....and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:

'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:

Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places in
Maps on iPhone.)

Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize places in
My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)

Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard (if
available). You can also select a destination from a category of nearby
services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>

Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting "Search"
using Siri.

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>
>
> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>
> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places in
> Maps on iPhone.)
>
> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
> select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize places in
> My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>
> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
> phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard (if
> available). You can also select a destination from a category of nearby
> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting "Search"
> using Siri.

CarPlay does use Siri.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)

Use Siri to ask a question or to do something.
Siri: Say something like:
“Get directions to the nearest coffee shop”
“Call Eliza Block”
“Play more songs like this one”
“Show me the map”
“What’s my next meeting?”
“What’s the weather for today?”

In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work on CarPlay devices.

https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/

In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?

On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>
>>
>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>
>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places
>> in Maps on iPhone.)
>>
>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
>> select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize
>> places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>
>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
>> phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard
>> (if available). You can also select a destination from a category
>> of nearby services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>
>> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>> "Search" using Siri.
>
> CarPlay does use Siri.
>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call Eliza Block”
> “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the map” “What’s my next
> meeting?” “What’s the weather for today?”

That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.

Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a printer
"uses" the operating system.

You have it backwards.

Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.

Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition facility of iOS.

You can turn off Siri completely, and still use speech-to-text.

>
> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work on
> CarPlay devices.
>
> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>
> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my iPad or
> iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked for you. Maybe
> voice recognition issue?

Operator error, or...

....far more likely...

....deliberate misuse by you.

Post a video including what YOU said.

You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut up, you
lying Little Shit.

On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>
> >>
> >> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>
> >> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places
> >> in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>
> >> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
> >> select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize
> >> places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>
> >> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
> >> phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard
> >> (if available). You can also select a destination from a category
> >> of nearby services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>
> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>
> >> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >> "Search" using Siri.
> >
> > CarPlay does use Siri.
> >
> > https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >
> > Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> > like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call Eliza Block”
> > “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the map” “What’s my next
> > meeting?” “What’s the weather for today?”
> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>
> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a printer
> "uses" the operating system.
>
> You have it backwards.
>
> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>
> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>
> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use speech-to-text.
> >
> > In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work on
> > CarPlay devices.
> >
> > https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >
> > In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my iPad or
> > iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked for you. Maybe
> > voice recognition issue?
> Operator error, or...
>
> ...far more likely...
>
> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>
> Post a video including what YOU said.
>
> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut up, you
> lying Little Shit.

So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.

I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with spoken directions with no manual interaction. That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.

So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.

You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me: (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)

Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?

You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?

Here is what I plan to do:
1. Use a second phone to record the video in order to capture sound.
2. Turn off Siri.
3. Use the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by dictation only.
4. Turn Siri back on.
5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be performed.
6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.

On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>>>
>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
>>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>
>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll
>>>> to select a destination you saved in a collection. (See
>>>> Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>
>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a
>>>> search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
>>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
>>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as Parking
>>>> or Restaurants.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>
>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>
>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call Eliza
>>> Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the map” “What’s
>>> my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for today?”
>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>
>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
>> printer "uses" the operating system.
>>
>> You have it backwards.
>>
>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>
>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
>> facility of iOS.
>>
>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use speech-to-text.
>>>
>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work on
>>> CarPlay devices.
>>>
>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>
>>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my iPad
>>> or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked for you.
>>> Maybe voice recognition issue?
>> Operator error, or...
>>
>> ...far more likely...
>>
>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>
>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>
>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut up,
>> you lying Little Shit.
>
> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other Apple
> apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the search bar.
> Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.

It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.

>
> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice search
> by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to an address.
> That brings up Google maps with spoken directions with no manual
> interaction.

Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google Maps
with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.

> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you
> can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>
> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
>
> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me: (Please
> at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>
> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
> opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?

I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I haven't
had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW doesn't have it.

>
> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error with
> Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?

I wrote nothing remotely like that.

>
> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the video
> in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic in the
> Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by dictation only.
> 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is
> required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the
> 12999 address.

How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?

How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:

"Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".

....hmmm?

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>
> >>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
> >>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll
> >>>> to select a destination you saved in a collection. (See
> >>>> Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a
> >>>> search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
> >>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
> >>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as Parking
> >>>> or Restaurants.'
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>
> >>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>
> >>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call Eliza
> >>> Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the map” “What’s
> >>> my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for today?”
> >> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>
> >> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
> >> printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>
> >> You have it backwards.
> >>
> >> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>
> >> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
> >> facility of iOS.
> >>
> >> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use speech-to-text.
> >>>
> >>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work on
> >>> CarPlay devices.
> >>>
> >>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>
> >>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my iPad
> >>> or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked for you.
> >>> Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >> Operator error, or...
> >>
> >> ...far more likely...
> >>
> >> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>
> >> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>
> >> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut up,
> >> you lying Little Shit.
> >
> > So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other Apple
> > apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the search bar.
> > Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >
> > I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice search
> > by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to an address.
> > That brings up Google maps with spoken directions with no manual
> > interaction.
> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google Maps
> with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> > That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you
> > can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >
> > So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
> >
> > You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me: (Please
> > at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >
> > Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
> > opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?
> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
> voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I haven't
> had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW doesn't have it.
> >
> > You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error with
> > Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >
> > Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the video
> > in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic in the
> > Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by dictation only.
> > 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is
> > required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the
> > 12999 address.
> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>
> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>
> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>
> ...hmmm?

Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3 cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015 CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of first hand knowledge. Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command. Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay platform. FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode. If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps directions: Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.

Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise flawless.

It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link

More links on Siri shortcomings vs. Google:

https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/apple-employees-siri-struggles/

https://www.pocket-lint.com/google-assistant-vs-alexa-vs-siri-personal-assistants/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2021/05/31/check-out-how-google-assistant-and-apples-siri-compare/5255035001/

https://www.androidcentral.com/why-google-assistant-and-alexa-have-unbeatable-lead-siri-bixby-and-rest

https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-siri-vs-amazon-alexa-vs-google-assistant-tests-reveal-which-is-smartest/

On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
>>>>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or
>>>>>> scroll to select a destination you saved in a collection.
>>>>>> (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak
>>>>>> a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
>>>>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
>>>>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as
>>>>>> Parking or Restaurants.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>
>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the
>>>>> map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for
>>>>> today?”
>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>
>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
>>>> printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>
>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>
>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
>>>> facility of iOS.
>>>>
>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work
>>>>> on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked
>>>>> for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>
>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>
>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>
>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>
>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut
>>>> up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>
>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the
>>> search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>
>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice
>>> search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to
>>> an address. That brings up Google maps with spoken directions
>>> with no manual interaction.
>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google
>> Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't use
>>> Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>
>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
>>>
>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>
>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
>>> opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?
>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
>> voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I
>> haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW
>> doesn't have it.
>>>
>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>
>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the
>>> video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic
>>> in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by
>>> dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice
>>> recognition is required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to
>>> try and find the 12999 address.
>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>
>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>
>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>
>> ...hmmm?
>
> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3 cars. My
> Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015 CRV with a
> retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay have taught me
> a lot. At least you were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.

Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.

> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video below
> CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your controlling
> iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.

So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want you to
not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other way.

> Hello Google verbal
> search is not permitted on the CarPlay platform.

So? How is that relevant?

> FYI you can get to
> Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger touches: Map
> screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch combination once Google
> Maps is in full screen mode.

Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in keyboard.

> If not on CarPlay no touching is
> required for Google Maps directions:

Stop mixing these two things up.

> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say
> destination address> takes you to Google Maps with the route up on
> Google Maps and ready to be started from current location. Why not on
> CarPlay? Apple wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and
> Maps. If you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
> request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.

Because, you incredible simpleton:

SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.

You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...

....because Siri can do other things!

You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the microphone
icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to tapping the
microphone icon in Apple
>
> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play video
> with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using Siri/Apple
> Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple levels. Car Play
> will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3
> tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise flawless.
>
> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished at
> about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do their
> processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you wait a
> few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
> >>>>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or
> >>>>>> scroll to select a destination you saved in a collection.
> >>>>>> (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak
> >>>>>> a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
> >>>>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
> >>>>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as
> >>>>>> Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
> >>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the
> >>>>> map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for
> >>>>> today?”
> >>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
> >>>> printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
> >>>> facility of iOS.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work
> >>>>> on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked
> >>>>> for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut
> >>>> up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
> >>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the
> >>> search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> >> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>
> >>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice
> >>> search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to
> >>> an address. That brings up Google maps with spoken directions
> >>> with no manual interaction.
> >> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google
> >> Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't use
> >>> Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>
> >>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
> >>>
> >>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
> >>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>
> >>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
> >>> opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?
> >> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
> >> voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I
> >> haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW
> >> doesn't have it.
> >>>
> >>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
> >>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> >> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>
> >>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the
> >>> video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic
> >>> in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by
> >>> dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice
> >>> recognition is required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to
> >>> try and find the 12999 address.
> >> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>
> >> ...hmmm?
> >
> > Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3 cars. My
> > Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015 CRV with a
> > retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay have taught me
> > a lot. At least you were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> > Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video below
> > CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your controlling
> > iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want you to
> not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other way.
> > Hello Google verbal
> > search is not permitted on the CarPlay platform.
> So? How is that relevant?
> > FYI you can get to
> > Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger touches: Map
> > screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch combination once Google
> > Maps is in full screen mode.
> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in keyboard..
> > If not on CarPlay no touching is
> > required for Google Maps directions:
> Stop mixing these two things up.
> > Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say
> > destination address> takes you to Google Maps with the route up on
> > Google Maps and ready to be started from current location. Why not on
> > CarPlay? Apple wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and
> > Maps. If you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
> > request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>
> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>
> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
>
> ...because Siri can do other things!
>
> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the microphone
> icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to tapping the
> microphone icon in Apple
> >
> > Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play video
> > with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using Siri/Apple
> > Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple levels. Car Play
> > will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3
> > tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise flawless.
> >
> > It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> > someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished at
> > about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do their
> > processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you wait a
> > few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> more than just allow you to get directions.
>
> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>
> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>
> Can Siri tell if you said:
>
> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>
> or
>
> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>
> ...hmmm?
>
> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>
> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>
> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already knows
> that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The clue was
> Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>
> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not a
> business at all.
>
> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called "Indianapolis
> R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your part, right, Little Shit?
>
> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>
> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked, him...
>
> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
> touchscreen rather than on the road.
>
> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>
> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
> stalk/dox me.
>
> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether you
> are inside or outside your garage.
>
> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception", you're not
> just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps (and not it
> isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another stunning
> misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both use
> voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and then used
> their designed processes to search their respective databases for an answer.
>
> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana"
> in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing it in on your
> iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same result.
>
> Now,
> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>
> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to me—and
> so I say "Indianapolis")
>
> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and they DID
> work.
>
> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying "go to".
>
> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of others)
> is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep speaking (how
> long you can pause while you collect your thoughts) but you need to find
> that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
> is a little dumb).
>
> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it has
> interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go to/two/too
> one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows very quickly what
> happened.
>
> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor care
> carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps didn't
> have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option, huh?
>
> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find YOUR
> business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>
> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that in
> your video, did you?

On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
>>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination
>>>>>>>> or scroll to select a destination you saved in a
>>>>>>>> collection. (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps
>>>>>>>> on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to
>>>>>>>> speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to
>>>>>>>> use the onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also
>>>>>>>> select a destination from a category of nearby
>>>>>>>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
>>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me
>>>>>>> the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather
>>>>>>> for today?”
>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such
>>>>>> as a printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
>>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to
>>>>>>> work on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
>>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or
>>>>>> shut up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
>>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in
>>>>> the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
>>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
>>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with
>>>>> spoken directions with no manual interaction.
>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
>>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't
>>>>> use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
>>>>> videos.
>>>>>
>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
>>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay
>>>>> by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
>>>>> destination?
>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still
>>>> use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works
>>>> because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay
>>>> as my BMW doesn't have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
>>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record
>>>>> the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use
>>>>> the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999
>>>>> address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5.
>>>>> Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be
>>>>> performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.
>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>>>
>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>>
>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>
>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
>>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015
>>> CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay
>>> have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of
>>> first hand knowledge.
>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
>>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your
>>> controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want
>> you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other
>> way.
>>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
>>> platform.
>> So? How is that relevant?
>>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
>>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
>>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in
>> keyboard.
>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
>>> directions:
>> Stop mixing these two things up.
>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to
>>> Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be
>>> started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants
>>> you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are
>>> already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why
>>> does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>>
>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>>
>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
>>
>> ...because Siri can do other things!
>>
>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
>> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
>> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
>>>
>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
>>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using
>>> Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple
>>> levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why?
>>> Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise
>>> flawless.
>>>
>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
>>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished
>>> at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do
>>> their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you
>>> wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
>>
>>>
So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
>> more than just allow you to get directions.
>>
>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>>
>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>>
>> Can Siri tell if you said:
>>
>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>>
>> or
>>
>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>>
>> ...hmmm?
>>
>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>>
>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>>
>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already
>> knows that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The
>> clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>>
>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not
>> a business at all.
>>
>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
>> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your
>> part, right, Little Shit?
>>
>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>>
>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked,
>> him...
>>
>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
>> touchscreen rather than on the road.
>>
>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>>
>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
>> stalk/dox me.
>>
>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether
>> you are inside or outside your garage.
>>
>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
>> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps
>> (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another
>> stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both
>> use voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and
>> then used their designed processes to search their respective
>> databases for an answer.
>>
>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville
>> Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing
>> it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same
>> result.
>>
>> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
>> saying:
>>
>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street". And
>> how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
>> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
>> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to
>> me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
>>
>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and
>> they DID work.
>>
>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying
>> "go to".
>>
>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
>> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep
>> speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your thoughts)
>> but you need to find that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not
>> under "Siri & Search" (which is a little dumb).
>>
>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it
>> has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go
>> to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows
>> very quickly what happened.
>>
>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor
>> care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
>> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps
>> didn't have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option,
>> huh?
>>
>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find
>> YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error.
>> "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>>
>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that
>> in your video, did you?
>
> Alan, Alan, Alan.

On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
>>>>>>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or
>>>>>>>> scroll to select a destination you saved in a collection.
>>>>>>>> (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak
>>>>>>>> a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
>>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
>>>>>>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as
>>>>>>>> Parking or Restaurants.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
>>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the
>>>>>>> map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for
>>>>>>> today?”
>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
>>>>>> printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
>>>>>> facility of iOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work
>>>>>>> on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked
>>>>>>> for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut
>>>>>> up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
>>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the
>>>>> search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice
>>>>> search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to
>>>>> an address. That brings up Google maps with spoken directions
>>>>> with no manual interaction.
>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google
>>>> Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't use
>>>>> Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
>>>>>
>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
>>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
>>>>> opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?
>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
>>>> voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I
>>>> haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW
>>>> doesn't have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
>>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the
>>>>> video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic
>>>>> in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by
>>>>> dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice
>>>>> recognition is required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to
>>>>> try and find the 12999 address.
>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>>>
>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>>
>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>
>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3 cars. My
>>> Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015 CRV with a
>>> retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay have taught me
>>> a lot. At least you were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video below
>>> CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your controlling
>>> iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want you to
>> not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other way.
>>> Hello Google verbal
>>> search is not permitted on the CarPlay platform.
>> So? How is that relevant?
>>> FYI you can get to
>>> Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger touches: Map
>>> screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch combination once Google
>>> Maps is in full screen mode.
>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in keyboard.
>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is
>>> required for Google Maps directions:
>> Stop mixing these two things up.
>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say
>>> destination address> takes you to Google Maps with the route up on
>>> Google Maps and ready to be started from current location. Why not on
>>> CarPlay? Apple wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and
>>> Maps. If you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
>>> request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>>
>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>>
>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
>>
>> ...because Siri can do other things!
>>
>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the microphone
>> icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to tapping the
>> microphone icon in Apple
>>>
>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play video
>>> with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using Siri/Apple
>>> Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple levels. Car Play
>>> will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3
>>> tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise flawless.
>>>
>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
>>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished at
>>> about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do their
>>> processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you wait a
>>> few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
>> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
>> more than just allow you to get directions.
>>
>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>>
>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>>
>> Can Siri tell if you said:
>>
>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>>
>> or
>>
>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>>
>> ...hmmm?
>>
>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>>
>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>>
>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already knows
>> that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The clue was
>> Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>>
>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not a
>> business at all.
>>
>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called "Indianapolis
>> R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your part, right, Little Shit?
>>
>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>>
>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked, him...
>>
>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
>> touchscreen rather than on the road.
>>
>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>>
>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
>> stalk/dox me.
>>
>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether you
>> are inside or outside your garage.
>>
>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception", you're not
>> just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps (and not it
>> isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another stunning
>> misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both use
>> voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and then used
>> their designed processes to search their respective databases for an answer.
>>
>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana"
>> in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing it in on your
>> iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same result.
>>
>> Now,
>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>
>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
>> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
>> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to me—and
>> so I say "Indianapolis")
>>
>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and they DID
>> work.
>>
>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying "go to".
>>
>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of others)
>> is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep speaking (how
>> long you can pause while you collect your thoughts) but you need to find
>> that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
>> is a little dumb).
>>
>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it has
>> interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go to/two/too
>> one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows very quickly what
>> happened.
>>
>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor care
>> carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
>> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps didn't
>> have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option, huh?
>>
>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find YOUR
>> business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>>
>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that in
>> your video, did you?
>
> Alan, Alan, Alan.
>
> Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions programmed into the system.
>
> OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this address. Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and performing the requested task.
>
> What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails. After all, I can choose my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved it. Thanks very much.
>
> Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for better reception.

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
> >>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination
> >>>>>>>> or scroll to select a destination you saved in a
> >>>>>>>> collection. (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps
> >>>>>>>> on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to
> >>>>>>>> speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to
> >>>>>>>> use the onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also
> >>>>>>>> select a destination from a category of nearby
> >>>>>>>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
> >>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me
> >>>>>>> the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather
> >>>>>>> for today?”
> >>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such
> >>>>>> as a printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
> >>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to
> >>>>>>> work on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
> >>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or
> >>>>>> shut up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
> >>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in
> >>>>> the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> >>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
> >>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
> >>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with
> >>>>> spoken directions with no manual interaction.
> >>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
> >>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't
> >>>>> use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
> >>>>> videos.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
> >>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay
> >>>>> by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
> >>>>> destination?
> >>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still
> >>>> use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works
> >>>> because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay
> >>>> as my BMW doesn't have it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
> >>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> >>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record
> >>>>> the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use
> >>>>> the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999
> >>>>> address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5.
> >>>>> Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be
> >>>>> performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.
> >>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>>>
> >>>> ...hmmm?
> >>>
> >>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
> >>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015
> >>> CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay
> >>> have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of
> >>> first hand knowledge.
> >> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> >>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
> >>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your
> >>> controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
> >> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want
> >> you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other
> >> way.
> >>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
> >>> platform.
> >> So? How is that relevant?
> >>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
> >>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
> >>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
> >> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in
> >> keyboard.
> >>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
> >>> directions:
> >> Stop mixing these two things up.
> >>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to
> >>> Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be
> >>> started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants
> >>> you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are
> >>> already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why
> >>> does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
> >> Because, you incredible simpleton:
> >>
> >> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
> >>
> >> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
> >>
> >> ...because Siri can do other things!
> >>
> >> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
> >> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
> >> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
> >>>
> >>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
> >>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using
> >>> Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple
> >>> levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why?
> >>> Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise
> >>> flawless.
> >>>
> >>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> >>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished
> >>> at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do
> >>> their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you
> >>> wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >>>
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> >>
> >>>
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> >> more than just allow you to get directions.
> >>
> >> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
> >>
> >> Note an issue that you need to consider:
> >>
> >> Can Siri tell if you said:
> >>
> >> "go to one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> "go two one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> ...hmmm?
> >>
> >> And show a different outcome for your home address...
> >>
> >> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
> >>
> >> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already
> >> knows that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The
> >> clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
> >>
> >> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not
> >> a business at all.
> >>
> >> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
> >> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your
> >> part, right, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> >> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
> >>
> >> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked,
> >> him...
> >>
> >> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
> >> touchscreen rather than on the road.
> >>
> >> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
> >>
> >> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
> >> stalk/dox me.
> >>
> >> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether
> >> you are inside or outside your garage.
> >>
> >> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
> >> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps
> >> (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another
> >> stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both
> >> use voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and
> >> then used their designed processes to search their respective
> >> databases for an answer.
> >>
> >> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville
> >> Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing
> >> it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same
> >> result.
> >>
> >> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >> saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street". And
> >> how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
> >> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
> >> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to
> >> me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
> >>
> >> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and
> >> they DID work.
> >>
> >> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying
> >> "go to".
> >>
> >> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
> >> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep
> >> speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your thoughts)
> >> but you need to find that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not
> >> under "Siri & Search" (which is a little dumb).
> >>
> >> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it
> >> has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go
> >> to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows
> >> very quickly what happened.
> >>
> >> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor
> >> care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
> >> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps
> >> didn't have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option,
> >> huh?
> >>
> >> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find
> >> YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error.
> >> "FXXXXXXN LLC"
> >>
> >> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that
> >> in your video, did you?
> >
> > Alan, Alan, Alan.
> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
> >
> > Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
> > starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
> > programmed into the system.
> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>
> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with the
> words you spoke.
>
> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did directions, so
> you thought simply speaking an address
> >
> > OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
> > phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it
> > fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my
> > point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this
> > address.
> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
> > Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for
> > Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
> > performing the requested task.
> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google MAPS is
> in the context of a LOCATION.
> >
> > What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on
> > iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't (and
> expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because the
> activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"), but no
> actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>
> Funny that.
> > After all, I can choose
> > my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple
> > forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved
> > it. Thanks very much.
> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>
> Again.
> >
> > Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on
> > the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for
> > better reception.
> Ah, so your video was edited.
>
> Got it.

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
> >>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination
> >>>>>>>> or scroll to select a destination you saved in a
> >>>>>>>> collection. (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps
> >>>>>>>> on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to
> >>>>>>>> speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to
> >>>>>>>> use the onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also
> >>>>>>>> select a destination from a category of nearby
> >>>>>>>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
> >>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me
> >>>>>>> the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather
> >>>>>>> for today?”
> >>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such
> >>>>>> as a printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
> >>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to
> >>>>>>> work on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
> >>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or
> >>>>>> shut up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
> >>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in
> >>>>> the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> >>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
> >>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
> >>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with
> >>>>> spoken directions with no manual interaction.
> >>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
> >>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't
> >>>>> use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
> >>>>> videos.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
> >>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay
> >>>>> by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
> >>>>> destination?
> >>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still
> >>>> use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works
> >>>> because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay
> >>>> as my BMW doesn't have it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
> >>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> >>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record
> >>>>> the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use
> >>>>> the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999
> >>>>> address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5.
> >>>>> Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be
> >>>>> performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.
> >>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>>>
> >>>> ...hmmm?
> >>>
> >>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
> >>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015
> >>> CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay
> >>> have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of
> >>> first hand knowledge.
> >> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> >>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
> >>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your
> >>> controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
> >> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want
> >> you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other
> >> way.
> >>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
> >>> platform.
> >> So? How is that relevant?
> >>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
> >>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
> >>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
> >> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in
> >> keyboard.
> >>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
> >>> directions:
> >> Stop mixing these two things up.
> >>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to
> >>> Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be
> >>> started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants
> >>> you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are
> >>> already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why
> >>> does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
> >> Because, you incredible simpleton:
> >>
> >> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
> >>
> >> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
> >>
> >> ...because Siri can do other things!
> >>
> >> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
> >> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
> >> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
> >>>
> >>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
> >>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using
> >>> Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple
> >>> levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why?
> >>> Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise
> >>> flawless.
> >>>
> >>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> >>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished
> >>> at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do
> >>> their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you
> >>> wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >>>
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> >>
> >>>
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> >> more than just allow you to get directions.
> >>
> >> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
> >>
> >> Note an issue that you need to consider:
> >>
> >> Can Siri tell if you said:
> >>
> >> "go to one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> "go two one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> ...hmmm?
> >>
> >> And show a different outcome for your home address...
> >>
> >> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
> >>
> >> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already
> >> knows that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The
> >> clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
> >>
> >> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not
> >> a business at all.
> >>
> >> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
> >> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your
> >> part, right, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> >> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
> >>
> >> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked,
> >> him...
> >>
> >> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
> >> touchscreen rather than on the road.
> >>
> >> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
> >>
> >> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
> >> stalk/dox me.
> >>
> >> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether
> >> you are inside or outside your garage.
> >>
> >> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
> >> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps
> >> (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another
> >> stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both
> >> use voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and
> >> then used their designed processes to search their respective
> >> databases for an answer.
> >>
> >> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville
> >> Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing
> >> it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same
> >> result.
> >>
> >> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >> saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street". And
> >> how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
> >> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
> >> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to
> >> me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
> >>
> >> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and
> >> they DID work.
> >>
> >> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying
> >> "go to".
> >>
> >> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
> >> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep
> >> speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your thoughts)
> >> but you need to find that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not
> >> under "Siri & Search" (which is a little dumb).
> >>
> >> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it
> >> has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go
> >> to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows
> >> very quickly what happened.
> >>
> >> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor
> >> care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
> >> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps
> >> didn't have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option,
> >> huh?
> >>
> >> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find
> >> YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error.
> >> "FXXXXXXN LLC"
> >>
> >> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that
> >> in your video, did you?
> >
> > Alan, Alan, Alan.
> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
> >
> > Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
> > starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
> > programmed into the system.
> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>
> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with the
> words you spoke.
>
> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did directions, so
> you thought simply speaking an address
> >
> > OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
> > phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it
> > fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my
> > point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this
> > address.
> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
> > Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for
> > Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
> > performing the requested task.
> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google MAPS is
> in the context of a LOCATION.
> >
> > What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on
> > iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't (and
> expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because the
> activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"), but no
> actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>
> Funny that.
> > After all, I can choose
> > my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple
> > forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved
> > it. Thanks very much.
> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>
> Again.
> >
> > Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on
> > the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for
> > better reception.
> Ah, so your video was edited.
>
> Got it.

On 2023-05-25 04:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
>>>>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination
>>>>>>>>>> or scroll to select a destination you saved in a
>>>>>>>>>> collection. (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps
>>>>>>>>>> on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to
>>>>>>>>>> speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to
>>>>>>>>>> use the onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also
>>>>>>>>>> select a destination from a category of nearby
>>>>>>>>>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
>>>>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me
>>>>>>>>> the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather
>>>>>>>>> for today?”
>>>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such
>>>>>>>> as a printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
>>>>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>>>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to
>>>>>>>>> work on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
>>>>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>>>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or
>>>>>>>> shut up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
>>>>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in
>>>>>>> the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
>>>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
>>>>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
>>>>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with
>>>>>>> spoken directions with no manual interaction.
>>>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
>>>>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't
>>>>>>> use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
>>>>>>> videos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
>>>>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay
>>>>>>> by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
>>>>>>> destination?
>>>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still
>>>>>> use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works
>>>>>> because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay
>>>>>> as my BMW doesn't have it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
>>>>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
>>>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record
>>>>>>> the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use
>>>>>>> the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999
>>>>>>> address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5.
>>>>>>> Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be
>>>>>>> performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.
>>>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
>>>>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015
>>>>> CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay
>>>>> have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of
>>>>> first hand knowledge.
>>>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
>>>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
>>>>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your
>>>>> controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
>>>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want
>>>> you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other
>>>> way.
>>>>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
>>>>> platform.
>>>> So? How is that relevant?
>>>>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
>>>>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
>>>>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
>>>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
>>>>> directions:
>>>> Stop mixing these two things up.
>>>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to
>>>>> Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be
>>>>> started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants
>>>>> you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are
>>>>> already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why
>>>>> does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
>>>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>>>>
>>>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>>>>
>>>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
>>>>
>>>> ...because Siri can do other things!
>>>>
>>>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
>>>> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
>>>> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
>>>>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using
>>>>> Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple
>>>>> levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why?
>>>>> Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise
>>>>> flawless.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
>>>>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished
>>>>> at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do
>>>>> their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you
>>>>> wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
>>>>
>>>>>
>> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
>>>> more than just allow you to get directions.
>>>>
>>>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>>>>
>>>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>>>>
>>>> Can Siri tell if you said:
>>>>
>>>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>>>>
>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>
>>>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>>>>
>>>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>>>>
>>>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already
>>>> knows that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The
>>>> clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>>>>
>>>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not
>>>> a business at all.
>>>>
>>>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
>>>> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your
>>>> part, right, Little Shit?
>>>>
>>>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
>>>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>>>>
>>>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked,
>>>> him...
>>>>
>>>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
>>>> touchscreen rather than on the road.
>>>>
>>>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>>>>
>>>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
>>>> stalk/dox me.
>>>>
>>>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether
>>>> you are inside or outside your garage.
>>>>
>>>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
>>>> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps
>>>> (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another
>>>> stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both
>>>> use voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and
>>>> then used their designed processes to search their respective
>>>> databases for an answer.
>>>>
>>>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville
>>>> Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing
>>>> it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same
>>>> result.
>>>>
>>>> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>> saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street". And
>>>> how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
>>>> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
>>>> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to
>>>> me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
>>>>
>>>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and
>>>> they DID work.
>>>>
>>>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying
>>>> "go to".
>>>>
>>>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
>>>> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep
>>>> speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your thoughts)
>>>> but you need to find that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not
>>>> under "Siri & Search" (which is a little dumb).
>>>>
>>>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it
>>>> has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go
>>>> to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows
>>>> very quickly what happened.
>>>>
>>>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor
>>>> care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
>>>> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps
>>>> didn't have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option,
>>>> huh?
>>>>
>>>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find
>>>> YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error.
>>>> "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>>>>
>>>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that
>>>> in your video, did you?
>>>
>>> Alan, Alan, Alan.
>> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
>>>
>>> Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
>>> starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
>>> programmed into the system.
>> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>>
>> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with the
>> words you spoke.
>>
>> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did directions, so
>> you thought simply speaking an address
>>>
>>> OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
>>> phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it
>>> fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my
>>> point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this
>>> address.
>> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
>>> Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for
>>> Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
>>> performing the requested task.
>> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
>> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google MAPS is
>> in the context of a LOCATION.
>>>
>>> What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on
>>> iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
>> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't (and
>> expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because the
>> activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"), but no
>> actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>>
>> Funny that.
>>> After all, I can choose
>>> my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple
>>> forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved
>>> it. Thanks very much.
>> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>>
>> Again.
>>>
>>> Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on
>>> the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for
>>> better reception.
>> Ah, so your video was edited.
>>
>> Got it.
>
> No, the video was not edited. When I started the video session I saw the issue, then started over.

On 2023-05-25 05:15, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the
>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
>>>>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent
>>>>>>>>>> destination or scroll to select a destination you
>>>>>>>>>> saved in a collection. (See Organize places in My
>>>>>>>>>> Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button
>>>>>>>>>> to speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>> button to use the onscreen keyboard (if available).
>>>>>>>>>> You can also select a destination from a category
>>>>>>>>>> of nearby services, such as Parking or
>>>>>>>>>> Restaurants.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop”
>>>>>>>>> “Call Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one”
>>>>>>>>> “Show me the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s
>>>>>>>>> the weather for today?”
>>>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral
>>>>>>>> such as a printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
>>>>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>>>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands
>>>>>>>>> to work on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
>>>>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>>>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up
>>>>>>>> or shut up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and
>>>>>>> other Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic
>>>>>>> icon in the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing
>>>>>>> that out.
>>>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
>>>>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
>>>>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps
>>>>>>> with spoken directions with no manual interaction.
>>>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
>>>>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you
>>>>>>> can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
>>>>>>> videos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay."
>>>>>>> Me: (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use
>>>>>>> CarPlay by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
>>>>>>> destination?
>>>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could
>>>>>> still use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it
>>>>>> works because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play
>>>>>> with CarPlay as my BMW doesn't have it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address
>>>>>>> error with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an
>>>>>>> error?
>>>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to
>>>>>>> record the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off
>>>>>>> Siri. 3. Use the mic in the Maps search bar to try and
>>>>>>> find the 12999 address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri
>>>>>>> back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is
>>>>>>> required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to try and
>>>>>>> find the 12999 address.
>>>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>>>> saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
>>>>>> Street".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
>>>>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's
>>>>> 2015 CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment
>>>>> system/wireless CarPlay have taught me a lot. At least you
>>>>> were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
>>>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
>>>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
>>>>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on
>>>>> your controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice
>>>>> command.
>>>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they
>>>> want you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no
>>>> other way.
>>>>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
>>>>> platform.
>>>> So? How is that relevant?
>>>>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
>>>>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
>>>>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
>>>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon
>>>> in keyboard.
>>>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
>>>>> directions:
>>>> Stop mixing these two things up.
>>>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you
>>>>> to Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to
>>>>> be started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple
>>>>> wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If
>>>>> you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
>>>>> request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense
>>>>> to me.
>>>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>>>>
>>>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>>>>
>>>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps
>>>> app...
>>>>
>>>> ...because Siri can do other things!
>>>>
>>>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
>>>> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
>>>> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
>>>>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out,
>>>>> using Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on
>>>>> multiple levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is
>>>>> enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia,
>>>>> but otherwise flawless.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt
>>>>> by someone with limited experience. Note that the upload
>>>>> finished at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some
>>>>> time to do their processing and make it playable from the
>>>>> cloud. Suggest you wait a few hours before trying access.
>>>>> 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
>>>> more than just allow you to get directions.
>>>>
>>>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>>>> saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
>>>>>> Street".
>>>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>>>>
>>>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>>>>
>>>> Can Siri tell if you said:
>>>>
>>>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>>>>
>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>
>>>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>>>>
>>>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>>>>
>>>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri
>>>> already knows that whatever you say next is going to be a
>>>> destination. The clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>>>>
>>>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB.
>>>> Not a business at all.
>>>>
>>>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
>>>> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on
>>>> your part, right, Little Shit?
>>>>
>>>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
>>>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>>>>
>>>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're
>>>> parked, him...
>>>>
>>>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on
>>>> a touchscreen rather than on the road.
>>>>
>>>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>>>>
>>>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt
>>>> to stalk/dox me.
>>>>
>>>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with
>>>> whether you are inside or outside your garage.
>>>>
>>>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
>>>> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple
>>>> Maps (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just
>>>> another stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and
>>>> Google Maps both use voice-to-text processing to convert what
>>>> you say into text and then used their designed processes to
>>>> search their respective databases for an answer.
>>>>
>>>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field,
>>>> Danville Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri
>>>> whatsoever. Try typing it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll
>>>> get precisely the same result.
>>>>
>>>> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>> saying:
>>>>
>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone
>>>> working perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused
>>>> by "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer
>>>> to me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
>>>>
>>>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions
>>>> and they DID work.
>>>>
>>>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by
>>>> saying "go to".
>>>>
>>>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
>>>> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to
>>>> keep speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your
>>>> thoughts) but you need to find that under
>>>> Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
>>>> is a little dumb).
>>>>
>>>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what
>>>> it has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your
>>>> "go to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it
>>>> shows very quickly what happened.
>>>>
>>>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to
>>>> manor care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving
>>>> directions to HCR ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure
>>>> little clubs Apple Maps didn't have data for, you somehow just
>>>> overlooked that option, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to
>>>> find YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be
>>>> no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>>>>
>>>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show
>>>> that in your video, did you?
>>>
>>> Alan, Alan, Alan.
>> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
>>>
>>> Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
>>> starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
>>> programmed into the system.
>> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>>
>> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with
>> the words you spoke.
>>
>> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did
>> directions, so you thought simply speaking an address
>>>
>>> OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
>>> phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel
>>> Indiana" it fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails.
>>> Thanks, you make my point. Siri requires a very precise spoken
>>> phrase to find this address.
>> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
>>> Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for Google
>>> Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
>>> performing the requested task.
>> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
>> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google
>> MAPS is in the context of a LOCATION.
>>>
>>> What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri"
>>> on iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
>> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
>> (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
>> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay
>> Google"), but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>>
>> Funny that.
>>> After all, I can choose my default browser and email. Why not
>>> voice commands too? Apple forces you to use Siri, a clearly
>>> inferior solution. You just proved it. Thanks very much.
>> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>>
>> Again.
>>>
>>> Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not
>>> on the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the
>>> garage for better reception.
>> Ah, so your video was edited.
>>
>> Got it.
>
> You lie again when you said:
>
> "You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
> (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"),
> but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google"."
>
> We have 7 Google Assistant speaker devices in our home. How many do
> you have?
>
> "OK Google" "Hi Google" and "Hey Google" all activate a device with
> Google Assistant voice response.
>
> The default is "Hey Google":
> https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/9249169?hl=en
>
> You don't have CarPlay in your car and you don't have much experience
> with Google Assistant. You lie when you imply to know these
> technologies based on extensive personal use.

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>
>
> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>
> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places in
> Maps on iPhone.)
>
> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
> select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize places in
> My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>
> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
> phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard (if
> available). You can also select a destination from a category of nearby
> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting "Search"
> using Siri.

When you press the mic button Siri pops up.

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:36:26 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-25 05:15, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the
> >>>>>>>>>> following:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
> >>>>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent
> >>>>>>>>>> destination or scroll to select a destination you
> >>>>>>>>>> saved in a collection. (See Organize places in My
> >>>>>>>>>> Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button
> >>>>>>>>>> to speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard
> >>>>>>>>>> button to use the onscreen keyboard (if available).
> >>>>>>>>>> You can also select a destination from a category
> >>>>>>>>>> of nearby services, such as Parking or
> >>>>>>>>>> Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop”
> >>>>>>>>> “Call Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one”
> >>>>>>>>> “Show me the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s
> >>>>>>>>> the weather for today?”
> >>>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral
> >>>>>>>> such as a printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
> >>>>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>>>>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands
> >>>>>>>>> to work on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
> >>>>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>>>>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up
> >>>>>>>> or shut up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and
> >>>>>>> other Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic
> >>>>>>> icon in the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing
> >>>>>>> that out.
> >>>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
> >>>>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
> >>>>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps
> >>>>>>> with spoken directions with no manual interaction.
> >>>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
> >>>>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you
> >>>>>>> can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
> >>>>>>> videos.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay."
> >>>>>>> Me: (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use
> >>>>>>> CarPlay by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
> >>>>>>> destination?
> >>>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could
> >>>>>> still use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it
> >>>>>> works because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play
> >>>>>> with CarPlay as my BMW doesn't have it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address
> >>>>>>> error with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an
> >>>>>>> error?
> >>>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to
> >>>>>>> record the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off
> >>>>>>> Siri. 3. Use the mic in the Maps search bar to try and
> >>>>>>> find the 12999 address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri
> >>>>>>> back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is
> >>>>>>> required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to try and
> >>>>>>> find the 12999 address.
> >>>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >>>>>> saying:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
> >>>>>> Street".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...hmmm?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
> >>>>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's
> >>>>> 2015 CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment
> >>>>> system/wireless CarPlay have taught me a lot. At least you
> >>>>> were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
> >>>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> >>>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
> >>>>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on
> >>>>> your controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice
> >>>>> command.
> >>>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they
> >>>> want you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no
> >>>> other way.
> >>>>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
> >>>>> platform.
> >>>> So? How is that relevant?
> >>>>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
> >>>>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
> >>>>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
> >>>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon
> >>>> in keyboard.
> >>>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
> >>>>> directions:
> >>>> Stop mixing these two things up.
> >>>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you
> >>>>> to Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to
> >>>>> be started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple
> >>>>> wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If
> >>>>> you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
> >>>>> request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense
> >>>>> to me.
> >>>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
> >>>>
> >>>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps
> >>>> app...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...because Siri can do other things!
> >>>>
> >>>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
> >>>> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
> >>>> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
> >>>>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out,
> >>>>> using Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on
> >>>>> multiple levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is
> >>>>> enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia,
> >>>>> but otherwise flawless.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt
> >>>>> by someone with limited experience. Note that the upload
> >>>>> finished at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some
> >>>>> time to do their processing and make it playable from the
> >>>>> cloud. Suggest you wait a few hours before trying access.
> >>>>> 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> >>>> more than just allow you to get directions.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >>>>>> saying:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
> >>>>>> Street".
> >>>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
> >>>>
> >>>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
> >>>>
> >>>> Can Siri tell if you said:
> >>>>
> >>>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
> >>>>
> >>>> or
> >>>>
> >>>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
> >>>>
> >>>> ...hmmm?
> >>>>
> >>>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
> >>>>
> >>>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri
> >>>> already knows that whatever you say next is going to be a
> >>>> destination. The clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
> >>>>
> >>>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB.
> >>>> Not a business at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
> >>>> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on
> >>>> your part, right, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> >>>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
> >>>>
> >>>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're
> >>>> parked, him...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on
> >>>> a touchscreen rather than on the road.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt
> >>>> to stalk/dox me.
> >>>>
> >>>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with
> >>>> whether you are inside or outside your garage.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
> >>>> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple
> >>>> Maps (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just
> >>>> another stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and
> >>>> Google Maps both use voice-to-text processing to convert what
> >>>> you say into text and then used their designed processes to
> >>>> search their respective databases for an answer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field,
> >>>> Danville Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri
> >>>> whatsoever. Try typing it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll
> >>>> get precisely the same result.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >>>> saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>>> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone
> >>>> working perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused
> >>>> by "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer
> >>>> to me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
> >>>>
> >>>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions
> >>>> and they DID work.
> >>>>
> >>>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by
> >>>> saying "go to".
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
> >>>> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to
> >>>> keep speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your
> >>>> thoughts) but you need to find that under
> >>>> Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
> >>>> is a little dumb).
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what
> >>>> it has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your
> >>>> "go to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it
> >>>> shows very quickly what happened.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to
> >>>> manor care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving
> >>>> directions to HCR ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure
> >>>> little clubs Apple Maps didn't have data for, you somehow just
> >>>> overlooked that option, huh?
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to
> >>>> find YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be
> >>>> no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show
> >>>> that in your video, did you?
> >>>
> >>> Alan, Alan, Alan.
> >> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
> >>> starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
> >>> programmed into the system.
> >> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
> >>
> >> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with
> >> the words you spoke.
> >>
> >> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did
> >> directions, so you thought simply speaking an address
> >>>
> >>> OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
> >>> phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel
> >>> Indiana" it fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails.
> >>> Thanks, you make my point. Siri requires a very precise spoken
> >>> phrase to find this address.
> >> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
> >>> Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for Google
> >>> Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
> >>> performing the requested task.
> >> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
> >> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google
> >> MAPS is in the context of a LOCATION.
> >>>
> >>> What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri"
> >>> on iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
> >> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
> >> (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
> >> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay
> >> Google"), but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
> >>
> >> Funny that.
> >>> After all, I can choose my default browser and email. Why not
> >>> voice commands too? Apple forces you to use Siri, a clearly
> >>> inferior solution. You just proved it. Thanks very much.
> >> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
> >>
> >> Again.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not
> >>> on the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the
> >>> garage for better reception.
> >> Ah, so your video was edited.
> >>
> >> Got it.
> >
> > You lie again when you said:
> >
> > "You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
> > (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
> > the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"),
> > but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google"."
> >
> > We have 7 Google Assistant speaker devices in our home. How many do
> > you have?
> >
> > "OK Google" "Hi Google" and "Hey Google" all activate a device with
> > Google Assistant voice response.
> >
> > The default is "Hey Google":
> > https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/9249169?hl=en
> >
> > You don't have CarPlay in your car and you don't have much experience
> > with Google Assistant. You lie when you imply to know these
> > technologies based on extensive personal use.
> Every Google device I've interacted with uses "Okay Google"
>
> But being wrong about that isn't a lie.
>
> Lying is pretending you can't understand that tapping a microphone icon
> within a mapping app and speaking an address is different from saying
> just an address to a multi-purpose digital assistant.
> >
> > Over on rec.sport.golf your posts are getting zero response. They
> > have you figured out. I'm about the last person on newsgroups you can
> > get a good argument out of. Will you miss me if I go away too?
> >
> > Since I'm already a such a liar already maybe I'll just have to
> > reveal my secret about you after all then go away for good. :-)
> Threats, you Little Shit?
>
> Yeah... ...that's about your style.

On 2023-05-27 06:56, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>
>>
>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
>>
>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite places in
>> Maps on iPhone.)
>>
>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or scroll to
>> select a destination you saved in a collection. (See Organize places in
>> My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>
>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak a search
>> phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the onscreen keyboard (if
>> available). You can also select a destination from a category of nearby
>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>
>> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting "Search"
>> using Siri.
>
> When you press the mic button Siri pops up.

Voice RECOGNITION pops up.

When you press the button microphone button IN MAPS IN CARPLAY...

....you can only give it ADDRESSES...

....because MAPS can't launch other apps.

....or tell you the weather...

....or dial a phone number.

SIRI can do all those things.

On 2023-05-27 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:36:26 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-25 05:15, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent
>>>>>>>>>>>> destination or scroll to select a destination you
>>>>>>>>>>>> saved in a collection. (See Organize places in My
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button
>>>>>>>>>>>> to speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> button to use the onscreen keyboard (if available).
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can also select a destination from a category
>>>>>>>>>>>> of nearby services, such as Parking or
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restaurants.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
>>>>>>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop”
>>>>>>>>>>> “Call Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one”
>>>>>>>>>>> “Show me the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s
>>>>>>>>>>> the weather for today?”
>>>>>>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral
>>>>>>>>>> such as a printer "uses" the operating system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
>>>>>>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
>>>>>>>>>> speech-to-text.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands
>>>>>>>>>>> to work on CarPlay devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
>>>>>>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
>>>>>>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
>>>>>>>>>> Operator error, or...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...far more likely...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up
>>>>>>>>>> or shut up, you lying Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and
>>>>>>>>> other Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic
>>>>>>>>> icon in the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing
>>>>>>>>> that out.
>>>>>>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
>>>>>>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
>>>>>>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps
>>>>>>>>> with spoken directions with no manual interaction.
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
>>>>>>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
>>>>>>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you
>>>>>>>>> can't use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
>>>>>>>>> videos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay."
>>>>>>>>> Me: (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use
>>>>>>>>> CarPlay by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
>>>>>>>>> destination?
>>>>>>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could
>>>>>>>> still use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it
>>>>>>>> works because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play
>>>>>>>> with CarPlay as my BMW doesn't have it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address
>>>>>>>>> error with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an
>>>>>>>>> error?
>>>>>>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to
>>>>>>>>> record the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off
>>>>>>>>> Siri. 3. Use the mic in the Maps search bar to try and
>>>>>>>>> find the 12999 address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri
>>>>>>>>> back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice recognition is
>>>>>>>>> required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to try and
>>>>>>>>> find the 12999 address.
>>>>>>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>>>>>> saying:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>> Street".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
>>>>>>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's
>>>>>>> 2015 CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment
>>>>>>> system/wireless CarPlay have taught me a lot. At least you
>>>>>>> were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
>>>>>> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
>>>>>>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
>>>>>>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on
>>>>>>> your controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice
>>>>>>> command.
>>>>>> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they
>>>>>> want you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no
>>>>>> other way.
>>>>>>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>> So? How is that relevant?
>>>>>>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
>>>>>>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
>>>>>>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
>>>>>> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon
>>>>>> in keyboard.
>>>>>>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
>>>>>>> directions:
>>>>>> Stop mixing these two things up.
>>>>>>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you
>>>>>>> to Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to
>>>>>>> be started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple
>>>>>>> wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If
>>>>>>> you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
>>>>>>> request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense
>>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps
>>>>>> app...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because Siri can do other things!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
>>>>>> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
>>>>>> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
>>>>>>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out,
>>>>>>> using Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on
>>>>>>> multiple levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is
>>>>>>> enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia,
>>>>>>> but otherwise flawless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt
>>>>>>> by someone with limited experience. Note that the upload
>>>>>>> finished at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some
>>>>>>> time to do their processing and make it playable from the
>>>>>>> cloud. Suggest you wait a few hours before trying access.
>>>>>>> 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
>>>>>> more than just allow you to get directions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
>>>>>>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>>>>>> saying:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>> Street".
>>>>>> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can Siri tell if you said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...hmmm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri
>>>>>> already knows that whatever you say next is going to be a
>>>>>> destination. The clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB.
>>>>>> Not a business at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
>>>>>> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on
>>>>>> your part, right, Little Shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
>>>>>> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're
>>>>>> parked, him...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on
>>>>>> a touchscreen rather than on the road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt
>>>>>> to stalk/dox me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with
>>>>>> whether you are inside or outside your garage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
>>>>>> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple
>>>>>> Maps (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just
>>>>>> another stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and
>>>>>> Google Maps both use voice-to-text processing to convert what
>>>>>> you say into text and then used their designed processes to
>>>>>> search their respective databases for an answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field,
>>>>>> Danville Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri
>>>>>> whatsoever. Try typing it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll
>>>>>> get precisely the same result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
>>>>>> saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
>>>>>> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone
>>>>>> working perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused
>>>>>> by "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer
>>>>>> to me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions
>>>>>> and they DID work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by
>>>>>> saying "go to".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
>>>>>> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to
>>>>>> keep speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your
>>>>>> thoughts) but you need to find that under
>>>>>> Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
>>>>>> is a little dumb).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what
>>>>>> it has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your
>>>>>> "go to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it
>>>>>> shows very quickly what happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to
>>>>>> manor care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving
>>>>>> directions to HCR ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure
>>>>>> little clubs Apple Maps didn't have data for, you somehow just
>>>>>> overlooked that option, huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to
>>>>>> find YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be
>>>>>> no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show
>>>>>> that in your video, did you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan, Alan, Alan.
>>>> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
>>>>> starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
>>>>> programmed into the system.
>>>> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>>>>
>>>> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with
>>>> the words you spoke.
>>>>
>>>> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did
>>>> directions, so you thought simply speaking an address
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
>>>>> phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel
>>>>> Indiana" it fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails.
>>>>> Thanks, you make my point. Siri requires a very precise spoken
>>>>> phrase to find this address.
>>>> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
>>>>> Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for Google
>>>>> Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
>>>>> performing the requested task.
>>>> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
>>>> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google
>>>> MAPS is in the context of a LOCATION.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri"
>>>>> on iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
>>>> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
>>>> (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
>>>> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay
>>>> Google"), but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>>>>
>>>> Funny that.
>>>>> After all, I can choose my default browser and email. Why not
>>>>> voice commands too? Apple forces you to use Siri, a clearly
>>>>> inferior solution. You just proved it. Thanks very much.
>>>> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not
>>>>> on the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the
>>>>> garage for better reception.
>>>> Ah, so your video was edited.
>>>>
>>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> You lie again when you said:
>>>
>>> "You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't
>>> (and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
>>> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"),
>>> but no actual example has show you USING "Hey Google"."
>>>
>>> We have 7 Google Assistant speaker devices in our home. How many do
>>> you have?
>>>
>>> "OK Google" "Hi Google" and "Hey Google" all activate a device with
>>> Google Assistant voice response.
>>>
>>> The default is "Hey Google":
>>> https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/9249169?hl=en
>>>
>>> You don't have CarPlay in your car and you don't have much experience
>>> with Google Assistant. You lie when you imply to know these
>>> technologies based on extensive personal use.
>> Every Google device I've interacted with uses "Okay Google"
>>
>> But being wrong about that isn't a lie.
>>
>> Lying is pretending you can't understand that tapping a microphone icon
>> within a mapping app and speaking an address is different from saying
>> just an address to a multi-purpose digital assistant.
>>>
>>> Over on rec.sport.golf your posts are getting zero response. They
>>> have you figured out. I'm about the last person on newsgroups you can
>>> get a good argument out of. Will you miss me if I go away too?
>>>
>>> Since I'm already a such a liar already maybe I'll just have to
>>> reveal my secret about you after all then go away for good. :-)
>> Threats, you Little Shit?
>>
>> Yeah... ...that's about your style.
>
> This is a lie YOU: "and expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because
> the activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"