On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten times
>>>>>>>>>> more expensive
>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the total
>>>>>>>>>> ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD card is
>>>>>>>>> an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>> How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said about
>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>> How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any easier
>>>>>>>> to "pass
>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of other
>>>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>>> To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of what
>>>>>>>> you can do.
>>>>>>>> How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>> But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>> There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>
>>> And I never said there was.
>> And I never said you did.
>
> You implied it.

Wrong.

>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT way to
>>> share photos.

>> There was more than just that point under discussion.

> Not that I was discussing.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant.

What you were discussing in spades.

> Not that you responded to in your irrelevancy.

Nothing irrelevant about rubbing your nose in your stupidity.

On 1/2/2023 11:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> On 02/01/2023 20:35, Chris Schram wrote:
>> Most people buy a new phone on Amazon or Ebay or from Google or at a big
>> box store or at the carrier's store or at Costco or Target or Walmart.
>>
>> Most of those outlets do not offer a trade in, and of those that do, many
>> strings are attached which limit greatly your choices & add terms to your
>> contract that almost nobody but the most frugal will endure as the
>> hassle.
>
> Google do offer trade-in refunds, and the system works well.  No
> contract, no terms.

Chris is wrong of course™.

Apple, Google, Samsung, Amazon, Best Buy, as well as the three U.S.
carriers all offer trade-ins. Sometimes the trade-in value is tiny but
often it's beyond all reason, exceeding the price that was paid for the
traded-in phone. Walmart has trade-ins via
<https://walmart.cexchange.com/> but the trade-in values are poor.

And of course most people do NOT buy their phones from Amazon, eBay or
Google. Costco doesn't sell phones anymore. Most people buy from their
carrier, taking advantage of subsidies, or direct from the manufacturer.

"Carrier stores control around 85-90 percent of US postpaid phone sales"
according Wave7 Research, and more than 90% of those devices are from
Apple or Samsung.

35% seems pretty low for the percentage of trade-ins and private resale
but a lot of phones get passed to other family members and by the time
they are obsolete or broken they have very little value.

"According to CIRP, less than 10% of iPhone or Android users sell their
old phones. While the vast majority of Android users just keep their
previous smartphones, almost 30% of iPhone owners give them away in
trade-in programs." This has been the case for my family. I've traded in
two iPhones for Android devices and my son traded in his iPhone X for an
iPhone 13 Pro. So 30% trade-ins for iPhones and "less than 10%" of
iPhones and Android phones sold by the owner. And no, no one stands on
the street selling their old phone. They put them up on craigslist,
Nextdoor, eBay, Swappa, Digicircle, etc..

Jerry <Jerry@JerryThinks.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 07:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> How does one share an SD card's storage with family members?
>
> You do not seem to have any practical experience with use of sd cards.

Incorrect.

> Sharing sd card storage is trivial on Android.
> It's impossible on iOS.

Humour me. How do you share an SD card with five people, simultaneously and
regardless of where they are in the world? Looking forward to your mental
gymnastics in this one...

This really is trivial with cloud.

Jerry <Jerry@JerryThinks.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>>> The topic is cost of photo storage between iPhone and Android for the
>>> lifetime of the phone.
>>
>> No. This sub-thread is about sharing services with family (or close
>> friends) within and across platforms.
>
> OK. I'll step out as I was just saying that iPhone photo storage is always
> five to ten times more expensive than Android photo storage because Apple
> designed it that way.
>
> For one, you can't even get 200MB of $27 sd card storage on the iPhone.
> For another, 200MB of iPhone storage costs $150 over the iPhone's life.
>
> That additional $150 - $25 (using rough numbers) has to be always added to
> the cost of every iPhone if the user wishes to store that amount of photos.
>
>>
>>> The iPhone photo storage is MUCH more expensive than Android storage.
>>> $48/year for 3 years is about $150 for that 200GB of iPhone photo storage.
>>>
>>> A 200GB Sandisk sdcard on Amazon (first hit) is $27 today.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-200GB-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B08HCHS64Y/
>>>
>>> That iPhone photo storage is about 5 times more expensive than for Android.
>>
>> You're not comparing like with like. An SD card is not the same as cloud
>> storage - even on Android.
>
> No. You're wrong. You don't seem to understand sd card storage at all.
> For you to equate sd storage with cloud storage is not accurate.
> They're completely different.

Yes. That's exactly what I said.

> Apple wants you to THINK they're the same.

Doubtful.

On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not if you don't want people calling you and do find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone on
>>>>>>>>>>>> silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on being
>>>>>>>>>> the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>  I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the phone
>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off without
>>>>>>>> reading.
>>>>>>>  Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>  Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>  Fraid so.
>>>
>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or silent.
>
>>>  That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>
>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>
> Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it needs
> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not working

Now... ...I'm going to use a question mark here, so be prepared:

Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...

....to preserve enough battery LIFE...

....for the phone to have power when you might need it?

That's all one sentence...

....and it ends with a QUESTION MARK.

>
>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>
>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people calling me".
>
> Never said it was

YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:

'You failed to understand the point I was
making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '

On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten times
>>>>>>>>>>> more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the total
>>>>>>>>>>> ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD card
>>>>>>>>>> is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>  How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>  How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>  To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of what
>>>>>>>>> you can do.
>>>>>>>>>  How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>  But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>  There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>
>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>  And I never said you did.
>>
>> You implied it.
>
> Wrong.
>
>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT way
>>>> to share photos.
>
>>>  There was more than just that point under discussion.
>
>> Not that I was discussing.
>
> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
> irrelevant.

And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.

>
> What you were discussing in spades.
>
>> Not that you responded to in your irrelevancy.
>
> Nothing irrelevant about rubbing your nose in your stupidity.

How can talking about something other than what I was talking about "rub
my nose" in anything?

grinch <grinch@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On 04/01/2023 19:8, Alan wrote:
>
>> An SD card IN the phone will get lost or stolen right along WITH the phone.
>
> Your claim is ridiculously short sighted out of your ignorance of sd cards.
>
> Do you really not know how easy it is to copy sd to any pc or flash drive?

Almost as easy as copying photos directly from a phone.

> There has to be about 10 ways to do it, none of which are at all difficult.
>

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:44:30 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if you don't want people calling you and do find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on being
>>>>>>>>>>> the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the phone
>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off without
>>>>>>>>> reading.
>>>>>>>> Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>> Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>
>>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or silent.
>>
>>>> That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>>
>>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>> Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it needs
>> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
>> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not
>> working

> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...

Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.

> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>
> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>
> That's all one sentence...

Nope, dope.

>>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>>
>>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people calling
>>> me".

>> Never said it was

> YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:

Nope, dope.

> 'You failed to understand the point I was
> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '

Never said anything about bothered, stupid.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten times
>>>>>>>>>>>> more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the total
>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD card
>>>>>>>>>>> is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>> How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>> How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>> To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of what
>>>>>>>>>> you can do.
>>>>>>>>>> How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>> But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>> There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>> And I never said you did.
>>>
>>> You implied it.
>> Wrong.
>>
>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT way
>>>>> to share photos.
>>
>>>> There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>
>>> Not that I was discussing.
>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>> irrelevant.
>
> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.

I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.

>> What you were discussing in spades.
>>
>>> Not that you responded to in your irrelevancy.
>> Nothing irrelevant about rubbing your nose in your stupidity.
>
> How can talking about something other than what I was talking about "rub
> my nose" in anything?

When it included that stupidity, stupid.

On 2023-01-04 15:59, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:44:30 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not if you don't want people calling you and do find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on
>>>>>>>>>>>> being the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>>>  I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the phone
>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off
>>>>>>>>>> without reading.
>>>>>>>>>  Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>>>  Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>  Fraid so.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or silent.
>>>
>>>>>  That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>>>
>>>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>>>  Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it needs
>>> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
>>> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not
>>> working
>
>> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
>> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...
>
> Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.
>
>> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>>
>> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>>
>> That's all one sentence...
>
> Nope, dope.

Yup.

'An ellipsis can also be used to depict a small pause or silence in
text, which is ideal for a dramatic effect. Often, the ellipsis comes
before an anticipated part, like the punchline of a joke. The idea is to
build suspense before a big reveal.'

<https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/>

>
>>>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>>>
>>>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people calling
>>>> me".
>
>>>  Never said it was
>
>> YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:
>
> Nope, dope.
>
>> 'You failed to understand the point I was
>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '
>
> Never said anything about bothered, stupid.

You are good at splitting hairs.

It's all your good at...

....but at least it's something.

On 2023-01-04 16:01, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the total
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD
>>>>>>>>>>>> card is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>  How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>  To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> what you can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>>>  But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>>>  There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>>>  And I never said you did.
>>>>
>>>> You implied it.
>>>  Wrong.
>>>
>>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT way
>>>>>> to share photos.
>>>
>>>>>  There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>>
>>>> Not that I was discussing.
>>>  You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>> irrelevant.
>>
>> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.
>
> I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.

By talking about something I wasn't talking about?

How does that work...

....in what you laughingly call your mind?

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:04:18 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 15:59, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:44:30 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if you don't want people calling you and do find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off
>>>>>>>>>>> without reading.
>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>>>> Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or
>>>>>>> silent.
>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>>>> Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it needs
>>>> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
>>>> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not
>>>> working
>>
>>> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
>>> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...
>> Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.
>>
>>> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>>>
>>> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>>>
>>> That's all one sentence...

>> Nope, dope.

> Yup.

Nope.

> 'An ellipsis can also be used to depict a small pause or silence in
> text, which is ideal for a dramatic effect. Often, the ellipsis comes
> before an anticipated part, like the punchline of a joke. The idea is to
> build suspense before a big reveal.'

There wasn't just one ellipse, stupid.

> <https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/>

>>>>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people calling
>>>>> me".
>>
>>>> Never said it was
>>
>>> YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:
>> Nope, dope.
>>
>>> 'You failed to understand the point I was
>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:05:14 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 16:01, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> card is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>> To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>>>> But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>>>> There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>>>> And I never said you did.
>>>>>
>>>>> You implied it.
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT way
>>>>>>> to share photos.
>>>>
>>>>>> There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I was discussing.
>>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>> irrelevant.
>>>
>>> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.
>> I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.

> By talking about something I wasn't talking about?

Because you didnt have a clue about what Your Name was talking about.

> How does that work...

Very well indeed when exposing your stupiditys.

<reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

On 2023-01-04 17:53, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:04:18 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 15:59, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:44:30 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not if you don't want people calling you and do find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off
>>>>>>>>>>>> without reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>>>>>  Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>  Fraid so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or
>>>>>>>> silent.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>>>>>  Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it needs
>>>>> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
>>>>> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not
>>>>> working
>>>
>>>> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
>>>> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...
>>>  Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.
>>>
>>>> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>>>>
>>>> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>>>>
>>>> That's all one sentence...
>
>>>  Nope, dope.
>
>> Yup.
>
> Nope.
>
>> 'An ellipsis can also be used to depict a small pause or silence in
>> text, which is ideal for a dramatic effect. Often, the ellipsis comes
>> before an anticipated part, like the punchline of a joke. The idea is
>> to build suspense before a big reveal.'
>
> There wasn't just one ellipse, stupid.
>
>> <https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/>

On 2023-01-04 17:55, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:05:14 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 16:01, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>  But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't run
>>>>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>>>>>  There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>>>>>  And I never said you did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You implied it.
>>>>>  Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT
>>>>>>>> way to share photos.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I was discussing.
>>>>>  You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.
>>>  I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.
>
>> By talking about something I wasn't talking about?
>
> Because you didnt have a clue about what Your Name was talking about.

I knew exactly what he was talking about and addressed my remarks to it.

>
>> How does that work...
>
> Very well indeed when exposing your stupiditys.
>
> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>

Where by "reams" you mean, "seven words".

On 2023-01-04, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Apple, Google, Samsung, Amazon, Best Buy, as well as the three U.S.
> carriers all offer trade-ins. Sometimes the trade-in value is tiny but
> often it's beyond all reason, exceeding the price that was paid for the
> traded-in phone. Walmart has trade-ins via
> <https://walmart.cexchange.com/> but the trade-in values are poor.
>
> And of course most people do NOT buy their phones from Amazon, eBay or
> Google. Costco doesn't sell phones anymore. Most people buy from their
> carrier, taking advantage of subsidies, or direct from the manufacturer.
>
> "Carrier stores control around 85-90 percent of US postpaid phone sales"
> according Wave7 Research, and more than 90% of those devices are from
> Apple or Samsung.
>
> 35% seems pretty low for the percentage of trade-ins and private resale
> but a lot of phones get passed to other family members and by the time
> they are obsolete or broken they have very little value.
>
> "According to CIRP, less than 10% of iPhone or Android users sell their
> old phones. While the vast majority of Android users just keep their
> previous smartphones, almost 30% of iPhone owners give them away in
> trade-in programs." This has been the case for my family. I've traded in
> two iPhones for Android devices and my son traded in his iPhone X for an
> iPhone 13 Pro. So 30% trade-ins for iPhones and "less than 10%" of
> iPhones and Android phones sold by the owner. And no, no one stands on
> the street selling their old phone. They put them up on craigslist,
> Nextdoor, eBay, Swappa, Digicircle, etc..

The actual resale/trade-in value is about 35% of what you claim it is.

The vast majority of people DO NOT sell their phones. Period.
Nobody is going to go through that hassle except people like you.

The vast majority of people DO NOT trade in their phones either.
Again, you have to find just the right hassle at just the right time.

The vast majority of people save it for a spare or give it away.
The resale value for the vast majority is that of a goat turd.

To be accurate, you have to take about 35% of the resale value that you
have calculated as the actual resale value taking that fact into account.

So if you think the resale value is $100, then it's actually only $35 on
average, given only about 35% of people trade or sell by your own numbers.

Any other calculation for resale value is completely bogus.

On 04/01/2023 21:33, Alan wrote:

> So you have to take additional...
>
> ...manual...
>
> ...steps to back up the data that is on that SD card in that one slot.

Are you really that stupid?
You don't know that Android phones have Wi-Fi?
And USB?

Even so, the iPHone will always cost more for photo storage.

Apple designed it to be that way.
Google didn't.

>
>>
>> 200MB of iPhone storage is a LOT more expensive than that, no matter how
>> you count that iPhone storage (local to the phone or via iCloud).
>>
>> The iPhone will always be more expensive on photo storage than Android.
>
> Not once you make the Android phone do what the iPhone will do.

You're so stupid you don't even know Android phones have Wi-Fi on them?
And USB?

Go away.

Come back when you learn that to copy anything off of Android is as simple
as connecting to your Wi-Fi or even simpler if you use the USB cable.

Come back only after you figure out that Android phones have Wi-Fi & USB.

On 04/01/2023 23:46, Chris wrote:

>> Do you really not know how easy it is to copy sd to any pc or flash drive?
>
> Almost as easy as copying photos directly from a phone.

You know that it's easy.
I know that it's easy.
It's that idiot Alan who doesn't know this.

Anyway, what's that got to do with the overall cost of photo storage is
always going to be much higher for iPhones than for Android phones?

Apple designed it to be that way.
Google didn't.

iPhone primary storage costs a lot more than Android secondary storage.
It's never going to be anything else so iPhones always cost more.

On 2023-01-04 18:36, grinch wrote:
> On 04/01/2023 23:46, Chris wrote:
>
>>> Do you really not know how easy it is to copy sd to any pc or flash
>>> drive?
>>
>> Almost as easy as copying photos directly from a phone.
>
> You know that it's easy. I know that it's easy.
> It's that idiot Alan who doesn't know this.

I know it's easy to do...

....for any single time.

Doing it consistently so that you have an up-to-date backup is the trick.

>
> Anyway, what's that got to do with the overall cost of photo storage is
> always going to be much higher for iPhones than for Android phones?
>
> Apple designed it to be that way.
> Google didn't.
>
> iPhone primary storage costs a lot more than Android secondary storage.
> It's never going to be anything else so iPhones always cost more.

But you get something more for your money.

On 2023-01-04 18:31, grinch wrote:
> On 04/01/2023 21:33, Alan wrote:
>
>> So you have to take additional...
>>
>> ...manual...
>>
>> ...steps to back up the data that is on that SD card in that one slot.
>
> Are you really that stupid?
> You don't know that Android phones have Wi-Fi?
> And USB?

So, you think that only people who own a PC should be able to do backups?

>
> Even so, the iPHone will always cost more for photo storage.
>
> Apple designed it to be that way.
> Google didn't.
>

And you get something for it.

>>
>>>
>>> 200MB of iPhone storage is a LOT more expensive than that, no matter how
>>> you count that iPhone storage (local to the phone or via iCloud).
>>>
>>> The iPhone will always be more expensive on photo storage than Android.
>>
>> Not once you make the Android phone do what the iPhone will do.
>
> You're so stupid you don't even know Android phones have Wi-Fi on them?
> And USB?
>
> Go away.
> Come back when you learn that to copy anything off of Android is as simple
> as connecting to your Wi-Fi or even simpler if you use the USB cable.
>
> Come back only after you figure out that Android phones have Wi-Fi & USB.

I know it's simple.

I also know that people are bad at remembering to do repetitive tasks...

....like copying all the data from their phone on a regular basis.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:20:09 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 17:53, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:04:18 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 15:59, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:44:30 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 15:06, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:07 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:29:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:21, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:53:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:46, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:05:21 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:04, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:07:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 01:02, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:04:28 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 17:00, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 08:40:35 +1100, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 13:25, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 21:11:09 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-03 05:20, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't generally use apps and mostly just keep a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone on-hand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not powered up, for when I need to make a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call away from home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if someone needs to call you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...because it's urgent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and you keep your cell phone turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about as stupid an idea as I have ever heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will make you happy then ... I've never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone of any kind, and probably never will. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any point at all in *me* having one - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply yet another unnecessary on-going expense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying out to greedy telecoms companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That makes me completely happy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having mobile phone at all is a valid choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having one, paying for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but not taking full advantage of what you're paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for is just stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if you don't want people calling you and do find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't seem to be aware that you can put the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on silent / do not disturb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do in fact do that twice most days, when I am sleeping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then what was the bullshit about not having it turned on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being the way to handle not wanting people calling you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. I ACTUALLY said that if you find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful in an emergency or even something simple like the car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping working and dont want people calling you, it can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car not working so that you don't have to charge it every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was the point under discussion when you popped off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't have replied without reading, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you failed to understand what you read.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit I did. You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's a good reason to put the phone on "Do Not Disturb" or
>>>>>>>>> silent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't save the battery, stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you actually have a battery life problem, ...
>>>>>> Not talking about battery life, JUST talking about how often it
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>> to be charged so its useful in an emergency or even something simple
>>>>>> like the car stopping working and dont want people calling you, it
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> make sense to turn it off when it isnt an emergency or the car not
>>>>>> working
>>>>
>>>>> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
>>>>> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...
>>>> Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.
>>>>
>>>>> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all one sentence...
>>
>>>> Nope, dope.
>>
>>> Yup.
>> Nope.
>>
>>> 'An ellipsis can also be used to depict a small pause or silence in
>>> text, which is ideal for a dramatic effect. Often, the ellipsis comes
>>> before an anticipated part, like the punchline of a joke. The idea is
>>> to build suspense before a big reveal.'
>> There wasn't just one ellipse, stupid.
>>
>>> <https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/>
>
> And that's a purely stylistic choice.
>
>>
>>>>>>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people
>>>>>>> calling me".
>>>>
>>>>>> Never said it was
>>>>
>>>>> YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:
>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>
>>>>> 'You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '
>>
>>>> Never said anything about bothered, stupid.
>>
>>> You are good at splitting hairs.
>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:21:34 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-01-04 17:55, chop wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:05:14 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-04 16:01, chop wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2 arms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>>>>>> There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>>>>>> And I never said you did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You implied it.
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT
>>>>>>>>> way to share photos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not that I was discussing.
>>>>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.
>>>> I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.
>>
>>> By talking about something I wasn't talking about?
>> Because you didnt have a clue about what Your Name was talking about.

> I knew exactly what he was talking about and addressed my remarks to it.

But never had a fucking clue why it works better in his situation
to turn the phone off instead of using do not disturb.

>>> How does that work...
>> Very well indeed when exposing your stupiditys.

<reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

On 2023-01-04 18:47, chop wrote:

>>>>>> Don't you think that the issue of battery life is integral to the
>>>>>> question of whether or not one would NEED to turn off one's phone...
>>>>>  Nope, not when you just want to avoid having to charge it daily.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...to preserve enough battery LIFE...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...for the phone to have power when you might need it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all one sentence...
>>>
>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>
>>>> Yup.
>>>  Nope.
>>>
>>>> 'An ellipsis can also be used to depict a small pause or silence in
>>>> text, which is ideal for a dramatic effect. Often, the ellipsis
>>>> comes before an anticipated part, like the punchline of a joke. The
>>>> idea is to build suspense before a big reveal.'
>>>  There wasn't just one ellipse, stupid.
>>>
>>>> <https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/>
>>
>> And that's a purely stylistic choice.

No rebuttal.

No "stunning [...] rational argument", huh?

>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> ...that would be a reason for turning of your phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The REASON is NOT: "I don't want to be bothered with people
>>>>>>>> calling me".
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Never said it was
>>>>>
>>>>>> YES, that is PRECISELY what you said:
>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'You failed to understand the point I was
>>>>>> making, that there can be a good reason to turn the
>>>>>> phone off if you don't need to answer incoming calls. '
>>>
>>>>>  Never said anything about bothered, stupid.
>>>
>>>> You are good at splitting hairs.
>>>  You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> LOL!
>
> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

And "You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag" is what:
sublime truth?

>
>>>> It's all your good at...
>>>  You aren't even good at bullshitting or anything else either.
>>>
>>>> ...but at least it's something.
>>>  Nope, dope.
>>
>> Funny.
>
> Pathetic in your case.

Reduced to snipping out people's words.

That's what's "pathetic".

:-)

On 2023-01-04 18:49, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:21:34 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-04 17:55, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:05:14 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-04 16:01, chop wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:45:31 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 15:08, chop wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 09:53:46 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 14:05, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:31:57 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 13:22, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:54:08 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 12:48, chop wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 07:06:17 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-04 11:57, Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 10:10:01 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Apple designed photo storage to be five to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone, then you MUST account for that in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total ownership costs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not seriously proposing that passing around an SD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card is an efficient way to share photos, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you NOT understand a single word that anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does NOT having an sd card on the iPhone make it any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to "pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around" photos than it is to have that sd card & choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  To dumb it down to words you can understand, having 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms (Android) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always better than having only 1 arm (iPhone) in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How did you _miss_ that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having two hammers won't let you do what a spanner can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But no iphone can do any more than any android can do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo storage or exchange except maybe the most primitive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> andoids that have so little internal storage that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any cloud app at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> But none of that is the point under discussion, sunshine.
>>>>>>>>>>>  There never is just one point under discussion, moonshine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I never said there was.
>>>>>>>>>  And I never said you did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You implied it.
>>>>>>>  Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the point under discussion was that it is not an EFFICIENT
>>>>>>>>>> way to share photos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  There was more than just that point under discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not that I was discussing.
>>>>>>>  You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet it was to my post you addressed your reply.
>>>>>  I was rubbing your nose in that stupidity of yours, stupid.
>>>
>>>> By talking about something I wasn't talking about?
>>>  Because you didnt have a clue about what Your Name was talking about.
>
>> I knew exactly what he was talking about and addressed my remarks to it.
>
> But never had a fucking clue why it works better in his situation
> to turn the phone off instead of using do not disturb.

You're confused, sunshine.

This sub-thread was not about turning off the phone.

It was about how suggesting that passing around an SD card was a really
stupid suggesting as a method of sharing your photos with people.

I guess you can't hold more than a single thought in your head.

>
>>>> How does that work...
>>>  Very well indeed when exposing your stupiditys.
>
> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>

You're really pretty much a pussy...

....aren't you.

:-)

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:04:19 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

<reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>