On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars certainly do.
>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>> don't need it.
>>>
>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>
> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>
> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the season
> progressed.
>
>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system

Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.

On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars certainly
>>>> do.
>>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>>> don't need it.
>>>>
>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>
>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>
>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>> season progressed.
>>
>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>
>
> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.

Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.

On 7/1/22 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars
>>>>> certainly do.
>>>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>>>> don't need it.
>>>>>
>>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>>
>>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>>
>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>> season progressed.
>>>
>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>
>>
>>
>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>
> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
> to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
> there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
> as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.

Darren proffers lots of links that really don't mean a damn thing.

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On 7/01/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>
>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>
>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>> season progressed.
>>
>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>
>
> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.

It may have been, but not because they couldn't afford it :)

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On 7/01/2022 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:

>>>
>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>> season progressed.
>>>
>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>
>>
>>
>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>
> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
> to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
> there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
> as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.

The fact that they were putting money into developing a power steering
system shoots down the theory that their budget didn't permit them to
have one.

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On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 00:18:27 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 7/01/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>>
>>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>>
>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>> season progressed.
>>>
>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>
>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>
> It may have been, but not because they couldn't afford it :)

lol!

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You got it wrong O Great Critic of Others Comprehension.

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On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 00:19:55 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 7/01/2022 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>>> season progressed.
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>>
>> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
>> to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
>> there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
>> as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.
>
> The fact that they were putting money into developing a power steering
> system shoots down the theory that their budget didn't permit them to
> have one.

Nope. *Still* wrong Der Der.
Here *again* is the critical sentence from *your* quote. "KL Minardi
Asiatech today announces that it is to develop power-assisted steering...".

There is *still* nothing definitive in there about Minardi having spent a
single dollar.

Well played Buffo.

alvey
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comprehend basic language if you wrote it on a cricket bat and smashed
him in the face with it."

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On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:56:38 +1100, Xeno wrote:

> On 7/1/22 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars
>>>>>> certainly do.
>>>>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>>>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>>>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>>>>> don't need it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>>>
>>>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>>>
>>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>>> season progressed.
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>>
>> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
>> to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
>> there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
>> as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.
>
> Darren proffers lots of links that really don't mean a damn thing.

He need glasses that correct sociopathy...

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On 7/01/2022 2:35 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 11:34 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 4/01/2022 1:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/22 12:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:11 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of that cause of *running out of assistance* but it
>>>>>>> may be possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> More amusing cluelessness from the "teacher" who failed carburetor
>>>>> and brake system 101. Do yourself a favour and take whatever this
>>>>> moron claims with a grain of salt Trevor, as he has absolutely *no
>>>>> idea* what he's talking about :)
>>>>
>>>> Ah Darren, I see I am still getting under your skin. Please note, I
>>>> said *i* couldn't see the issue happening, all I did was allow for
>>>> the possibility.
>>>
>>> It's the scientific approach vs Derro's dumb as a munt approach that
>>> has worked so well for him in the past... not :-)
>>
>> Well, shockers will lose efficiency when the vehicle is driven over
>> the rough stuff and the fluid overheats and becomes aerated. Thus it
>> *might* be possible for the power steering to do the same. That said,
>> and as I pointed out, *I* have never heard of it nor, for that
>> matter, have I ever experienced it. Darren's just trying to make
>> points when he's dead set onto a loser play.
>>
>
> Empty points. He's just trying to create a strawman so he can have
> another long winded vein bulging rant about someone he claims doesn't
> give a shit about.

LOL

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On 7/01/2022 8:56 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/1/22 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars
>>>>>> certainly do.
>>>>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>>>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>>>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>>>>> don't need it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>>>
>>>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>>>
>>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>>> season progressed.
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>>
>> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it
>> is to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One
>> cars" there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact
>> as far as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.
>
> Darren proffers lots of links that really don't mean a damn thing.
>

Quite often his own links prove him wrong in fact!

On 8/01/2022 4:11 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:56:38 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>
>> On 7/1/22 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/01/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/01/2022 11:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except that many race cars do have PS, F1 and V8 Supercars
>>>>>>> certainly do.
>>>>>>> Imagine trying to steer those cars with the very wide sticky slick
>>>>>>> tyres and high down force without PS, it would be near impossible.
>>>>>>> Very light race cars such as Lotus 7's don't have PS because they
>>>>>>> don't need it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last F1 car not to have PS was the Minardi, that Mark Webber
>>>>>> started out in. They simply couldn't afford it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another in the long line of motor racing old wives tales :)
>>>>>
>>>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>>>> season progressed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>>>
>>> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it is
>>> to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One cars"
>>> there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact as far
>>> as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.
>>
>> Darren proffers lots of links that really don't mean a damn thing.
>
> He need glasses that correct sociopathy...
>
>
>
> alvey
>

Indeed :-)

On 7/01/2022 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 11:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> The Minardi you're talking about was the PS02 model that started the
>>>> 2002 season with Webber as a driver, and while it didn't have power
>>>> steering at the beginning of the season it was implemented as the
>>>> season progressed.
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.crash.net/f1/news/41188/1/minardi-to-benefit-from-new-steering-system
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be that as it may, it was still the last F1 car not to have PS.
>>
>> Your link actually says "KL Minardi Asiatech today announces that it
>> is to develop power-assisted steering for its latest PS02 Formula One
>> cars" there is nothing to say when PS was actually installed, in fact
>> as far as I can see, it wasn't installed until the vest years car.
>
> The fact that they were putting money into developing a power steering
> system shoots down the theory that their budget didn't permit them to
> have one.
>

Nope, nice try at extrapolating something from nothing, but that's *not*
what it the link says or even implies.

On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 14:30:46 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 10:27 am, Xeno wrote:
> > On 7/1/22 12:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
> >> On 5/01/2022 11:43 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>> On 4/01/2022 12:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
> >>>> On 4/1/22 12:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/01/2022 6:25 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/01/2022 6:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It was also said that modern steering is a cause of accidents, as
> >>>>>>> the reaction of the vehicle to steering wheel movement is faster,
> >>>>>>> unlike historically when there was a more delayed response. so
> >>>>>>> for example violently moving the steering wheel to avoid a
> >>>>>>> collision will have an immediate effect, causing a severe
> >>>>>>> reaction of the vehicle, like a roll over for example.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> **OH, a couple more things. Honda was not the first with electric
> >>>>>> power steering. However, the NSX was very well resolved. The first
> >>>>>> electric power steering system was patented in 1903. Suzuki was
> >>>>>> the first modern manufacturer to use electric power steering in 1988.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Apart from cost and the ability to integrate with safety systems,
> >>>>>> electric power steering has one other advantage. I'm sure I will
> >>>>>> be corrected on this, but I recall reading somewhere that
> >>>>>> hydraulic power steering systems can 'run out' of assistance, if
> >>>>>> used VERY vigorously and for long periods. Could be an old wive's
> >>>>>> tale, so don't take it too seriously, unless someone with real
> >>>>>> knowledge can back the claim.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, it's rubbish. As long as the pump is providing fluid pressure
> >>>>> and the system is working as it's supposed to be, they don't run
> >>>>> out of assistance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> UNless the electrical system fails, electric power steering never
> >>>>>> runs out of juice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Electric power steering systems aren't without their faults either,
> >>>>> and there's been some infamous issues with it. Most notably was the
> >>>>> one in the US about a decade ago that affected Toyota Corollas. The
> >>>>> cars had a bug whereby the electric power steering system would
> >>>>> suddenly and unexpectedly pull on full right or left lock at
> >>>>> freeway speeds which resulted in a number of people being killed in
> >>>>> the resulting accidents and Toyota recalling millions of vehicles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hydraulic power steering would have a hard time ever doing that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah Darren, always the bullshit artist. Can't help yourself, can you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a reality check for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.torquenews.com/106/nhtsa-closes-investigation-toyota-corolla-steering-systems
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No mention of people killed or injured in the case of this fault
> >>>> Darren. Please explain.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> and no recall either
> >>>
> >>
> >> He just piles on the lies... it never ends.
> >>
> > Darren seems to assume everyone else has research and comprehensions
> > skills that are worse than his. Boy, do I have news for him. He just
> > proved how bad his research and comprehension skills are with his
> > attempt to slag Toyotas off.
> >
> >
> He's only slagging off Toyota because I/we own one. It would matter what
> we owned he would find reason to slag it off... if not make or model it
> would be size or luxury level, price or something else.
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