On 01 May 2022 at 15:07:37 BST, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 01/05/2022 02:17 pm, Andrew wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2022 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>
>>>>> He has now admitted that that was a lie and is resigning.
>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61284686
>>>> are all conservatives liars then ?
>>
>>> Perhaps all politicians? Starmer and Rayner are up there at the top of
>>> the tree.
>>
>> And definitely every local canvasser for the Limp Dems need
>> including in that group.
>
> Some years ago now, a LibDem canvasser told me and my next door
> neighbour completely different and irreconcilable things about their
> plans for taxation. One of us was nominally for an income tax reduction,
> the other for an increase. He agreed with both of us.
>
> They haven't canvassed here for many years now. I assume they don't have
> the foot soldiers (except maybe for a by-election, when they can bus in
> volunteers from every corner of the UK).

LimpDems are good at claiming credit for things they had little or no part in
causing to happen.

In one of their leaflets I even saw: "I am not a politician but I'm a
committed LibDem" - an obvious lie.

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On 01/05/2022 15:41, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 01 May 2022 at 15:07:37 BST, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2022 02:17 pm, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/05/2022 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>
>>>>>> He has now admitted that that was a lie and is resigning.
>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61284686
>>>>> are all conservatives liars then ?
>>>
>>>> Perhaps all politicians? Starmer and Rayner are up there at the top of
>>>> the tree.
>>>
>>> And definitely every local canvasser for the Limp Dems need
>>> including in that group.
>>
>> Some years ago now, a LibDem canvasser told me and my next door
>> neighbour completely different and irreconcilable things about their
>> plans for taxation. One of us was nominally for an income tax reduction,
>> the other for an increase. He agreed with both of us.
>>
>> They haven't canvassed here for many years now. I assume they don't have
>> the foot soldiers (except maybe for a by-election, when they can bus in
>> volunteers from every corner of the UK).
>
> LimpDems are good at claiming credit for things they had little or no part in
> causing to happen.
>
> In one of their leaflets I even saw: "I am not a politician but I'm a
> committed LibDem" - an obvious lie.
>

The last the Lib Dems were in control of West Sussex CC they spent a
fortune putting red rumble strips across all the major roads wherever
there was a junction or school. Over the years the adhesive used to
stick the red glass grit to the road cracked up and trapped winter
salty water and caused the underlying road to disintegrate. WSCC have
spent many times as much repairing this damage over the subsequent
10+ years as the original cost of applying these so-called traffic-
management schemes

On 01/05/2022 13:44, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <xn0nh8tkc505lgw00n@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
> <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> On 30/04/2022 in message <NTQL+FFlCZbiFw69@brattleho.plus.com> Ian
>> Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> In message <xn0nh8cm24d79xf00k@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
>>> <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>> On 30/04/2022 in message <t4j3q4$9qa$1@dont-email.me> Jim Stewart
>>>> ... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>>
>>>> He could have just swapped seats with the PM and got a free peek.
>>>>
>>> I have to say that I've never heard so much prudishness and
>>> puritanical tripe as is being spouted in the LBC phone-ins about this
>>> particularly foolish misdemeanour.
>>
>> Some good memes appearing though, did he watch the full tractor video
>> or just the trailer?
>>
> I have to confess that that took several seconds to sink in!
>
> Many of the phone-in condemnations of Mr Parish seemed to be because he
> was 'at work', and instead of wasting time he should have been
> concentrating on doing his job as an MP. I therefore ask myself whether
> he would have attracted the same degree of criticism if NO porn had been
> involved, and he really HAD been looking only at tractors? What was the
> real offence? Was it watching porn, or was it simply not doing the job
> the taxpayers were paying him to do?

Using your phone for something non-work related when you're supposed to
be working is bad enough - but this was compounded by having something
on his screen which nearby colleagues were likely to find offensive.

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On 30/04/2022 11:42, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625

He didn’t have his knob out, what’s the harm?

There was a woman sat next to him wasn’t there? I suppose I could
understand her making such a fuss if he’d been fingering her.

Bill

On 01/05/2022 09:48, Bazza wrote:
> I'm looking at setting up a battery of 10 rental garages on a vacant site. The site has a solid stone wall perimeter with a single gateway.
> Problem it's 100 miles away and I want to find a system for controlled access and remote management. I looked at ANPR but that was too expensive.
>
> The second thought was a token/fob system to control a rising barrier to the site. This would need to accept 10 different fobs. Key fobs would be issued against a deposit and be reprogrammable by me at the end of each lease. Security for each individual would be by secure garage lock with padlock key provided against a deposit.
>
> Is there a cost effective way of achieving this or is there a better way?

Lots of gated communities have that system. It's pretty standard.
There's one near here where the code for the (back up) keypad in 2,5,8,
enter. Straight down the middle!

Bill

On 01/05/2022 11:40, alan_m wrote:

> A raising barrier will only stop access to those who are already law
> abiding. The criminal fraternity would just trash it to gain entry. CCTV
> in operation signs would be just as effective.
>
>

It needs substantial steel gates.

Bill

On 01/05/2022 12:26, Andy Burns wrote:
> fobs don't have batteries which can go flat.

They do.

Bill

On 30/04/2022 11:42, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625

I would say the female MPs were guilty of voyeurism. Fancy invading a
man's privacy by looking at his phone.

On Sun, 01 May 2022 01:48:38 -0700, Bazza wrote:

> I looked at ANPR but that was too expensive.

In what way ? A complete turnkey system, or (looks at name of newsgroup)
a homebrew DIY solution ?

On 01/05/2022 03:55 pm, Roger Mills wrote:

> On 01/05/2022 13:44, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>>> Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>>>
>>>>> He could have just swapped seats with the PM and got a free peek.
>>>>>
>>>> I have to say that I've never heard so much prudishness and
>>>> puritanical tripe as is being spouted in the LBC phone-ins about
>>>> this particularly foolish misdemeanour.
>>>
>>> Some good memes appearing though, did he watch the full tractor video
>>> or just the trailer?
>>>
>> I have to confess that that took several seconds to sink in!
>>
>> Many of the phone-in condemnations of Mr Parish seemed to be because
>> he was 'at work', and instead of wasting time he should have been
>> concentrating on doing his job as an MP. I therefore ask myself
>> whether he would have attracted the same degree of criticism if NO
>> porn had been involved, and he really HAD been looking only at
>> tractors? What was the real offence? Was it watching porn, or was it
>> simply not doing the job the taxpayers were paying him to do?
>
> Using your phone for something non-work related when you're supposed to
> be working is bad enough - but this was compounded by having something
> on his screen which nearby colleagues were likely to find offensive.

MPs don't have set hours for attending the HoC. And they (mostly) have
plenty of other things which can legitimately occupy their time, not all
of them even at times when the House is in session.

It's not as if they were civil servants with set times of attendance at
an office.

Oh, hang on...

williamwright wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> fobs don't have batteries which can go flat.
>
> They do.

Not if they're RFID they don't (as all the access fobs/cards I have are)

On 01/05/2022 18:16, Andy Burns wrote:
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> fobs don't have batteries which can go flat.
>>
>> They do.
>
> Not if they're RFID they don't (as all the access fobs/cards I have are)

Aren't the passive ones very limited in range? I've only ever seen ones
that that need 2032 button cells. I was under the impression that the
passive ones had to be held near the rx/tx thingy.

Bill

williamwright wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> williamwright wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> fobs don't have batteries which can go flat.
>>>
>>> They do.
>>
>> Not if they're RFID they don't (as all the access fobs/cards I have are)
>
> Aren't the passive ones very limited in range?

Yes, you practically need to touch the reader, like a contactless bank card.

> I've only ever seen ones that that need 2032 button cells. I was under the
> impression that the passive ones had to be held near the rx/tx thingy.

On 01/05/2022 07:35 pm, williamwright wrote:

> On 01/05/2022 18:16, Andy Burns wrote:
>> williamwright wrote:
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>>>> fobs don't have batteries which can go flat.
>
>>> They do.
>
>> Not if they're RFID they don't (as all the access fobs/cards I have are)
>
> Aren't the passive ones very limited in range? I've only ever seen ones
> that that need 2032 button cells. I was under the impression that the
> passive ones had to be held near the rx/tx thingy.

The one I have on my key-ring certainly could not accommodate a 2032.

It's about 25mm long, elliptical in profile and only about 10mm at its
widest point.

If it contains a battery it's a very long-lasting one. I was given the
fob about three years ago and there is no sign )yet) of malfunction.

It does only work in very close proximity to the receiver.

On Sun, 01 May 2022 11:17:32 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

> My last employer had an app-controlled system that registered mobile
> numbers. A registered number called a mobile and the gate opened. An
> unregistered number got a network error.

The place where I have a storage unit works like that. It works well.

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Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 in message <NTQL+FFlCZbiFw69@brattleho.plus.com> Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>
>> In message <xn0nh8cm24d79xf00k@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
>> <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> On 30/04/2022 in message <t4j3q4$9qa$1@dont-email.me> Jim Stewart ...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>
>>> He could have just swapped seats with the PM and got a free peek.
>>>
>> I have to say that I've never heard so much prudishness and puritanical
>> tripe as is being spouted in the LBC phone-ins about this particularly
>> foolish misdemeanour.
>
> Some good memes appearing though, did he watch the full tractor video or
> just the trailer?
>

Now that is very funny.

😀

On 01/05/2022 08:42, Richard wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 01/05/2022 in message <t4lauv$822$1@dont-email.me> Jim Stewart ...
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2022 18:45, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>>
>>>> He has now admitted that that was a lie and is resigning.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61284686
>>> are all conservatives liars then ?
>>
>> Perhaps all politicians? Starmer and Rayner are up there at the top of
>> the tree.
>
> Everyone lies at some point.
>

That's a lie ...

On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 22:30:43 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2022 11:17:32 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
> > My last employer had an app-controlled system that registered mobile
> > numbers. A registered number called a mobile and the gate opened. An
> > unregistered number got a network error.
> The place where I have a storage unit works like that. It works well.

The Videx GSM ones I linked to can do that as well.

Owain

Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 08:42, Richard wrote:
>> On 01/05/2022 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 01/05/2022 in message <t4lauv$822$1@dont-email.me> Jim Stewart ...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/04/2022 18:45, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61280625
>>>>>
>>>>> He has now admitted that that was a lie and is resigning.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61284686
>>>> are all conservatives liars then ?
>>>
>>> Perhaps all politicians? Starmer and Rayner are up there at the top of
>>> the tree.
>>
>> Everyone lies at some point.
>>
>
> That's a lie ...
>

Beaten up.

Claims re people having wigs.

On 01/05/2022 11:40, alan_m wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 09:48, Bazza wrote:
>> I'm looking at setting up a battery of 10 rental garages on a vacant
>> site. The site has a solid stone wall perimeter with a single gateway.
>> Problem it's 100 miles away and I want to find a system for controlled
>> access and remote management. I looked at ANPR but that was too
>> expensive.
>>
>> The second thought was a token/fob system to control a rising barrier
>> to the site.  This  would need to accept 10 different fobs. Key fobs
>> would be issued against a deposit and be reprogrammable by me at the
>> end of each lease. Security for each individual would be by secure
>> garage lock with padlock key provided against a deposit.
>>
>> Is there a cost effective way of achieving this or is there a better way?
>
> A raising barrier will only stop access to those who are already law
> abiding. The criminal fraternity would just trash it to gain entry. CCTV
> in operation signs would be just as effective.
>
>
But damage to a barrier (even a flimsy one) would be grounds to evict
pikeys.

On 02/05/2022 10:36, ARW wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 11:40, alan_m wrote:

>> A raising barrier will only stop access to those who are already law
>> abiding. The criminal fraternity would just trash it to gain entry.
>> CCTV in operation signs would be just as effective.
>>
>>
> But damage to a barrier (even a flimsy one) would be grounds to evict
> pikeys.

The pikeys wouldn't be the clients - just opportunist thieves.

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ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> alan_m wrote
>> Bazza wrote

>>> I'm looking at setting up a battery of 10 rental garages on a vacant
>>> site. The site has a solid stone wall perimeter with a single gateway.
>>> Problem it's 100 miles away and I want to find a system for controlled
>>> access and remote management. I looked at ANPR but that was too
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> The second thought was a token/fob system to control a rising barrier
>>> to the site. This would need to accept 10 different fobs. Key fobs
>>> would be issued against a deposit and be reprogrammable by me at the
>>> end of each lease. Security for each individual would be by secure
>>> garage lock with padlock key provided against a deposit.
>>>
>>> Is there a cost effective way of achieving this or is there a better
>>> way?
>> A raising barrier will only stop access to those who are already law
>> abiding. The criminal fraternity would just trash it to gain entry.
>> CCTV in operation signs would be just as effective.
>>
> But damage to a barrier (even a flimsy one) would be grounds to evict
> pikeys.

Much better to not have to fart around like that.

In spades when it is that remote.

A lady friend made what I thought was a good suggestion.

Her idea was to contact the local church and ask they they had a local member of the congregation who is mature, unemployed/retired, honest and reliable who could manage access to the garages on my behalf. for a fee. This would involve the person opening up the padlock on each garage when a new tenancy was agreed. When the tenancy terminated, he or she would inspect the garage and re-apply the padlock again. I reckon £50 -£80 for each for each in/out tenancy would be fair for what would be 10 minutes work.
If there was a problem tenant who did not remove his own padlock, then I would provide a cordless angle grinder to remove the same.

What do you reckon - given that my late mother left £10,000 to the local church 10 years ago in her will?

On Tue, 03 May 2022 04:10:13 +1000, Bazza <letshaveit@gmail.com> wrote:

> A lady friend made what I thought was a good suggestion.
>
> Her idea was to contact the local church and ask they they had a local
> member of the congregation who is mature, unemployed/retired, honest and
> reliable

Dunno how likely it would be that an unemployed person would
be honest and reliable in the current labor market situaton and
who is likely to remain unemployed for long. And even with say
someone who has chosen to 'live' on the dole instead of working
because the income from that is still better than their costs, they
may not regard the potential income from you would be worth it.

Tho I spose a handyman might find it useful.

Or maybe an intellectually disabled person could be helped
by another say retired church member to be able to do the job.

> who could manage access to the garages on my behalf. for a fee. This
> would involve the person opening up the padlock on each garage when a
> new tenancy was agreed. When the tenancy terminated, he or she would
> inspect the garage and re-apply the padlock again. I reckon £50 -£80 for
> each for each in/out tenancy would be fair for what would be 10 minutes
> work.

> If there was a problem tenant who did not remove his own padlock, then I
> would provide a cordless angle grinder to remove the same.

> What do you reckon - given that my late mother left £10,000 to the local
> church 10 years ago in her will?

Which type of church ? Is there any possibility they are
cult involved in pumping the pockets of the gullible ?

On 02/05/2022 19:10, Bazza wrote:
> A lady friend made what I thought was a good suggestion.
>
> Her idea was to contact the local church and ask they they had a local member of the congregation who is mature, unemployed/retired, honest and reliable who could manage access to the garages on my behalf. for a fee. This would involve the person opening up the padlock on each garage when a new tenancy was agreed. When the tenancy terminated, he or she would inspect the garage and re-apply the padlock again. I reckon £50 -£80 for each for each in/out tenancy would be fair for what would be 10 minutes work.
> If there was a problem tenant who did not remove his own padlock, then I would provide a cordless angle grinder to remove the same.
>
> What do you reckon - given that my late mother left £10,000 to the local church 10 years ago in her will?

Have you also considered that someone may abandon a garage full of stuff
and never to be seen again at the end of the tenancy? Just make sure
your T&C cater for this.

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