Turby wrote:

> But Mexican cuisine is a part of life over here, and the difference
> between a taco and a burrito is really pretty simple. It would be
> like calling a bowl of chowder a pizza.

I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
universally awful.

Street food, cantinas, fancy restaraunts all were fucking grim - bland
and unpleasant. Like beige incest.

Anything con mole looked as if someone had just shat on the plate -
someone who was obviously unwell.

I had great visions of tex-mex and all that jazz. Turned out it was
just mex. Horrid, corn oil and rice.

Also, lots of people with very big guns - I wasn't keen on that either.

[1] Work

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On 26 Oct 2021 10:25:33 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
>universally awful.
>
>Street food, cantinas, fancy restaraunts all were fucking grim - bland
>and unpleasant. Like beige incest.
>
>Anything con mole looked as if someone had just shat on the plate -
>someone who was obviously unwell.

Not been to Mexico, but was very disappointed by what was available
around San rancisco on my many trips there. Mole, in particular,
tended to be a slightly spicy sweet runny chocolatey abomination
usually poured over a plain grilled chicken breast rather than the
rich intense turkey casserole we make at home from an (apparently)
traditional recipe.

I bought jars and tetra-packs of the sauce back home on occasion and
found that you had to do a lot of work to make it usable, but sadly
the restaurants I visited seemed to just use it straight out of the
jar.

Street food (in South SF City, the most Mexican of the local townships
to the area) seemed to be burritos, burritos or more burritos.
Quantity over quality, in true junk food style, seemed to be the order
of the day. Very sad.

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On 26 Oct 2021 10:25:33 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Also, lots of people with very big guns - I wasn't keen on that either.

Thought you'd have got used to that back in the day, with your Iron
Curtain visits during the Soviet era.

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:22:10 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:59:54 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Those are burritos, not tacos.
>>>> if that gets you excited, you're going to lose your mind over prairie
>>>> oysters, bombay duck, welsh rabbit, sweetbreads and spotted dick.

>>Oh, it hardly gets me excited. The only meat I eat comes from the sea,
>>so I usually ignore all those weird dishes. But Mexican cuisine is a
>>part of life over here, and the difference between a taco and a burrito
>>is really pretty simple. It would be like calling a bowl of chowder a pizza.

>Hardly. It might better be likened to taking the Spanish word for an
>omelette and using it to refer instead to a flat bread made from wheat
>or corn... who'd do a thing like that, I wonder?

Ooh! Cutting!
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On 26/10/2021 11:25, sweller wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
>> But Mexican cuisine is a part of life over here, and the difference
>> between a taco and a burrito is really pretty simple. It would be
>> like calling a bowl of chowder a pizza.
>
> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
> universally awful.
>
> Like beige incest.

Whaaaat?

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Ace wrote:

> > Also, lots of people with very big guns - I wasn't keen on that
> > either.
>
> Thought you'd have got used to that back in the day, with your Iron
> Curtain visits during the Soviet era.

Funny that, the level of armaments in Eastern Europe in the 80s was no
different to the rest of Europe at the time. The police had side arms
and that was that - actually, I think in the GDR they just had
truncheons.

In Mexico DF the private security guards were full militarised with
assualt rifles, romper suits, helmets, balaclavas the lot and even the
shopping centre guards had huge shotguns and bandolas of ammunition
draped over them.

The place was on the edge, man.

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ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

> > Like beige incest.
>
> Whaaaat?

"bland and unpleasant"

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On 26/10/2021 08:33, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:45:31 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> While not about junk food as such, this made me feed good about my
>> eating habits.
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/sep/26/food-myths-busted-dairy-salt-steak-swedish-study-science-health-advice
>
> Hah. Seems to reflect the sort of dietary advice that I grew up with.
> And indeed that I still findamentally eat by.
>
> Odd though that the writer thinks that the advice this meta-study
> seems to contradoct are "post-war" ideas. I mean, yes, of course
> they're after WW2, but by 30 or 40 years; most immediately post-war
> wisdom was focussed on getting adequate amounts of protein, calcium
> and other specific nutrients thought to be lacking in the impoverished
> economic and still-rationed food supplies of that time.
>
Yes, I think many of those of us of what is now the older generation,
have been purplexed by just how much the modern diet has led to a wave
of obesity. In particular we have swarms of young people (largely women)
who have an upper body resembling Twiggy and the lower half of the Venus
of Willendorf! How does that work out evolutionarily?
C

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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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On 25/10/2021 19:59, Turby wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 4:58 AM, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Turby wrote:
>>
>>>> Those are burritos, not tacos.
>>
>>> if that gets you excited, you're going to lose your mind over prairie
>>> oysters, bombay duck, welsh rabbit, sweetbreads and spotted dick.
>>
>> <applause>
>>
> Oh, it hardly gets me excited. The only meat I eat comes from the sea,

I had momentarily forgotten you were in left-pondia and for some reason
I was thinking you had found a somewhat dubious & unorthodox 'solution'
to sea crossing migrants...
Either that or the old song, "Whale Meet Again, Don't Know Where, etc"
:-)

C

--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

> Yes, I think many of those of us of what is now the older generation,
> have been purplexed by just how much the modern diet has led to a
> wave of obesity.

Highly processed, cheap food - and the need to buy cheap food coupled
with a shortage of time and fuel.

Counterintuitively, obesity is linked to poverty.

It's not the whole story obviously, but there is a link.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/effective-poverty-and-obesity-campaigns-need-more-just-stats

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:33:30 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:45:31 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>While not about junk food as such, this made me feed good about my
>>eating habits.
>>
>>https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/sep/26/food-myths-busted-dairy-salt-steak-swedish-study-science-health-advice
>
>Hah. Seems to reflect the sort of dietary advice that I grew up with.
>And indeed that I still findamentally eat by.
>
>Odd though that the writer thinks that the advice this meta-study
>seems to contradoct are "post-war" ideas. I mean, yes, of course
>they're after WW2, but by 30 or 40 years; most immediately post-war
>wisdom was focussed on getting adequate amounts of protein, calcium
>and other specific nutrients thought to be lacking in the impoverished
>economic and still-rationed food supplies of that time.

That may have been true in the first 10 years after WW2, but then
Ancel Keys came along in the mid-50s and cherry picked the data to
support his theory that heart disease was caused by dietary fat.
Reducing fat intake for good health soon became medical orthodoxy, and
has been ever since.
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:28:30 +0100, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 25/10/2021 13:04, Champ wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:50:00 +0100, siwilson
>> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I frequently use vi. I discovered it's not installed by default in a
>>> docker container, this surprised me.
>>
>> Blimey - you're still doing genuine proper IT work, then?!?!

>Well, yes, and no. This isn't work related. Believe it or not, it's
>motorcycling related. I'm attempting to get the club into at least the
>20th century. I'm setting up a database for the results along with a
>reporting tool and everything to sort out the points etc.

Blimey. And well done

>Getting stirling support from a certain Mr. Fisher.

Naturally
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

sweller wrote:
> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
> universally awful.
>
> Street food, cantinas, fancy restaraunts all were fucking grim - bland
> and unpleasant. Like beige incest.

I remember us having this conversation before. I found much the same, but did notice that everything came with a bowl of fairly lethal pico de gallo on the side, which deblandified anything it touched. So I just assumed the idea was to let the customer pick how bland or not to have it.

> Anything con mole looked as if someone had just shat on the plate -
> someone who was obviously unwell.

I was expecting mole to be fucking amazing. Meat with chocolate? How could anything with chocolate not basically be amazing? How wrong I was. Deeply, deeply awful.

> I had great visions of tex-mex and all that jazz. Turned out it was
> just mex.

Bingo.

On 26/10/2021 14:36, sweller wrote:
> ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think many of those of us of what is now the older generation,
>> have been purplexed by just how much the modern diet has led to a
>> wave of obesity.
>
> Highly processed, cheap food - and the need to buy cheap food coupled
> with a shortage of time and fuel.
>
> Counterintuitively, obesity is linked to poverty.
>
> It's not the whole story obviously, but there is a link.
> https://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/effective-poverty-and-obesity-campaigns-need-more-just-stats
>

Indeed.
Unfortunately I missed (ie forgot) to put in my previous post that, as
has been said elsewhere, there is little money to be made out of a raw
carrot.
Processed food is where the big money is. Therefore demonise the basic
stuff on the grounds of 'health' to push people towards the relatively
expensive (but still cheap enough), supposedly healthier, alternatives.
:-/
C

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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:49:46 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>sweller wrote:

>> Anything con mole looked as if someone had just shat on the plate -
>> someone who was obviously unwell.
>
>I was expecting mole to be fucking amazing. Meat with chocolate? How could anything with chocolate not basically be amazing? How wrong I was. Deeply, deeply awful.

Done properly it's a joy, and really doesn't have very much chocolate
at all. This recipe sounds a bit like the one we use, although ours
marinates the cooked turkey first and uses peanuts not almonds.
https://text.npr.org/4629176

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ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e199b27d-9dd4-4cf4-ad98-d48d55e03d65n@googlegroups.com:

> sweller wrote:
>> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
>> universally awful.
>>
>> Street food, cantinas, fancy restaraunts all were fucking grim -
>> bland and unpleasant. Like beige incest.
>
> I remember us having this conversation before. I found much the same,
> but did notice that everything came with a bowl of fairly lethal pico
> de gallo on the side, which deblandified anything it touched. So I
> just assumed the idea was to let the customer pick how bland or not to
> have it.
>
>

does this pico de gallo vary in taste and texture between restaurants or is
it much like "kids meals" in the UK i.e. beige crunchy things slathered in
ketchup?

On 25/10/2021 22:27, Pipl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:50:00 +0100, siwilson
> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/10/2021 18:14, Pipl wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:09:05 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:13:52 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>>>>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/21/2021 5:15 AM, Champ wrote:
>>>>>>>> <fx: tumbleweed>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not my fault. As a furriner, I'm embarrassed to be in the top ten.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>> :wq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hah. I've been doing that a lot recently. Often in Notepad. Followed
>>>>> by Ctrl-Z or backspaces.
>>>>
>>>> Every once in a blue moon, some of the old Wordstar ctrl-key
>>>> combinations creeps into my noggin. Probaly 35 years since I last
>>>> used it.
>>>
>>> In my case, I was using Vi last week.
>>>
>>
>> I frequently use vi. I discovered it's not installed by default in a
>> docker container, this surprised me.
>
> Things like Docker and containers etc. are way above my pay grade and
> even having never used them, their very esistence and systems like
> them was one of several reasons (another big one was Jira) why I spent
> loads of money trying to change career, even if it meant a
> fifteen-plus grand pay cut.
>
> Yet here I am, using vi (which I quite like in small doses) and
> updating Jira tickets (which I don't).
>

Having installed various things in Linux world on a RPi. there are
invariably huge numbers of dependencies. You get eg a 3D printer app
working on the Pi (Octopi), then you want to add, I dunno, some home
automation system (Home Assistant), which also has its dependencies.
Result, pretty quickly = a trashed system and you forget where all the
data is stored.

Docker's quite a revelation. I think it's really clever though I only
understand a tiny bit of it. I'm amazed at the speed and power of
deploying something in a container versus having to run it in the native
OS. I've got about 16 containers running on a little Pi4 and so far
nothing's broken.

<small voice> I don't mind Jira. Or DevOps. I'm useless at documenting
stuff and I find either invaluable for writing down the essentials.

--
/Simon

wessie wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > sweller wrote:
> >> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
> >> universally awful.
> >>
> > I remember us having this conversation before. I found much the same,
> > but did notice that everything came with a bowl of fairly lethal pico
> > de gallo on the side, which deblandified anything it touched. So I
> > just assumed the idea was to let the customer pick how bland or not to
> > have it.
> >
> does this pico de gallo vary in taste and texture between restaurants or is
> it much like "kids meals" in the UK i.e. beige crunchy things slathered in
> ketchup?

I'm really struggling to reconcile the first half of that sentence, before the or, with the second half.

What are you on about?

siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> Docker's quite a revelation. I think it's really clever though I only
> understand a tiny bit of it. I'm amazed at the speed and power of
> deploying something in a container versus having to run it in the native
> OS. I've got about 16 containers running on a little Pi4 and so far
> nothing's broken.

Methinks I might be investigating this soon... But I generally use a
Pi Zero to do one single thing, and make duplicate copies of the SD
card against the day when it inevitably goes TITSUP[tm].

--
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ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6eedf715-96cd-4233-ab2e-fad242d8d41fn@googlegroups.com:

> wessie wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>> > sweller wrote:
>> >> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
>> >> universally awful.
>> >>
>> > I remember us having this conversation before. I found much the
>> > same, but did notice that everything came with a bowl of fairly
>> > lethal pico de gallo on the side, which deblandified anything it
>> > touched. So I just assumed the idea was to let the customer pick
>> > how bland or not to have it.
>> >
>> does this pico de gallo vary in taste and texture between restaurants
>> or is it much like "kids meals" in the UK i.e. beige crunchy things
>> slathered in ketchup?
>
> I'm really struggling to reconcile the first half of that sentence,
> before the or, with the second half.
>
> What are you on about?
>

The food is described as bland without the pico de gallo.

If you get the same condiment to make the food not bland then it would be
boring.

Hence the question, does the sauce vary much from place to place to add
variety?

On 26/10/2021 19:47, wessie wrote:
> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:6eedf715-96cd-4233-ab2e-fad242d8d41fn@googlegroups.com:
>
>> wessie wrote:
>>> ogden wrote:
>>>> sweller wrote:
>>>>> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
>>>>> universally awful.
>>>>>
>>>> I remember us having this conversation before. I found much the
>>>> same, but did notice that everything came with a bowl of fairly
>>>> lethal pico de gallo on the side, which deblandified anything it
>>>> touched. So I just assumed the idea was to let the customer pick
>>>> how bland or not to have it.
>>>>
>>> does this pico de gallo vary in taste and texture between restaurants
>>> or is it much like "kids meals" in the UK i.e. beige crunchy things
>>> slathered in ketchup?
>>
>> I'm really struggling to reconcile the first half of that sentence,
>> before the or, with the second half.
>>
>> What are you on about?
>>
>
> The food is described as bland without the pico de gallo.
>
> If you get the same condiment to make the food not bland then it would be
> boring.
>
> Hence the question, does the sauce vary much from place to place to add
> variety?
>

<blank stare>

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/Simon

On 10/26/2021 12:22 AM, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:59:54 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Those are burritos, not tacos.
>>>
>>>> if that gets you excited, you're going to lose your mind over prairie
>>>> oysters, bombay duck, welsh rabbit, sweetbreads and spotted dick.
>
>> Oh, it hardly gets me excited. The only meat I eat comes from the sea,
>> so I usually ignore all those weird dishes. But Mexican cuisine is a
>> part of life over here, and the difference between a taco and a burrito
>> is really pretty simple. It would be like calling a bowl of chowder a pizza.
>
> Hardly. It might better be likened to taking the Spanish word for an
> omelette and using it to refer instead to a flat bread made from wheat
> or corn... who'd do a thing like that, I wonder?
>

Well, since it was the Spanish who called the Aztec dish a tortilla
centuries before they invented the Spanish omelette, I'd have to say
Spaniards.

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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 10/26/2021 3:25 AM, sweller wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
>> But Mexican cuisine is a part of life over here, and the difference
>> between a taco and a burrito is really pretty simple. It would be
>> like calling a bowl of chowder a pizza.
>
> I was in Mexico DF for two weeks in 2010 [1] and the food was
> universally awful.
>
> Street food, cantinas, fancy restaraunts all were fucking grim - bland
> and unpleasant. Like beige incest.
>
> Anything con mole looked as if someone had just shat on the plate -
> someone who was obviously unwell.
>
> I had great visions of tex-mex and all that jazz. Turned out it was
> just mex. Horrid, corn oil and rice.
>

<chuckles>
I'm reminded of the great reputation England has for cuisine.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 10/26/2021 6:33 AM, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 25/10/2021 19:59, Turby wrote:
>> On 10/25/2021 4:58 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Turby wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Those are burritos, not tacos.
>>>
>>>> if that gets you excited, you're going to lose your mind over prairie
>>>> oysters, bombay duck, welsh rabbit, sweetbreads and spotted dick.
>>>
>>> <applause>
>>>
>> Oh, it hardly gets me excited. The only meat I eat comes from the sea,
>
> I had momentarily forgotten you were in left-pondia and for some reason
> I was thinking you had found a somewhat dubious & unorthodox 'solution'
> to sea crossing migrants...
> Either that or the old song, "Whale Meet Again, Don't Know Where, etc"
> :-)
>
That phrasing is due to Jewish and certain Islamic prohibitions against
eating shellfish. I love shellfish.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Mark Olson wrote:

> > Docker's quite a revelation. I think it's really clever though I
> > only understand a tiny bit of it. I'm amazed at the speed and power
> > of deploying something in a container versus having to run it in
> > the native OS. I've got about 16 containers running on a little Pi4
> > and so far nothing's broken.
>
> Methinks I might be investigating this soon... But I generally use a
> Pi Zero to do one single thing, and make duplicate copies of the SD
> card against the day when it inevitably goes

I have several Pi Zeros dotted around my chicken coop - and copies of
the necessary SD cards, just in case.

Four acting as cameras and another controlling the house pop door and
water heaters.

I'm sure there's a more elegant way of doing it but it works.
http://chickenpi.is-very-nice.org/

--
Simon