Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android phone,
>> Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is on
>> Android.
>
> This is about why iPhone users prefer iMessage (blue messages) over SMS
> (green messages), and you're *desperately* trying to move the goal post.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I'm going to "try" to converse with you as if you're an adult, ok?

I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young impressionable
non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green message bubbles.

In fact, I think Steve, badgolferman and I all agreed we each have exactly
those kinds of status-conscious kids (some of whom are on my family plan).

> iPhone users prefer iMessage because it's more secure, more reliable,
> and has more functionality than SMS.

Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims, and, given I happen to know
how modern the Android messaging apps are compared to the primitive
iMessage app, as an adult, I must ask you why you feel that me merely
asking you to back up those fabrications, is "changing the goal post" in
this thread.

You're the one making the unsubstantiated sweeping fabrications, not me.
Why do you feel simply asking you to back up your claims is not allowed?

I'm treating you as if you're an adult who has a basis for those claims.

>> Android, you can set the color of conversations to anything you want.
>
> That has nothing to do with why iPhone users prefer iMesage.

You made sweeping unsubstantiated claims of magical imaginary iMessage
functionality. Not me. All I'm asking you to do is back up those claims.

I'm treating you as if you're an adult who has a basis for those claims.

> Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
> more functionality than SMS.

Again, you are welcome to fabricate all sorts of imaginary magical
non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.

However, I'm making the adult point that you didn't back up those claims.
Why is it "changing goal posts" for me to ask you to back up your claims?

I'm treating you as if you're an adult who has a basis for those claims.

>> you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know
>
> You're an idiot troll who thinks I (along with most people here) haven't
> used alternative messaging services. : D And you're desperately trying
> to change the discussion from the OP, which is why iPhone users prefer
> iMessage over SMS.

Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?

HINT: I know why you say that.
Do you?

>> My adult point, Jolly Roger, is that you not only don't know how
>> modern a messaging app can be
>
> *yawn* Of course I do.

DOUBLEHINT: Any time you fabricate imaginary iOS functionality, you call
anyone who asks you to back up your false claims, a troll.

It's why you hear the Wagner group calling anyone a "traitor" who simply
disagrees with their fabricated claims too, Jolly Roger.

>> all you know is the primitive iMessage app...
>
> iMessage isn't an app - it's a service. And your claim that I don't know
> other messaging apps is both false and irrelevant to the discussion of
> why iPhone users prefer iMessage over SMS.

What you forget, Jolly Roger, is I actually know what a modern messaging
app can do (and yes, it's a service also - just as an email app is a
service too as it's not all that useful without the background services).

Since I know what a modern messaging app can do, Jolly Roger...
And since I know what the primitive iMessage app can't do, Jolly Roger...

All I'm asking of you is to back up your sweeping claims of functionality.
I'm treating you as if you're an adult who has a basis for those claims.

>
>> ... but also that you made sweeping fabrications of imaginary iMessage
>> functionality
>
> The record shows I did not.

I'm treating you as if you're an adult who has a basis for your claims.

The fact you made those claims in _this_ very post I'm responding to, means
that you are now denying that you made the sweeping claims that you made.

What kind of person does that?

HINT: The Kremlin does that all the time.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to ask Jolly Roger to act like an adult for once.

Jolly Roger wrote:

> You beat me to it. Kudos. Google's messaging is a hot mess.

Below is an adult point of view based on nospam & JR's comments...

While Android users don't defend Google like iKooks defend Jim Jones' Apple
apps, the _one_ Google "messaging" app you can't beat I think is GV.
*Google Voice*
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-voice/id318698524>

Surprisingly... the iOS Google Voice (which "does" messaging also but not
all that well) gives a user better privacy than Android Google Voice does.

Fancy that adult point of view...
a. Google _does_ make a damn good app afterall, and,
b. The privacy is actually _better_ on iOS than it is on Android.

Who knew.
Certainly not the iKooks.

While I don't expect any iKook to comprehend a word anyone intelligent
says, and while I agree with Jolly Roger that Google can't get their act
together on the "pure" messaging apps, what Google does do that is the best
I can find, is Google Voice functionality (which includes messaging).

Is there anything better than Google Voice for USA phone calls to POTS?

HINT: I wish there were.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to point out Google does have some good messengers.

In article <tt8ulg$35f8d$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> Is there anything better than Google Voice for USA phone calls to POTS?

yes

Alan Browne wrote:

> Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing out to
> Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on Andorid. There
> are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing, there is a curse).

I agree with anyone, yes, even Alan Browne, who makes a sentient adult
observation, where there are _plenty_ of modern messaging apps on Android.

In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage app
does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long ago) do.

*Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases
free, adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>

Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a lot of
things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question is only what
the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already (long ago) do.

nospam wrote:

>> Is there anything better than Google Voice for USA phone calls to POTS?
>
> yes

I wish you weren't lying, so I will ask you to be an adult.

Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is better than
the iOS Google Voice for unlimited free USA phone calls to and from POTS.

HINT: This is a case where I wish you weren't always lying, nospam.

On 2023-02-23 17:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-02-23 15:36, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-23 10:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
>>>>>> HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging
>>>>>> app.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
>>>>> connection to the Android-OS.
>>>>
>>>> Eh? There are plenty third party apps that are quite modern and
>>>> served by strong systems (Signal, for example).
>>>
>>> Those exist on iOS too, or did you forget? Your initial post was
>>> about why iPhone users prefer *iMessage* over *SMS* - not whether
>>> they use alternative messaging apps and services.
>>
>> Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster.
>
> For some reason I thought you were. I seem to have misread. : ) My
> apologies.

I figured as much - no issue.

<S>

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committee

In article <tt8ve1$3a2c2$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> I wish you weren't lying,

maybe you'll get your wish. or maybe not.

> so I will ask you to be an adult.

what fun is that?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY>

> Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is better than

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id300897713>

nospam wrote:

>> I wish you weren't lying,
>
> maybe you'll get your wish. or maybe not.
>
>> so I will ask you to be an adult.
>
> what fun is that?
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY>
>
>> Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is better than
>
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id300897713>

I wish you weren't always lying, nospam.
I wish you didn't own the mentality of a five year old.

I really do.

You have no good intentions.
No heart.
No soul.

You have no intelligence.
No knowledge.
No class.

You're nothing more than the lowest of low-class garbage.
The kind of despicable people you find in the very worst of the slums.

You'd stab your own mother, nospam, in the back, just for the fun of it.
That's the kind of unprepossessing person you truly are.

Nonetheless, my _adult_ point of view was to agree that Google is desperate
to obtain the kind of sticky glue trap Apple has managed with iMessage.

And yet, Google still makes the best USA VOIP app (and the best nav app).
Where Apple doesn't make _any_ best in class apps as far as I'm aware.

Certainly iMessage is primitive in the basic things it simply can't do.

On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Yes, but do they have the poop and pregnant man emojis?
>>
>> ...and this guy accuses the rest of us of trolling...
>
> Given Jolly Roger owns the mentality of a kindergarten kid, it's not
> surprising JR missed the _adult_ point that badgolferman was making.
>
> What badgolferman was answering is _why_ kids love iMessage, and one of the
> reasons is that iMessage has all sorts of "cool to kids" types of emojis.

Actual adults know that there are many features of iMessage that have
nothing to do with emojis which both adults and children can appreciate.

Actual adults know that emojis are used by adults and children, and are
a descendant of emoticons which were created by computer scientist Scott
Fahlman, who proposed what came to be known as "smileys" – :-) and :-( –
in a message on the bulletin board system (BBS) of Carnegie Mellon
University in 1982. Even earlier than that, the first documented use of
an emoticon is by a poet named Robert Herrick, who wrote, "Tumble me
down, and I will sit Upon my ruins, (smiling yet:)".

Actual adults don't go around belittling anyone who happens to use
emojis or particular brands of devices. That's something man-children
with little hate boners do.

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JR

On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android
>>> phone, Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is
>>> on Android.
>>
>> This is about why iPhone users prefer iMessage (blue messages) over
>> SMS (green messages), and you're *desperately* trying to move the
>> goal post.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> I'm going to "try" to converse with you as if you're an adult, ok?
>
> I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
> impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green
> message bubbles.

This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are *desperately*
trying to claim it's only about children or girls is because of your
admitted disrespect of them, including your own young family members.

>> iPhone users prefer iMessage because it's more secure, more reliable,
>> and has more functionality than SMS.
>
> Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims

Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
private, or fully featured as iMessage.

>> Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
>> more functionality than SMS.
>
> Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
> non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.

FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
are end-to-end encrypted.

FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party or
even Apple.

FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
iMessage does not.

FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much functionality
as iMessage.

>>> you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know
>>
>> You're an idiot troll who thinks I (along with most people here) haven't
>> used alternative messaging services.
>
> Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?

You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service, which
is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.

--
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Jolly Roger wrote:

> Actual adults don't go around belittling anyone who happens to use
> emojis or particular brands of devices. That's something man-children
> with little hate boners do.

While _you_ may consider emojis the pinnacle of your ability to express
yourself, I'm with both Steve and badgolferman with an assessment that
actual _adults_ use their resourcefully inventive grasp of the English
language to perform communicative functions while poorly educated people
like you perhaps vastly prefer to more conveniently employ what we may
likely consider to be a plethora of child-like sophomoric symbols instead.

Jolly Roger wrote:

>> I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
>> impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green
>> message bubbles.
>
> This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are *desperately*
> trying to claim it's only about children or girls is because of your
> admitted disrespect of them, including your own young family members.

In continuing to discuss with you this topic as if you're an adult...

Then you tell us what kind of shallow personality actually _cares_ what
color bubble they happen to show up as in a group chat, Jolly Roger.

>> Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
>
> Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
> private, or fully featured as iMessage.

Again if I assume you are an actual adult, Jolly Roger, then I shouldn't
have to point out to you that I have already cited, many times in fact, a
specific modern Android app which I consider (based on the record) to be
far more modern than iMessage, & which is as secure, as private, &
certainly has more features than what you claim for the primitive iMessage.

>>> Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
>>> more functionality than SMS.
>>
>> Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
>> non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.
>
> FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
> are end-to-end encrypted.

Again, Jolly Roger, an _adult_ would comprehend my words, and an adult
would have noticed by now that I provided a cite to a modern Android SMS
app which _is_ end-to-end encrypted based on what is in the record.

To be more clear and blunt, Jolly Roger, I wouldn't have to say this to any
other "adult" but you - but don't you think I know _how_ you think?

Do you think I'm stupid, Jolly Roger?
I've been pointing you to an encrypted app all along - and you missed it.

I (think I) understand you inside and out, Jolly Roger.
You can't conceive of an app that does what you _think_ it can't do.

And yet, it does.
I'm not going to insult you by saying you're too stupid to get it.
But what I am going to recommend is you comprehend what I have said.

Look at the app I provided to you so many times I can't count how many.
It does that you say it doesn't do.

> FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
> iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party or
> even Apple.

Please look at the app I've been pointing to all along, Jolly Roger.

I'm going to treat you as if you are an adult so what we have is a
difference of opinion but you haven't _looked_ at the app and I have.

Which one of us is wrong?
a. The guy who made claims he didn't back up in the least, or,
b. The guy who made claims and who backed them up _every_ time.

> FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
> iMessage does not.

I'm having difficulty treating your completely closed mindset as if I'm
conversing with an actual adult, Jolly Roger, so all I can do is _repeat_
that I pointed you to an app which does what you claim it doesn't do.

You can't disagree with that without even _looking_ at the app, JR.
That's not what an actual adult would have done...

> FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much functionality
> as iMessage.

If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, I would have to point
out that the iMessage functionality is _primitive_ compared to the
functionality in the one app I've been repeatedly pointing you to.

Notice that you haven't backed up a single claim of yours.
And that I backed up _every_ one of mine.

I did what adults are expected to do.

>> Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?
>
> You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
> needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service, which
> is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.

In summary, Jolly Roger, I can't count how many times I've already pointed
to an app which purports to do exactly what you claim it can't do.

If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, then I _expect_ you to
click on the links I provided which backed up _every_ one of my claims.

This is what an actual adult would have done, Jolly Roger...
a. That adult "may" have owned a belief system that is similar to yours.
b. However, that adult "may" have understood my claims to the contrary.
c. That adult would then have _clicked_ on the links I provided many times.

You have to realize, Jolly Roger, that's what an _adult_ would have done.
If, _after_ you read my backup cites, you _then_ disagree, then please do.

Note: I'm desperately trying to treat you as an adult, bearing in mind I've
worked with the smartest people in the world, and you are more difficult to
deal with than any of those people as it's hard to treat you as an adult.

On Feb 23, 2023, Andy Burnelli wrote
(in article<news:tt9h75$3btng$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
>>> impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green
>>> message bubbles.
>>
>> This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are *desperately*
>> trying to claim it's only about children or girls is because of your
>> admitted disrespect of them, including your own young family members.
>
> In continuing to discuss with you this topic as if you're an adult...
>
> Then you tell us what kind of shallow personality actually _cares_ what
> color bubble they happen to show up as in a group chat, Jolly Roger.
>
>>> Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
>>
>> Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
>> private, or fully featured as iMessage.
>
> Again if I assume you are an actual adult, Jolly Roger, then I shouldn't
> have to point out to you that I have already cited, many times in fact, a
> specific modern Android app which I consider (based on the record) to be
> far more modern than iMessage, & which is as secure, as private, &
> certainly has more features than what you claim for the primitive iMessage.
>
>>>> Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
>>>> more functionality than SMS.
>>>
>>> Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
>>> non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.
>>
>> FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
>> are end-to-end encrypted.
>
> Again, Jolly Roger, an _adult_ would comprehend my words, and an adult
> would have noticed by now that I provided a cite to a modern Android SMS
> app which _is_ end-to-end encrypted based on what is in the record.
>
> To be more clear and blunt, Jolly Roger, I wouldn't have to say this to any
> other "adult" but you - but don't you think I know _how_ you think?
>
> Do you think I'm stupid, Jolly Roger?
> I've been pointing you to an encrypted app all along - and you missed it.
>
> I (think I) understand you inside and out, Jolly Roger.
> You can't conceive of an app that does what you _think_ it can't do.
>
> And yet, it does.
> I'm not going to insult you by saying you're too stupid to get it.
> But what I am going to recommend is you comprehend what I have said.
>
> Look at the app I provided to you so many times I can't count how many.
> It does that you say it doesn't do.
>
>> FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
>> iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party or
>> even Apple.
>
> Please look at the app I've been pointing to all along, Jolly Roger.
>
> I'm going to treat you as if you are an adult so what we have is a
> difference of opinion but you haven't _looked_ at the app and I have.
>
> Which one of us is wrong?
> a. The guy who made claims he didn't back up in the least, or,
> b. The guy who made claims and who backed them up _every_ time.
>
>> FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
>> iMessage does not.
>
> I'm having difficulty treating your completely closed mindset as if I'm
> conversing with an actual adult, Jolly Roger, so all I can do is _repeat_
> that I pointed you to an app which does what you claim it doesn't do.
>
> You can't disagree with that without even _looking_ at the app, JR.
> That's not what an actual adult would have done...
>
>> FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much functionality
>> as iMessage.
>
> If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, I would have to point
> out that the iMessage functionality is _primitive_ compared to the
> functionality in the one app I've been repeatedly pointing you to.
>
> Notice that you haven't backed up a single claim of yours.
> And that I backed up _every_ one of mine.
>
> I did what adults are expected to do.
>
>>> Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?
>>
>> You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
>> needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service, which
>> is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.
>
> In summary, Jolly Roger, I can't count how many times I've already pointed
> to an app which purports to do exactly what you claim it can't do.
>
> If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, then I _expect_ you to
> click on the links I provided which backed up _every_ one of my claims.
>
> This is what an actual adult would have done, Jolly Roger...
> a. That adult "may" have owned a belief system that is similar to yours.
> b. However, that adult "may" have understood my claims to the contrary.
> c. That adult would then have _clicked_ on the links I provided many times.
>
> You have to realize, Jolly Roger, that's what an _adult_ would have done.
> If, _after_ you read my backup cites, you _then_ disagree, then please do.
>
> Note: I'm desperately trying to treat you as an adult, bearing in mind I've
> worked with the smartest people in the world, and you are more difficult to
> deal with than any of those people as it's hard to treat you as an adult.

Why would anyone expect Jolly Roger to click on links anyone else provided?

His mind was set ten or more years ago and his opinion is never going to
change just because you showed he was wrong about the Apple messaging app.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing out to
>> Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on Andorid. There
>> are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing, there is a curse).
>
> I agree with anyone, yes, even Alan Browne, who makes a sentient adult
> observation, where there are _plenty_ of modern messaging apps on Android.
>
> In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage app
> does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long ago) do.

imessages works. Look at the latest reviews for PulseSMS and it's not at
something I'd trust to work.

Pulse also requires a separate account to enable most of its features where
all your SMSs are saved to a third party cloud service. This is not free.

> *Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases
> free, adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
>
> Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a lot of
> things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question is only what
> the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already (long ago) do.

If you read it carefully Pulse SMS nothing special with SMSs themselves.
It's just another client.

"How is Pulse SMS different than a normal SMS app?

At its core, Pulse SMS does not work any differently than the SMS app that
came with your phone. Individual apps cannot make connections with your
carrier, so all that Pulse SMS can really do is hand off messages to
Android to be sent. Similar for receiving, Android will receive the
message, then notify any SMS apps on the device."

and

"Pulse SMS provides no specific functionality when messaging between two
Pulse SMS users"

On 2023-02-24, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Actual adults don't go around belittling anyone who happens to use
>> emojis or particular brands of devices. That's something man-children
>> with little hate boners do.
>
> While _you_ may consider emojis the pinnacle of your ability to
> express yourself, I'm with both Steve and badgolferman with an
> assessment that actual _adults_ use their resourcefully inventive
> grasp of the English language to perform communicative functions while
> poorly educated people like you perhaps vastly prefer to more
> conveniently employ what we may likely consider to be a plethora of
> child-like sophomoric symbols instead.

Ok boomer.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-02-24, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
>>> impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer"
>>> green message bubbles.
>>
>> This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are
>> *desperately* trying to claim it's only about children or girls is
>> because of your admitted disrespect of them, including your own young
>> family members.
>
> In continuing to discuss with you this topic as if you're an adult...
>
> Then you tell us what kind of shallow personality actually _cares_
> what color bubble they happen to show up as in a group chat, Jolly
> Roger.

The reason you are *desperately* trying to make this about colors rather
than the actual beneficial features of iMessage compared to SMS is
because of your little Apple hate boner. You are forced to ignore the
real benefits by your irrational hatred of all things Apple.

>>> Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
>>
>> Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
>> private, or fully featured as iMessage.
>
> Again if I assume you are an actual adult, Jolly Roger, then I
> shouldn't have to point out to you that I have already cited, many
> times in fact, a specific modern Android app

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

>>>> Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and
>>>> has more functionality than SMS.
>>>
>>> Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
>>> non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones
>>> religion.
>>
>> FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
>> are end-to-end encrypted.
>
> Again, Jolly Roger, an _adult_ would comprehend my words, and an adult
> would have noticed by now that I provided a cite to a modern Android
> SMS app which _is_ end-to-end encrypted based on what is in the
> record.

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

>> FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
>> iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party
>> or even Apple.
>
> Please look at the app I've been pointing to all along, Jolly Roger.

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

>> FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
>> iMessage does not.
>
> You can't disagree with that without even _looking_ at the app, JR.
> That's not what an actual adult would have done...

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

>> FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much
>> functionality as iMessage.
>
> If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, I would have to
> point out that the iMessage functionality is _primitive_ compared to
> the functionality in the one app I've been repeatedly pointing you to.

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

>>> Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_
>>> claims?
>>
>> You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
>> needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service,
>> which is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.
>
> In summary, Jolly Roger, I can't count how many times I've already
> pointed to an app which purports to do exactly what you claim it can't
> do.

As you know, this isn't about apps. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

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On 2023-02-24, RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
>
> Why would anyone expect Jolly Roger to click on links anyone else
> provided?
>
> His mind was set ten or more years ago and his opinion is never going
> to change just because you showed he was wrong about the Apple
> messaging app.

As you know, this isn't about an app. It's about why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS.

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On 2023-02-24, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing
>>> out to Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on
>>> Andorid. There are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing,
>>> there is a curse).
>>
>> I agree with anyone, yes, even Alan Browne, who makes a sentient
>> adult observation, where there are _plenty_ of modern messaging apps
>> on Android.
>>
>> In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage
>> app does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long
>> ago) do.
>
> imessages works. Look at the latest reviews for PulseSMS and it's not
> at something I'd trust to work.
>
> Pulse also requires a separate account to enable most of its features
> where all your SMSs are saved to a third party cloud service. This is
> not free.

It's also *irrelevant* to the discussion of why iPhone users prefer
iMessage over SMS, which is the original subject of this thread. These
trolls *desperately* want to change the subject to something else and
belittle anyone who happes to use Apple devices.

>> *Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases free,
>> adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
>>
>> Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a
>> lot of things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question
>> is only what the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already
>> (long ago) do.
>
> If you read it carefully Pulse SMS nothing special with SMSs
> themselves. It's just another client.

Exactly.

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ndy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> I wish you weren't lying,
>>
>> maybe you'll get your wish. or maybe not.
>>> so I will ask you to be an adult.
>>
>> what fun is that?
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY>
>>
>>> Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is
>>> better than
>>
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id300897713>
>
> I wish you weren't always lying, nospam.
> I wish you didn't own the mentality of a five year old.
>
> I really do.
>
> You have no good intentions.
> No heart.
> No soul.
>
> You have no intelligence.
> No knowledge.
> No class.
>

*AND NO BOOKS*

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>> In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
>>>> least educated
>>>
>>> send them photos of books.
>>
>> That'll learn 'em!
>
> Apple marketing (brilliantly) appeals to the lowest class of people.
> Low class people like Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Lewis, Jolly Roger et al.
>
> That's just an educated observation and assessment of fact.
>
> My erudite view is an adult point of view based on studying what kind of
> person feels _desperate_ to raise their status by purchasing an iPhone.
>
> I was making the point from observation of Apple marketing and from
> badgolferman's assessment of the article that the lower class & less
> educated, technically speaking, someone is, the more they love Apple.
>
> That's why Apple marketing (brilliantly) caters to the proletariat.
>
> It's clear from the 'bubble conversations' that these low-class Apple
> owners are actually desperate for that iPhone to "raise" their status.
>
> If they had intelligence in terms of technical acumen they wouldn't be
> using an iPhone in the first place, and, if they had class, they wouldn't
> be _desperate_ for a mere marketing gimmick to give them that class.
>
> I do very much realize this conversation is above your comprehension.
>
I admit I think of green bubbles as produced by a lower class of people.
Usually one must go to a bowling alley to meet a kook of Arlen’s stature.
Knuckle dragging plebe constantly dragging the newsgroup into the sewer.

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Hehhehheh...
>>
>> Weak laugh you got there.
>
> Let's put it bluntly that I'm here to explain to you that anyone who buys a
> phone because of the color of the bubbles... is... um... er... ah... what?
>
That you are a green bubbly plebe is one of the least important reasons you
are a despicable douche.
>
> What would _you_ call a person who buys a thousand dollar phone just
> because they want to show up in other people's messages as a certain color?
>
What would “you” call a person who nymshits to engage in obsessive
shitposting about a frickin’ smartphone OS? Arlen.
>
> Do you ever _think_ about the kind of person who does that?
>
You are beneath me you green bubbled plebe. Go blue!

[snip totally useless waste of screen space ranting]

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
>>> least educated, the least technical and by far the most impressionable
>>> of all.
>>
>> Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own
>> family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they happen
>> to use...
>
> Hehhehheh...
>
> You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
>
>> And the insults continue:
>
> You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in your
> entire life, and yet you made sweeping claims of fabricated functionality.
>
> It's interesting that all I did was ask you to back up your sweeping claims
> of fabricated iOS iMessage functionality - and you consider _that_ simple
> adult request of you to back up your own fabricated claims, an insult.
>
Oh the irony coming from an obviously dysfunctional twit talking about
functionality.

I might have just made more posts on this thread alone than I had made for
the past month on this group. You on the other hand demonstrate you have no
life. Sad green bubbled dweeb with iMessage envy.

On Feb 22, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <k5o7v8Fk66oU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger wrote:
> >
> > > > In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
> > > > least educated, the least technical and by far the most
> > > > impressionable of all.
> > >
> > > Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own
> > > family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they
> > > happen to use...
> >
> > Hehhehheh...
>
> Weak laugh you got there.
>
> > You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
>
> That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All I
> did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was "fabricated".
>
> But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
> even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple
> products. That's you, Arlen.
>
> > > And the insults continue:
> >
> > You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
> > your entire life

Interesting. I, for one, had an Android phone before I had a iPhone. I got
the iPhone precisely because the Android (a Honeycomb device) was so shit. It
froze, randomly, without warning, which meant that I could not make calls,
or, more importantly, receive calls, until I rebooted it. How did I reboot
it? I took the battery out, waited 15 seconds, put it back. I once had to do
that 3 times in 24 hours, at which time I decided on getting rid of it and
getting an iPhone instead.

Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and will
never get an Android phone again.

Several users at the office got Android tablets. They were less than thrilled
with the experience, and all traded the Androids in for iPads or MS Surfaces.
Almost all of the Android users at the office are now Apple or MS users.
We’ll be dropping support for Android shortly, there aren’t enough users
to justify the expense.
>
> Wrong. : )

Arlen always is.

On 2023-02-27, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <k5o7v8Fk66oU1@mid.individual.net>):
>> On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>> > Jolly Roger wrote:
>> >
>> > > > In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but
>> > > > they're the least educated, the least technical and by far the
>> > > > most impressionable of all.
>> > >
>> > > Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your
>> > > own family members over something as trivial as the smartphone
>> > > they happen to use...
>> >
>> > Hehhehheh...
>>
>> Weak laugh you got there.
>>
>> > You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not
>> > me.
>>
>> That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All
>> I did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was
>> "fabricated".
>>
>> But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
>> even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple
>> products. That's you, Arlen.
>>
>> > > And the insults continue:
>> >
>> > You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone
>> > in your entire life
>
> Interesting. I, for one, had an Android phone before I had a iPhone. I
> got the iPhone precisely because the Android (a Honeycomb device) was
> so shit. It froze, randomly, without warning, which meant that I could
> not make calls, or, more importantly, receive calls, until I rebooted
> it. How did I reboot it? I took the battery out, waited 15 seconds,
> put it back. I once had to do that 3 times in 24 hours, at which time
> I decided on getting rid of it and getting an iPhone instead.
>
> Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and
> will never get an Android phone again.

Many of us (including me) have had similar experiences with Android
devices, which is why we prefer Apple's products. The zealot trolls here
are forced to pretend we are lying by their tiny, little Apple hate
boners. It's their coping mechanism.

> Several users at the office got Android tablets. They were less than
> thrilled with the experience, and all traded the Androids in for iPads
> or MS Surfaces. Almost all of the Android users at the office are now
> Apple or MS users. We’ll be dropping support for Android shortly,
> there aren’t enough users to justify the expense.
>>
>> Wrong. : )
>
> Arlen always is.

He just lies, constantly.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and
>> will never get an Android phone again.
>
> Many of us (including me) have had similar experiences with Android
> devices, which is why we prefer Apple's products.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I'm going to try to discuss that with you, as if you are an adult... OK?

The real problem, Jolly Roger, is all your so-called knowledge about
Android is about ten years old, and Android has changed a lot since then.

For example, you used to joyfully claim that the app store had more apps
for the iPhone than Android, but now, Android apps put your store to shame.

You used to claim there was tremendous operating system update
fragmentation, but now, almost all the Android OS is updated forever.

Perhaps more importantly, you used to claim that Android had security
holes, but lately the iPhone is the worst smartphone OS on record for that.

> He just lies, constantly.

And yet, you've never found even a fact I've ever stated to not be correct.

Nonetheless, my point is that everything you think you know about Android
is based on your ignorance - and the fact you've never ever read the news.

You have no idea, for example, that iOS dies _soonest_ of all OS's alive.