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* 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
+* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
|+- 250cc 2T V-TwinDave Brown
|`* 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| +* 250cc 2T V-TwinWUN
| |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| +- 250cc 2T V-TwinCT
| +* 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
| |`* 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| | +- 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
| | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinAce
| +* 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
| | +* 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| | |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
| | `* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |  `* 250cc 2T V-TwinHog
| |   +* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |+* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   ||`- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |+* 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   ||+* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |||+* 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   ||||+- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   ||||`* 250cc 2T V-TwinBoots
| |   |||| +- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |||| `* 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| |   ||||  +- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   ||||  +* 250cc 2T V-TwinBoots
| |   ||||  |`* 250cc 2T V-TwingeoffC
| |   ||||  | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinBoots
| |   ||||  `- 250cc 2T V-TwinAce
| |   |||+* 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| |   ||||+* 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   |||||+* 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   ||||||+- 250cc 2T V-TwinDave Brown
| |   ||||||`* 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| |   |||||| `* 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   ||||||  `- 250cc 2T V-TwinDave Brown
| |   |||||`* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   ||||| `- 250cc 2T V-Twinsiwilson
| |   ||||`* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |||| `- 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| |   |||+- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |||`* 250cc 2T V-Twinsweller
| |   ||| `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   ||+- 250cc 2T V-TwinPete Fisher
| |   ||`- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
| |   | +* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   | |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
| |   | | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   | `* 250cc 2T V-TwinTurby
| |   |  `* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |   +* 250cc 2T V-Twinsweller
| |   |   |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |   | `* 250cc 2T V-TwinHiggins
| |   |   |  `* 250cc 2T V-TwinTurby
| |   |   |   `* 250cc 2T V-TwinHiggins
| |   |   |    +* 250cc 2T V-TwinTurby
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| |   |   |    |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |   |    `- 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| |   |   `* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   |    `* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |     `* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   |      +- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |      +- 250cc 2T V-TwinHiggins
| |   |      +* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |      |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |      `* 250cc 2T V-TwinPete Fisher
| |   |       `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   +* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| |   | `* 250cc 2T V-TwinAce
| |   |  +* 250cc 2T V-TwinMike Fleming
| |   |  |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinBruce Horrocks
| |   |  +* 250cc 2T V-Twinogden
| |   |  |+* 250cc 2T V-TwinHiggins
| |   |  ||+- 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |  ||`* 250cc 2T V-TwinBruce Horrocks
| |   |  || +* 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
| |   |  || |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | +* 250cc 2T V-TwinPete Fisher
| |   |  || | |`- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | +* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   |  || | |+- 250cc 2T V-TwinWUN
| |   |  || | |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | | `* 250cc 2T V-TwinBoots
| |   |  || | |  +* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | |  |`* 250cc 2T V-Twinwessie
| |   |  || | |  | +* 250cc 2T V-TwinEddie
| |   |  || | |  | |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinMark Olson
| |   |  || | |  | | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | |  | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | |  +- 250cc 2T V-TwinChrisND @UKRM
| |   |  || | |  `* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  || | |   +* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
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| |   |  || | |   |+- 250cc 2T V-TwinBen Blaney
| |   |  || | |   |+* 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
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| |   |  || | `- 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
| |   |  || +* 250cc 2T V-TwinChamp
| |   |  || `- 250cc 2T V-TwinYTC#1
| |   |  |`* 250cc 2T V-TwinStephen Packer
| |   |  `- 250cc 2T V-Twinsweller
| |   +* 250cc 2T V-Twinwessie
| |   `* 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
| `- 250cc 2T V-TwinPipl
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Re: 250cc 2T V-Twin

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From: xsu...@xmail.com (Turby)
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Subject: Re: 250cc 2T V-Twin
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 by: Turby - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:21 UTC

On 12/16/2021 2:43 PM, Pipl wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 21:26:52 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 16 Dec 2021 08:17:40 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pipl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I still think that there should be continuous brass strips along all
>>>>> routes so that cars can simply pull power off the Grid directly. Of
>>>>> course, the vehicle would have to track the power feeds accurately, so
>>>>> a simple slot between the two would do nicely. Who needs all that
>>>>> complex smart vision technology?
>>>>
>>>> Bordeaux trams are quite clever in this regard. They have an exposed
>>>> contact rail that is only live when the tram is over it.
>>>>
>>>> https://invisiblebordeaux.blogspot.com/2011/12/bordeaux-trams-underground-power.html
>>>
>>> Neat.
>>
>> One wonders how secure the system for turning the power on and off is.
>
> I would hope at least as good as the speed controller on the tram
> itself.
>
>> (Almost) along those lines... years ago, my workplace decided to close
>> off a frequently used hallway between our offices and the canteen. It
>> was to be dedicated to hauling parts back and forth from the "crib"
>> to the assembly/test area, and the parts were going to be hauled by
>> automated robot cars. Doors would be opened by coded signals from
>> infrared emitters on the front of the cars.
>
>> The controlled access part of the scheme was turned on, but with
>> humans driving little electric trucks, in hollowed out volcano Bond
>> villain style.
>
> Heh
>
>> Not wanting to have to walk the extra distance to avoid the corridor
>> of doom, a couple of us decided to check out the claims of the
>> infrared signals being coded. Turns out, a simple infrared LED +
>> a dropping resistor + a battery & a switch was sufficient to trigger
>> the detector. Not even a 555 timer IC to generate pulses was necessary,
>> just thumbing the switch a few times.
>
> "Halt!"
>
> "Switch bounce!"
>
> "Pass, friend!"
>
>
The 50's scifi comics didn't have this in their scripts.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

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 by: Boots - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 05:23 UTC

On 16/12/2021 16:45 Champ penned these words:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 22:35:21 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> [1] Actually *every* source of energy kills more people than nuclear.
>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/09/29/forget-eagle-deaths-wind-turbines-kill-humans/?sh=4838faf45467>
>
> *ding*
>
> How many coal miners have been killed, and that's before you even
> start on those impacted by shit air quality

IIRC coal ash from power plants release 1000x the radioactivity that nuclear
power generation does.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/16/2021 12:26 PM, Higgins wrote:
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2021 11:24 AM, Higgins wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 16/12/2021 10:42, sweller wrote:
>>>>>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (almost) forever. Transporting waste to a secure and reliable site
>>>>>>>> means exposing it to terrorist action, and I don't see how you can
>>>>>>>> mitigate that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparenlty we used to arm the ships we moved it around on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trains, however, aren't and just in normal traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah, 'cos who is going to hijack a train?
>>>>>
>>>> There’s no point if you look at the design strength of the flasks and, even
>>>> if you gained access to the contents, you’re not going to last long enough
>>>> to move them anywhere.
>>>>
>>> "Suicide bomber" kinda eliminates the idea of a deterrent.
>>
>> Wouldn’t even make a dent.
>>
>
> 1. Not all nuclear plants use the same storage units.

We’re talking transportation not storage and the safety standard is
international.

> 2. You don't think a terrorist organization could come up with a way to
> get into them?
>
They are immensely strong (the UK crashed a train into one at 100mph during
testing) and transferred under armed guard so I suspect it’s a fairly low
risk. But, what would they do once they got into it?

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 by: WUN - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:02 UTC

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:44:27 PM UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:39:48 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Three Mile Island?
>
> Tell me, how many people did that kill?

I once saw a bumper sticker that said "More people died at Chappaquiddick
than Three Mile Island".

--
WUN

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 by: YTC#1 - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:11 UTC

On 16/12/2021 22:21, Turby wrote:
> On 12/16/2021 12:26 PM, Higgins wrote:
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2021 11:24 AM, Higgins wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 16/12/2021 10:42, sweller wrote:
>>>>>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (almost) forever. Transporting waste to a secure and reliable site
>>>>>>>> means  exposing it to terrorist action, and I don't see how you can
>>>>>>>> mitigate that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparenlty we used to arm the ships we moved it around on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trains, however, aren't and just in normal traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah, 'cos who is going to hijack a train?
>>>>>
>>>> There’s no point if you look at the design strength of the flasks
>>>> and, even
>>>> if you gained access to the contents, you’re not going to last long
>>>> enough
>>>> to move them anywhere.
>>>>
>>> "Suicide bomber" kinda eliminates the idea of a deterrent.
>>
>> Wouldn’t even make a dent.
>>
>
> 1. Not all nuclear plants use the same storage units.
> 2. You don't think a terrorist organization could come up with a way to
> get into them?
>

I know, make a nuke and drop it on the train.
That would sort it.

--
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"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: YTC#1 - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:15 UTC

On 16/12/2021 19:42, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> AFAICS, nuclear power is ok except for earthquakes (which is more of a
>>> problem anywhere on the Pacific Ocean coast,) and the waste, which lasts
>
>> How easily everyone seems to forget Chenobyl.
>
> Which killed a handful of people
>

Apart from the cloud that meant Welsh sheep from certain areas could not
be eaten for many many years. And an entire town being made uninhabitable.

Then tehre were 5000 thyroid cancers and 350,000 people needing evacuation.

Nah, not an issue, move along, nothing to see.

I was bringing it up because it was a human element that caused the
issue (as well as design) and I think 3 mile was human error as well?

People get complacent, then the shit lands.

It is not a matter of if, but when :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: YTC#1 - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:18 UTC

On 16/12/2021 19:44, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:39:48 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Three Mile Island?
>
> Tell me, how many people did that kill?

You know how many.
I understand your postion.

But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
years after exposure.

>
> As far as mass energy production is concerned, the nuclear industry is
> many orders of magnitude safer than any other industry
>

So far :-)

I'd be happier if the waste product was not such a long term issue, but
like the climate that is anotehr generations problem.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: Boots - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 12:33 UTC

On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
> years after exposure.

President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy, he's now 96.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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 by: YTC#1 - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:17 UTC

On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>> years after exposure.
>
> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy, he's now 96.
>

Nuts

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http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
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 by: AJH - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:47 UTC

On 17/12/2021 05:23, Boots wrote:
> IIRC coal ash from power plants release 1000x the radioactivity that nuclear
> power generation does.

When you consider the conditions in which coal was formed it is not
surprising it contains quantities of heavy metals

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 by: ChrisND @UKRM - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:53 UTC

On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>> years after exposure.
>
> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy, he's now 96.
>
OTOH my late stepfather was irradiated as an 'atomic observer' in the
far east. He died of an 'unusual' cancer scenario - which he blamed on
the irradiation.

I spent most of my working life a physicist.
Radiation is not good.
It is fundamentally damaging.
Even low doses are not 'safe' - merely less damaging.

HTH, C

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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 by: wessie - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:25 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:spid7j$ntk$1@dont-email.me:

> On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
>> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>>> years after exposure.
>>
>> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy,
>> he's now 96.
>>
>
> Nuts
>

no, legumes

no nuts in peanuts

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From: edd...@deguello.org (Eddie)
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 by: Eddie - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 20:52 UTC

On 17/12/2021 17:25, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:spid7j$ntk$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
>>> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>>>> years after exposure.
>>>
>>> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy,
>>> he's now 96.
>>
>> Nuts
>
> no, legumes
>
> no nuts in peanuts
^^^^

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

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 by: Mark Olson - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:13 UTC

Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 17:25, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:spid7j$ntk$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
>>>> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>>>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>>>>> years after exposure.
>>>>
>>>> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy,
>>>> he's now 96.
>>>
>>> Nuts
>>
>> no, legumes
>>
>> no nuts in peanuts
> ^^^^

Apparently in the same way there's no sea in seagulls.

<d&rfc>

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 by: Mike Fleming - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 00:14 UTC

On 16/12/2021 20:26, Higgins wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 11:24 AM, Higgins wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 16/12/2021 10:42, sweller wrote:
>>>>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> (almost) forever. Transporting waste to a secure and reliable site
>>>>>>> means exposing it to terrorist action, and I don't see how you can
>>>>>>> mitigate that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparenlty we used to arm the ships we moved it around on.
>>>>>
>>>>> The trains, however, aren't and just in normal traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yeah, 'cos who is going to hijack a train?
>>>>
>>> There’s no point if you look at the design strength of the flasks and, even
>>> if you gained access to the contents, you’re not going to last long enough
>>> to move them anywhere.
>>>
>> "Suicide bomber" kinda eliminates the idea of a deterrent.
>
> Wouldn’t even make a dent.

I remember watching this item on the news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY446h4pZdc

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 by: Champ - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 11:28 UTC

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:15:27 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 16/12/2021 19:42, Champ wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> AFAICS, nuclear power is ok except for earthquakes (which is more of a
>>>> problem anywhere on the Pacific Ocean coast,) and the waste, which lasts
>>
>>> How easily everyone seems to forget Chenobyl.
>>
>> Which killed a handful of people

>Apart from the cloud that meant Welsh sheep from certain areas could not
>be eaten for many many years.

Precautionary only

>And an entire town being made uninhabitable.
An industrial town that primarily existed because of the reactor.
And, you know the wildlife there is thriving, with zero evidence of
deformities or other radiation effects?

>Then tehre were 5000 thyroid cancers
Estimated

>and 350,000 people needing evacuation.
Temporarily

>It is not a matter of if, but when :-)

Agreed. Our perspectives obviously differ. Radiation is a natural
phenomenon - if you live in a granite built cottage in Cornwall, you
risk factor is significantly higher than living near Sellafield or a
reactor. And the public health impacts of everything else humans have
done to the planet outweigh nuclear by many many orders of magnitude
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Champ - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 11:31 UTC

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:47:44 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>vastly more complicated to get rid of aftwards (vs disappearing up a chimney).

Isn't the "disappearing up a chimney" thing part of our current
problems?
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: YTC#1 - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:22 UTC

On 17/12/2021 21:13, Mark Olson wrote:
> Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>> On 17/12/2021 17:25, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:spid7j$ntk$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
>>>>> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>>>>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>>>>>> years after exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy,
>>>>> he's now 96.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts
>>>
>>> no, legumes
>>>
>>> no nuts in peanuts
>> ^^^^
>
> Apparently in the same way there's no sea in seagulls.
>
> <d&rfc>
>

Correct, on both points

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: YTC#1 - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:22 UTC

On 17/12/2021 17:25, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:spid7j$ntk$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
>>> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>>>> years after exposure.
>>>
>>> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy,
>>> he's now 96.
>>>
>>
>> Nuts
>>
>
> no, legumes
>
> no nuts in peanuts
>

Thankyou for the education

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: YTC#1 - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:29 UTC

On 17/12/2021 12:33, Boots wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 18:18 YTC#1 penned these words:
>> But one of the issues with radiation is that it can be an issue many
>> years after exposure.
>
> President Carter was highly radiated as a 28 year old in the navy, he's now 96.
>

Interesting.

He also now has melanoma in his brain and liver :-)

It does point, once again, to how a disaster caused by human error has
been avoided by some poor bastards putting themselves at risk.

So far we have been lucky with the nuclear industry, IMO. This could be
because no one currently employs Homer Simpson and people are somewhat
more vigelant.

Let's hope it stays that way.

--
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 by: YTC#1 - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:39 UTC

On 18/12/2021 11:28, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:15:27 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2021 19:42, Champ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> AFAICS, nuclear power is ok except for earthquakes (which is more of a
>>>>> problem anywhere on the Pacific Ocean coast,) and the waste, which lasts
>>>
>>>> How easily everyone seems to forget Chenobyl.
>>>
>>> Which killed a handful of people
>
>> Apart from the cloud that meant Welsh sheep from certain areas could not
>> be eaten for many many years.
>
> Precautionary only
Granted, but based on "not worth the chance" due to rad levels in
soil/grass IIRC.

>
>> And an entire town being made uninhabitable.
> An industrial town that primarily existed because of the reactor.
There is a long history or "work" towns around the world that are there
because of industry.

> And, you know the wildlife there is thriving, with zero evidence of
> deformities or other radiation effects?
>

No, but I am sure there are some interesting studies going on.

>> Then tehre were 5000 thyroid cancers
> Estimated
>
>> and 350,000 people needing evacuation.
> Temporarily

Still had to be done

>
>> It is not a matter of if, but when :-)
>
> Agreed. Our perspectives obviously differ. Radiation is a natural
> phenomenon - if you live in a granite built cottage in Cornwall, you

Yep. And I have drunk water containing arsnic for prolonged periods
(Chile), as you say risk & perspectives differ.

But if you want metal that has not been irradiated there is a good
supply just off Shetland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

> risk factor is significantly higher than living near Sellafield or a
> reactor. And the public health impacts of everything else humans have
> done to the planet outweigh nuclear by many many orders of magnitude
>

--
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Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>
>> and 350,000 people needing evacuation.
> Temporarily
>

In the previously mentioned nuclear risk management event, they also
reckoned that more people had their life shortened by the stresses of
evacuation than would have had by staying put.

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On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 11:31:19 UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:47:44 -0800 (PST), ogden <eld...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >vastly more complicated to get rid of aftwards (vs disappearing up a chimney).
>
> Isn't the "disappearing up a chimney" thing part of our current
> problems?

Absolutely. But that was incidental to the point.

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On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 11:28:22 UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:15:27 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >On 16/12/2021 19:42, Champ wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> AFAICS, nuclear power is ok except for earthquakes (which is more of a
> >>>> problem anywhere on the Pacific Ocean coast,) and the waste, which lasts
> >>
> >>> How easily everyone seems to forget Chenobyl.
> >>
> >> Which killed a handful of people
>
> >Apart from the cloud that meant Welsh sheep from certain areas could not
> >be eaten for many many years.
> Precautionary only
> >And an entire town being made uninhabitable.
> An industrial town that primarily existed because of the reactor.
> And, you know the wildlife there is thriving, with zero evidence of
> deformities or other radiation effects?

Quite a large industrial town and several surrounding villages
covering around 2500 ^2 km.
Sobering to actually see it (as I did in 'before times').

I don't think it's accurate to say 'zero evidence of radiation effects'.
Some see things, others don't.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265931X17309347

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 by: Pete Fisher - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:26 UTC

On 18/12/2021 11:28, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:15:27 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2021 19:42, Champ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> AFAICS, nuclear power is ok except for earthquakes (which is more of a
>>>>> problem anywhere on the Pacific Ocean coast,) and the waste, which lasts
>>>
>>>> How easily everyone seems to forget Chenobyl.
>>>
>>> Which killed a handful of people
>
>> Apart from the cloud that meant Welsh sheep from certain areas could not
>> be eaten for many many years.
>
> Precautionary only
>
>> And an entire town being made uninhabitable.
> An industrial town that primarily existed because of the reactor.
> And, you know the wildlife there is thriving, with zero evidence of
> deformities or other radiation effects?
>
>> Then tehre were 5000 thyroid cancers
> Estimated
>
>> and 350,000 people needing evacuation.
> Temporarily
>
>> It is not a matter of if, but when :-)
>
> Agreed. Our perspectives obviously differ. Radiation is a natural
> phenomenon - if you live in a granite built cottage in Cornwall, you
> risk factor is significantly higher than living near Sellafield or a
> reactor. And the public health impacts of everything else humans have
> done to the planet outweigh nuclear by many many orders of magnitude

But,but, nobody has mentioned 'The China Syndrome".
Memorable mainly for Jane Fonda but reinforcing the fact that all these
potentially hazardous sites may rely ultimately on the quality of a few
welds and the quality control regime for checking them.

I *think* I trust EDF more than some others in this list, but who knows
when 'big energy' are involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_in_the_nuclear_sector

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