On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I was thinking "use the other hand"
> Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
> last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand

I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without being told.

In article <ir0lnmF6ulbU1@mid.individual.net>, Eddie
says...
>
> On 22/09/2021 11:34, Champ wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:05:20 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 21/09/2021 22:22, AJH wrote:
> >>>
> >>> BTW you're not an old fool, at least another 10 years before you leave
> >>> middle age behind.
> >
> >> I dunno. Have you met Champ recently?
> >
> > <flicks Vs>
>
> Are you sure you should be doing that, in your condition?

Heh, reminds me of the time I tried to give a driver the
middle finger whilst wearing lobster gloves.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:25:12 +0100, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 22/09/2021 11:33, Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:43:37 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But, WTF?
>>> We know the ZXR's ok but what about the TZ?
>>>
>>> You might say that it was a long post but by my reckoning it's missing at least one paragraph.
>>
>> Good point. Perhaps the definition of "grown up" for a biker is that
>> you actually think more about yourself than the bike after an off
>>
>> Anyway, the bike isn't bad - needs fairing and seat unit, right hand
>> rearset, and maybe a lever

>And a barrel/hone/rebore/replate/piston etc. presumably?

Yes, of course

As Ace says, it was due pistons and rings after this meeting anyway,
and <checks mileage spreadsheet> a crank rebuild too :-)

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:32:18 +0100, petrolcan <petrolcan@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> > <flicks Vs>
>> Are you sure you should be doing that, in your condition?

>Heh, reminds me of the time I tried to give a driver the
>middle finger whilst wearing lobster gloves.

So he just thought you were a Star Trek fan?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

In article <q1imkgl27iaf6hkni915u2rhi0hp8ioaea@4ax.com>,
Champ says...
>
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:32:18 +0100, petrolcan <petrolcan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > <flicks Vs>
>
> >> Are you sure you should be doing that, in your condition?
>
> >Heh, reminds me of the time I tried to give a driver the
> >middle finger whilst wearing lobster gloves.
>
> So he just thought you were a Star Trek fan?

To begin with maybe but he was in no doubt of my feeling
when I pulled up alongside him at the next lights.

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+1, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >I was thinking "use the other hand"
> > Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
> > last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand
> I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without being told.

Seems to be the older you get the less you remember these things. Fine example at the weekend with some old duffers in the HSCC saloons (race before ours) just as I was strapping Rob and Ian in.
Not sure most of them can see further than the end of their bonnets.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4kf9nw5mba82l8/2021-09-19%2013.12.33.jpg?dl=0

On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >I was thinking "use the other hand"
>> Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
>> last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand

>I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without being told.

30+ years of raising my left hand if there's a problem....

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 9/23/2021 3:50 AM, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
> <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking "use the other hand"
>>> Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
>>> last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand
>
>> I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without being told.
>
> 30+ years of raising my left hand if there's a problem....
>
>
I use my left hand for ... a lot of things.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 23/09/2021 11:04, Dave Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+1, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking "use the other hand"
>>> Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
>>> last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand
>> I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without being told.
>
> Seems to be the older you get the less you remember these things. Fine example at the weekend with some old duffers in the HSCC saloons (race before ours) just as I was strapping Rob and Ian in.
> Not sure most of them can see further than the end of their bonnets.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4kf9nw5mba82l8/2021-09-19%2013.12.33.jpg?dl=0
>

Thought that was a recovery truck drag race for a minute... "Gentlemen,
recover your motors!"

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 23/09/2021 18:09, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 23/09/2021 11:04, Dave Brown wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+1, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:31:13 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:16:39 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking "use the other hand"
>>>> Yes - a much more experienced (with 2 strokes) racer explained to me
>>>> last night that you pull the clutch in and raise your *right* hand
>>> I've never ridden a two stroke, and I've never raced, and god knows I
>>> get a lot of stuff wrong... but even I would have done that without
>>> being told.
>>
>> Seems to be the older you get the less you remember these things. Fine
>> example at the weekend with some old duffers in the HSCC saloons (race
>> before ours) just as I was strapping Rob and Ian in.
>> Not sure most of them can see further than the end of their bonnets.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4kf9nw5mba82l8/2021-09-19%2013.12.33.jpg?dl=0
>>
>
> Thought that was a recovery truck drag race for a minute... "Gentlemen,
> recover your motors!"
>
The second wagon is the T-Cut tanker for the scratches.

On 21/09/2021 15:22, Champ wrote:
> In homage to Steve Packer's stupid self-inflected injury the other day
> (see thread "Fuck"), I thought I'd join in..
>
[snip]

>
> So there we have it - more proof that there's no fool like an old fool
> :-)
>

1. GWS
2. Have you got the 'Busa home or is it still over here somewhere?

On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:56:16 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:

>2. Have you got the 'Busa home or is it still over here somewhere?

It's in my garage :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:22:38 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>The next day I woke up feeling much better than I had ant right to! A
>couple of paracetemol and I was fine. I got a call from the fracture
>clinic asking me to come in so they could sort my hand properly.
>Turns out the break in the ring finger was displaced, so I got a local
>anaesthetic injection, and they tugged on it and reset it. And then
>plastered my whole hand, as apparently there was also a break in the
>little finger too.

Updates....

This is the (frankly somewhat slipshod) cast I got at the fracture
clinic: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtbgbS_3FApLj8ppUXI0FDJvBDF1Qg
(click through any sign-up nags)

Yesterday they cut it off, wiggled my fingers, didn't bother with any
x-rays and gave me 2 pairs of "Mickey Mouse trousers". I shit you
not, that's what the doctor called them!
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtbgbS_3FApLj8pos80VOBKJBTF1EQ

He said he could put the hand in plaster for 4 weeks and the bones
would look perfect on an xray - but I wouldn't be able to move my
fingers when they took it off! Mobility is obviously essential, so
this is what they do nowadays.

I also asked about some continuing pain on the left of my chest, and
left of my back (by the scapula). Interestingly, the doc said xrays
typically miss 50% of broken ribs, and if one didn't show up on the
xray then by definition he wasn't worried about it. So I may well
have a broken rib too. It certainly hurts the couple of times I've
sneezed, but otherwise I've not got much to complain about.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:23:12 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:22:38 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>He said he could put the hand in plaster for 4 weeks and the bones
>would look perfect on an xray - but I wouldn't be able to move my
>fingers when they took it off! Mobility is obviously essential, so
>this is what they do nowadays.

Yeah, and it's been shown and is now well understood that puttnig some
stress on the broken bone can actually aid healing, by virtue of
increased blood flow and stuff.

>I also asked about some continuing pain on the left of my chest, and
>left of my back (by the scapula). Interestingly, the doc said xrays
>typically miss 50% of broken ribs, and if one didn't show up on the
>xray then by definition he wasn't worried about it. So I may well
>have a broken rib too.

Again, that's normal practice. Sometimes if there's no displacement
they might not even bother with an x-ray at all, on the basis that the
treatment of bruised or broken ribs is exactly the same.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> I also asked about some continuing pain on the left of my chest, and
> left of my back (by the scapula). Interestingly, the doc said xrays
> typically miss 50% of broken ribs, and if one didn't show up on the
> xray then by definition he wasn't worried about it. So I may well
> have a broken rib too. It certainly hurts the couple of times I've
> sneezed, but otherwise I've not got much to complain about.

https://i.gifer.com/2q94.mp4

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

Ace wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:23:12 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> He said he could put the hand in plaster for 4 weeks and the bones
>> would look perfect on an xray - but I wouldn't be able to move my
>> fingers when they took it off! Mobility is obviously essential, so
>> this is what they do nowadays.
>
> Yeah, and it's been shown and is now well understood that puttnig some
> stress on the broken bone can actually aid healing, by virtue of
> increased blood flow and stuff.
>
>> I also asked about some continuing pain on the left of my chest, and
>> left of my back (by the scapula). Interestingly, the doc said xrays
>> typically miss 50% of broken ribs, and if one didn't show up on the
>> xray then by definition he wasn't worried about it. So I may well
>> have a broken rib too.
>
> Again, that's normal practice. Sometimes if there's no displacement
> they might not even bother with an x-ray at all, on the basis that the
> treatment of bruised or broken ribs is exactly the same.

When my tibia was bolted back together with the aid of an intramedullary
rod, the two ends of the break didn't meet up. After six months of not
being allowed to put any weight on it, it hadn't grown back. They then
removed the screws from the knee-end of the rod and told me to try and
walk on it with as much weight as I could manage (it hurt, lots) - this
caused the two ends of the break to nudge each other which in turn
stimulated the bone to grow and fill the gap before healing properly.

Unfortunately the six months of non-weight bearing led to another six
month of physio to regain strength and mobility of my knee and ankle.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:23:12 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>It certainly hurts the couple of times I've
>sneezed, but otherwise I've not got much to complain about.

Don't try it at the height of hay fever season.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:28:14 +0200, Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:23:12 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>It certainly hurts the couple of times I've
>>sneezed, but otherwise I've not got much to complain about.

>Don't try it at the height of hay fever season.

s'ok - I don't get hay fever
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 29/09/2021 13:48, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>
> When my tibia was bolted back together with the aid of an intramedullary
> rod, the two ends of the break didn't meet up. After six months of not
> being allowed to put any weight on it, it hadn't grown back. They then
> removed the screws from the knee-end of the rod and told me to try and
> walk on it with as much weight as I could manage (it hurt, lots) - this
> caused the two ends of the break to nudge each other which in turn
> stimulated the bone to grow and fill the gap before healing properly.

Yeah, mine had two screws at each end initially.

After a few weeks (IIRC), they took out one at the knee end[0] that was
in a round hole, and left the one that was in a slot to allow movement.

[0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:57:57 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>
>[0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.

Dear Ged.

I'm so glad I was out cold for mine.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:

> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.

Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.

Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations.

You're not wrong.

>I don't know how they rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but
>I felt every fucking mm.

I jokingly rolled up three papertowels, to "bite on".

Little did I know the nurse would forget to release the vacuum in the
drain bottle before attempting to remove the drain.

The ensuing towel-muffled screech drew a sister from a neighbouring
ward to identify the source.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

In article <4c4a439d-7351-403a-ae32-
129aaf12007fn@googlegroups.com>, Stephen Packer says...
>
> On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
>
> > [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
> > and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>
> Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
> I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
> anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.
>
> Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
> rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.

When I slipped a disc a couple of years ago, being
catheterised was the only thing that made me forget the
back pain for a few moments. I seem to recall asking (well,
screaming) at the Doc whether he was actually going in dry.

Removal was uncomfortable and I did have a tinge of
disappointment too knowing I was going to have to get up to
go to the loo :)

On 29/09/2021 17:04, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:57:57 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>
> Dear Ged.
>
> I'm so glad I was out cold for mine.

It wasn't particularly unpleasant. Just ... weird.

Mind, getting the whole thing taken out was pretty odd, too. Had an
epidural for that, but I was still very aware of the vibrations from all
the chiselling and hammering.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 29/09/2021 18:10, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <4c4a439d-7351-403a-ae32-
> 129aaf12007fn@googlegroups.com>, Stephen Packer says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
>>
>>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>>
>> Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
>> I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
>> anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.
>>
>> Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
>> rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.
>
> When I slipped a disc a couple of years ago, being
> catheterised was the only thing that made me forget the
> back pain for a few moments. I seem to recall asking (well,
> screaming) at the Doc whether he was actually going in dry.
>
> Removal was uncomfortable and I did have a tinge of
> disappointment too knowing I was going to have to get up to
> go to the loo :)

I was catheterised when I had the punctured lung and it wasn't bad. And
having the drain taken out wasn't painful, just a rather odd sensation.
I did suffer perpetual dread with the catheter that it would get pulled
while the little collar was still inflated.