
>>>>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB
>>>>>> Terabyte
>>>>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> From Temu
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>>>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>>>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble
>>>>>> Office
>>>>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>>>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>>>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>>>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>>>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>>>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>>>>> Part No. 43370
>>>>>> **$209.00**
>>>>>>>
>>>>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>>>>> the eye.
>>>>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>>>>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted
>>>>> using
>>>>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>>>>> The above was from the link below.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>>
>>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>
>>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>>
>>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>>
>>> You're a fool.
>
>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>> instance, killing someone!
>
>Nope, it was a non apple charger that did that, fool.
>
>>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>>> It is safe.
>>>
>>> You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or
>>> not.
>>>
>> You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
>> apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
>> The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
>> It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
>> Iphone ranting.
>> This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.

I have a 10-port (with chargers) powered hub to replace those hideous
SATA plugs & sockets on the average motherboard. I wasted a lot of
time in the past with a tower computer, with those HDD slots, always
pointing the wrong way and impossible to negotiate.
I saw the light and bought a NUC computer from which all accessories
are external, even the CCTV system with a good monitor.
In fact, the new setup is faster than the old!

On 14/2/2024 8:38 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:58:04 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>>>>
>>> Difference is cost
>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>
>>> From Temu
>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>
>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>> Part No. 43370
>>> **$209.00**
>>>>
>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>> the eye.
>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>
>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>> The above was from the link below.
>>
>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>
>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>
>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>
>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>
> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO

I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>
> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
> Which I bought in Australia,

That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.

> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best

That is not the point I am making.

> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
> adequately Photo/video/Skype
> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>
> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
> It is safe.
> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
> Works well, it runs cool current steady
> https://t.ly/CaHf-
> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
> .
> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
> https://t.ly/EDtIY
> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 14/2/2024 10:40 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:42:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like
>>>>>> Umart.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Difference is cost
>>>>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>>>>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>>>>
>>>>> From Temu
>>>>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>>>>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>>>>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>>>>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>>>>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>>>>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>>>>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>>>>
>>>>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>>>>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>>>>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>>>>> Part No. 43370
>>>>> **$209.00**
>>>>>>
>>>> When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>>>> the eye.
>>>> Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>>>> According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>>>> her iPhone while it was charging.
>>>> The above was from the link below.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> You're a fool.
>>
> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
> instance, killing someone!

The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.

>>
>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>> It is safe.
>>
>> You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.
>>
> You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
> apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
> The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
> It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
> Iphone ranting.
> This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.
> <https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176019875805?chn=ps&_ul=AU&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1VJCLnR6NQ0-1m3pfPnWvDA55&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=176019875805&targetid=2202690667187&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071858&poi=&campaignid=19901947154&mkgroupid=149149151722&rlsatarget=pla-2202690667187&abcId=9308308&merchantid=118968743&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAw6yuBhDrARIsACf94RUPj9DyGv6CYL-09W37Oq6WICrkLbikM_d3xqaoex6NxhkGw9MJkksaAqCJEALw_wcB>
> https://t.ly/q5Pt_
> AU Plug)100W USB Charging Station 20 Port USB Charger Hub USB Charger
> Multi
>>
>>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>> .
>>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 14/2/2024 11:06 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:45:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.
>>
>>>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>>
>>>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>>
>>>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
>>
>>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>> irrelevant.
>>
>>>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
>>
>>>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>>>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.
>>
>>> It won't and can't
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>>>> It's something no one would ask for
>>
>>>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.
>>
>>> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
>>> well.
>>
>> What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.
>>
> This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
> general very safe to use.
> Amazon this tome but no post price.
> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
> https://t.ly/A4CXM
> About this item
> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
> charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
> is safe and efficient.
> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
> chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
> effectively reduce battery consumption.
> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
> high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
> at home, and more.

Where's the Aussie certification??

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:24:37 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>> This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
>> general very safe to use.
>> Amazon this tome but no post price.
>> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
>> https://t.ly/A4CXM
>> About this item
>> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
>> charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
>> is safe and efficient.
>> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
>> chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
>> effectively reduce battery consumption.
>> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
>> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
>> high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
>> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
>> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
>> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
>> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
>> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
>> at home, and more.
>
>Where's the Aussie certification??
>
Can't be sold in Australia without one
A number of electronic companies sell them.
--
Petzl
Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:15:32 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>>
>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>> instance, killing someone!
>
>The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>
Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
they sold with it at the time.
Apple are full of twist and spin.
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:09:54 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>
>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>
>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>
>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>
>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>
>I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>
>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>> Which I bought in Australia,
>
>That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>
Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
Not dead yet?

>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>
>That is not the point I am making.
>
But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>
>> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
>> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
>> adequately Photo/video/Skype
>> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
>> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>>
>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>> It is safe.
>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>> .
>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>> instance, killing someone!

Bare faced lie.

>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.

> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
> they sold with it at the time.

Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

> Apple are full of twist and spin.

You have never had a fucking clue.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>> chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>
>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>
>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>
> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
> Not dead yet?
>
>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>
>> That is not the point I am making.

> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphonestarted coming with a safer
> charger,

THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.

> rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did notput that charger with
> the Iphone they then sold?

Nothing was reworded.

THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 16:40:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>>
>>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>>
>>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>>
>>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>>> chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>>
>>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>>
>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>
>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>> Not dead yet?
>>
>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>
>>> That is not the point I am making.
>
>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphonestarted coming with a safer
>> charger,
>
>THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.
>
>> rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did notput that charger with
>> the Iphone they then sold?
>
>Nothing was reworded.
>
>THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.
>
Never said it was!

It came with the 2013 Apple phone bought from a Apple store
<https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
https://t.ly/8zqgJ
According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
charge it.
--
Petzl
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you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

On 14/2/2024 3:37 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:24:37 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>> This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
>>> general very safe to use.
>>> Amazon this tome but no post price.
>>> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
>>> https://t.ly/A4CXM
>>> About this item
>>> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
>>> charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
>>> is safe and efficient.
>>> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
>>> chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
>>> effectively reduce battery consumption.
>>> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
>>> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
>>> high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
>>> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
>>> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
>>> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
>>> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
>>> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
>>> at home, and more.
>>
>> Where's the Aussie certification??
>>
> Can't be sold in Australia without one

Yeah, right!

> A number of electronic companies sell them.

Have you seen the news of late, the Chinese are even faking the fakes
and selling them overseas.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 14/2/2024 3:40 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:15:32 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>> instance, killing someone!
>>
>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>>
> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
> they sold with it at the time.

The charging devices are made to Apple spec, the clone chargers will not be.

> Apple are full of twist and spin.

Chargers are the first thing that gets lost. Ask me how I know!

I go out and buy the OEM originals, others, especially the Chinese, are
tempted to by the much cheaper knock off units.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 14/2/2024 3:51 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:09:54 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>> chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>
>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>
>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>
> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address

A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.

> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
> Not dead yet?

Due!
>
>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>
>> That is not the point I am making.
>>
> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that

Who is doing the rewording?

> charger with the Iphone they then sold?

Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
was *not* an Apple unit.
>>
>>> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
>>> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
>>> adequately Photo/video/Skype
>>> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
>>> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>>>
>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>> It is safe.
>>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>>> .
>>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)