Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Nope, there wont be any more crashes due to that issue, you watch.

> Standard pile of Rodbot CRAP.

You'll see...

>>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
>>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.

>> Irrelevant to whether we will see anymore of the MAXs crash for that
>> reason.

> What is IS is a massive reason to never forget what transpired.

Irrelevant to whether we will see anymore of the MAXs crash for that reason.

>> >> Yes, after the shit hit the fan in such a big way I doubt that Boeing
>> >> or
>> >> FAA would be stupid enough to allow the Max to fly if it wasn't fixed.
>>
>> > The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>>
>> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Of course its possible to
>> fix using just a single sensor and to train the pilots in how to override
>> the MCAS if it does fuck up again.

> MCAS was never the "basic flaw"

It was the way that that basic flaw is no longer a problem, fuckwit.

On 12/10/21 2:33 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>> I expect they got a good price on the planes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Airlines lease planes, dodgy or otherwise,
>>>>
>>>> Not all of them do and you don’t know how many
>>>> who have aircraft to lease will choose to have any
>>>> MAXs with so many of them unwanted.
>>>
>>>
>>> **  Bonza do plan to  * lease *  B737 MAXs .
>>>
>>> https://www.afr.com/companies/tourism/new-airline-bonza-to-launch-in-early-2022-20211011-p58ywl
>>>
>>>
>>> Not covering the three major routes is a risky tactic.
>>> When the operation goes belly up, the planes can just be handed back.
>>>
>>> Same old, same old.
>>>
>> Running any airline can be a risky business especially dealing with
>> Covid issues on top of all the normal risks.
>> Have a look a Juan Browns latest video, looks like the major US
>> airlines are in for a world of trouble after the Federal Govt mandated
>> Covid vaccinations for all airline staff, it seems that they aren't so
>> much opposed to being vaccinated but they aren't happy with the way it
>> is to be implemented.
>
>> Covid already caused a US wide pilot shortage and now its about to get
>> a lot worse.
>
> That remains to be seen given that most of them have
> no real alternative but to drive a truck or bus etc.

Apparently its the older pilots close to retirement that are quitting.
That is a problem for airlines in 2 ways, one is that there is no one to
replace them and secondly its the older experienced pilots who train and
certify new pilots so if they retire then it creates a backlog in
trainee system.

--
Daryl

On 12/10/21 2:17 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Daryl the Dickhead wrote:
> =====================
>>>
>>> And plenty like us who do remember which plane crashed twice
>>> realise that the problem has been fixed and won't happen again.
>
> ** That is not a " realise" that is a pious hope.
>
> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>
>
>> Yes, after the shit hit the fan in such a big way I doubt that Boeing or
>> FAA would be stupid enough to allow the Max to fly if it wasn't fixed.
>
> ** The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix " and so has not been.
> Just buried a bit deeper.
>

If they can make them fly safely without crashing then most would
consider that "fixed".
Only time will tell if the Max turns out to be a safe aircraft and I
would think twice before flying on one.

--
Daryl

Rod Speed Wins Every Turing Test
============================
>
> > Standard pile of Rodbot CRAP.
>
> >>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
> >>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
> >>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>
> >> What is IS is a massive reason to never forget what transpired.
>>
> >> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>>>
> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>>
> It was the way that that basic flaw is no longer a problem, fuckwit.
>

** Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
When that is involved in another crash, the plane will be grounded forever.

The 737MAX is truly " ... not safe at any altitude ".

For those who may not know, the basic flaw in the MAX is the size and position of the engines in front of the wings.
Makes the plane highly prone to stalling at high attack angles during any phase of flight.

...... Phil

Daryl the Dickhead wrote:
=====================
>
> >
> > ** The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix " and so has not been.
> > Just buried a bit deeper.
> >
> If they can make them fly safely without crashing then most would
> consider that "fixed".

** Most who - idiots like you ?

> Only time will tell if the Max turns out to be a safe aircraft and I
> would think twice before flying on one.
>

** Whenever Daryl goes the the races - he only lays each way bets.

....... Phil

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>> I expect they got a good price on the planes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Airlines lease planes, dodgy or otherwise,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of them do and you don’t know how many
>>>>> who have aircraft to lease will choose to have any
>>>>> MAXs with so many of them unwanted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** Bonza do plan to * lease * B737 MAXs .
>>>>
>>>> https://www.afr.com/companies/tourism/new-airline-bonza-to-launch-in-early-2022-20211011-p58ywl
>>>>
>>>> Not covering the three major routes is a risky tactic.
>>>> When the operation goes belly up, the planes can just be handed back.
>>>>
>>>> Same old, same old.
>>>>
>>> Running any airline can be a risky business especially dealing with
>>> Covid issues on top of all the normal risks.
>>> Have a look a Juan Browns latest video, looks like the major US airlines
>>> are in for a world of trouble after the Federal Govt mandated Covid
>>> vaccinations for all airline staff, it seems that they aren't so much
>>> opposed to being vaccinated but they aren't happy with the way it is to
>>> be implemented.
>>
>>> Covid already caused a US wide pilot shortage and now its about to get a
>>> lot worse.
>>
>> That remains to be seen given that most of them have
>> no real alternative but to drive a truck or bus etc.
>
> Apparently its the older pilots close to retirement that are quitting.
> That is a problem for airlines in 2 ways, one is that there is no one to
> replace them and secondly its the older experienced pilots who train and
> certify new pilots so if they retire then it creates a backlog in trainee
> system.

Sure but its far from clear that that will make things A LOT
worse given the problem the virus has already produced.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>> >>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
>> >>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>>
>> >> What is IS is a massive reason to never forget what transpired.
>>>
>> >> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>>>>
>> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>>>
>> It was the way that that basic flaw is no longer a problem, fuckwit.

> Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
> and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.

Wrong, as always. The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem and
the MCAS redone properly and with the pilot being able to disable
it if it fucks up means that it wont cause any more crashes. Its not
as if it isn't obvious if it does fuck up and trivial to indicate to the
pilot that it is taking control of the aircraft pitch and so the pilot
can disable it if its clear that it shouldn’t be doing that.

> When that is involved in another crash,

Taint gunna happen.

> the plane will be grounded forever.

Taint gunna happen.

> The 737MAX is truly " ... not safe at any altitude ".

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> For those who may not know, the basic flaw in the MAX
> is the size and position of the engines in front of the wings.

> Makes the plane highly prone to stalling at
> high attack angles during any phase of flight.

Not when the MCAS stops that, fuckwit.

Rod Speed Ex Cop Demented Retard wrote:
================================
>
> >> >>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
> >> >>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
> >> >>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
> >>
> >> >> What is IS is a massive reason to never forget what transpired.
> >>>
> >> >> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
> >>>>
> >> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
> >>>
> >> It was the way that that basic flaw is no longer a problem, fuckwit.
> > Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
> > and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
>
> Wrong, as always.

** You are - robot head fuckwit.

> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem

** ROTFLMAO !!

It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved - you NUT CASE.

> the MCAS redone properly and with the pilot being able to disable
> it if it fucks up means that it wont cause any more crashes.

** But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.

You anencephalic, bullshitting POS.

....... Phil

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >> >>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>> >> >>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
>> >> >>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>> >>
>> >> >> What is IS is a massive reason to never forget what transpired.
>> >>>
>> >> >> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>> >>>>
>> >> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>> >>>
>> >> It was the way that that basic flaw is no longer a problem, fuckwit.
>> > Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
>> > and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.

>> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
> It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved

Like hell it did.
>> the MCAS redone properly and with the pilot being able to disable
>> it if it fucks up means that it wont cause any more crashes.
> But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.

Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.

Rod Speed Loses AGAIN and AGAIN wrote:
=================================

>>>>
> >> >> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>>
> >> > Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
> >> > and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
> >>
> > >> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
>
> > It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved
>>
> Like hell it did.

** Course it did.

> > But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.

> Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.

** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing was done about where the giant engines are fitted nor can be done.

Robot lies, robot lies, robot lies, robot lies ...............................

...... Phil

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >> >> > MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>>>
>> >> > Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
>> >> > and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

>> > >> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
>>
>> > It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved
>>>
>> Like hell it did.

> Course it did.

Like hell it did.

>> > But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.
>
>> Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.

> Nothing was done about where the giant engines are fitted nor can be done.

MCAS was what was done, fuckwit.

On 12/10/21 3:23 pm, retarded Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Daryl the Dickhead wrote:
> =====================
>>
>>>
>>> ** The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix " and so has not been.
>>> Just buried a bit deeper.
>>>
>> If they can make them fly safely without crashing then most would
>> consider that "fixed".
>
> ** Most who - idiots like you ?

The huge numbers of the population that wouldn't have a clue or care
what type of aircraft they fly on.

>
>> Only time will tell if the Max turns out to be a safe aircraft and I
>> would think twice before flying on one.
>>
>
> ** Whenever Daryl goes the the races - he only lays each way bets.

I don't go to the races and I don't lay bets, do you?

--
Daryl

On 12/10/21 4:37 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Rod Speed Loses AGAIN and AGAIN wrote:
> =================================
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>>>
>>>>> Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
>>>>> and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
>>>>
>>>>> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
>>
>>> It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved
>>>
>> Like hell it did.
>
> ** Course it did.
>
>>> But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.
>
>> Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.
>
> ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Nothing was done about where the giant engines are fitted nor can be done.
>

Despite the design flaw the MAX can still be flown manually.
If there is a problem with MCAS after the fix the pilots will know how
to deal with it whereas before they had little or no training on MCAS,
the aircraft might be more difficult to handle but it can still fly
safely manually.

--
Daryl

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:15:36 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>it's not April 1, so this is for real.
>A fleet of B737 MAX jets flying main & regional routes around Australia at one class, budget prices. Just what we've all been waiting for.
>
>https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/new-lowcost-airline-bonza-preparing-for-takeoff-in-early-2022/news-story/a887feafa54a833a8c3f8330901aaedb
>
>Starting a new airline with notoriously dodgy planes at this time has to be a massive triumph of optimism over experience.
>
Based at Bankstown?
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On 12/10/2021 1:41 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>> Daryl wrote
>
>>>> And plenty like us who do remember which plane crashed twice
>>>> realise that the problem has been fixed and won't happen again.
>
>> That is not a  " realise"  that is a pious hope.
>
> Nope, there wont be any more crashes due to that issue, you watch.
>
> Neither Boeing nor the FAA are actually that stupid.
>
>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>> ever scandal *  in passenger aviation history.
>
>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>
> Irrelevant to whether we will see anymore of the MAXs crash for that
> reason.
>
>>> Yes, after the shit hit the fan in such a big way I doubt that Boeing or
>>> FAA would be stupid enough to allow the Max to fly if it wasn't fixed.
>
>> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>
> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Of course its possible to
> fix using just a single sensor and to train the pilots in how to override
> the MCAS if it does fuck up again.

The basic problem is the fucked up aerodynamics, MCAS was a workaround,
now there are workarounds to that workaround.

Had Boeing not been so eager to match the Neo, they wouldn't have gone
cheap and built in a single point of failure, and would have included
MCAS in the documentation.

I've worked on a lot of high reliability systems and the mantra has
always been no single points of failure *EVER*. That goes doubly or more
with systems where people die when there are failures.

Daryl the Cokhead wrote:
=====================
>>
> >>> ** The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix " and so has not been.
> >>> Just buried a bit deeper.
> >>>
> >> If they can make them fly safely without crashing then most would
> >> consider that "fixed".
> >
> > ** Most who - idiots like you ?
>
> The huge numbers of the population that wouldn't have a clue or care
> what type of aircraft they fly on.

** WRONG !!!!!!!!

> >> Only time will tell if the Max turns out to be a safe aircraft and I
> >> would think twice before flying on one.
> >>
> >
> > ** Whenever Daryl goes the the races - he only lays each way bets.
>
> I don't go to the races and I don't lay bets, do you?

** It was a joke - Joyce.

You just took a blatant " each way bet " - right on this NG.

You horse's arse.

On 12/10/2021 12:30 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

> And even if they do, they will likely lease
> them cheaper than the A320neo.

What evidence do you have for that other than Boeings desperation?

Petzl wrote:
============
>
> >Starting a new airline with notoriously dodgy planes at this time has to be a massive triumph of optimism over experience.
> >
> Based at Bankstown?

** The Bonza base will be at a rural airport in Qld or southern NSW.

If this ever goes ahead.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:03:05 PM UTC+11, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/10/21 4:37 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> > Rod Speed Loses AGAIN and AGAIN wrote:
> > =================================
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
> >>>
> >>>>> Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
> >>>>> and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
> >>
> >>> It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved
> >>>
> >> Like hell it did.
> >
> > ** Course it did.
> >
> >>> But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.
> >
> >> Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.
> >
> > ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Nothing was done about where the giant engines are fitted nor can be done.
> >
> Despite the design flaw the MAX can still be flown manually.

** But not safely, you fucking moron.,

> If there is a problem with MCAS after the fix the pilots will know how
> to deal with it whereas before they had little or no training on MCAS,
> the aircraft might be more difficult to handle but it can still fly
> safely manually.

** FFS !!!!!

with MCAS out, the POS MAX has a strong tendency to pitch up and stall at the worst possible moment.

During climb out or any sudden climb due to wind or storm or crash avoidance.
Or plain disoriented pilot error.
Or a dozen other things.

MCAS will die in the arse if there is a major electrical failure.

Get real you pathetic wanker.

....... Phil

keithr0 wrote:
==============
>
> The basic problem is the fucked up aerodynamics, MCAS was a workaround,
> now there are workarounds to that workaround.
>

** Just as I posted already.

The must be some honest folk at the FAA who think the MAX needs to be grounded forever.
But aviation politics got in their way - as always.

Like with the cargo door on the DC10.
After the first crash it was obvious it needed to be re-engineered but that did not happen before hundreds died.
Look it up.

....... Phil

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daryl wrote

>>>>> And plenty like us who do remember which plane crashed twice
>>>>> realise that the problem has been fixed and won't happen again.
>>
>>> That is not a " realise" that is a pious hope.
>>
>> Nope, there wont be any more crashes due to that issue, you watch.
>>
>> Neither Boeing nor the FAA are actually that stupid.
>>
>>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>>> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
>>
>>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>>
>> Irrelevant to whether we will see anymore of the MAXs crash for that
>> reason.
>>
>>>> Yes, after the shit hit the fan in such a big way I doubt that Boeing
>>>> or
>>>> FAA would be stupid enough to allow the Max to fly if it wasn't fixed.
>>
>>> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>>
>> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Of course its possible to
>> fix using just a single sensor and to train the pilots in how to override
>> the MCAS if it does fuck up again.

> The basic problem is the fucked up aerodynamics,

Yep.

> MCAS was a workaround,

Nope, it fixed the problem when done properly.

> now there are workarounds to that workaround.

More of your mindless bullshit. Its now been done properly
with more than one sensor and the pilots have been told
about it so they can disable it if it fails, as all systems can.

> Had Boeing not been so eager to match the Neo, they wouldn't have gone
> cheap and built in a single point of failure,

More of your mindless bullshit. The single sensor had nothing
to do with matching the neo, it was just another design fuckup.

> and would have included MCAS in the documentation.

And the training.

> I've worked on a lot of high reliability systems and the mantra has always
> been no single points of failure *EVER*.

And Boeing has done it like that forever now.

And just fucked up with MCAS. And haven't now, otherwise
the FAA wouldn’t have allowed it to fly again.

So its stupid to claim that its just a workaround on a workaround.

> That goes doubly or more with systems where people die when there are
> failures.

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> And even if they do, they will likely lease
>> them cheaper than the A320neo.
> What evidence do you have for that

The fact that its been grounded for more than a year, stupid.

> other than Boeings desperation?

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Daryl wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote

>> >>>>>>> MCAS was never the "basic flaw"
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Turn MCAS off for any reason, or have it fail
>> >>>>> and the basic flaw is back with a vengeance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The basic flaw was hardly ever a problem
>> >>
>> >>> It just *prevented* the type being FAA approved
>> >>>
>> >> Like hell it did.
>> >
>> > ** Course it did.
>> >
>> >>> But then the * basic flaw* will do the same job instead.
>> >
>> >> Bullshit it will now that its been redone, fuckwit.
>> >
>> > ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Nothing was done about where the giant engines are fitted nor can be
>> > done.
>> >
>> Despite the design flaw the MAX can still be flown manually.

> But not safely

Bullshit.

>> If there is a problem with MCAS after the fix the pilots will know how
>> to deal with it whereas before they had little or no training on MCAS,
>> the aircraft might be more difficult to handle but it can still fly
>> safely manually.

> with MCAS out, the POS MAX has a strong tendency
> to pitch up and stall at the worst possible moment.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Your trademark.

> During climb out

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Your trademark.

> or any sudden climb due to wind or storm or crash avoidance.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Your trademark.

> Or plain disoriented pilot error.

That’s why it has MCAS that works fine now, fuckwit.

> Or a dozen other things.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Your trademark.

> MCAS will die in the arse if there is a major electrical failure.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Your trademark.

keithr0 wrote:
===========
> >
> >> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
> >> ever scandal * in passenger aviation history.
> >> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
> >
> Had Boeing not been so eager to match the Neo, they wouldn't have gone
> cheap and built in a single point of failure, and would have included
> MCAS in the documentation.
>

** Fact is, they would never have created the MAX at all.
The original 737 air frame had been already pushed to its limit so there was no further to go.

Then along came some fool from the military side of Boeing with a cunning fix that would save the company a massive amount of money - or else maybe put it out of business.

Management, corrupted by the influence of their McDonnel Douglass influence, went for the money.

....... Phil

On 12/10/21 6:54 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 1:41 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daryl wrote
>>
>>>>> And plenty like us who do remember which plane crashed twice
>>>>> realise that the problem has been fixed and won't happen again.
>>
>>> That is not a  " realise"  that is a pious hope.
>>
>> Nope, there wont be any more crashes due to that issue, you watch.
>>
>> Neither Boeing nor the FAA are actually that stupid.
>>
>>> The two 737MAX crashes were the * biggest
>>> ever scandal *  in passenger aviation history.
>>
>>> Clear criminal behavior by Boeing staff was at the core.
>>
>> Irrelevant to whether we will see anymore of the MAXs crash for that
>> reason.
>>
>>>> Yes, after the shit hit the fan in such a big way I doubt that
>>>> Boeing or
>>>> FAA would be stupid enough to allow the Max to fly if it wasn't fixed.
>>
>>> The basic flaw in the MAX is not possible to " fix "
>>
>> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Of course its possible to
>> fix using just a single sensor and to train the pilots in how to override
>> the MCAS if it does fuck up again.
>
> The basic problem is the fucked up aerodynamics, MCAS was a workaround,
> now there are workarounds to that workaround.
>
> Had Boeing not been so eager to match the Neo, they wouldn't have gone
> cheap and built in a single point of failure, and would have included
> MCAS in the documentation.
>
> I've worked on a lot of high reliability systems and the mantra has
> always been no single points of failure *EVER*. That goes doubly or more
> with systems where people die when there are failures.

All correct but I've never seen or heard anything that says that a 737
Max can't be flown manually safely with the MCAS disabled, the main
reasons for the 2 crashes was faulty single senors plus the pilots
weren't trained on MCAS and didn't know what it was let alone how to
disable it in the event of a problem.
Knowing what they know now plus with the additional sensors and revised
software its highly unlikely that the situations that caused those 2
crashes would reoccur.
I agree that Boeing should be held criminally liable for their failures
but that's a different issue to the state of the Max now.

--
Daryl