On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> …
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ;-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > >>>> Little Shit...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > >> Not answered.
> > >>
> > >> Weird, huh?
> > >>
> > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > >>
> > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > >>>> <yawn>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > >>>> Shit.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > >>>> LOL!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > >>>>> lap records.
> > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > >> Not answered.
> > >>
> > >> Weird, huh?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > >>>
> > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > >>> conditions.
> > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > >>>
> > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > >>>
> > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > >>> record is even worse.
> > >> LOL
> > >>
> > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > >> otherwise go.
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> >
> > "WE" know this, do we?
> Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> own reductions in travel, not financials.
>
> Of course, he also said:
> “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
>
> …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
>
> -hh

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> …
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> >>>>>>> significance on it.
> >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> >>>>>> of the same event.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> >>>>>> That's his MO.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> >>>>> that they are coming back.
> >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> >>>> Little Shit...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> >>>>
> >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> >> Not answered.
> >>
> >> Weird, huh?
> >>
> >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> >>
> >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> That's the other car's right rear tire.
> >>>>
> >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> >>>> <yawn>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> >>>> Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> >>>> LOL!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> >>>>> lap records.
> >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> >> Not answered.
> >>
> >> Weird, huh?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> >>>>> anecdotes.
> >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> >>>
> >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> >>> conditions.
> >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> >>>
> >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> >>>
> >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> >>> record is even worse.
> >> LOL
> >>
> >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> >> championship, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> >> otherwise go.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> "WE" know this, do we?
>
> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
> >
> > Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a best time of
> > 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster than your typical race
> > winning times. Dave McKay was second with a 1:11.826, also much
> > faster than your typical times.
> What tires were they on?
> >
> > As for the better tires, why are you not running them too? Personal
> > financial issues holding you back? As you know, I think that is more
> > than a random guess.
> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
> >
> > Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that you won
> > most of your races after faster drivers left FF competition. You did
> > not get better, then field got slower, LOL!

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > >> Not answered.
> > > >>
> > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > >>
> > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > >>
> > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > >>>> Shit.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > >>>> LOL!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > >> Not answered.
> > > >>
> > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > >>> conditions.
> > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > >> LOL
> > > >>
> > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > >>
> > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > >> otherwise go.
> > > >
> > > > LOL!
> > > >
> > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > >
> > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> >
> > Of course, he also said:
> > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> >
> > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> >
>
> I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
>
> After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> love flying to places on our own schedule.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > >> LOL
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL!
> > > > >
> > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > >
> > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > >
> > > Of course, he also said:
> > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > >
> > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > >
> >
> > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> >
> > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> >
> > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> doing more travel.
> > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
>
>
> -hh

On 2023-07-26 09:10, Thomas E. wrote:

> Alan's condo has an estimated value a little less than my 4 BR home.
> Location matters. But there are huge trade-offs. I would not sell my
> home to move to a 500 sq ft Vancouver glorified closet. I can say
> that because my home has about the same closet area as Alan's condo!
> Of course I would be living alone in that Vancouver condo. My wife
> would not be moving with me.

Your wife only stays with you for the accommodations.

Got it, Little Shit. That actually tracks.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > >
> > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > >
> > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > >
> > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > >
> > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> >
> > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> >
> > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> >
> > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.

On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you
>>>>>>> entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by
>>>>>>> COVID and no season championships were awarded by the
>>>>>>> club,
>>>>>> <yawn>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
>>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
>>>>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire
>>>>>>> excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak field with
>>>>>>> no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
>>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
>>>>>> Shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and
>>>>>>> McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1,
>>>>>>> Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the
>>>>>>> 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these
>>>>>>> latest winning lap times are lower than any of your
>>>>>>> winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
>>>>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018
>>>>>>> best lap records.
>>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
>>>>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
>>>> Not answered.
>>>>
>>>> Weird, huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
>>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
>>>>>>> anecdotes.
>>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to
>>>>>> make a reply, Little Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
>>>>> conditions.
>>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
>>>> Shit?
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
>>>>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins
>>>>> over the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your
>>>>> recent record is even worse.
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
>>>> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
>>>> championship, Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
>>>> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life
>>>> and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they
>>>> would otherwise go.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much.
>>> You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know
>>> that post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is
>>> more to your recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health
>>> issues.
>> "WE" know this, do we?
>>
>> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.

Huh.

I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?

>>>
>>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a best
>>> time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster than your
>>> typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second with a
>>> 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
>> What tires were they on?
>>>
>>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
>>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I think
>>> that is more than a random guess.
>> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
>>>
>>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that you
>>> won most of your races after faster drivers left FF competition.
>>> You did not get better, then field got slower, LOL!
>
> You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the first
> weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as close. Also,
> you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you competed, Dave
> finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the 2019 season
> standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and dispute those
> numbers.

You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...

Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.

....and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend through no
fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend through no
fault of my own.

Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":

In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.

Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of them;
74% of the time.

In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of them.

Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.

So the argument you were advancing about current times (where conditions
aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am kind of falls
apart, doesn't it?

>
> In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in 10
> of those. Dispute that if you can.

Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.

>
> In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed against
> Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021 when Allan
> McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you did. Hmmmm. And,
> you bragged about "winning" that weekend.

The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother, who
was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following that,
there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.

I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
status in good order.

As for any supposed "bragging"...

....let's see the quote,

> In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
> Archer in several races.

Erle is a good guy...

....but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.

I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on American
Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is that the
Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the American Racer
tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13 seconds behind over a
total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities over his.

>
> You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway. Have
> been almost since you started racing there. I see no improvement in
> your record other than quality of competition running against you. I
> include equipment in my definition.
>
> As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl and
> McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better racer.
> Then I'll shut up.

1. You don't "don't care" about tires...

....because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and are
happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.

2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.

3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat Dave
McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave finishing
ahead of me.

Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to me.

>
> But,
>
> If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those breaking
> the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If others are
> running better tires why are you not? Explain that please. Else you
> are just a whining loser.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:04:07 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you
> >>>>>>> entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by
> >>>>>>> COVID and no season championships were awarded by the
> >>>>>>> club,
> >>>>>> <yawn>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
> >>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> >>>>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire
> >>>>>>> excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak field with
> >>>>>>> no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> >>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> >>>>>> Shit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and
> >>>>>>> McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1,
> >>>>>>> Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the
> >>>>>>> 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these
> >>>>>>> latest winning lap times are lower than any of your
> >>>>>>> winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
> >>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> >>>>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018
> >>>>>>> best lap records.
> >>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> >>>>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> >>>> Not answered.
> >>>>
> >>>> Weird, huh?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
> >>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> >>>>>>> anecdotes.
> >>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to
> >>>>>> make a reply, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> >>>>> conditions.
> >>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
> >>>> Shit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> >>>>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins
> >>>>> over the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your
> >>>>> recent record is even worse.
> >>>> LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> >>>> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> >>>> championship, Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> >>>> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life
> >>>> and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they
> >>>> would otherwise go.
> >>>
> >>> LOL!
> >>>
> >>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much.
> >>> You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know
> >>> that post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is
> >>> more to your recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health
> >>> issues.
> >> "WE" know this, do we?
> >>
> >> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
> Huh.
>
> I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?
> >>>
> >>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a best
> >>> time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster than your
> >>> typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second with a
> >>> 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
> >> What tires were they on?
> >>>
> >>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
> >>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I think
> >>> that is more than a random guess.
> >> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that you
> >>> won most of your races after faster drivers left FF competition.
> >>> You did not get better, then field got slower, LOL!
> >
> > You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the first
> > weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as close. Also,
> > you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you competed, Dave
> > finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the 2019 season
> > standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and dispute those
> > numbers.
> You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...
>
> Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.
>
> ...and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend through no
> fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend through no
> fault of my own.
>
> Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":
>
> In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.
>
> Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of them;
> 74% of the time.
>
> In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of them.
>
> Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.
>
> So the argument you were advancing about current times (where conditions
> aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am kind of falls
> apart, doesn't it?
> >
> > In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in 10
> > of those. Dispute that if you can.
> Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.
> >
> > In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed against
> > Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021 when Allan
> > McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you did. Hmmmm. And,
> > you bragged about "winning" that weekend.
> The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
> Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother, who
> was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following that,
> there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.
>
> I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
> status in good order.
>
> As for any supposed "bragging"...
>
> ...let's see the quote,
> > In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
> > Archer in several races.
> Erle is a good guy...
>
> ...but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.
>
> I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on American
> Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is that the
> Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the American Racer
> tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13 seconds behind over a
> total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities over his.
> >
> > You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway. Have
> > been almost since you started racing there. I see no improvement in
> > your record other than quality of competition running against you. I
> > include equipment in my definition.
> >
> > As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl and
> > McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better racer.
> > Then I'll shut up.
> 1. You don't "don't care" about tires...
>
> ...because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and are
> happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.
>
> 2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.
>
> 3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat Dave
> McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave finishing
> ahead of me.
>
> Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to me.
> >
> > But,
> >
> > If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those breaking
> > the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If others are
> > running better tires why are you not? Explain that please. Else you
> > are just a whining loser.
> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We actually
> had it added to our rule book:
>
> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the “Hoosier
> Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of the following
> options will be the designated spec tire and the official tire for
> CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming race season should option
> “A” be no longer available from the manufacturer then option “B” will be
> the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be available from their
> respective manufacturers then option “C” will become the Spec tire.
>
> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>
> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and Hoosier R60A
> Club Ford bias ply tire;
>
> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire (P/N 44165 &
> 44170)."
>
> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>
> Oh! Look at that!
>
> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
>
> And the reason the rule is written that way is that the American Racer
> tire—which was used by gentlman's agreement (a concept of which I'm sure
> you have no familiarity) prior to this year—wasn't available last season
> due to a fire at one of American Racer's manufacturing facilities, and
> there was some doubt as to whether or not they would be putting it back
> into production. So last season, as a group we decided to let everyone
> run whichever tires they could get. Some chose to buy Hoosiers and some
> (such as myself) opted to use tires I already owned.
>
> And the reason they are "allowed" this season is that...
>
> Unlike you.
>
> ...we're not Little Shits.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse)..
> > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much.. You
> > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > >
> > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > >
> > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > >
> > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > >
> > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > >
> > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > >
> > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > >
> > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > >
> > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > >
> > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > >
> > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > >
> > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > doing more travel.
> > >
> > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > >
> > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > >
> > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > >
> > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> >
> > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > then back home.
> Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
>
> Calgary ... $206
> Vancouver ... $75
> Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> Portland ... reposition by rental car
> Indy .. $100
>
> Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > both personal and airline flights.
> Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
>
> -hh

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:04:07 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you
> >>>>>>> entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by
> >>>>>>> COVID and no season championships were awarded by the
> >>>>>>> club,
> >>>>>> <yawn>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
> >>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> >>>>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire
> >>>>>>> excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak field with
> >>>>>>> no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> >>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> >>>>>> Shit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and
> >>>>>>> McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1,
> >>>>>>> Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the
> >>>>>>> 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these
> >>>>>>> latest winning lap times are lower than any of your
> >>>>>>> winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
> >>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> >>>>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018
> >>>>>>> best lap records.
> >>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> >>>>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> >>>> Not answered.
> >>>>
> >>>> Weird, huh?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
> >>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> >>>>>>> anecdotes.
> >>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to
> >>>>>> make a reply, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> >>>>> conditions.
> >>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
> >>>> Shit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> >>>>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins
> >>>>> over the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your
> >>>>> recent record is even worse.
> >>>> LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> >>>> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> >>>> championship, Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> >>>> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life
> >>>> and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they
> >>>> would otherwise go.
> >>>
> >>> LOL!
> >>>
> >>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much.
> >>> You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know
> >>> that post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is
> >>> more to your recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health
> >>> issues.
> >> "WE" know this, do we?
> >>
> >> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
> Huh.
>
> I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?
> >>>
> >>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a best
> >>> time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster than your
> >>> typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second with a
> >>> 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
> >> What tires were they on?
> >>>
> >>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
> >>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I think
> >>> that is more than a random guess.
> >> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that you
> >>> won most of your races after faster drivers left FF competition.
> >>> You did not get better, then field got slower, LOL!
> >
> > You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the first
> > weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as close. Also,
> > you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you competed, Dave
> > finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the 2019 season
> > standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and dispute those
> > numbers.
> You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...
>
> Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.
>
> ...and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend through no
> fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend through no
> fault of my own.
>
> Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":
>
> In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.
>
> Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of them;
> 74% of the time.
>
> In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of them.
>
> Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.
>
> So the argument you were advancing about current times (where conditions
> aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am kind of falls
> apart, doesn't it?
> >
> > In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in 10
> > of those. Dispute that if you can.
> Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.
> >
> > In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed against
> > Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021 when Allan
> > McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you did. Hmmmm. And,
> > you bragged about "winning" that weekend.
> The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
> Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother, who
> was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following that,
> there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.
>
> I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
> status in good order.
>
> As for any supposed "bragging"...
>
> ...let's see the quote,
> > In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
> > Archer in several races.
> Erle is a good guy...
>
> ...but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.
>
> I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on American
> Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is that the
> Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the American Racer
> tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13 seconds behind over a
> total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities over his.
> >
> > You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway. Have
> > been almost since you started racing there. I see no improvement in
> > your record other than quality of competition running against you. I
> > include equipment in my definition.
> >
> > As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl and
> > McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better racer.
> > Then I'll shut up.
> 1. You don't "don't care" about tires...
>
> ...because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and are
> happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.
>
> 2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.
>
> 3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat Dave
> McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave finishing
> ahead of me.
>
> Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to me.
> >
> > But,
> >
> > If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those breaking
> > the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If others are
> > running better tires why are you not? Explain that please. Else you
> > are just a whining loser.
> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We actually
> had it added to our rule book:
>
> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the “Hoosier
> Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of the following
> options will be the designated spec tire and the official tire for
> CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming race season should option
> “A” be no longer available from the manufacturer then option “B” will be
> the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be available from their
> respective manufacturers then option “C” will become the Spec tire.
>
> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>
> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and Hoosier R60A
> Club Ford bias ply tire;
>
> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire (P/N 44165 &
> 44170)."
>
> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>
> Oh! Look at that!
>
> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
>
> And the reason the rule is written that way is that the American Racer
> tire—which was used by gentlman's agreement (a concept of which I'm sure
> you have no familiarity) prior to this year—wasn't available last season
> due to a fire at one of American Racer's manufacturing facilities, and
> there was some doubt as to whether or not they would be putting it back
> into production. So last season, as a group we decided to let everyone
> run whichever tires they could get. Some chose to buy Hoosiers and some
> (such as myself) opted to use tires I already owned.
>
> And the reason they are "allowed" this season is that...
>
> Unlike you.
>
> ...we're not Little Shits.

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > >
> > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > >
> > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays ... I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > >
> > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > >
> > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > >
> > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > >
> > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > >
> > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > doing more travel.
> > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > >
> > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > >
> > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > >
> > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > >
> > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > then back home.
> > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> >
> > Calgary ... $206
> > Vancouver ... $75
> > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > Indy .. $100
> >
> > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > both personal and airline flights.
> > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> >
> > -hh
> I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs. Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300. I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas. That does not include supplementary insurance.
>
> You also low-balled the airfare. Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
>
> So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation. Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs. $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to me is not material.
>
> For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any economy seat in an airliner too.

On 2023-07-28 07:28, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:04:07 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at
>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races
>>>>>>>>> you entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was
>>>>>>>>> shorted by COVID and no season championships were
>>>>>>>>> awarded by the club,
>>>>>>>> <yawn>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
>>>>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent
>>>>>>>>> loser Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins
>>>>>>>>> (tire excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak
>>>>>>>>> field with no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only
>>>>>>>>> October race.
>>>>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse",
>>>>>>>> Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer
>>>>>>>>> and McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won
>>>>>>>>> race 1, Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times
>>>>>>>>> were in the 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019
>>>>>>>>> race #1 these latest winning lap times are lower than
>>>>>>>>> any of your winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so
>>>>>>>>> strong after so long away. Their times match their
>>>>>>>>> 2016-2018 best lap records.
>>>>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period
>>>>>>>> is 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
>>>>>> Not answered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weird, huh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
>>>>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
>>>>>>>>> anecdotes.
>>>>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven
>>>>>>>> to make a reply, Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by
>>>>>>> weather conditions.
>>>>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
>>>>>> Shit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your
>>>>>>> 2021-2022 record sucks. A few races against weak
>>>>>>> competition. No wins over the Elites. You were not Elite
>>>>>>> before 2021, and your recent record is even worse.
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in
>>>>>> another class, there's a good chance that I would have won
>>>>>> the 2019 championship, Little Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class
>>>>>> legal (because, while they give more grip, they have a
>>>>>> shorter life and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go
>>>>>> faster than they would otherwise go.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not
>>>>> much. You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We
>>>>> both know that post 2019 things changed, and we both know
>>>>> that there is more to your recent lack of racing than COVID
>>>>> and personal health issues.
>>>> "WE" know this, do we?
>>>>
>>>> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
>> Huh.
>>
>> I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a
>>>>> best time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster
>>>>> than your typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second
>>>>> with a 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
>>>> What tires were they on?
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
>>>>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I
>>>>> think that is more than a random guess.
>>>> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that
>>>>> you won most of your races after faster drivers left FF
>>>>> competition. You did not get better, then field got slower,
>>>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the
>>> first weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as
>>> close. Also, you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you
>>> competed, Dave finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the
>>> 2019 season standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and
>>> dispute those numbers.
>> You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...
>>
>> Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.
>>
>> ...and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend
>> through no fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend
>> through no fault of my own.
>>
>> Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":
>>
>> In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.
>>
>> Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of
>> them; 74% of the time.
>>
>> In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of
>> them.
>>
>> Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.
>>
>> So the argument you were advancing about current times (where
>> conditions aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am
>> kind of falls apart, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in
>>> 10 of those. Dispute that if you can.
>> Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.
>>>
>>> In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed
>>> against Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021
>>> when Allan McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you
>>> did. Hmmmm. And, you bragged about "winning" that weekend.
>> The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
>> Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother,
>> who was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following
>> that, there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.
>>
>> I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
>> status in good order.
>>
>> As for any supposed "bragging"...
>>
>> ...let's see the quote,
>>> In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
>>> Archer in several races.
>> Erle is a good guy...
>>
>> ...but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.
>>
>> I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on
>> American Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is
>> that the Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the
>> American Racer tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13
>> seconds behind over a total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities
>> over his.
>>>
>>> You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway.
>>> Have been almost since you started racing there. I see no
>>> improvement in your record other than quality of competition
>>> running against you. I include equipment in my definition.
>>>
>>> As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl
>>> and McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better
>>> racer. Then I'll shut up.
>> 1. You don't "don't care" about tires...
>>
>> ...because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and
>> are happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.
>>
>> 2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.
>>
>> 3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat
>> Dave McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave
>> finishing ahead of me.
>>
>> Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to
>> me.
>>>
>>> But,
>>>
>>> If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those
>>> breaking the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If
>>> others are running better tires why are you not? Explain that
>>> please. Else you are just a whining loser.
>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We
>> actually had it added to our rule book:
>>
>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the
>> “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of the
>> following options will be the designated spec tire and the official
>> tire for CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming race season
>> should option “A” be no longer available from the manufacturer then
>> option “B” will be the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be
>> available from their respective manufacturers then option “C” will
>> become the Spec tire.
>>
>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>>
>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and Hoosier
>> R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
>>
>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire (P/N
>> 44165 & 44170)."
>>
>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh! Look at that!
>>
>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!

On 2023-07-28 06:46, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:04:07 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at
>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races
>>>>>>>>> you entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was
>>>>>>>>> shorted by COVID and no season championships were
>>>>>>>>> awarded by the club,
>>>>>>>> <yawn>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
>>>>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent
>>>>>>>>> loser Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins
>>>>>>>>> (tire excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak
>>>>>>>>> field with no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only
>>>>>>>>> October race.
>>>>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse",
>>>>>>>> Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer
>>>>>>>>> and McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won
>>>>>>>>> race 1, Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times
>>>>>>>>> were in the 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019
>>>>>>>>> race #1 these latest winning lap times are lower than
>>>>>>>>> any of your winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so
>>>>>>>>> strong after so long away. Their times match their
>>>>>>>>> 2016-2018 best lap records.
>>>>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period
>>>>>>>> is 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
>>>>>> Not answered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weird, huh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
>>>>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
>>>>>>>>> anecdotes.
>>>>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven
>>>>>>>> to make a reply, Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by
>>>>>>> weather conditions.
>>>>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
>>>>>> Shit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your
>>>>>>> 2021-2022 record sucks. A few races against weak
>>>>>>> competition. No wins over the Elites. You were not Elite
>>>>>>> before 2021, and your recent record is even worse.
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in
>>>>>> another class, there's a good chance that I would have won
>>>>>> the 2019 championship, Little Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class
>>>>>> legal (because, while they give more grip, they have a
>>>>>> shorter life and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go
>>>>>> faster than they would otherwise go.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not
>>>>> much. You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We
>>>>> both know that post 2019 things changed, and we both know
>>>>> that there is more to your recent lack of racing than COVID
>>>>> and personal health issues.
>>>> "WE" know this, do we?
>>>>
>>>> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
>> Huh.
>>
>> I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a
>>>>> best time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster
>>>>> than your typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second
>>>>> with a 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
>>>> What tires were they on?
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
>>>>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I
>>>>> think that is more than a random guess.
>>>> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that
>>>>> you won most of your races after faster drivers left FF
>>>>> competition. You did not get better, then field got slower,
>>>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the
>>> first weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as
>>> close. Also, you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you
>>> competed, Dave finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the
>>> 2019 season standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and
>>> dispute those numbers.
>> You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...
>>
>> Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.
>>
>> ...and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend
>> through no fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend
>> through no fault of my own.
>>
>> Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":
>>
>> In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.
>>
>> Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of
>> them; 74% of the time.
>>
>> In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of
>> them.
>>
>> Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.
>>
>> So the argument you were advancing about current times (where
>> conditions aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am
>> kind of falls apart, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in
>>> 10 of those. Dispute that if you can.
>> Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.
>>>
>>> In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed
>>> against Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021
>>> when Allan McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you
>>> did. Hmmmm. And, you bragged about "winning" that weekend.
>> The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
>> Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother,
>> who was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following
>> that, there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.
>>
>> I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
>> status in good order.
>>
>> As for any supposed "bragging"...
>>
>> ...let's see the quote,
>>> In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
>>> Archer in several races.
>> Erle is a good guy...
>>
>> ...but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.
>>
>> I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on
>> American Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is
>> that the Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the
>> American Racer tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13
>> seconds behind over a total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities
>> over his.
>>>
>>> You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway.
>>> Have been almost since you started racing there. I see no
>>> improvement in your record other than quality of competition
>>> running against you. I include equipment in my definition.
>>>
>>> As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl
>>> and McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better
>>> racer. Then I'll shut up.
>> 1. You don't "don't care" about tires...
>>
>> ...because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and
>> are happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.
>>
>> 2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.
>>
>> 3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat
>> Dave McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave
>> finishing ahead of me.
>>
>> Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to
>> me.
>>>
>>> But,
>>>
>>> If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those
>>> breaking the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If
>>> others are running better tires why are you not? Explain that
>>> please. Else you are just a whining loser.
>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We
>> actually had it added to our rule book:
>>
>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the
>> “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of the
>> following options will be the designated spec tire and the official
>> tire for CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming race season
>> should option “A” be no longer available from the manufacturer then
>> option “B” will be the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be
>> available from their respective manufacturers then option “C” will
>> become the Spec tire.
>>
>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>>
>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and Hoosier
>> R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
>>
>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire (P/N
>> 44165 & 44170)."
>>
>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh! Look at that!
>>
>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
>>
>> And the reason the rule is written that way is that the American
>> Racer tire—which was used by gentlman's agreement (a concept of
>> which I'm sure you have no familiarity) prior to this year—wasn't
>> available last season due to a fire at one of American Racer's
>> manufacturing facilities, and there was some doubt as to whether or
>> not they would be putting it back into production. So last season,
>> as a group we decided to let everyone run whichever tires they
>> could get. Some chose to buy Hoosiers and some (such as myself)
>> opted to use tires I already owned.
>>
>> And the reason they are "allowed" this season is that...
>>
>> Unlike you.
>>
>> ...we're not Little Shits.
>
> Liar, Liar Liar

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > >
> > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > >
> > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays ... I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > >
> > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > >
> > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > >
> > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > >
> > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > >
> > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > doing more travel.
> > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > >
> > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > >
> > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > >
> > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > >
> > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > then back home.
> > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> >
> > Calgary ... $206
> > Vancouver ... $75
> > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > Indy .. $100
> >
> > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > both personal and airline flights.
> > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
>
> I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel.. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > >
> > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > >
> > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > then back home.
> > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > >
> > > Calgary ... $206
> > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > Indy .. $100
> > >
> > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> >
> > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> you're going to need a rental either way.
> > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > You also low-balled the airfare.
> Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> of the dates in a month.
> > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > me is not material.
> So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > economy seat in an airliner too.
> Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
>
> -hh

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel.. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > >
> > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > >
> > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > then back home.
> > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > >
> > > Calgary ... $206
> > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > Indy .. $100
> > >
> > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> >
> > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> you're going to need a rental either way.
> > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > You also low-balled the airfare.
> Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> of the dates in a month.
> > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > me is not material.
> So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > economy seat in an airliner too.
> Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
>
> -hh

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > then back home.
> > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > >
> > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > Indy .. $100
> > > >
> > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > >
> > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> >
> > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > you're going to need a rental either way.
> >
> > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> >
> > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> >
> > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> >
> > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> >
> > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> >
> > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > of the dates in a month.
> >
> > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> >
> > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> >
> > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > me is not material.
> >
> > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> >
> > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> >
> > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
>
> First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> ...
> Forgot to mention that the wife got a jury duty notice that has her showing
> up on the Monday we planned to leave here. Now we cannot plan a departure date.
> They say 1-3 days in the notice, but it may settle out of court. So, as of now we
> cannot schedule anything until the day before, or even day, of departure.

Whereas an advantage of having a commercial airline ticket is that they're
pretty much a free 'buy' to get out of an inconvenient Jury Duty notice.

-hh