On 18/03/2022 20:25, Turby wrote:
> I'm thinking of a new bike, but what should I get?
> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something comfortable
> and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I stopped by 2
> shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A Ducati Multistrada
> and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same >$22k. The Zero is
> not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180 miles between charges,
> but it would be a statement about climate change. The Multistrada would
> be a very fun bike, and capable of long distance trips. I was a bit
> surprised to learn the sport-touring market has been almost wiped out by
> the adventure bike market. harumpf. But I could see getting a BMW GS,
> maybe. I dunno. Any ideas?
>
>

Ducati Multistrada V2S rather than the loopy one and a Honda Navi (if
you can get hold of one)

--
Gyp

On 20/03/2022 17:00, Gyp wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 20:25, Turby wrote:
>> I'm thinking of a new bike, but what should I get?
>> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something
>> comfortable and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I
>> stopped by 2 shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A
>> Ducati Multistrada and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same
>> >$22k. The Zero is not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180
>> miles between charges, but it would be a statement about climate
>> change. The Multistrada would be a very fun bike, and capable of long
>> distance trips. I was a bit surprised to learn the sport-touring
>> market has been almost wiped out by the adventure bike market.
>> harumpf. But I could see getting a BMW GS, maybe. I dunno. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>
> Ducati Multistrada V2S rather than the loopy one and a Honda Navi (if
> you can get hold of one)
>
>

Grom's better than a Navi, 15 more CCs!

--
/Simon

siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 20/03/2022 17:00, Gyp wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 20:25, Turby wrote:
>>> I'm thinking of a new bike, but what should I get?
>>> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something
>>> comfortable and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I
>>> stopped by 2 shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A
>>> Ducati Multistrada and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same
>>> >$22k. The Zero is not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180
>>> miles between charges, but it would be a statement about climate
>>> change. The Multistrada would be a very fun bike, and capable of long
>>> distance trips. I was a bit surprised to learn the sport-touring
>>> market has been almost wiped out by the adventure bike market.
>>> harumpf. But I could see getting a BMW GS, maybe. I dunno. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ducati Multistrada V2S rather than the loopy one and a Honda Navi (if
>> you can get hold of one)
>>
>>
>
> Grom's better than a Navi, 15 more CCs!

Monkey 125 or Trail 125.

Turby would just look like a twat on a Grom.

--
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On 21/03/2022 04:51, Mark Olson wrote:

>
> Monkey 125 or Trail 125.
>
> Turby would just look like a twat on a Grom.

Shhh!

--
Gyp

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/19/2022 8:54 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:36:50 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>>> Yebbut, the classic sport-tourers like my FJR, the Honda STs, etc, are
>>> gone. Not made any more.
>>
>> They were never sports-tourers either, except perhaps in the minds of
>> American marketing bods who think that anything less lardy than a
>> full-on Hardly or Goldwing is verging on 'sports'.

>I don't know about your world, but to me, a sport-tourer is a bike you
>can ride all day, day after day, and still have fun in the twisties.

It's not about "having fun", which can be achievable on almost
anything, but being suitable to ride in a sporty fashion, i.e. fast.
Some great examples, albeit from a decade or two ago, include the
VFR750/800, the Triumps Sprint ST and the Ducati ST2/4. On an
enthusiatic ride-out with other people on full-on sports bikes, any of
those would be able to keep up (obviously rider-dependent) whereas the
ones you mention most certainly would not.

>It must come with hard panniers and be relatively nimble.

Relative to what though? I'd argue that it has to be relative to a
proper sports bike to deserve the name, just as its touring
capabilities need to be comparable with those of a full-on tourer.

>That leaves out
>all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle

Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.

--
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http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That leaves out
>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>
> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>
Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby wrote:
> Ace wrote:
> > Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That leaves out
> >> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
> >
> > Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
> >
> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?

I can't see why not. 10k miles over how many days? I did a couple of thousand miles (Brno and back the scenic way) on a GSXR1000 in a week, and could happily have done more if the trip had been longer.

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:t1a6ci$lq9$1@dont-email.me:

> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That leaves out
>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the
>>> saddle
>>
>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>
> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>

in what timescale?

many people ride 500+ miles a day on a GSXR1000

I think what we have to agree is that there is a cultural difference and
bikes considered "pipe & slippers" touring bikes in Europe are
considered to be more sporty in the USA.

over here, we consider the BMW R1250RT, Honda ST1300 and FJR1300 as full
on tourers, largely due to their bulk

for us, a sport tourer was spawned by the RS versions of the BMW boxer
engine, currently the R1250RS and the VF, then VFR 750 (Interceptor in
US).

This bit of nostalgia reminds me that Honda has finally introduced a
half decent sport touring bike, the NT1100
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/touring/nt1100/overview.html

It's built to compete in the 12,000 quid range so the Yamaha Tracer 900
and Kawasaki Ninja 1000.

The NT1100 might be right up your street if you are happy with 100hp

On 19/03/2022 00:36, Turby wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 4:04 PM, ogden wrote:
>> Turby wrote:
>>> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something comfortable
>>> and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I stopped by 2
>>> shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A Ducati Multistrada
>>> and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same >$22k. The Zero is
>>> not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180 miles between charges,
>>> but it would be a statement about climate change. The Multistrada would
>>> be a very fun bike, and capable of long distance trips.
>>
>> So what do you really want to do with it? Grocery runs? Save the
>> planet? Cross continents? Hoon along well-surfaced roads? Hack along
>> gravel tracks? Pick a purpose.
>
> If I get the Zero, it'll ease my climate conscience, but I'd need to get
> another bike to tour on. (Or learn to stop for a couple of hours every
> 100 miles. yuk.) I know having more than one bike in the garage is

That is what we do anyway.
What is annoying is the long wait to "fill up" (I imagine)
--
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"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
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On 19/03/2022 05:12, Turby wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 5:52 PM, crn@nospam.com wrote:
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I get the Zero, it'll ease my climate conscience, but I'd need to get
>>> another bike to tour on. (Or learn to stop for a couple of hours every
>>> 100 miles. yuk.) I know having more than one bike in the garage is
>>> pretty standard for UKRMers, but it'd be a major change for me.
>>> I've never been much of a dirt rider, but my GS in Europe just doesn't
>>> care about road surfaces. With the right tyres, I think the Ducati could
>>> be similar.
>>
>> Cheap scoot with a top box and room under the seat for a shopping trolly
>> plus a sports tourer fror the long distance stuff.
>> Horses for courses.
>>
> Cheap scoot? I beg your pardon. I do have to maintain _some_ respect in
> this town.
>
>

Some?
Where did you find that?

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 3/21/2022 8:59 AM, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:t1a6ci$lq9$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That leaves out
>>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the
>>>> saddle
>>>
>>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>>
>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>>
>
> in what timescale?
>
> many people ride 500+ miles a day on a GSXR1000

24 years ago, I did 1642 miles in 24 hours on my ST1100. I could have
done it again the next day, as comfy as the bike was. After that, I did
a 4 Corners Tour (~10k miles) in 22 days. At the time, the ST11 was
almost sporty, but now seems really weak.
>
> I think what we have to agree is that there is a cultural difference and
> bikes considered "pipe & slippers" touring bikes in Europe are
> considered to be more sporty in the USA.
>
> over here, we consider the BMW R1250RT, Honda ST1300 and FJR1300 as full
> on tourers, largely due to their bulk
>
On this UK used bike site, 10 FJRs are called Sport-tourers, 7 tourers:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/yamaha/fjr1300?refresh=true

> for us, a sport tourer was spawned by the RS versions of the BMW boxer
> engine, currently the R1250RS and the VF, then VFR 750 (Interceptor in
> US).
>
> This bit of nostalgia reminds me that Honda has finally introduced a
> half decent sport touring bike, the NT1100
> https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/touring/nt1100/overview.html
>
> It's built to compete in the 12,000 quid range so the Yamaha Tracer 900
> and Kawasaki Ninja 1000.
>
> The NT1100 might be right up your street if you are happy with 100hp

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 3/20/2022 9:51 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>
> Turby would just look like a twat on a Grom.
>
A what? (Googles) Jeezus. I do have _some_ taste.
And my knees would prolly hit the handlebars.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:42:10 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That leaves out
>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>>
>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>
>Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?

https://www.conti-bike.co.uk/around-the-world-in-19-days/
--
Mark Roberts

On 3/21/2022 9:19 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 19/03/2022 05:12, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/18/2022 5:52 PM, crn@nospam.com wrote:
>>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If I get the Zero, it'll ease my climate conscience, but I'd need to
>>>> get
>>>> another bike to tour on. (Or learn to stop for a couple of hours every
>>>> 100 miles. yuk.) I know having more than one bike in the garage is
>>>> pretty standard for UKRMers, but it'd be a major change for me.
>>>> I've never been much of a dirt rider, but my GS in Europe just doesn't
>>>> care about road surfaces. With the right tyres, I think the Ducati
>>>> could
>>>> be similar.
>>>
>>> Cheap scoot with a top box and room under the seat for a shopping trolly
>>> plus a sports tourer fror the long distance stuff.
>>> Horses for courses.
>>>
>> Cheap scoot? I beg your pardon. I do have to maintain _some_ respect
>> in this town.
>>
>>
>
> Some?
> Where did you find that?
>
>
I could tell you, but then I'd have to

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 3/21/2022 1:18 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:42:10 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That leaves out
>>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>>>
>>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>>
>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>
> https://www.conti-bike.co.uk/around-the-world-in-19-days/

I took this New Years, 1979 in the Sahara. But those guys had support crews.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/turbster/46237895624/in/album-72157706433540354/

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 3/21/2022 9:18 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 19/03/2022 00:36, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/18/2022 4:04 PM, ogden wrote:
>>> Turby wrote:
>>>> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something
>>>> comfortable
>>>> and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I stopped by 2
>>>> shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A Ducati
>>>> Multistrada
>>>> and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same >$22k. The Zero is
>>>> not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180 miles between charges,
>>>> but it would be a statement about climate change. The Multistrada would
>>>> be a very fun bike, and capable of long distance trips.
>>>
>>> So what do you really want to do with it? Grocery runs? Save the
>>> planet? Cross continents? Hoon along well-surfaced roads? Hack along
>>> gravel tracks? Pick a purpose.
>>
>> If I get the Zero, it'll ease my climate conscience, but I'd need to
>> get another bike to tour on. (Or learn to stop for a couple of hours
>> every 100 miles. yuk.) I know having more than one bike in the garage is
>
> That is what we do anyway.
> What is annoying is the long wait to "fill up" (I imagine)

It rarely takes me more than 5 minutes to fill with petrol. Amps...

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 21/03/2022 15:42, Turby wrote:
> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That leaves out
>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>>
>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>
> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?

Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on an R1.

On 19/03/2022 07:16, sweller wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of a new bike, but what should I get?
>
> I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.
>
> It's alright.

On the night?

On 21/03/2022 23:17, Turby wrote:
> On 3/21/2022 9:18 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 19/03/2022 00:36, Turby wrote:
>>> On 3/18/2022 4:04 PM, ogden wrote:
>>>> Turby wrote:
>>>>> My FJR is 9 years old and has a few issues. I want something
>>>>> comfortable
>>>>> and will carry all my groceries from my weekly shopping. I stopped
>>>>> by 2
>>>>> shops today and sat on 2 bikes that may do the job. A Ducati
>>>>> Multistrada
>>>>> and a Zero electric. They both cost about the same >$22k. The Zero is
>>>>> not a tourer, as it only has a range of 90-180 miles between charges,
>>>>> but it would be a statement about climate change. The Multistrada
>>>>> would
>>>>> be a very fun bike, and capable of long distance trips.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you really want to do with it? Grocery runs? Save the
>>>> planet? Cross continents? Hoon along well-surfaced roads? Hack along
>>>> gravel tracks? Pick a purpose.
>>>
>>> If I get the Zero, it'll ease my climate conscience, but I'd need to
>>> get another bike to tour on. (Or learn to stop for a couple of hours
>>> every 100 miles. yuk.) I know having more than one bike in the garage is
>>
>> That is what we do anyway.
>> What is annoying is the long wait to "fill up" (I imagine)
>
> It rarely takes me more than 5 minutes to fill with petrol. Amps...
>
>

On one rare occasion I timed a full fill (XJ900F), walk to desk, walk
back, remount and go. - 8 mins.

Not timed a contactless one.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 00:03:06 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:

> On one rare occasion I timed a full fill (XJ900F), walk to desk, walk
> back, remount and go. - 8 mins.
>
> Not timed a contactless one.

I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
Gdynia- I didn't believe it would take the ten hours Google and
Garmin suggested.

Plus on the way I went past Kutna Hora and couldn't resist
stopping to look at the bones in the weird ossuary.

So I ended up with about 500 miles to do in 8 hours and this was
ten years ago when a lot of the main Polish roads were single
carriageway (Google now suggests it would take 9 hours).

I rode like a twat and did, I think, four fuel stops with the last
three taking around five minutes. Hard, fast, sustained miles
on the XT660 weren't good for me or the bike (a lot of bolts fell
out and a few days later the rear wheel bearing collapsed).

I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.
Knackered so I paid for a cabin; €100. Ouch[1].

[1] A bit less ouch at around £1/€1.30 though.

On 3/21/2022 4:45 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 21/03/2022 15:42, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That leaves out
>>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the
>>>> saddle
>>>
>>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>>
>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>
> Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on an R1.

Here's a list of a few other long distance riders, not a lot on sport
bikes, though:
https://www.ironbutt.org/certified.htm

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/03/2022 15:42, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That leaves out
>>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>>>
>>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>>
>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>
> Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on an R1.
>

My Daytona 1200 was setup and ridden in LD rallying. It was also used to
tour in the US, visiting most of the lower 48 States and half of Canada
during 4 years of ownership in my mid-50s.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:42:10 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/21/2022 6:12 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:50:56 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That leaves out
>>> all those sport bikes that leave you in pain after 2 hours in the saddle
>>
>> Ahh, and here we see the problem. It's not the bike, it's you.
>>
>Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?

I've never done that sort of distance, but yeah, sure, why not? Did a
few trips round and across France on a GSXR1000 (K3) sometimes up to
500miles a day, no problems, comfort-wise. I couldn't do it now,
having later broken most of my upper body coming off the same bike,
but that's exactly the point - it's not that a sports bike couldn't do
the job, and with suitable soft luggage[1] it certainly did, but that
I would no longer be physically able to do so.

[1] I recall one trip where Black Mike rolled up on his brand-new K4
gixxer, with luggage stacked up to his chest level on the tank and all
the way across the rear of the seat and the top of the panniers. Me
and Neal weren't much less loaded, eother, now I look at the pictures:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107biM9NaZ9KqJBbyf_ZkTP-h0v8f7fFy
--
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Turby wrote:
> Mike Fleming wrote:
> > Turby wrote:
> >> Ace wrote:
> >>> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
> >> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
> >
> > Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on an R1.
>
> Here's a list of a few other long distance riders, not a lot on sport
> bikes, though:
> https://www.ironbutt.org/certified.htm

You asked if it could be done, not whether it was the most appropriate choice.

sleazy wrote:
> My Daytona 1200 was setup and ridden in LD rallying. It was also used to
> tour in the US, visiting most of the lower 48 States and half of Canada
> during 4 years of ownership in my mid-50s.

Did you own an oil refinery ?