On 29/04/2023 23:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 16:45:14 +1000, Bob Henson <fake@obfuscation.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:36:58 +1000, Bob Henson <fake@obfuscation.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/04/2023 10:27, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan J. Wylie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid
>>>>>>>>>> (there's a
>>>>>>>>>> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of
>>>>>>>>>> the lid
>>>>>>>>>> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
>>>>>>>>>> release it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of
>>>>>>>>> Duer's
>>>>>>>>> marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per
>>>>>>>>> 100g
>>>>>>>>> of the "nice" marmalades).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
>>>>>>>>> screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw
>>>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the
>>>>>>>>> tongue in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same way as "Google" does), I've found this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   From
>>>>>>>>> https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <cite>
>>>>>>>>> The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:
>>>>>>>>> CCK), a
>>>>>>>>> world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a
>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>> twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
>>>>>>>>> sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> provide further protection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same
>>>>>>>>> way as
>>>>>>>>> opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal.
>>>>>>>>> As the
>>>>>>>>> panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
>>>>>>>>> freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as
>>>>>>>>> usual.
>>>>>>>>> </cite>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much
>>>>>>>> impressed.
>>>>>>>> For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy
>>>>>>>> vacuum/lid
>>>>>>>> releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ring-pull can opener mentioned elsewhere is no longer a problem
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> this one in the kitchen drawer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/27ovddm4
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the
>>>>>>> blister
>>>>>>> packs....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2cm2hw4p
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the one I use - not perfect, but it saves lots of little cuts
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the foil.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never ever get any cuts from the foil and don't use any tool at all.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe your hands are in better nick than mine - mine are numb and
>>>> clumsy.
>>>
>>> None of the foil comes even close to cutting anything.
>>>
>>> I do occasionally end up with a pill sized bit of foil, but it never
>>> cuts
>>> anything.
>>
>> You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with different
>> packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>
> Packaging might vary from one country to another.
> In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
> of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without the
> use of tools.  His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
> particular construction.
>
I have a scalpel here where I take my daily pills, just in case.
--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

On 29/04/2023 23:42, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 29-Apr-23 18:50, Brian wrote:
>
>> I like mustards. I want to return to Dijon which his ‘mustard heaven’ but
>> on our previous trip someone stole our cool box - the only time we’ve
>> experienced crime while travelling- and Senior Management has a thing
>> about
>> Dijon now.
>>
> For a similar reason, SWMBO has Calais engraved upon her heart (or was
> it her spleen?).
>
>
I got my whole fucking car stolen and partially dismantled in Brussels.

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

In message <91h3M.323431$Mmdc.208239@fx02.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
<not@home.com> writes
>On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>> You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with
>>different
>> packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>
>Packaging might vary from one country to another.
>In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
>of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without the
>use of tools. His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
>particular construction.

Packaging varies from one pill manufacturer to another!

As with many here, I have a daily intake of pills. The prescription is
for 28 days but not all manufacturers supply 28 pill packs so there is
either a creeping accumulation or a shortfall.
The supplying Chemist clearly has a financial interest and the actual
manufacturer changes. The blister packs vary considerably with some
obvious economies: where a tiny pill is supplied in a pack suited for
something much larger.

Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>

--
Tim Lamb

On 29 Apr 2023 at 23:45:38 BST, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 29-Apr-23 18:50, Brian wrote:
>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <u2g05n$2cebg$1@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> writes
>>>> Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:56:27 +0100, gareth evans
>>>>> <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>>>>>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>>>>>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>>>>>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>>>>>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ignore the ring and peelback feature; treat it a as a trap for those
>>>>> who do not have the proper tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use a can opener...

>>>> Popping the tin in the fridge for a bit or even a freezer - long enough to
>>>> chill the contents and reduce the internal pressure - may help.
>>>>
>>> If a tin of fish has any internal pressure, I would be very wary about
>>> eating its contents.
>>
>> Good point. That said, cooling may cause a slight vacuum effect, causing
>> air to carry any spray in as you break the seal.
>>
> I buy ground coffee in sealed tins. They always have an excess pressure
> inside (probably packed under nitrogen).
> I take care where I aim, when opening them.

Don't open it upside down, then :-)

I always start with a tissue on the counter top, with the tin on it, as it's
impossible to prevent a few drops of liquid (sunflower oil in my case) from
getting out. Hold the tin firmly on the counter with the ring away from you,
and ease the ring up gently to pop it and then pull it towards you until the
lid has split along to about half the tin. I don't go further than this as
when you get to the end the resistance-to-pull characteristics of the lid
change. Then use a fork to get the contents out.

Using a tin-opener will just ensure you and the floor are covered with all the
contents.

--
The reason you think government is the solution is because you think freedom is the problem. But the truth is that government ensures that the most evil, ruthless people end up in control, because the state is a single point of failure, and a high-value target of corruption.

Alan Lovejoy

On 30/04/2023 09:41, Tim Streater wrote:
> I always start with a tissue on the counter top, with the tin on it, as it's
> impossible to prevent a few drops of liquid (sunflower oil in my case) from
> getting out. Hold the tin firmly on the counter with the ring away from you,
> and ease the ring up gently to pop it and then pull it towards you until the
> lid has split along to about half the tin. I don't go further than this as
> when you get to the end the resistance-to-pull characteristics of the lid
> change. Then use a fork to get the contents out.
>
> Using a tin-opener will just ensure you and the floor are covered with all the
> contents.
>

Yes; half way followed by a bit of forking about, then rinse the tomato
sauce under the tap; then lever the rest of the lid off to render it
more safe.

I've found the Amaon offerings of Herrings In to be very variable in
the contents; although the tomatos sauce is nice and spicy. Sometimes
only hald full of fish whereas the Sainsburys John West flat tins are
packed full of fish. But John West tins of fish do not seem in general
to be as succulent as other sources.

On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <91h3M.323431$Mmdc.208239@fx02.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
> <not@home.com> writes
>> On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>  You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with
>>> different
>>> packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>>
>> Packaging might vary from one country to another.
>> In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
>> of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without
>> the use of tools.  His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
>> particular construction.
>
> Packaging varies from one pill manufacturer to another!
>
> As with many here, I have a daily intake of  pills. The prescription is
> for 28 days but not all manufacturers supply 28 pill packs so there is
> either a creeping accumulation or a shortfall.
> The supplying Chemist clearly has a financial interest and the actual
> manufacturer changes. The blister packs vary considerably with some
> obvious economies: where a tiny pill is supplied in a pack suited for
> something much larger.
>
> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>>
>

I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
dig through the foil lid ???.

On 29/04/2023 07:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/04/2023 20:49, Andrew wrote:
>> On 28/04/2023 10:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2023 10:06, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought
>>>>> them,
>>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>> Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
>>>> herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
>>>>
>>> Yes, But I prefer pilchards.
>>>
>>
>> Cat food.
> Cats are very discriminating
>

You mean they lick up the tomato sauce and ignore
the fish ?.

On 28/04/2023 22:53, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <u2g05n$2cebg$1@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> writes
>> Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:56:27 +0100, gareth evans
>>> <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When SWMBO is occupied elsewhere and I must feed myself, the flat
>>>> oval tins of Herrings In are tempting but, when opening these
>>>> and peeling back the lid of the tin, how does one prevent a
>>>> rainstorm of tomato sauce when you take your finger away from
>>>> the loop opener and the lid springs back?
>>>
>>> Ignore the ring and peelback feature; treat it a as a trap for those
>>> who do not
>>> have the proper tools.
>>>
>>> Use a can opener...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas Prufer
>>>
>>
>> Popping the tin in the fridge for a bit or even a freezer - long
>> enough to
>> chill the contents and reduce the internal pressure - may help.
>>
> If a tin of fish has any internal pressure, I would be very wary about
> eating its contents.

Botulism. very nasty. I believe you cannot even detect it with
the 'nose test'.

On 30 Apr 2023 at 15:13:02 BST, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <91h3M.323431$Mmdc.208239@fx02.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>> <not@home.com> writes
>>> On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>> You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with
>>>> different packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>>>
>>> Packaging might vary from one country to another.
>>> In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
>>> of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without
>>> the use of tools. His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
>>> particular construction.
>>
>> Packaging varies from one pill manufacturer to another!
>>
>> As with many here, I have a daily intake of pills. The prescription is
>> for 28 days but not all manufacturers supply 28 pill packs so there is
>> either a creeping accumulation or a shortfall.
>> The supplying Chemist clearly has a financial interest and the actual
>> manufacturer changes. The blister packs vary considerably with some
>> obvious economies: where a tiny pill is supplied in a pack suited for
>> something much larger.
>>
>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>
> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
> dig through the foil lid ???.

One of my pills sometimes comes in seriously bad packaging. There are four
jobbies inside the box, seven pills on each. First thing is to split each one
into two parts: one with three, other with four pills. Only then is it
possible to follow the instructions to *peel* *back* the covers and thus
obtain access to the pills. You can't push the pill through the non-blister
side, it's not possible and if you try, you crush the pill to powder. I can
manage these but some poor sod with arthritic mitts is going to have trouble.

--
Lady Astor: "If you were my husband I'd give you poison."
Churchill: "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."

On 29 Apr 2023 at 07:18:03 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 28/04/2023 20:49, Andrew wrote:
>> On 28/04/2023 10:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2023 10:06, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2023 19:11, Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I’ve not seen herrings in tomato sauce. Can I ask where you bought
>>>>> them,
>>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>> Lidl do a small range (and probably Aldi), there's also John West
>>>> herring fillet in tomato sauce from other shops.
>>>>
>>> Yes, But I prefer pilchards.
>>>
>>
>> Cat food.
> Cats are very discriminating

As anyone who has watched "The Long Goodbye" with Elliot Gould, can testify.

--
27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.

"A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

Dan Hannan

On 28 Apr 2023 at 10:37:26 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 28/04/2023 10:27, Bob Henson wrote:
>> Alan J. Wylie wrote:
>>
>>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Just had some this evening. Initially releasing the lid (there's a
>>>> vacuum inside) can sometimes be a bit of a bugger. You need to find
>>>> the sweet spot between the rim of the glass and the edge of the lid
>>>> where you can insert a suitable tool (usually a spoon handle) to
>>>> release it.
>>>
>>> Only yesterday I bought, for the first time, a couple of jars of Duer's
>>> marmalade with "Easy Open Lids" (Duer's were the lowest pence per 100g
>>> of the "nice" marmalades).
>>>
>>> I haven't opened one yet, but there is a somewhat freely rotating
>>> screwed ring around the main lid which seems to meet a screw thread.
>>>
>>> After a quick search ("Duck Duck Go" doesn't roll off the tongue in the
>>> same way as "Google" does), I've found this:
>>>
>>> From https://duerrs.co.uk/duerrs-new-jar-lid-solves-age-old-problem/
>>>
>>> <cite>
>>> The simple mechanism, developed by Crown Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CCK), a
>>> world leader in metal packaging, reduces the effort required to get the
>>> jar open. The appearance of the OrbitTM lid is very similar to a normal
>>> twist-off lid, but it is actually in two parts: a central panel is
>>> sealed to the jar by vacuum, and an outer ring is screwed in place to
>>> provide further protection.
>>>
>>> To open the jar, the user simply twists the ring in the same way as
>>> opening a normal twist-off lid. Twisting the ring firstly loosens the
>>> ring, then smoothly pushes the panel away from the jar to break the
>>> seal. In this way, the ring acts as a tool to break the seal. As the
>>> panel is free to move within the ring, the sound made by breaking the
>>> seal is accentuated, assuring the consumer of the contents’
>>> freshness. Once opened, the jar may be reclosed and reopened as usual.
>>> </cite>
>>
>> Ocean Spray brand of tartare sauce has similar - we were much impressed.
>> For other normal types of jammed screw top jars, this handy vacuum/lid
>> releaser is a life saver for those with dodgy hands.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/22ql9ese
>>
>> The ring-pull can opener mentioned elsewhere is no longer a problem with
>> this one in the kitchen drawer.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/27ovddm4
>>
>> These two gadgets have saved me endless painful fingers and cuts.
>
> Now all I need is a mechanism to pop the daily pills out of the blister
> packs....

I have several of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YUY6XFI/

and I load two of them up with a month's worth of pills at a time, takes about
10 minutes even with the Fort Knox style packaging some of these suppliers
use. Handy for travelling, too, just pick up a loaded one and slip into one of
those plastic wallets that short cables come in - with room for the
prescription too.

Hmm, I'm sure this only cost a couple of quid each when I first got some.

--
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams

Andrew wrote:

> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <91h3M.323431$Mmdc.208239@fx02.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>> <not@home.com> writes
>>> On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>  You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with
>>>> different
>>>> packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>>>
>>> Packaging might vary from one country to another.
>>> In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
>>> of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without
>>> the use of tools.  His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
>>> particular construction.
>>
>> Packaging varies from one pill manufacturer to another!
>>
>> As with many here, I have a daily intake of  pills. The prescription is
>> for 28 days but not all manufacturers supply 28 pill packs so there is
>> either a creeping accumulation or a shortfall.
>> The supplying Chemist clearly has a financial interest and the actual
>> manufacturer changes. The blister packs vary considerably with some
>> obvious economies: where a tiny pill is supplied in a pack suited for
>> something much larger.
>>
>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>>>
>>
>
> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
> dig through the foil lid ???.

I wouldn't have thought so - it's hard enough doing it the sensible way.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Obsolete : The computer you have.
State of the Art : The computer you can't afford.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:08:11 +1000, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> In message <91h3M.323431$Mmdc.208239@fx02.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
> <not@home.com> writes
>> On 29-Apr-23 10:34, Bob Henson wrote:
>>> You must be very special to have your own supply of drugs with
>>> different
>>> packaging from the rest of humanity.
>>>
>> Packaging might vary from one country to another.
>> In a different group, a chap who lives in Florida says he has one type
>> of pill which comes in blister packs which he cannot pierce without the
>> use of tools. His usual method (thumbnail) doesn't work on this
>> particular construction.

> Packaging varies from one pill manufacturer to another!

Never seen that with bubble packs ever using foil which can
cut you and I can't see why any manufacturer would ever use
foil like that on their bubble packs given that it would cost more.

> As with many here, I have a daily intake of pills. The prescription is
> for 28 days

We don't see that here.

> but not all manufacturers supply 28 pill packs so there is either a
> creeping accumulation or a shortfall.

Or that either. Metaprolol comes in 100 pill boxes, 4
cards of 25 pills each, 5 rows of 5 pills on each card.

Lipitor comes in 30 pill boxes, 3 cards of 10 pills each,
2 rows of 5 pills on each card. Massive great pills, but
even with those, the foil is much too thin to cut you.

I just get the script that is for 5 refills every time with
Lipitor but skip the metaprolol quite often so the metaprolol
script doesnt get filled before the script expires.

> The supplying Chemist clearly has a financial interest and the actual
> manufacturer changes.

> The blister packs vary considerably with some obvious economies: where a
> tiny pill is supplied in a pack suited for something much larger.

Never seen anything like that. The bubbles are always
the right size for the pill and capsule. And the metaprolol
pills are one of the smalles, Cartia low dose asprin too.

> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?

Yep.

On 30-Apr-23 15:13, Andrew wrote:
> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:

>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?

Are they?
We must ask the pharmaceutical industry what their intentions are.

> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
> dig through the foil lid ???.

Yes really.

Having tried both methods[1], I find piercing the foil with a thumbnail
to be a good deal easier.

If you think about it, the foil has to be pierced, no matter which
method you use.
That foil is far more susceptible to a sharp-edged nail than a blunt
instrument like a tablet or capsule - where much more force has to be
applied.

[1] Have you actually tried the alternative, or just assumed?

Do you have thumbnails?

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <F1z3M.748908$QS94.209484@fx10.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
<not@home.com> writes
>On 30-Apr-23 15:13, Andrew wrote:
>> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>>>plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>
>Are they?
>We must ask the pharmaceutical industry what their intentions are.
>
>> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
>> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
>> dig through the foil lid ???.
>
>Yes really.
>
>Having tried both methods[1], I find piercing the foil with a thumbnail
>to be a good deal easier.

Each to his own:-)
>
>If you think about it, the foil has to be pierced, no matter which
>method you use.
>That foil is far more susceptible to a sharp-edged nail than a blunt
>instrument like a tablet or capsule - where much more force has to be
>applied.
Of course. My system is to eject the pill directly into the 7 day pill
dispenser.
>
>[1] Have you actually tried the alternative, or just assumed?
>
>Do you have thumbnails?

Two. They don't project beyond the ends of my thumbs though.

I see elsewhere multi pill containers are mentioned. My needs are still
simple.
>

--
Tim Lamb

On 30/04/2023 15:13, Andrew wrote:
> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>
> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
> dig through the foil lid ???.

There is a problem with the slow-to-dissolve capsules containing
a powder such as omeprazole and ramipril in that pushing against
the plastic blister can result in a fractured capsule and a
shower of powder

On Mon, 01 May 2023 05:09:24 +1000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 30-Apr-23 15:13, Andrew wrote:
>> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?

> Are they?

Corse they are.

> We must ask the pharmaceutical industry what their intentions are.

Nope, that is obvious.

>> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
>> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
>> dig through the foil lid ???.

> Yes really.

Barking mad.

> Having tried both methods[1], I find piercing the foil with a thumbnail
> to be a good deal easier.

Mad.

> If you think about it, the foil has to be pierced, no matter which
> method you use.

Duh.

> That foil is far more susceptible to a sharp-edged nail than a blunt
> instrument like a tablet or capsule - where much more force has to be
> applied.

But it is a lot more fiddly to do it that way.

> [1] Have you actually tried the alternative, or just assumed?

> Do you have thumbnails?

I certainly do and have never had any problem pushing on
the pill to get it out even with the smallest easily crushable
pills like metaprolol. or one other tiny pill that I can't remember
what it was for. Almost certainly an antibiotic because I have
never taken anything else short term that might be tiny

On Mon, 01 May 2023 06:15:45 +1000, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On 30/04/2023 15:13, Andrew wrote:
>> On 30/04/2023 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> Surely all blister packs are intended to be opened by pressing the
>>> plastic *blister* allowing the pill to pierce the foil?
>>
>> I always thought that this was the 'intuitive' way to extract
>> pills from blister packs. Are people *really* attempting to
>> dig through the foil lid ???.
>
> There is a problem with the slow-to-dissolve capsules containing
> a powder such as omeprazole and ramipril in that pushing against
> the plastic blister can result in a fractured capsule and a
> shower of powder

Never seen that but I have never seen any blister
pack where the foil can cut your finger either