"News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:s6r1qg$9tv$3@dont-email.me...
> On Tue, 04 May 2021 11:10:07 +1000, Max scribed:
>
>> On 3/05/2021 7:22 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:s6o6go$86p$21@dont-email.me...
>>>> On Mon, 03 May 2021 15:33:16 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/05/2021 1:13 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Yosemite Sam" <felix@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:if97c8F3d1oU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the
>>>>>>>> product list and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line
>>>>>>>> up. Shades of the experience of dealing with MSY.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
>>>>>>>> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over
>>>>>>>> powered for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to
>>>>>>>> kill two systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an
>>>>>>>> electrician in to replace. the GPO surge proASUS GeForce GT 710
> 1GBtectors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best I know are https://scorptec.com.au and
>>>>>>> https://cplonline.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've used https://www.mwave.com.au quite a bit, no problems.
>>>>> good to know
>>>
>>>> IME, mwave keeps coming up as having stuff in stock but when I go to
>>>> order, it doesn't event exist in its product line.
>>>
>>> Never had that with anything I have bought from them and I have bought
>>> more from them than anyone else.
>>>
>>>> They must specialise in salting the web crawlers.
>>>
>>> How odd that you cant show even a single example of that.
>>>
>>> Corse this is the silly little fuckwit who claims that he has met me in
>>> person at sydney uni even tho I have never worked there or have even
>>> visited there, ever.
>
> No Wod Bot, I never said that. The wod bot that I met was on a building
> site where he had told the owner/builder he knew all about it and t
> rapidly transpired e knew SFA.

I have never been on a building site in Sydney, not even when
I was a little kid in early primary school. I was into rampaging
around in the bush in Lane Cove and shoving logs around in
the harbor in Northbridge in those days.

>> Probably a different Rod Speed.

> Hard to believe that they are all the same
> clueless, obnoxious, arsehole then.

There is no all, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

On 4/05/2021 11:28 am, Rod Speed wrote:

> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.

Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous, other
payment method aren't.

On 4/05/2021 4:34 pm, Petzl wrote:

>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>
> In Campbelltown, 2560 NSW, they just sell broken crap they couldn't
> sell in their real stores (at other suburbs).
> At inflated ridiculous prices,
> Online shopping rightly helps destroy these bastards!
>

If you live in Campbelltown, you deserve all you get :)

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,

Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.

> other payment method aren't.

On Wed, 5 May 2021 08:44:53 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 4/05/2021 4:34 pm, Petzl wrote:
>
>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>
>> In Campbelltown, 2560 NSW, they just sell broken crap they couldn't
>> sell in their real stores (at other suburbs).
>> At inflated ridiculous prices,
>> Online shopping rightly helps destroy these bastards!
>>
>
>If you live in Campbelltown, you deserve all you get :)

:-))
Great neighbours, good friends though, just lousy run shop businesses
--
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Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>
>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>
> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.

And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.

>> other payment method aren't.

On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>
>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>
>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.

Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how you
spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.

> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.

Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.

>>> other payment method aren't.
>

On Wed, 05 May 2021 08:44:53 +1000, keithr0 scribed:

> On 4/05/2021 4:34 pm, Petzl wrote:
>
>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>
>> In Campbelltown, 2560 NSW, they just sell broken crap they couldn't
>> sell in their real stores (at other suburbs).
>> At inflated ridiculous prices,
>> Online shopping rightly helps destroy these bastards!
>>
>>
> If you live in Campbelltown, you deserve all you get :)

He shops at Hardly Normal, JB LowFi, The Bad Guys and bingles Low.

"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
news:ifel7kF56qtU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>
>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>
>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>
> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how you
> spent it.

Bullshit when they can tie someone spending x on some illegal
activity at a checkout with a camera with who withdraw money
before that at an atm with the photos matching.

> Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not being
> inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.

That doesn’t happen with stuff that I pay for using apple
pay because apple doesn’t tell anyone what I bought.

>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.

> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.

But that isnt likely to be the main source of your
income and gumtree tells everyone what you have
sold and bought anyway, even if you pay using cash.

>>>> other payment method aren't.

On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:

> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>
>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>
>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>
> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how you
> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>
>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>
> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.

When a 'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes you to get to
the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.

"News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>
>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>
>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how you
>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>
>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>
>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>
> When a 'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.

It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.

I bought my new car with my debit card. The dealer principal
was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
that it wouldn’t cost him anything.

Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
who can accept a card payment can accept it.

And PayID is instant too.

On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the product list
> and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line up. Shades of the
> experience of dealing with MSY.
>
> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over powered
> for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>
> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to kill two
> systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an electrician in to
> replace. the GPO surge protectors.
>
> T.I.A.
>

**So-called 'surge protectors' are pretty much a waste of money. Use a
top quality UPS and you will be better off. A bit.

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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>
>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>
>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how you
>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>
>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>
>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>
>> When a 'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>
> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>
> I bought my new car with my debit card. The dealer principal
> was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
> that it wouldn’t cost him anything.
>
> Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
> don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
> in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
> who can accept a card payment can accept it.
>
> And PayID is instant too.

Yeah, that fuckwit has never had a fucking clue.

On 4/05/2021 11:28 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
> news:dup09gdk4pmf4l7cfbfb9fh9sd0bmpeb6k@4ax.com...
>
>
>> Also, they take cash!
>
> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.

don't tell that to pensioners who do odd jobs for their neighbours.
better not tell businesses or tradies, etc., who give discounts for cash
either.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/05/2021 8:42 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 4/05/2021 11:28 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>
> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous, other
> payment method aren't.

which is why some tradies want cash. no gst.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/05/2021 8:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>
>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>
>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how
>>> you
>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>
>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>
>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>
>> When a  'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>
> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>
> I bought my new car

what car?

> with my debit card. The dealer principal
> was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
> that it wouldn’t cost him anything.
>
> Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
> don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
> in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
> who can accept a card payment can accept it.
>
> And PayID is instant too.

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/5/21 8:44 am, Joey wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iff8viF8rjgU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>
>>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>>
>>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how
>>>> you
>>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>>
>>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>>
>>> When a  'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>>
>> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>>
>> I bought my new car with my debit card. The dealer principal
>> was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
>> that it wouldn’t cost him anything.
>>
>> Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
>> don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
>> in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
>> who can accept a card payment can accept it.
>>
>> And PayID is instant too.
>
> Yeah, that fuckwit has never had a fucking clue.

Yet another alias Rod? Seriously?

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"Yosemite Sam" <felix@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:ifjf3vF3bebU3@mid.individual.net...
> On 5/05/2021 8:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>
>>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>>
>>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how
>>>> you
>>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>>
>>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>>
>>> When a 'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>>
>> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>>
>> I bought my new car

> what car?

Hyundai Getz in 2006

>> with my debit card. The dealer principal
>> was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
>> that it wouldn’t cost him anything.
>>
>> Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
>> don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
>> in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
>> who can accept a card payment can accept it.
>>
>> And PayID is instant too.

"Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:ifji1tF3v6eU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 7/5/21 8:44 am, Joey wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:iff8viF8rjgU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how
>>>>> you
>>>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>>>
>>>> When a 'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>>>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>>>
>>> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> I bought my new car with my debit card. The dealer principal
>>> was a bit surprised but was quite happy with it when he realised
>>> that it wouldn’t cost him anything.
>>>
>>> Much easier now with apple pay and google pay. You
>>> don’t even have to fart around with a short term increase
>>> in the daily transaction limit with apple pay and anyone
>>> who can accept a card payment can accept it.
>>>
>>> And PayID is instant too.
>>
>> Yeah, that fuckwit has never had a fucking clue.
>
> Yet another alias Rod? Seriously?

So fucking stupid you cant even manage to work out why.

On Thu, 06 May 2021 15:27:47 +1000, Trevor Wilson scribed:

> On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the product
>> list and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line up. Shades of
>> the experience of dealing with MSY.
>>
>> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
>> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over powered
>> for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to kill
>> two systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an electrician in
>> to replace. the GPO surge protectors.
>>
>> T.I.A.
>>
>>
> **So-called 'surge protectors' are pretty much a waste of money. Use a
> top quality UPS and you will be better off. A bit.

I had four(yes, I know you only need one) fitted to the SOHO circuit and
I haven't had a problem for 30 years until recently. It seems these HPM(?)
devices have all worn out.

The problem with the UPS idea is cost. $3000 to protect a free old
computer is a bit much $$$$. Plus I'd need eight all up. Replacing my
DLT-IV backup drives would be a better investment for recovering from
such events. Five of the computers can be replaced for <$800 (based on
recent order for two such).
The other point is my experience with UPSs is that they have a major
maintenance cost in batteries. Most recent example is the NBN boxen which
chews out a 12V7Amphour SLA battery every year.

That said, I am currently looking at a green house with a top angled at a
good angle and good orientation for midday sun. I am considering
transferring my five solar panels and regulators, from camping trailer,
to there along with some new large wet cells as a 'battery. and directly
powering the systems from there.

At one stage, there was a mob called minibox.com produced power plugs for
PCs to run off directly 12V systems.

Ideally, battery top-up, if needed, might be by charging at off-peak.
rates.

On 7/05/2021 3:07 pm, News 2021 wrote:
> On Thu, 06 May 2021 15:27:47 +1000, Trevor Wilson scribed:
>
>> On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the product
>>> list and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line up. Shades of
>>> the experience of dealing with MSY.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
>>> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over powered
>>> for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to kill
>>> two systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an electrician in
>>> to replace. the GPO surge protectors.
>>>
>>> T.I.A.
>>>
>>>
>> **So-called 'surge protectors' are pretty much a waste of money. Use a
>> top quality UPS and you will be better off. A bit.
>
> I had four(yes, I know you only need one) fitted to the SOHO circuit and
> I haven't had a problem for 30 years until recently. It seems these HPM(?)
> devices have all worn out.
>
> The problem with the UPS idea is cost. $3000 to protect a free old
> computer is a bit much $$$$. Plus I'd need eight all up. Replacing my
> DLT-IV backup drives would be a better investment for recovering from
> such events. Five of the computers can be replaced for <$800 (based on
> recent order for two such).
>
> The other point is my experience with UPSs is that they have a major
> maintenance cost in batteries. Most recent example is the NBN boxen which
> chews out a 12V7Amphour SLA battery every year.
>
> That said, I am currently looking at a green house with a top angled at a
> good angle and good orientation for midday sun. I am considering
> transferring my five solar panels and regulators, from camping trailer,
> to there along with some new large wet cells as a 'battery. and directly
> powering the systems from there.
>
> At one stage, there was a mob called minibox.com produced power plugs for
> PCs to run off directly 12V systems.
>
> Ideally, battery top-up, if needed, might be by charging at off-peak.
> rates.
>
>

**That sounds like a better idea. Here's the problem with surge
'protectors' (I used inverted commas, because they do jack shit): A
lightning strike can hit the ground and instantly turn soil into a
glass-like solid. That is an immense amount of energy. If you imagine
the dinky little MOVs inside surge 'protectors' can deal with that kind
of energy, then you're dreaming. Also, most desktop PC power supplies
already incorporate MOVs into their design. They MIGHT help, a bit,
against minor spikes in the mains, but that's about it.

[Anecdote] On the 23rd December 2018 lightning hit a large tree in my
front yard. A minute portion of that strike (likely a 'tracer') hit one
of the in-coming phases (I have two) to my home. The 70 Amp fuses blew
on the electricity supplier's side blew, on the those old style,
bakelite electricity meters was destroyed (when I opened the fuse box,
if fell to my feet in a dozen or so pieces). After I paid a Grand (it
was two days before Christmas) to have the fuses replaced by a level 2
electrician and the meter by-passed, I started locating all the stuff in
my home that had been destroyed:

* My two month old HP laptop (which was plugged into a useless surge
protector).
* My bedroom TV.
* My electric garage door opener.
* My landline 'phone.
* My Telstra Gen 2 modem/router.
* My 100/1000 router.
* My HP enterprise Colour laser printer/copier.
* Some other stuff.

My insurance company was magnificent. Everything was sorted within a
couple of weeks. Shannons. Use them.

Moral: You can't protect your gear against a lightning strike. Other
surges are minor and should be dealt with by regular power supplies in
equipment.

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On 5/05/2021 3:35 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ifel7kF56qtU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>
>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not how
>> you spent it.
>
> Bullshit when they can tie someone spending x on some illegal
> activity at a checkout with a camera with who withdraw money
> before that at an atm with the photos matching.

Who said anything about doing anything illegal?

>> Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not being
>> inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>
> That doesn’t happen with stuff that I pay for using apple
> pay because apple doesn’t tell anyone what I bought.

You just need to sell your soul to Apple.

>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>
>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>
> But that isnt likely to be the main source of your
> income and gumtree tells everyone what you have
> sold and bought anyway, even if you pay using cash.
>
>>>>> other payment method aren't.
>
>

On 7/05/2021 12:45 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Yosemite Sam" <felix@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:ifjf3vF3bebU3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 5/05/2021 8:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "News 2021" <news21@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:s6tat9$50p$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On Wed, 05 May 2021 14:28:33 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/05/2021 9:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ife3njF259tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only a fool farts around with cash anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends how much you value your privacy, cash is anonymous,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit is with ATMs with security cameras and checkouts as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atm cameras are irrelevant, they only show that you got cash not
>>>>> how you
>>>>> spent it. Anyway is not evading the authorities that counts, it's not
>>>>> being inundated with adverts based on what you spend your money on.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And only drug dealers pay their runners in cash and drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gumtree buyers usually pay cash too.
>>>>
>>>> When a  'bank cheque' can be cancelled in the time it takes
>>>> you to get to the bank to deposit it, cash is highly preferable.
>>>
>>> It isnt the only alternative to cash, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> I bought my new car
>
>> what car?
>
> Hyundai Getz in 2006

ROFL you should have been able to buy one of those out of petty cash.

On 7/05/2021 4:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 7/05/2021 3:07 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 May 2021 15:27:47 +1000, Trevor Wilson scribed:
>>
>>> On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the product
>>>> list and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line up. Shades of
>>>> the experience of dealing with MSY.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
>>>> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over powered
>>>> for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to kill
>>>> two systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an electrician in
>>>> to replace. the GPO surge protectors.
>>>>
>>>> T.I.A.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> **So-called 'surge protectors' are pretty much a waste of money. Use a
>>> top quality UPS and you will be better off. A bit.
>>
>> I had four(yes, I know you only need one) fitted to the SOHO circuit and
>> I haven't had a problem for 30 years until recently. It seems these
>> HPM(?)
>> devices have all worn out.
>>
>> The problem with the UPS idea is cost. $3000 to protect a free old
>> computer  is a bit much $$$$. Plus I'd need eight all up. Replacing my
>> DLT-IV backup drives would be a better investment for recovering from
>> such events. Five of the computers can be replaced for <$800 (based on
>> recent order for two such).
>> The other point is my experience with UPSs is that they have a major
>> maintenance cost in batteries. Most recent example is the NBN boxen which
>> chews out a 12V7Amphour SLA battery every year.
>>
>> That said, I am currently looking at a green house with a top angled at a
>> good angle and good orientation for midday sun. I am considering
>> transferring my five solar panels and regulators, from camping trailer,
>> to there along with some new large wet cells as a 'battery. and directly
>> powering the systems from there.
>>
>> At one stage, there was a mob called minibox.com produced power plugs for
>> PCs to run off directly 12V systems.
>>
>> Ideally, battery top-up, if needed, might be by charging at off-peak.
>> rates.
>>
>>
>
> **That sounds like a better idea. Here's the problem with surge
> 'protectors' (I used inverted commas, because they do jack shit): A
> lightning strike can hit the ground and instantly turn soil into a
> glass-like solid. That is an immense amount of energy. If you imagine
> the dinky little MOVs inside surge 'protectors' can deal with that kind
> of energy, then you're dreaming. Also, most desktop PC power supplies
> already incorporate MOVs into their design. They MIGHT help, a bit,
> against minor spikes in the mains, but that's about it.
>
> [Anecdote] On the 23rd December 2018 lightning hit a large tree in my
> front yard. A minute portion of that strike (likely a 'tracer') hit one
> of the in-coming phases (I have two) to my home. The 70 Amp fuses blew
> on the electricity supplier's side blew, on the those old style,
> bakelite electricity meters was destroyed (when I opened the fuse box,
> if fell to my feet in a dozen or so pieces). After I paid a Grand (it
> was two days before Christmas) to have the fuses replaced by a level 2
> electrician and the meter by-passed, I started locating all the stuff in
> my home that had been destroyed:
>
> * My two month old HP laptop (which was plugged into a useless surge
> protector).
> * My bedroom TV.
> * My electric garage door opener.
> * My landline 'phone.
> * My Telstra Gen 2 modem/router.
> * My 100/1000 router.
> * My HP enterprise Colour laser printer/copier.
> * Some other stuff.
>
> My insurance company was magnificent. Everything was sorted within a
> couple of weeks. Shannons. Use them.
>
> Moral: You can't protect your gear against a lightning strike. Other
> surges are minor and should be dealt with by regular power supplies in
> equipment.
>
I've found the best protection is a bloody big transformer with lots of
iron in it, but that's not particularly practical in the home environment.

When I was working for Fujitsu, a guy sent in a fax for repair. His
telephone line had been hit by lightning. Opening it up, it was obvious
that the whole thing had been fried, so I rang him and said that the
cost of repair would be more than the cost of a new unit. He then went
ape, reckoning that he had bought the unit because it was supposed to be
reliable. I don't know what some people expect, I'm just glad that I
didn't have to deal with the public for most of my career.

On 7/05/2021 4:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/05/2021 4:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 7/05/2021 3:07 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 May 2021 15:27:47 +1000, Trevor Wilson scribed:
>>>
>>>> On 28/04/2021 8:33 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>> Normally I use PC Case gear in Melbourne, but reviewing the product
>>>>> list and they have holes and mismatches in their AMD line up.
>>>>> Shades of
>>>>> the experience of dealing with MSY.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for bottom end AMD 2000 mobo & cpu with realtek NICs.
>>>>> These are just for three headless servers. They'll be way over powered
>>>>> for the load they'll carry, but that is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, the last blackout and bouncing return managed to kill
>>>>> two systems, so I need to get more systems in and get an
>>>>> electrician in
>>>>> to replace. the GPO surge protectors.
>>>>>
>>>>> T.I.A.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> **So-called 'surge protectors' are pretty much a waste of money. Use a
>>>> top quality UPS and you will be better off. A bit.
>>>
>>> I had four(yes, I know you only need one) fitted to the SOHO circuit and
>>> I haven't had a problem for 30 years until recently. It seems these
>>> HPM(?)
>>> devices have all worn out.
>>>
>>> The problem with the UPS idea is cost. $3000 to protect a free old
>>> computer  is a bit much $$$$. Plus I'd need eight all up. Replacing my
>>> DLT-IV backup drives would be a better investment for recovering from
>>> such events. Five of the computers can be replaced for <$800 (based on
>>> recent order for two such).
>>> The other point is my experience with UPSs is that they have a major
>>> maintenance cost in batteries. Most recent example is the NBN boxen
>>> which
>>> chews out a 12V7Amphour SLA battery every year.
>>>
>>> That said, I am currently looking at a green house with a top angled
>>> at a
>>> good angle and good orientation for midday sun. I am considering
>>> transferring my five solar panels and regulators, from camping trailer,
>>> to there along with some new large wet cells as a 'battery. and directly
>>> powering the systems from there.
>>>
>>> At one stage, there was a mob called minibox.com produced power plugs
>>> for
>>> PCs to run off directly 12V systems.
>>>
>>> Ideally, battery top-up, if needed, might be by charging at off-peak.
>>> rates.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **That sounds like a better idea. Here's the problem with surge
>> 'protectors' (I used inverted commas, because they do jack shit): A
>> lightning strike can hit the ground and instantly turn soil into a
>> glass-like solid. That is an immense amount of energy. If you imagine
>> the dinky little MOVs inside surge 'protectors' can deal with that
>> kind of energy, then you're dreaming. Also, most desktop PC power
>> supplies already incorporate MOVs into their design. They MIGHT help,
>> a bit, against minor spikes in the mains, but that's about it.
>>
>> [Anecdote] On the 23rd December 2018 lightning hit a large tree in my
>> front yard. A minute portion of that strike (likely a 'tracer') hit
>> one of the in-coming phases (I have two) to my home. The 70 Amp fuses
>> blew on the electricity supplier's side blew, on the those old style,
>> bakelite electricity meters was destroyed (when I opened the fuse box,
>> if fell to my feet in a dozen or so pieces). After I paid a Grand (it
>> was two days before Christmas) to have the fuses replaced by a level 2
>> electrician and the meter by-passed, I started locating all the stuff
>> in my home that had been destroyed:
>>
>> * My two month old HP laptop (which was plugged into a useless surge
>> protector).
>> * My bedroom TV.
>> * My electric garage door opener.
>> * My landline 'phone.
>> * My Telstra Gen 2 modem/router.
>> * My 100/1000 router.
>> * My HP enterprise Colour laser printer/copier.
>> * Some other stuff.
>>
>> My insurance company was magnificent. Everything was sorted within a
>> couple of weeks. Shannons. Use them.
>>
>> Moral: You can't protect your gear against a lightning strike. Other
>> surges are minor and should be dealt with by regular power supplies in
>> equipment.
>>
> I've found the best protection is a bloody big transformer with lots of
> iron in it, but that's not particularly practical in the home environment.

**Agreed. I service a brand of amplifier that once used MEL12 optical
transistors as part of the control system. Several models used a 10VA
transformer in the control system. Nearby lightning strikes would always
nuke the MEL12 (and almost nothing else). The larger models used 50VA
auxiliary transformers and the MEL12 almost never got killed. You can't
beat big lumps of iron and copper. The bigger the better. And NOT
toroidals. EI is always best for protection.

>
> When I was working for Fujitsu, a guy sent in a fax for repair. His
> telephone line had been hit by lightning. Opening it up, it was obvious
> that the whole thing had been fried, so I rang him and said that the
> cost of repair would be more than the cost of a new unit. He then went
> ape, reckoning that he had bought the unit because it was supposed to be
> reliable. I don't know what some people expect, I'm just glad that I
> didn't have to deal with the public for most of my career.

**You're lucky.

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