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 by: olcott - Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:20 UTC

The conventional definition of incompleteness:
Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))

When we see that the following Prolog expressions satisfy the above
definition of incompleteness then we can see that they are equivalent to
the Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof.

?- G = not(provable(F, G)). % G = ¬(F ⊢ G)
?- G = not(provable(F, not(G))). % G = ¬(F ⊢ ¬G)

When we test the above pair of expressions we find that neither of them
are provable in the Prolog formal system: (SWI-Prolog (threaded, 64
bits, version 7.6.4)

?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).false.
?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, not(G)))).false.

Thus fulfilling the conventional definition of incompleteness, and
proving equivalence to the 1931 Gödel “Incompleteness” sentence. The
1931 Gödel Incompleteness theorem correctly concludes that neither G nor
¬G are provable in F.

The key detail that it leaves out is that neither G nor ¬G are provable
in F because both are erroneous cyclic terms that cannot be resolved in
any formal system what-so-ever.

Prolog detects [and rejects] pathological self reference in the Gödel
sentence

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350789898_Prolog_detects_and_rejects_pathological_self_reference_in_the_Godel_sentence
Gödel analyzed within Wittgenstein's controversial formalization of true
and false: (thus also defeating the Tarski Undefinability theorem)

'True in Russell's system' means, as was said: proved in Russell's
system; and
'false in Russell's system' means: the opposite has been proved in
Russell's system.

Then the above minimal essence of Gödel's logic sentence: φ is construed
as neither true nor false thus (like the liar paradox) simply not a
truth bearer. Gödel would construe this same case as Incomplete(T).

https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf

Thus the simplest way to understand Gödel 1931 Incompleteness is to
understand that is is nothing more than the mistake of trying to
correctly determine the truth value of an expression of language that is
not a truth bearer.

--
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see."
Arthur Schopenhauer

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 by: olcott - Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:31 UTC

On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
>
>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
>
> Prove it... Moron.
>
> Corollary: model theory my ass.
>
> Julio

Prolog detects [and rejects] pathological self reference in the Gödel
sentence

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350789898_Prolog_detects_and_rejects_pathological_self_reference_in_the_Godel_sentence

I already proved my point to everyone knowing Prolog. I reiterated this
same point in Minimal Type Theory in my above paper.

*Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
<Wittgenstein>
8. I imagine someone asking my advice; he says: "I have constructed a
proposition (I will use 'P' to designate it) in Russell's symbolism, and
by means of certain definitions and transformations it can be so
interpreted that it says: 'P is not provable in Russell's system'.
</Wittgenstein>

The following says that:
there exists an φ such that φ is neither provable nor refutable in T:

The conventional definition of incompleteness:
Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))

When we see that the following Prolog expressions satisfy the above
definition of incompleteness then we can see that they are equivalent to
the Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof.

?- G = not(provable(F, G)). % G = ¬(F ⊢ G)
?- G = not(provable(F, not(G))). % G = ¬(F ⊢ ¬G)

When we test the above pair of expressions we find that neither of them
are provable in the Prolog formal system: (SWI-Prolog (threaded, 64
bits, version 7.6.4)

?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).false.
?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, not(G)))).false.

Thus fulfilling the conventional definition of incompleteness, and
proving equivalence to the 1931 Gödel “Incompleteness” sentence. The
1931 Gödel Incompleteness theorem correctly concludes that neither G nor
¬G are provable in F.

The key detail that it leaves out is that neither G nor ¬G are provable
in F because both are erroneous cyclic terms that cannot be resolved in
any formal system what-so-ever.

Gödel analyzed within Wittgenstein's controversial formalization of true
and false: (thus also defeating the Tarski Undefinability theorem)

'True in Russell's system' means, as was said: proved in Russell's
system; and
'false in Russell's system' means: the opposite has been proved in
Russell's system.

Then the above minimal essence of Gödel's logic sentence: φ is construed
as *neither true nor false* thus (*like the liar paradox*) simply not a
truth bearer. Gödel would construe this same case as Incomplete(T)

--
Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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 by: olcott - Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:33 UTC

On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
>>>
>>> Prove it... Moron.
>
> Moron.
>
>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
>>
>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
>
> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
>
> You bloody troll and spammer.
>
> *Plonk*
>
> Julio

When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf

I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.

Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
the notion of incompleteness.

What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
of language fulfills the above logic sentence.

--
Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:44 UTC

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> >> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> >>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> >>>
> >>> Prove it... Moron.
> >
> > Moron.
> >
> >>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> >>
> >> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> >
> > There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> >
> > You bloody troll and spammer.
> >
> > *Plonk*
> >
> > Julio
>
>
> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
>
> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> the notion of incompleteness.
>
> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> --
> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?

It was a card game he was involved in.

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 by: olcott - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:45 UTC

On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
>>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it... Moron.
>>>
>>> Moron.
>>>
>>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
>>>>
>>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
>>>
>>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
>>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
>>>
>>> You bloody troll and spammer.
>>>
>>> *Plonk*
>>>
>>> Julio
>>
>>
>> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
>> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
>>
>> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
>> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
>> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
>> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
>> the notion of incompleteness.
>>
>> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
>> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
>> --
>> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
>
> It was a card game he was involved in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE

--
Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 06:56 UTC

uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> >>>
> >>> Moron.
> >>>
> >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> >>>>
> >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> >>>
> >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> >>>
> >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> >>>
> >>> *Plonk*
> >>>
> >>> Julio
> >>
> >>
> >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> >>
> >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> >> the notion of incompleteness.
> >>
> >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> >> --
> >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> >
> > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> >
> > It was a card game he was involved in.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> --
> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye

have a nice day

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 by: Artist (nickis jobse - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:46 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > >>>
> > >>> Moron.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > >>>
> > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > >>>
> > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > >>>
> > >>> *Plonk*
> > >>>
> > >>> Julio
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > >>
> > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > >>
> > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > >> --
> > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > >
> > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > >
> > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > --
> > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
>
> have a nice day
Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 01:21 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Moron.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Julio
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > >>
> > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > >>
> > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > >
> > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > --
> > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> >
> > have a nice day
> Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?

well I'm gonna do like Siri does when you ask her an off-color question and she says "I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear that " so I'm going to just pretend like I didn't read your post that I'm responding to here I sent you an email in response to your email where you covered several different subjects I responded to them nice and diplomatic sort of Kumbaya-like .. I wish you would concentrate on that instead of this material which you posted here hope you're doing well.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 08:44 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Julio
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > >
> > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > --
> > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > >
> > > have a nice day
> > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> well I'm gonna do like Siri does when you ask her an off-color question and she says "I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear that " so I'm going to just pretend like I didn't read your post that I'm responding to here I sent you an email in response to your email where you covered several different subjects I responded to them nice and diplomatic sort of Kumbaya-like . I wish you would concentrate on that instead of this material which you posted here hope you're doing well.

you need to be careful with what you write my wife did not swindle any money out of me in fact she gave me money she gave me enough money so that I can post here and comp AI philosophy and everything has a big effect on my personality like when I was three I tried to sing and my brother would put his hands over his ears and scream stop singing stop singing you're hurting my ears and that does a lot of good for my singing in fact right now I'm the mezzo soprano at Carnegie Hall and also I've realized that I'm making a response here to you and that there is an infinity of responses I could've made instead of this one I'm going to make or I am making now you see but mathematicians will sit there and argue with you forever that it's not a true infinity because True infinity is just a mass concept whereas when your instantiating comments to someone that's a physical thing or maybe it's not physical one of the two so the number of possible comments I could make it we could just call RFB that's real far killing me big and true infinities would be something like oh Magritte this is not a pipe painting the number of things that the pipe is not would probably be a true Infiniti rather than something that's physical or constructible or I want my dolly

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 09:55 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 2:44:59 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > --
> > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > >
> > > > have a nice day
> > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > well I'm gonna do like Siri does when you ask her an off-color question and she says "I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear that " so I'm going to just pretend like I didn't read your post that I'm responding to here I sent you an email in response to your email where you covered several different subjects I responded to them nice and diplomatic sort of Kumbaya-like .. I wish you would concentrate on that instead of this material which you posted here hope you're doing well.
> you need to be careful with what you write my wife did not swindle any money out of me in fact she gave me money she gave me enough money so that I can post here and comp AI philosophy and everything has a big effect on my personality like when I was three I tried to sing and my brother would put his hands over his ears and scream stop singing stop singing you're hurting my ears and that does a lot of good for my singing in fact right now I'm the mezzo soprano at Carnegie Hall and also I've realized that I'm making a response here to you and that there is an infinity of responses I could've made instead of this one I'm going to make or I am making now you see but mathematicians will sit there and argue with you forever that it's not a true infinity because True infinity is just a mass concept whereas when your instantiating comments to someone that's a physical thing or maybe it's not physical one of the two so the number of possible comments I could make it we could just call RFB that's real far killing me big and true infinities would be something like oh Magritte this is not a pipe painting the number of things that the pipe is not would probably be a true Infiniti rather than something that's physical or constructible or I want my dolly

The fact that you would even make the statement that my wife swindle me out of money proves to me that you're not on my side anymore you hate me you're out to make me feel bad by saying such statements especially here in public where not only will everybody see them now but they will be here forever basically since they go into an information retrieval system I like the information retrieval system they had in the movie Brazil information retrieval system means a system where are you hunt someone down straps into a chair and torture the information out of them kind of funny it's gonna be very hard to continue on with you saying things like my wife swindling money out of me that's just a little below I guess you and Britain there if if you're really in Britain you do have the phrase low blow don't you you do know what that means that's win like two fighters are in the ring in one of them hits the other one like the same thing it's kind of like hitting below the belt or a low blow although low blow could have some type of sexual meaning but what it basically means is is that you said that my wife swindled me out of money is that just really hurts and it proves that we're really not very good friends anymore and probably you won't be coming over here and utilizing the polls in the bar and like I wanted you to the very final thing I have to say about all this just before I go to bed and cry in my pillow is that I want my dolly Partin that is

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Sat, 3 Dec 2022 00:28 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:55:58 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 2:44:59 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > >
> > > > > have a nice day
> > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant.....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > well I'm gonna do like Siri does when you ask her an off-color question and she says "I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear that " so I'm going to just pretend like I didn't read your post that I'm responding to here I sent you an email in response to your email where you covered several different subjects I responded to them nice and diplomatic sort of Kumbaya-like . I wish you would concentrate on that instead of this material which you posted here hope you're doing well.
> > you need to be careful with what you write my wife did not swindle any money out of me in fact she gave me money she gave me enough money so that I can post here and comp AI philosophy and everything has a big effect on my personality like when I was three I tried to sing and my brother would put his hands over his ears and scream stop singing stop singing you're hurting my ears and that does a lot of good for my singing in fact right now I'm the mezzo soprano at Carnegie Hall and also I've realized that I'm making a response here to you and that there is an infinity of responses I could've made instead of this one I'm going to make or I am making now you see but mathematicians will sit there and argue with you forever that it's not a true infinity because True infinity is just a mass concept whereas when your instantiating comments to someone that's a physical thing or maybe it's not physical one of the two so the number of possible comments I could make it we could just call RFB that's real far killing me big and true infinities would be something like oh Magritte this is not a pipe painting the number of things that the pipe is not would probably be a true Infiniti rather than something that's physical or constructible or I want my dolly
> The fact that you would even make the statement that my wife swindle me out of money proves to me that you're not on my side anymore you hate me you're out to make me feel bad by saying such statements especially here in public where not only will everybody see them now but they will be here forever basically since they go into an information retrieval system I like the information retrieval system they had in the movie Brazil information retrieval system means a system where are you hunt someone down straps into a chair and torture the information out of them kind of funny it's gonna be very hard to continue on with you saying things like my wife swindling money out of me that's just a little below I guess you and Britain there if if you're really in Britain you do have the phrase low blow don't you you do know what that means that's win like two fighters are in the ring in one of them hits the other one like the same thing it's kind of like hitting below the belt or a low blow although low blow could have some type of sexual meaning but what it basically means is is that you said that my wife swindled me out of money is that just really hurts and it proves that we're really not very good friends anymore and probably you won't be coming over here and utilizing the polls in the bar and like I wanted you to the very final thing I have to say about all this just before I go to bed and cry in my pillow is that I want my dolly Partin that is

What you wrote is pretty rough as my dad would say. I'm just wondering if our relationship can survive it.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Mon, 5 Dec 2022 15:31 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Moron.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Julio
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > >>
> > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > >>
> > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > >
> > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > --
> > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> >
> > have a nice day
> Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?

Dealbreaker

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From: donstock...@hotmail.com (Don Stockbauer)
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 by: Don Stockbauer - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 08:46 UTC

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Julio
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > >
> > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > --
> > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > >
> > > have a nice day
> > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> Dealbreaker i'm

So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?

Found your passport yet?

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:20 UTC

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > --
> > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > >
> > > > have a nice day
> > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > Dealbreaker i'm
>
> So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
>
> Found your passport yet?

yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.

The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 18:03 UTC

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > >
> > > > > have a nice day
> > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant.....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > Dealbreaker i'm
> >
> > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> >
> > Found your passport yet?
> yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
>
> The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.

yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly

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On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > >
> > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant.....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > >
> > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > >
> > > Found your passport yet?
> > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> >
> > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly

so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.

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 by: Artist (nickis jobse - Wed, 7 Dec 2022 18:38 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > >
> > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > >
> > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > >
> > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
>
> so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.

nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Wed, 7 Dec 2022 23:56 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > >
> > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > >
> > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > >
> > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> >
> > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
>
> nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.

I can't tell from your post whether you approve of me posting here or you don't approve . in any case I've posted more worthwhile stuff to this group than most people have.

I was just saying back when you thought about coming here you could never find your passport ; I do agree with you that it's a dumb idea unless you wanted to tour the Grand Canyon or do other sightseeing.

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From: donstock...@hotmail.com (Don Stockbauer)
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 by: Don Stockbauer - Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:22 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> > >
> > > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> > Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
> >
> > nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.
> I can't tell from your post whether you approve of me posting here or you don't approve . in any case I've posted more worthwhile stuff to this group than most people have.
>
> I was just saying back when you thought about coming here you could never find your passport ; I do agree with you that it's a dumb idea unless you wanted to tour the Grand Canyon or do other sightseeing.

from what I have noticed people who deal with each other online virtually never see each other in person.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Fri, 9 Dec 2022 05:41 UTC

lol On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:22:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> > > >
> > > > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> > > Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
> > >
> > > nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.
> > I can't tell from your post whether you approve of me posting here or you don't approve . in any case I've posted more worthwhile stuff to this group than most people have.
> >
> > I was just saying back when you thought about coming here you could never find your passport ; I do agree with you that it's a dumb idea unless you wanted to tour the Grand Canyon or do other sightseeing.
> from what I have noticed people who deal with each other online virtually never see each other in person.


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 by: Don Stockbauer - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:53 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > >
> > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > >
> > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > >
> > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> >
> > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
>
> nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.

I see a slight evidence here that you might want to resume a conversation . I'm not getting my hopes up too much though. I'll just have to take it easy, don't try to rush anything . Of course it would be better to discuss matters via private email or hand written letter than out here in the public and you did warn me about not abusing comp AI philosophy because there are little children wishing to learn from it . but in any case that's the way it is . I'm so glad that you're not 100% ignoring me that would be disastrous so probably this very posting will jinx everything and everything will go to ruin .

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:25 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > >
> > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > >
> > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > >
> > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> >
> > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
>
> nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.
ok

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Tue, 13 Dec 2022 14:55 UTC

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> > >
> > > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> > Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
> >
> > nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.
> ok

Who is thinking that someday my travels might take me to London and then I could give you a call in wherever you live which I'm not sure of maybe we could like have a dinner together we could pick some point halfway between London and he lives somewhere is Mary Merseyside or Mersey say is that I seem to remember that from your address so then we could like you know meet halfway and have a nice dinner at least something to show for 15 years of interaction and so that's what I was thinking about but the distinct possibility comes that I will never leave Victoria here because I kind a like I'm being held prisoner here show room so I might never get to London so maybe all of this is just what do they call it while spinning or just ruminating or or or just like just dreaming or just don't know

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From: donstock...@hotmail.com (Don Stockbauer)
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 by: Don Stockbauer - Wed, 14 Dec 2022 06:32 UTC

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> > >
> > > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> > Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
> >
> > nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.
> ok

Why travel halfway around the world when you can communicate with someone with a few tippy taps of the keyboard in five minutes.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Thu, 15 Dec 2022 04:05 UTC

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-6, jobsearc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:27:05 PM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:04:01 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:46:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:31:21 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-6, jobsearc....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:56:31 AM UTC, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > uOn Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 11/28/2022 4:44 PM, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:33:32 PM UTC-6, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/28/2022 11:51 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:31:28 UTC+1, _ Olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 11/28/2022 3:46 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 01:20:41 UTC+1, olcott wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> "Gödel sentence in the 1931 incompleteness proof
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is not a truth bearer thus simply untrue"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove it... Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Moron.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Corollary: model theory my ass.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> *Here is how Wittgenstein ties to model theory*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> There is how you quote Wittgenstein *out of context*,
> > > > > > > > > >>> to make him say the exact opposite of what he said.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> You bloody troll and spammer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> *Plonk*
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Julio
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> When I provide word-for-word everything that Wittgenstein said I am
> > > > > > > > > >> providing the complete context. https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I know that Wittgenstein is correct because I formulated his entire
> > > > > > > > > >> rebuttal shortly before I ever heard of him.
> > > > > > > > > >> Incomplete(T) ↔ ∃φ ((T ⊬ φ) ∧ (T ⊬ ¬φ))
> > > > > > > > > >> It is common knowledge that the above definition correctly formalizes
> > > > > > > > > >> the notion of incompleteness.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> What is not common knowledge is that every self-contradictory expression
> > > > > > > > > >> of language fulfills the above logic sentence.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > >> Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Wittgenstein's poker?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It was a card game he was involved in.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5omcY21bE
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Copyright 2022 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > > > > > > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > > > > > > > OMG it wasn't about a card game at all it was about a philosophical argument not an intellectual argument but one that could have resulted in a philosopher with a red hot post poker driven into his eye
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have a nice day
> > > > > > > Don old chap, these men are serious researchers, quit disturbing them I plea, they could just discover something extraordinarily significant....and whilenI'm here how much did your ex-missus swindle from you, its had an extraordinary effect on your personal communications ?
> > > > > > Dealbreaker i'm
> > > > >
> > > > > So , with those words you're aiming for a reconciliation, Nic?
> > > > >
> > > > > Found your passport yet?
> > > > yeah I do that too I kind of keep trying and trying to maintain the relationship and then it becomes obvious that it's doomed so then I lash out in horrible things against my conversational opponent and then that's it you know there's 8 million other people to go and have a conversation with you so it's absolutely no big thing right? Have a nice day.
> > > >
> > > > The Apple dictation keeps putting down million instead of billion it's really irritating.
> > > yeah, it's really hard for me to have a relationship because I just get irritated with people too easily and in this modern lobotomize sheep world we live in you get irritated at somebody they're just gone and if somebody stops communicating with you there's nothing on earth that can get them to communicate again because all they have to do is be lazy and not deal with you I thought of this one funny thing suppose your conversational opponent refuses to talk to you but then you find out information where they can get a kid needs to save their lives so you write to them about that they still won't contact you did rather die than contact you have a nice day I want my Dolly
> >
> > so what is the lesson learned? if you try to get your conversational opponent to establish a video link with you in order to reduce the possibility that they might be a scammer and that person refuses dont actually call that person a scammer because that ends the relationship immediately, what you should do is not call that person a scammer and then just wait and see if that person ever asks you for money , then the relationship is immediately over.
> Since you have found somebody to talk physics and computers with you, there seems no o alterior motive and write to comp.ai.philosophy.
>
> nope I have not found my passport and travelling to the states seems like a dumb idea.

Oh well. Keep in touch.

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