In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>
>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>
>He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re all
>operating Usenet services incompetently.

Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
much a part of it, as ES.

And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:00:01 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>
>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>
>>He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re all
>>operating Usenet services incompetently.
>
>Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>much a part of it, as ES.
>
>And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.

See Recliner's multiples dotted through the thread *It gets no better*
(very fitting subject) on Mon 30 Oct...

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>
>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>
>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re all
>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>
> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
> much a part of it, as ES.
>
> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.

It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
capacity.

On 30/10/2023 15:00, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>
>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>
>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>> all
>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>
> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
> much a part of it, as ES.
>
> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.

Something's got worse recently: several reliable contributors have been
making double and triple posts. Let's hope it's temporary. I use ES.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>
>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>
>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>all
>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>
>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>
>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>
>It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>capacity.

And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
be waving bye bye to usenet.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>
>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>> all
>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>
>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>
>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>
>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>> capacity.
>
> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
> but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
> be waving bye bye to usenet.

I actually pay to use another Usenet server, but that has a data limit, so
I've been using ES. I'll stop doing so now.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:15:35 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>be waving bye bye to usenet.

Every cloud....

Mark

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:34:46 +0000
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:15:35 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>>If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me -
>will
>>be waving bye bye to usenet.
>
>Every cloud....

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find a nice echo chamber to inhabit with no
views you disagree with and upset you.

In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>
>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>>all
>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>
>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>
>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>
>>It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>capacity.
>
>And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
>but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
>If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>be waving bye bye to usenet.

I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>>> all
>>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>>
>>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>>
>>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>>
>>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>> capacity.
>>
>> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
>> but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
>> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>> be waving bye bye to usenet.
>
> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.

Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.

I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
It also includes binary news groups.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 19:20:15 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
>2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
>>but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
>
>>If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>
>>be waving bye bye to usenet.
>
>I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.

Not heard of them but useful to know. A tenner a year seems very reasonable.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>
>Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>
>I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>It also includes binary news groups.

Does anyone still use binary groups? The only thing they seemed to be used
for back in the day was porn.

On 31/10/2023 09:13, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>
>> Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>
>> I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>> It also includes binary news groups.
>
> Does anyone still use binary groups? The only thing they seemed to be used
> for back in the day was porn.
>
Obviously all you were looking for, there were a lot of, mainly
American, binary groups featuring railway subjects. Plane and ship
spotters were similarly catered for.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:22:19 +0000
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 31/10/2023 09:13, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>>
>>> Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>>
>>> I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>>> It also includes binary news groups.
>>
>> Does anyone still use binary groups? The only thing they seemed to be used
>> for back in the day was porn.
>>
>Obviously all you were looking for, there were a lot of, mainly
>American, binary groups featuring railway subjects. Plane and ship
>spotters were similarly catered for.

Probably split up into a dozen seperate posts which you had to stitch back
together. Wasn't worth the hassle when even then ftp was available.

On 31/10/2023 09:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:22:19 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 31/10/2023 09:13, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>>>
>>>> I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>>>> It also includes binary news groups.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still use binary groups? The only thing they seemed to be used
>>> for back in the day was porn.
>>>
>> Obviously all you were looking for, there were a lot of, mainly
>> American, binary groups featuring railway subjects. Plane and ship
>> spotters were similarly catered for.
>
> Probably split up into a dozen seperate posts which you had to stitch back
> together. Wasn't worth the hassle when even then ftp was available.
>

Not as I recall, plenty of individual images, just took a long time to
download on a dial-up connection :-)

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>>>> all
>>>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>>> capacity.
>>>
>>> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
>>> but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
>>> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>>> be waving bye bye to usenet.
>>
>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>
>Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>
>I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>It also includes binary news groups.

As do I, but I have a non-binaries account. It's the USD equivalent of
about £2.30/month.

In message <uhqhjo$vmtq$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:32:40 on Tue, 31 Oct
2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:22:19 +0000
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 31/10/2023 09:13, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>>>
>>>> I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>>>> It also includes binary news groups.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still use binary groups? The only thing they seemed to be used
>>> for back in the day was porn.
>>>
>>Obviously all you were looking for, there were a lot of, mainly
>>American, binary groups featuring railway subjects. Plane and ship
>>spotters were similarly catered for.
>
>Probably split up into a dozen seperate posts which you had to stitch back
>together. Wasn't worth the hassle when even then ftp was available.

Or you could have a Usenet client which stitched them back together
automatically.
--
Roland Perry

In message <vfY%M.66350$U4F3.21558@fx09.ams1>, at 00:54:51 on Tue, 31
Oct 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically,
>>>>>>thinks we’re
>>>> all
>>>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>>> capacity.
>>>
>>> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's
>>>Usenet Farm but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially
>>>useless now for usenet.

>>> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including
>>>me - will be waving bye bye to usenet.
>>
>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>
>Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.

It has never failed the decade or so I've subscribed to it. It's run by
a University in Berlin.

The only hiccup was they briefly thought they couldn't take subs from
Brits "Because of Brexit" (I'd rather be able to buy bananas not soaked
in pesticides, than prevented from buying online services from EU), but
they found a way around that.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ebj1ki991277hd5c47c4brfo2ua54dj1eb@4ax.com>, at 09:49:58 on
Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically,
>>>>>>>thinks we’re
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>>>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>>>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>>>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>>>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>>>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>>>> capacity.
>>>>
>>>> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's
>>>>Usenet Farm but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially
>>>>useless now for usenet.

>>>> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people -
>>>>including me - will be waving bye bye to usenet.
>>>
>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>
>>Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>
>>I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>>It also includes binary news groups.
>
>As do I, but I have a non-binaries account. It's the USD equivalent of
>about £2.30/month.

Back in the day the majority of Usenet Binaries were either Warez, or
hard core porn [aka child-abuse images]. Combating both was my day job
for many years.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:49:58 +0000, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 00:54:51 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uhokr7$hbdc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:35 on Mon, 30 Oct
>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:03:36 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks we’re
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>>>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall Usenet
>>>>>> service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node is as
>>>>>> much a part of it, as ES.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be OK for quite a while, and then goes through occasional bad
>>>>> patches, with multiple failures. That's what we've seen recently. As it's
>>>>> free, it's presumably run on a shoe-string, with little back-up or spare
>>>>> capacity.
>>>>
>>>> And if it vanishes there are AFAIK no other free options. There's Usenet Farm
>>>> but thats pay-to-post and google groups is essentially useless now for usenet.
>>>> If ES goes the way of aioe.org I suspect a lot of people - including me - will
>>>> be waving bye bye to usenet.
>>>
>>> I use Individual.net, which only costs ten Euros a year.
>>
>>Yes, that sounds like a good option if the service is reliable.
>>
>>I pay a bit more (but still a trivial amount) for the Forte Agent server.
>>It also includes binary news groups.
>
>As do I, but I have a non-binaries account. It's the USD equivalent of
>about £2.30/month.

I paid £2.44 last month, which included binaries. The monthly charges fluctuate, of course, depending on the USD/GBP
rate.

On 30/10/2023 16:09, Certes wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 15:00, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>
>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>
>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks
>>> we’re all
>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>
>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall
>> Usenet service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node
>> is as much a part of it, as ES.
>>
>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>
> Something's got worse recently: several reliable contributors have been
> making double and triple posts.  Let's hope it's temporary.  I use ES.

I moved to ES when BT stopped its own direct access to usenet.

Some may say good riddance, but if ES ceases, I will probably confine
myself to RailUK forum.

Just in case ES ceases, though, thanks to everyone for years of -
usually friendly - if sometimes controversal - discussions, mostly about
railways.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:18:19 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 30/10/2023 16:09, Certes wrote:
>> On 30/10/2023 15:00, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <uh9c8a$6nv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:16:58 on Tue, 24 Oct
>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> Posting a duplicate message at 0:30am, are you suffering from insomnia
>>>>>> as well as finger trouble with your usenet client?
>>>>>
>>>>> You appear not to be aware of the ES glitches.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn’t believe their glitches; he, idiosyncratically, thinks
>>>> we’re all
>>>> operating Usenet services incompetently.
>>>
>>> Competent choice of server is part of everyone's role when posting to
>>> Usenet (and operating your client as one component of the overall
>>> Usenet service). The Internet is a network of networks, and your node
>>> is as much a part of it, as ES.
>>>
>>> And it [ES] seems to be getting worse, not better.
>>
>> Something's got worse recently: several reliable contributors have been
>> making double and triple posts.  Let's hope it's temporary.  I use ES.
>
>I moved to ES when BT stopped its own direct access to usenet.

Yes, same here. BT used to purchase its Usenet service from Giganews, but decided to discontinue the service.

>
>Some may say good riddance, but if ES ceases, I will probably confine
>myself to RailUK forum.
>
>Just in case ES ceases, though, thanks to everyone for years of -
>usually friendly - if sometimes controversal - discussions, mostly about
>railways.
>

Yes, indeed.

Bevan Price wrote:

>I moved to ES when BT stopped its own direct access to usenet.
>
>Some may say good riddance, but if ES ceases, I will probably confine
>myself to RailUK forum.
>
>Just in case ES ceases, though, thanks to everyone for years of -
>usually friendly - if sometimes controversal - discussions, mostly about
>railways.

http://news.individual.net/overview.php

is a popular alternative. It does cost 10 EUR per year.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

In message <imn1kihi68onua9f7736kbgd7k20kid6av@4ax.com>, at 11:08:26 on
Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> remarked:
>Bevan Price wrote:
>
>>I moved to ES when BT stopped its own direct access to usenet.
>>
>>Some may say good riddance, but if ES ceases, I will probably confine
>>myself to RailUK forum.
>>
>>Just in case ES ceases, though, thanks to everyone for years of -
>>usually friendly - if sometimes controversal - discussions, mostly about
>>railways.
>
>http://news.individual.net/overview.php
>
>is a popular alternative. It does cost 10 EUR per year.

Yes indeed. It probably costs me more than 10 EUR a year in my time to
remember to renew and pay the subscription.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 08:28:16 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

Well go and do it now then, and pay for several years at the same
time.

When it was thought that it would be unable to pay from the UK I paid
for five years at once.

John

> >
> >http://news.individual.net/overview.php
> >
> >is a popular alternative. It does cost 10 EUR per year.
>
> Yes indeed. It probably costs me more than 10 EUR a year in my time to
> remember to renew and pay the subscription.

--
Regards

John