On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:26:22 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>[1] I recall one trip where Black Mike rolled up on his brand-new K4
>gixxer, with luggage stacked up to his chest level on the tank and all
>the way across the rear of the seat and the top of the panniers. Me
>and Neal weren't much less loaded, eother, now I look at the pictures:
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107biM9NaZ9KqJBbyf_ZkTP-h0v8f7fFy

Happy days :-)

That was a great trip
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
>Gdynia- I didn't believe it would take the ten hours Google and
>Garmin suggested.

<looks at map>

That *is* a fair way!

>I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
>leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.

Out of interest, where were you getting the ferry to?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 19 Mar 2022 07:16:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Turby wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of a new bike, but what should I get?
>
>I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.
>
>It's alright.

Simon Hargreaves was rather taken by the one he was on the other week.

It certainly looks, erm, distinctive, but in a good way.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

Salad Dodger wrote:

> > I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.
> >
> > It's alright.
>
> Simon Hargreaves was rather taken by the one he was on the other week.

I'd read his written review after I'd bought it but had seen Adam
Childs before - does SH mention it on the podcast? (I'm a bit behind at
the moment).

I have to say I'm really impressed, even at running in revs it's quite
exciting.

Also happily sits at normal motorway cruising speeds (80ish) and turns
in 60+ mpg. Which is a good thing and feeds my obsession quite nicely.
Long service intervals too, 9,000 miles.

The suspension is pretty spot on too - easily as good as the Triumph's
WP (no great surprise as the Husqvarna has WP too).

The only real downside is a lot of the options are not yet available -
according to the sales woman Husqvarna have got the bikes out but the
options are following to be fitted later. I've paid for them too.

Some are later this month (the centre stand and, annoyingly, the top
box base) the bluetooth bits, heated seats, grips and the like
beginning of May and the tyre pressure kit in November!

The perils of getting a brand new, brand new bike.

The top box base is annoying as I need it to use it as a commuter (need
it to store my helmet at the station) so it's not racking up the miles
at the moment. I'm away with work anyway for the next couple of weeks
so the BMW gets left at the station and the Husqvarna sits in my garage.

> It certainly looks, erm, distinctive, but in a good way.

Vic thought it looked "lairy", I thought it looked a nice shade of grey.

--
Simon

On 22 Mar 2022 14:49:39 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Salad Dodger wrote:
>
>> > I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.
>> >
>> > It's alright.
>>
>> Simon Hargreaves was rather taken by the one he was on the other week.
>
>I'd read his written review after I'd bought it but had seen Adam
>Childs before - does SH mention it on the podcast? (I'm a bit behind at
>the moment).

I haven't read that yet. He turned up at a cafe on the A10 on it, when
we had a chat about old blokes and GoldWings. All Champ's fault.

You can certainly strap a lot of camera kit on the back of it.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 14:25:33 UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
> >Gdynia- I didn't believe it would take the ten hours Google and
> >Garmin suggested.
> <looks at map>
>
> That *is* a fair way!
> >I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
> >leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.
> Out of interest, where were you getting the ferry to?

Karlskrona in Sweden, so I could ride the southern
coast of Sweden and cross 'the Bridge' to Denmark before
meeting the Bonwicks in Weisenbach in Germany.

Now *that* was a big day. 772miles in 16 hours.
The bit in Sweden and Denmark was slowish. Then there
was an hour's delay for the ferry from Rodby to Puttgarten
so I ended up having 525 miles to do starting at 3pm.

Wouldn't be so bad on a sensible bike... a bit of a pain
on a single cylinder 660cc that wouldn't cruise at much
more than 90 at a push.

On 3/22/2022 5:42 AM, ogden wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>> Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> Turby wrote:
>>>> Ace wrote:
>>>>> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>>>
>>> Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on an R1.
>>
>> Here's a list of a few other long distance riders, not a lot on sport
>> bikes, though:
>> https://www.ironbutt.org/certified.htm
>
> You asked if it could be done, not whether it was the most appropriate choice.

No, I asked if Mr Fleming could do it. After he said _I_ was the
problem, not the bike.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 22/03/2022 02:41, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 00:03:06 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On one rare occasion I timed a full fill (XJ900F), walk to desk, walk
>> back, remount and go. - 8 mins.
>>
>> Not timed a contactless one.
>
> I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
> Gdynia- I didn't believe it would take the ten hours Google and
> Garmin suggested.
>
> Plus on the way I went past Kutna Hora and couldn't resist
> stopping to look at the bones in the weird ossuary.
>
> So I ended up with about 500 miles to do in 8 hours and this was
> ten years ago when a lot of the main Polish roads were single
> carriageway (Google now suggests it would take 9 hours).

Gawd, it is over 10 years since Gibbo and I went to Poland/Baltics.
And yes, the main roads have improved greatly since then.
But the back roads are still more fun :-)

>
> I rode like a twat and did, I think, four fuel stops with the last
> three taking around five minutes. Hard, fast, sustained miles
> on the XT660 weren't good for me or the bike (a lot of bolts fell
> out and a few days later the rear wheel bearing collapsed).

If I had tried hard and fast on the Peg, it would have never made it
between fuel stops (never was a low consumption bike).

But yeah, as others are saying, I don;t see myself doing 500 mile days
any more. TBH, 300-350 knackers me now! :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 22/03/2022 15:48, Turby wrote:
> On 3/22/2022 5:42 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Turby wrote:
>>> Mike Fleming wrote:
>>>> Turby wrote:
>>>>> Ace wrote:
>>>>>> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>>>>
>>>> Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on
>>>> an R1.
>>>
>>> Here's a list of a few other long distance riders, not a lot on sport
>>> bikes, though:
>>> https://www.ironbutt.org/certified.htm
>>
>> You asked if it could be done, not whether it was the most appropriate
>> choice.
>
> No, I asked if Mr Fleming could do it. After he said _I_ was the
> problem, not the bike.

Eh? Try looking back up the thread. 'Twas Ace that said that. I assumed
your "you" to mean a general "you", not a specific person. And I'm on
that certified list BTW, but only for a Saddlesore 1000 and on a Tiger.

On 3/19/2022 4:12 PM, ogden wrote:
>
>
> Buying an electric bike isn't going to undo the damage your generation did to the planet, so you might as well not bother.
>
My generation? We were first warned about climate change back in the
late 50s by Roger Revelle and his cohorts at SIO (5 miles from my home.)
He was 12 years older than my mother. Every generation since then,
including yours, has done massive damage to the environment. I agree, no
matter what we do, we aren't going to undo the damage. If we haven't
stopped making the problem worse in 60+ years, we are fucked.

But a miracle might happen. So I put solar cells on my roof some years
ago. I recycle. And an electric bike would be fun. Some day.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:57:33 AM UTC, Turby wrote:
> On 3/19/2022 4:12 PM, ogden wrote:
> >
> >
> > Buying an electric bike isn't going to undo the damage your generation did to the planet, so you might as well not bother.
> >
> My generation? We were first warned about climate change back in the
> late 50s by Roger Revelle and his cohorts at SIO (5 miles from my home.)
> He was 12 years older than my mother. Every generation since then,
> including yours, has done massive damage to the environment. I agree, no
> matter what we do, we aren't going to undo the damage. If we haven't
> stopped making the problem worse in 60+ years, we are fucked.
>
> But a miracle might happen. So I put solar cells on my roof some years
> ago. I recycle. And an electric bike would be fun. Some day.

I BBQ when I can, and have just bought a 2.5L V6 Petrol camper that was never imported into Europe because they couldn't get Type Approval on it. Go me.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
>> >Gdynia-

>> <looks at map>
>> That *is* a fair way!

>> >I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
>> >leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.
>> Out of interest, where were you getting the ferry to?
>
>Karlskrona in Sweden, so I could ride the southern
>coast of Sweden and cross 'the Bridge' to Denmark before
>meeting the Bonwicks in Weisenbach in Germany.
>
>Now *that* was a big day. 772miles in 16 hours.

<looks again>

Fuxxake, it is! When I read the above, I'd kinda assumed that it'd be
the bit of Germany next to Denmark - but Weisenbach is right down by
Strasbourg!

>Wouldn't be so bad on a sensible bike... a bit of a pain
>on a single cylinder 660cc that wouldn't cruise at much
>more than 90 at a push.

You know I've done a lot of long days on a bike - but I wouldn't want
to do a day that long on a single
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:00:01 +0000, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:

>>> > I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.

>>> Simon Hargreaves was rather taken by the one he was on the other week.

>>I'd read his written review after I'd bought it but had seen Adam
>>Childs before - does SH mention it on the podcast? (I'm a bit behind at
>>the moment).

>I haven't read that yet. He turned up at a cafe on the A10 on it, when
>we had a chat about old blokes and GoldWings. All Champ's fault.

eh? What have I done now?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> Stephen Packer <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
> >> >Gdynia-
> >> <looks at map>
> >> That *is* a fair way!
>
> >> >I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
> >> >leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.
> >> Out of interest, where were you getting the ferry to?
> >
> >Karlskrona in Sweden, so I could ride the southern
> >coast of Sweden and cross 'the Bridge' to Denmark before
> >meeting the Bonwicks in Weisenbach in Germany.
> >
> >Now *that* was a big day. 772miles in 16 hours.
> <looks again>
>
> Fuxxake, it is! When I read the above, I'd kinda assumed that it'd be
> the bit of Germany next to Denmark - but Weisenbach is right down by
> Strasbourg!

I dunno how long it took me (Google reckons about 11 hours plus stops), but Bjelovar in Croatia to Haguenau with a crippling hangover is probably the most knackering day's riding I've ever done. It wasn't so much the distance, though 1000km is a fair chunk in one day, more that I needed to make progress so I could get home for work on the Monday. After I split off from Mark and Simon in Slovenia, the only stops I made were for coffee and fuel, and I don't think I ate much more than a few squares of chocolate until I sat down for dinner in Haguenau that night.

The 500 miles from there to home the next day was a doddle in comparison.

> >Wouldn't be so bad on a sensible bike... a bit of a pain
> >on a single cylinder 660cc that wouldn't cruise at much
> >more than 90 at a push.
>
> You know I've done a lot of long days on a bike - but I wouldn't want
> to do a day that long on a single

I could cruise at 90 on the SMT easily enough (though not much more when fully loaded, without it developing a death-weave) but the higher the speed the more tiring the ride, and the bloke from Belgrade on an unfaired Z750 who tagged on to me between Villach and Munich (or thereabouts) slowed me down til I pulled over in a layby and ditched him as politely as I could.

Five countries in a day though, can't grumble about that. And it was a fucking awesome dinner, even if I was a bit too tired to appreciate it, and had to go back a couple of years later to try it again.

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 17:01:36 UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I fucked up once with 'estimating' time to get from Prague to
> >> >Gdynia-
> >> <looks at map>
> >> That *is* a fair way!
>
> >> >I got to the ferry port around the time the ferry was due to
> >> >leave and had to queue for a further twenty minutes to board.
> >> Out of interest, where were you getting the ferry to?
> >
> >Karlskrona in Sweden, so I could ride the southern
> >coast of Sweden and cross 'the Bridge' to Denmark before
> >meeting the Bonwicks in Weisenbach in Germany.
> >
> >Now *that* was a big day. 772miles in 16 hours.
> <looks again>
>
> Fuxxake, it is! When I read the above, I'd kinda assumed that it'd be
> the bit of Germany next to Denmark - but Weisenbach is right down by
> Strasbourg!
> >Wouldn't be so bad on a sensible bike... a bit of a pain
> >on a single cylinder 660cc that wouldn't cruise at much
> >more than 90 at a push.
> You know I've done a lot of long days on a bike - but I wouldn't want
> to do a day that long on a single

Having done it... I'd not really want to do it again but I'm glad I did it.

Looking at my diary my hands were numb afterwards until the following
morning (when we rode to Chimay).

On 3/22/2022 3:07 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 22/03/2022 15:48, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/22/2022 5:42 AM, ogden wrote:
>>> Turby wrote:
>>>> Mike Fleming wrote:
>>>>> Turby wrote:
>>>>>> Ace wrote:
>>>>>>> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Can you really do a 10,000 mile trip on a sport bike?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick Sanders did RTW on a Triumph Daytona 900, then a second one on
>>>>> an R1.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a list of a few other long distance riders, not a lot on sport
>>>> bikes, though:
>>>> https://www.ironbutt.org/certified.htm
>>>
>>> You asked if it could be done, not whether it was the most
>>> appropriate choice.
>>
>> No, I asked if Mr Fleming could do it. After he said _I_ was the
>> problem, not the bike.
>
> Eh? Try looking back up the thread. 'Twas Ace that said that.

Oops. You're right.

I assumed
> your "you" to mean a general "you", not a specific person. And I'm on
> that certified list BTW, but only for a Saddlesore 1000 and on a Tiger.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:03:47 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:00:01 +0000, Salad Dodger
><salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:
>
>>>> > I've just bought a Husqvarna Norden.
>
>>>> Simon Hargreaves was rather taken by the one he was on the other week.
>
>>>I'd read his written review after I'd bought it but had seen Adam
>>>Childs before - does SH mention it on the podcast? (I'm a bit behind at
>>>the moment).
>
>>I haven't read that yet. He turned up at a cafe on the A10 on it, when
>>we had a chat about old blokes and GoldWings. All Champ's fault.
>
>eh? What have I done now?

It was you who tagged me in a tweet to Simon.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:932482f0-f32e-4bbf-ad58-d0a8a64d98b9n@googlegroups.com:

> Five countries in a day though, can't grumble about that. And it was a
> fucking awesome dinner, even if I was a bit too tired to appreciate
> it, and had to go back a couple of years later to try it again.
>

it was the company that made it so good the second time

might be using that ferry over the Rhine to get to the Buhlertal after the
Dieppe trip

On 23/03/2022 00:57, Turby wrote:
> On 3/19/2022 4:12 PM, ogden wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Buying an electric bike isn't going to undo the damage your
>> generation did to the planet, so you might as well not bother.
>>
> My generation? We were first warned about climate change back in the
> late 50s by Roger Revelle and his cohorts at SIO (5 miles from my home.)
> He was 12 years older than my mother. Every generation since then,
> including yours, has done massive damage to the environment. I agree, no
> matter what we do, we aren't going to undo the damage. If we haven't
> stopped making the problem worse in 60+ years, we are fucked.
>
> But a miracle might happen. So I put solar cells on my roof some years
> ago. I recycle. And an electric bike would be fun. Some day.

I remember being at school in the '70s and the climate bête noire of the
day was that we were overdue for a mini ice age that was going to result
in a wall of ice 3 metres high covering the country down to somewhere
around Watford.

I found out much later that this was the usual deliberate
misrepresentation by the press of a climate study that was never
officially published and never peer reviewed.

If only some early social commentator had found some way to
allegorically warn the public at large about the risks of falsely
claiming an event is occurring, leading people to disregard subsequent
warnings when the actual event does happen for real.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

Sqirrel99 <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
> sleazy wrote:
>> My Daytona 1200 was setup and ridden in LD rallying. It was also used to
>> tour in the US, visiting most of the lower 48 States and half of Canada
>> during 4 years of ownership in my mid-50s.
>
> Did you own an oil refinery ?
>
>

The only thing it liked eating was crank position sensors. Had the routine
to swap them down to two hours start to finish. Carried a spare too, after
the second one failed.

Never figured the gas mileage, but loved the large fuel tank for roaming.

sleazy <none@nil.net> wrote:
> Sqirrel99 <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sleazy wrote:
>>> My Daytona 1200 was setup and ridden in LD rallying. It was also used to
>>> tour in the US, visiting most of the lower 48 States and half of Canada
>>> during 4 years of ownership in my mid-50s.
>>
>> Did you own an oil refinery ?
>>
>>
>
> The only thing it liked eating was crank position sensors. Had the routine
> to swap them down to two hours start to finish. Carried a spare too, after
> the second one failed.

I well remember assisting (FSVO) you in replacing one on a somewhat
level spot on the hillside below our cabin in Spearfish Canyon. Happy
days.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> I remember being at school in the '70s and the climate bête noire of the
> day was that we were overdue for a mini ice age that was going to result
> in a wall of ice 3 metres high covering the country down to somewhere
> around Watford.
>
> I found out much later that this was the usual deliberate
> misrepresentation by the press of a climate study that was never
> officially published and never peer reviewed.
>
> If only some early social commentator had found some way to
> allegorically warn the public at large about the risks of falsely
> claiming an event is occurring, leading people to disregard subsequent
> warnings when the actual event does happen for real.

Climate misinformation is a counter example to Hanlon's razor, though.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:13:17 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>If only some early social commentator had found some way to
>allegorically warn the public at large about the risks of falsely
>claiming an event is occurring, leading people to disregard subsequent
>warnings when the actual event does happen for real.

Something involving a child, perhaps? And maybe some dangerous
wildlife?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:52:04 +0000, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:

>>>I haven't read that yet. He turned up at a cafe on the A10 on it, when
>>>we had a chat about old blokes and GoldWings. All Champ's fault.

>>eh? What have I done now?

>It was you who tagged me in a tweet to Simon.

oh, yeah, that - of course.

I'd be interested to know more about the conversation than "old blokes
and Goldwings" :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:04:51 AM UTC-4, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:52:04 +0000, Salad Dodger
> <salad....@idnet.com> wrote:
>
> >It was you who tagged me in a tweet to Simon.
> oh, yeah, that - of course.
>
> I'd be interested to know more about the conversation than "old blokes
> and Goldwings" :-)

Dodger isn't old; I went to his 40th birthday party a couple of years ago.