On 23/02/2023 08:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I'm normally pretty good at spotting bots, and I think this was just a
> script the people worked from. I deleted the number so don't know where it
> was, but the start of it seemed to be infested with 1 a lot.
> Unfortunately, though they from the same dialling code area, the last four
> digits differed.
>
The scammers often spoof the last number called as the originating
number. People are more likely to pick up a call if they see it is local.

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On 22/02/2023 16:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yeah. In one case it was a genuine scammer. My bank I think trying to
> sell me something.

Many years ago I had a snail mail from RBS saying that they had been
unsuccessful trying to contact me by phone* and I should contact them
urgently about my account.

When I did phone the branch a was told that it wasn't urgent, nothing
was wrong with my account and they just wanted me to make an appointment
to come in to discuss my financial planning aka to sell me a product
that made them the most commission!

A strongly worded complaint was sent to both the branch manager and head
office with a copy of the original letter. I did get an apology but it
was one of the main reasons for changing banks.

*They may have been phoning me but would have always got the answer
machine and then failed to leave a message.

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alan_m wrote:

> The scammers often spoof the last number called as the originating
> number.

How would a scammer know the last number anyone had called?

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 17:39:21 +0000, Harry Bloomfield Esq
<a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:

>On 24/02/2023 14:32, jkn wrote:
>> I think I have had that one as well, from a Bournemouth number,
>> quite a few calls some six months ago.
>
>0118 2303226 Which is a Reading code, I had multiple blocked calls from
>similar Reading area numbers, so I rang them back..
>
>Female, Reading accent, began saying 'I'm your local energy advisor...'
>On my saying nothing, she started with the 'hello, hello'
>
>Strange part was, there was no ringing tone, just complete silence until
>she spoke..

The male "Chris" bot that I recorded presented
020 3740 0727 & 020 3773 9914 as CLI

and according to reports on
https://who-called.co.uk/Number/02037400727
it was active from 11/5/22 to 18/11/22

Interestingly, out of all the dozens of reports, not one identified
"Chris" as being a recording or bot, and I'm ashamed to say that
included me when I logged a report on 18/10/2022

It wasn't until I listened to it a couple of times I realised there
were two bots talking to each other!

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%Profound_observation%

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 12:24:44 UTC, Graham. wrote:
> >
> >I got a spate of calls some time back from a well spoken voice, claiming
> >to be "my local energy advisor". Claiming "local" was odd since it was
> >from a Dorset dialling code each time.
> >
> >Conversations were somewhat disjointed. I got the impression it actually
> >a very well done voice menu bot in the end - at least at the start of
> >the call. Since if you spoke while it spoke, it paused, but then carried
> >on, not seeming to have registered what you said etc.
> Oh "Chris", he's a bot, no doubt of that John. Quite convincing though
> on the first hearing. When he called back again I was ready for him
> and he was connected to my bot "Lenny". Here is the result!
>
> https://youtu.be/kRimYymMVus
>
> --
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> %Profound_observation%
Excellent!
Bill

On 25/02/2023 12:25, Andy Burns wrote:
> alan_m wrote:
>
>> The scammers often spoof the last number called as the originating
>> number.
>
> How would a scammer know the last number anyone had called?
>

The last number they called! If you had a call from the spammer the next
number the scammer called would have your telephone number spoofed as
the calling number.

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On 25 Feb 2023 at 13:39:57 GMT, "wrightsaerials@f2s.com"
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 12:24:44 UTC, Graham. wrote:
>>>
>>> I got a spate of calls some time back from a well spoken voice, claiming
>>> to be "my local energy advisor". Claiming "local" was odd since it was
>>> from a Dorset dialling code each time.
>>>
>>> Conversations were somewhat disjointed. I got the impression it actually
>>> a very well done voice menu bot in the end - at least at the start of
>>> the call. Since if you spoke while it spoke, it paused, but then carried
>>> on, not seeming to have registered what you said etc.
>> Oh "Chris", he's a bot, no doubt of that John. Quite convincing though
>> on the first hearing. When he called back again I was ready for him
>> and he was connected to my bot "Lenny". Here is the result!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/kRimYymMVus

Right, got it this time. I'd replaced my hosts file with one that pointed all
the advertising sites etc to localhost. Anyway I restored the OS-supplied one
and was able to listen.

You've got a very convincing doddering-old-fossil there.

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Tim

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> In article <k5n0h3Fedl9U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <k5mnsoFd49gU1@mid.individual.net>, Spike
> > > <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > > On 22 Feb 2023 at 12:07:19 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
> > > > > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > A large population under a totalitarian style government fed on
> > > > > > processes insect and soybean, living a life of equally shared
> > > > > > misery apart from the Party, who still have all the luxuries.
> > > > > > And a Glorious Leader who is the next best thing to God.
> > >
> > > > > As predicted by George Orwell in 1984. We have:
> > >
> > > > > Eastasia - that's China Eurasia - which is what Russia is fast
> > > > > becoming Oceania - everyone else
> > >
> > > > National Anthem of Oceania:
> > >
> > > > <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LQahV5pV8>
> > >
> > > > By one of those astonishing coincidences, Tony Blair <spit> was on
> > > > the radio this morning extolling the virtues of a digital Identity
> > > > Card, on the grounds that it will make age verification on the
> > > > internet so much easier. He didn‘t say what else it might be
> > > > mandatory for, or where any mission creep might take it, neither did
> > > > he speak of the WWII ID card, which initially had four reasons for
> > > > its existence but by the time the peasants revolted had amassed
> > > > thirty-nine.
>
> > > I still have my WWII ID card. Pretty useless- no photo.
>
> > I know what my Registration Number was, but I don‘t have the card to go
> > with it.
>
> Mine turned into my NHS number
>
So did mine, but nhs number was later changed without my knowledge.

I can remeber teh original one, but not the multi digit new one.

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braind

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/02/2023 08:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > I'm normally pretty good at spotting bots, and I think this was just a
> > script the people worked from. I deleted the number so don't know where it
> > was, but the start of it seemed to be infested with 1 a lot.
> > Unfortunately, though they from the same dialling code area, the last four
> > digits differed.
> >
> The scammers often spoof the last number called as the originating
> number. People are more likely to pick up a call if they see it is local.

I think they just make up a random number which is similar to yours. ie if
your number is 01234 567890 they'll set their CLID to 01234 567xxx for
random xxx. I've seen this kind of setup on scambaiter videos when they
show the dialplan for the scammer autodialler.

This is obvious on mobiles where they appear as a number which is similar to
yours but, given the much larger range of mobile number space, the chances
of anybody calling you having a mobile number with the same prefix is very
slim (ie if your number is 07123 456789, seeing a call from 07123 456375 is
instantly fishy)

Since the numbers may be randomly generated, setting the CLID to their
previous victim doesn't make much sense.

Theo