When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
the loop opener and the lid springs back?

In article <u2drdt$1u2s5$1@dont-email.me>,
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
> the loop opener and the lid springs back?

wear appropriate PPE

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 27/04/2023 in message <u2drdt$1u2s5$1@dont-email.me> gareth evans wrote:

>When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>the loop opener and the lid springs back?

I once spent half an hour on the 'phone to a charming lady on 111 who was
advising me how to stop myself from bleeding to death after the lid sprang
back and nearly chopped a finger off.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If Björn & Benny had been called Syd and Dave then ABBA would have been
called ASDA.

On 27/04/2023 14:04, charles wrote:
> In article <u2drdt$1u2s5$1@dont-email.me>,
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>
>
> wear appropriate PPE
>
use a tin opener

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>
>
>
>

I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
please?

I recommend pickled herrings - they come in jars. A bit of a strong taste -
they are wrapped with onions.

In message <u2edsd$21g55$1@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> writes
>gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>please?
>
>I recommend pickled herrings - they come in jars. A bit of a strong taste -
>they are wrapped with onions.
>
Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find the
sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid where
you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to release it.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

In message <xn0o13frflea8os006@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes
>On 27/04/2023 in message <u2drdt$1u2s5$1@dont-email.me> gareth evans wrote:
>
>>When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>>oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>>and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>>rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>>the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>
>I once spent half an hour on the 'phone to a charming lady on 111 who
>was advising me how to stop myself from bleeding to death after the lid
>sprang back and nearly chopped a finger off.
>
The assistance of a spoon handle through the ring-pull helps you control
the leverage,
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <u2edsd$21g55$1@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> writes
>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>> please?
>>
>> I recommend pickled herrings - they come in jars. A bit of a strong taste -
>> they are wrapped with onions.
>>
> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find the
> sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid where
> you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to release it.

Not a problem I’ve noticed.

That said, for jars etc which are ‘tight’, we have a gizmo which is like a
VERY thick rubber band with rubber teeth / nobbles on the inside. You slip
it over the lid and it helps you grip as well as increasing the distance
from the centre of rotation a bit. I’m not sure where we bought it- it
looks like something IKEA would sell.

I make my own pickles etc and use those safety lids you seal using a
boiling water bath. Sometimes they can be a pain to open. The gizmo is
perfect.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 05:00:42 +1000, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <u2edsd$21g55$1@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> writes
>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>> please?
>>
>> I recommend pickled herrings - they come in jars. A bit of a strong
>> taste -
>> they are wrapped with onions.
>>
> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find the
> sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid where
> you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to release it.

Anchovies are supplied the same way in the larger packs and I have
never needed to insert anything. They have a thick glass body and a
thick glass lid and a rubber ring between them and a galvanised
steel wire clip.

On 27/04/2023 20:00, Ian Jackson wrote:

> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find the
> sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid where
> you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to release it.

I have a plastic tool a 'Jarkey', which is designed to easily break the
vacuum without damaging either the lid or the jar.
Mine was a gift, but I've seen them at Lakeland and on Amazon.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:56:27 +0100, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>the loop opener and the lid springs back?

Ignore the ring and peelback feature; treat it a as a trap for those who do not
have the proper tools.

Use a can opener...

Thomas Prufer

Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:

> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find
> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid
> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
> release it.

Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of Duer's
marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per 100g
of the "nice" marmalades).

I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw thread.

After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the tongue in the
same way as "Google" does), I've found this:

From https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/

<cite>
The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CCK), a
world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to get the
jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a normal
twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place to
provide further protection.

To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same way as
opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens the
ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break the
seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal. As the
panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking the
seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as usual.
</cite>

--
Alan J. Wylie https://www.wylie.me.uk/

Dance like no-one's watching. / Encrypt like everyone is.
Security is inversely proportional to convenience

Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:56:27 +0100, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>
> Ignore the ring and peelback feature; treat it a as a trap for those who do not
> have the proper tools.
>
> Use a can opener...
>
>
> Thomas Prufer
>

Popping the tin in the fridge for a bit or even a freezer - long enough to
chill the contents and reduce the internal pressure - may help.

On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:

<snip>

> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
> please?

Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.

--
Cheers
Clive

On 28/04/2023 10:06, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>> please?
>
> Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
> herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
>
Yes, But I prefer pilchards.

--
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

Alan J. Wylie wrote:

> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
>> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find
>> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid
>> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
>> release it.
>
> Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of Duer's
> marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per 100g
> of the "nice" marmalades).
>
> I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
> screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw thread.
>
> After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the tongue in the
> same way as "Google" does), I've found this:
>
> From https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/
>
> <cite>
> The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CCK), a
> world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to get the
> jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a normal
> twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
> sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place to
> provide further protection.
>
> To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same way as
> opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens the
> ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break the
> seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal. As the
> panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking the
> seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
> freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as usual.
> </cite>

Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much impressed.
For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy vacuum/lid
releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.

https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese

The ring-pull can opener mentioned elsewhere is no longer a problem with
this one in the kitchen drawer.

https://tinyurl.com/27ovddm4

These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.
--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Do unto others, then run like hell.

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>> please?
>
> Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
> herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
>

Thank you. I will have a look, a new Lidl opened near us not long ago.

I thought I’d checked the Aldi range - we have a good one nearby- but maybe
I missed them.

We tend to stock up on tinned fish in France, the French seem to do a wider
range and the prices are normally very good.

On 28/04/2023 10:27, Bob Henson wrote:
> Alan J. Wylie wrote:
>
>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
>>> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find
>>> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid
>>> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
>>> release it.
>>
>> Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of Duer's
>> marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per 100g
>> of the "nice" marmalades).
>>
>> I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
>> screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw thread.
>>
>> After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the tongue in the
>> same way as "Google" does), I've found this:
>>
>> From https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/
>>
>> <cite>
>> The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CCK), a
>> world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to get the
>> jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a normal
>> twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
>> sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place to
>> provide further protection.
>>
>> To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same way as
>> opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens the
>> ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break the
>> seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal. As the
>> panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking the
>> seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
>> freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as usual.
>> </cite>
>
> Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much impressed.
> For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy vacuum/lid
> releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese
>
> The ring-pull can opener mentioned elsewhere is no longer a problem with
> this one in the kitchen drawer.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/27ovddm4
>
> These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.

Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the blister
packs....

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
> >> please?
> >
> > Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
> > herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
> >
>
> Thank you. I will have a look, a new Lidl opened near us not long ago.

These are the ones (warning: link contains fish):
https://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/lidl-recalls-tinned-fish-because-labels-dont-warn-that-cans-may-contain-fish-5852255/

I can recommend the mustard ones as well as the various tomato versions...

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:37:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the blister
> packs....

https://www.mobilitysmart.co.uk/pill-popper-and-dispenser.html

Many similar on Amazon too, or your local pharmacy.

Oh' I forgot, you plonked me.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 28/04/2023 10:27, Bob Henson wrote:
>> Alan J. Wylie wrote:
>>
>>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
>>>> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find
>>>> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid
>>>> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
>>>> release it.
>>>
>>> Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of Duer's
>>> marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per 100g
>>> of the "nice" marmalades).
>>>
>>> I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
>>> screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw thread.
>>>
>>> After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the tongue in the
>>> same way as "Google" does), I've found this:
>>>
>>> From https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/
>>>
>>> <cite>
>>> The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CCK), a
>>> world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to get the
>>> jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a normal
>>> twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
>>> sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place to
>>> provide further protection.
>>>
>>> To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same way as
>>> opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens the
>>> ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break the
>>> seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal. As the
>>> panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking the
>>> seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
>>> freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as usual.
>>> </cite>
>>
>> Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much impressed.
>> For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy vacuum/lid
>> releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese
>>
>> The ring-pull can opener mentioned elsewhere is no longer a problem with
>> this one in the kitchen drawer.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/27ovddm4
>>
>> These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.
>
> Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the blister
> packs....

https://tinyurl.com/2cm2hw4p

That's the one I use - not perfect, but it saves lots of little cuts from
the foil.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Diplomacy - the art of letting someone else have your own way.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 11:36:58 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>

>>> These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.
>>
>> Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the blister
>> packs....
>
> https://tinyurl.com/2cm2hw4p
>
> That's the one I use - not perfect, but it saves lots of little cuts
> from the foil.

Similar to the one I linked to but far more expensive from Amazon (though
free delivery, if available) may equalise the cost

On 28/04/2023 10:27, Bob Henson wrote:

> Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much impressed.
> For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy vacuum/lid
> releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese
>
Yes, that is an excellent gadget. We've had one for years.

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought them,
>>>> please?
>>>
>>> Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
>>> herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you. I will have a look, a new Lidl opened near us not long ago.
>
> These are the ones (warning: link contains fish):
> https://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/lidl-recalls-tinned-fish-because-labels-dont-warn-that-cans-may-contain-fish-5852255/

ROTFL

>
> I can recommend the mustard ones as well as the various tomato versions...
>

Doesn’t the mustard overpower the fish? I like mustard but I’m not sure
about it with fish.

Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > I can recommend the mustard ones as well as the various tomato versions...
>
> Doesn’t the mustard overpower the fish? I like mustard but I’m not sure
> about it with fish.

It's a creamy mustard not a hot mustard, more like a mustardy white sauce
than a vinegary hotdog mustard.

Theo