On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up.. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push.. The difference to
> > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west..
> > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > getting there.
> > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > >
> > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > >
> > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> >
> > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
>
> 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > >
> > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > >
> > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> >
> > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > shut up the sibling would go off.
> Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
>
> -hh

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:46:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-28 06:46, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:04:07 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-07-26 08:14, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at
> >>>>>>>> fault.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races
> >>>>>>>>> you entered you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was
> >>>>>>>>> shorted by COVID and no season championships were
> >>>>>>>>> awarded by the club,
> >>>>>>>> <yawn>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October,
> >>>>>>>>> against a weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent
> >>>>>>>>> loser Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins
> >>>>>>>>> (tire excuse). You won 3 August races against a weak
> >>>>>>>>> field with no Elites. You lost to Fraser in your only
> >>>>>>>>> October race.
> >>>>>>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse",
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer
> >>>>>>>>> and McKay entered all three June 24 races. McKay won
> >>>>>>>>> race 1, Floer races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times
> >>>>>>>>> were in the 1:11 to 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019
> >>>>>>>>> race #1 these latest winning lap times are lower than
> >>>>>>>>> any of your winning times by about 2-3 seconds.
> >>>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so
> >>>>>>>>> strong after so long away. Their times match their
> >>>>>>>>> 2016-2018 best lap records.
> >>>>>>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period
> >>>>>>>> is 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> >>>>>> Not answered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Weird, huh?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s
> >>>>>>>>> winning times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> >>>>>>>>> anecdotes.
> >>>>>>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven
> >>>>>>>> to make a reply, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by
> >>>>>>> weather conditions.
> >>>>>> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little
> >>>>>> Shit?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your
> >>>>>>> 2021-2022 record sucks. A few races against weak
> >>>>>>> competition. No wins over the Elites. You were not Elite
> >>>>>>> before 2021, and your recent record is even worse.
> >>>>>> LOL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Except for being literally run over by another car in
> >>>>>> another class, there's a good chance that I would have won
> >>>>>> the 2019 championship, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class
> >>>>>> legal (because, while they give more grip, they have a
> >>>>>> shorter life and are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go
> >>>>>> faster than they would otherwise go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not
> >>>>> much. You can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We
> >>>>> both know that post 2019 things changed, and we both know
> >>>>> that there is more to your recent lack of racing than COVID
> >>>>> and personal health issues.
> >>>> "WE" know this, do we?
> >>>>
> >>>> Tell "us" what "we" are supposed to know, Little Shit.
> >> Huh.
> >>
> >> I guess you couldn't figure out what "we" know, eh?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like for example, Doug Floer won the 22 July race with a
> >>>>> best time of 1:10.623. That's about 2 or 3 seconds faster
> >>>>> than your typical race winning times. Dave McKay was second
> >>>>> with a 1:11.826, also much faster than your typical times.
> >>>> What tires were they on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the better tires, why are you not running them too?
> >>>>> Personal financial issues holding you back? As you know, I
> >>>>> think that is more than a random guess.
> >>>> Because we made an agreement NOT to, you simpleton.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally, other than calling me names, you have no proof that
> >>>>> you won most of your races after faster drivers left FF
> >>>>> competition. You did not get better, then field got slower,
> >>>>> LOL!
> >>>
> >>> You neglected to mention that in 2019 Dave McKay missed the
> >>> first weekend. Had he raced the results would not have been as
> >>> close. Also, you forgot to mention that of the 16 races where you
> >>> competed, Dave finished ahead of you in 11 of those. I have the
> >>> 2019 season standings printed off and on my desk. Please try and
> >>> dispute those numbers.
> >> You neglected to mention that that was a choice he made...
> >>
> >> Which you have consistently claimed as some failing of mine.
> >>
> >> ...and that I was knocked out of two thirds of a race weekend
> >> through no fault of my own, and missed one third of another weekend
> >> through no fault of my own.
> >>
> >> Some other facts that you seemed to have "neglected":
> >>
> >> In 2019, Dave and I were on track together for 27 sessions.
> >>
> >> Of those 27 sessions, I recorded a faster lap than Dave in 20 of
> >> them; 74% of the time.
> >>
> >> In those sessions, I was the outright fastest lap holder for 17 of
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Eliminate 3 practice sessions and I'm 19 for 24; 79%.
> >>
> >> So the argument you were advancing about current times (where
> >> conditions aren't equal) somehow showing Dave is faster than I am
> >> kind of falls apart, doesn't it?
> >>>
> >>> In the 2021-23 seasons there have been 41 races. You have run in
> >>> 10 of those. Dispute that if you can.
> >> Why would I? Only Little Shits try and twist facts.
> >>>
> >>> In the 10 2021-2023 races you have run you have not competed
> >>> against Doug Floer, Allan McColl or Dave McCay. In fact, in 2021
> >>> when Allan McColl failed to show up for the final weekend, you
> >>> did. Hmmmm. And, you bragged about "winning" that weekend.
> >> The reason I didn't run any races in 2021 except for the last, you
> >> Little Shit, is that I was too busy caring for my younger brother,
> >> who was diagnosed with cancer and died of it that summer. Following
> >> that, there was my widowed sister-in-law and niece to care for.
> >>
> >> I ran one race at the end of the year, simply to keep my licensing
> >> status in good order.
> >>
> >> As for any supposed "bragging"...
> >>
> >> ...let's see the quote,
> >>> In 2022 you placed 3rd in the season standings, and lost to Erle
> >>> Archer in several races.
> >> Erle is a good guy...
> >>
> >> ...but on equal equipment he isn't even close to me.
> >>
> >> I lost to Erle because he was on new Hoosier tires and I was on
> >> American Racers I wanted to use up. Given that the consensus is
> >> that the Hoosier's are good for 1.5-2 seconds a lap over the
> >> American Racer tires, I'd say finishing an aggregate of only 13
> >> seconds behind over a total of 46 race laps speaks to my abilities
> >> over his.
> >>>
> >>> You are the best second-rate SCCBC FF driver at Mission Raceway.
> >>> Have been almost since you started racing there. I see no
> >>> improvement in your record other than quality of competition
> >>> running against you. I include equipment in my definition.
> >>>
> >>> As for tires, I don't care. Enter races and beat Floer, McColl
> >>> and McKay on a regular basis. Prove your claims to being a better
> >>> racer. Then I'll shut up.
> >> 1. You don't "don't care" about tires...
> >>
> >> ...because you're ignorant about what matters in motor racing and
> >> are happy to stay so in order to attempt to slam me.
> >>
> >> 2. Alan McColl is racing in Formula CONTINENTAL now, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> 3. Define "regular basis" for you. Because in 2019, I DID beat
> >> Dave McKay on a regular basis. Head to head, it was 10 to 6 Dave
> >> finishing ahead of me.
> >>
> >> Beating him 37% of the time sure feels like a "regular basis" to
> >> me.
> >>>
> >>> But,
> >>>
> >>> If you FF drivers made an agreement on tires, why are those
> >>> breaking the agreement even allowed to run a better tire? If
> >>> others are running better tires why are you not? Explain that
> >>> please. Else you are just a whining loser.
> >> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We
> >> actually had it added to our rule book:
> >>
> >> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the
> >> “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of the
> >> following options will be the designated spec tire and the official
> >> tire for CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming race season
> >> should option “A” be no longer available from the manufacturer then
> >> option “B” will be the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be
> >> available from their respective manufacturers then option “C” will
> >> become the Spec tire.
> >>
> >> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
> >>
> >> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and Hoosier
> >> R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
> >>
> >> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire (P/N
> >> 44165 & 44170)."
> >>
> >> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh! Look at that!
> >>
> >> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
> >>
> >> And the reason the rule is written that way is that the American
> >> Racer tire—which was used by gentlman's agreement (a concept of
> >> which I'm sure you have no familiarity) prior to this year—wasn't
> >> available last season due to a fire at one of American Racer's
> >> manufacturing facilities, and there was some doubt as to whether or
> >> not they would be putting it back into production. So last season,
> >> as a group we decided to let everyone run whichever tires they
> >> could get. Some chose to buy Hoosiers and some (such as myself)
> >> opted to use tires I already owned.
> >>
> >> And the reason they are "allowed" this season is that...
> >>
> >> Unlike you.
> >>
> >> ...we're not Little Shits.
> >
> > Liar, Liar Liar
> No. Not one of us is the same kind of Little Shit that you are. That's
> the truth.
>
> :-)
> >
> > In 2019 one of the 6 races you claim to have finished ahead of Dave
> > McKay was on May 4. Dave was a DNS on May 4. So in races where you
> > were both running it was 5 out of 16, not 6. What else are you
> > distorting?
> The actual count in races we both finished was 9 to 5 (yeah... ...I
> miscounted by one).
> >
> > Tires: You can buy the same tires as anybody else. Can't you? The
> > tires are all equal if you choose to make them so. You could have
> > bought Hoosiers or others too. You are a shitty driver because you
> > actually choose to lose.
> I could... ...but I chose to respect our gentleman's agreement which has
> become our rule.
>
> But from your reply, it's clear your choice would be to cheat.
>
> :-)
> >
> > Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races. Consistent
> > faster than the field wins races. The fact that you can post a faster
> > best lap and still not win the race actually PROVES what a shitty and
> > inconsistent driver you are.
> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps head-to-head
> against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>
> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
>
> :-)
> >
> > Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for itself.
> Indeed.
>
> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of the races and
> was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per lap faster.
>
> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high performance
> driving day, and I'll school you on what a car can really do...
>
> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good enough to teach....
>
> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>
> :-)

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year.. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury.. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > >
> > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > >
> > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> >
> > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> >
> > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
>
> The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.

On 2023-08-23 05:06, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We
>>>> actually had it added to our rule book:
>>>>
>>>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the
>>>> “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of
>>>> the following options will be the designated spec tire and the
>>>> official tire for CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming
>>>> race season should option “A” be no longer available from the
>>>> manufacturer then option “B” will be the Spec tire. Should
>>>> options “A” and “B” not be available from their respective
>>>> manufacturers then option “C” will become the Spec tire.
>>>>
>>>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>>>>
>>>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and
>>>> Hoosier R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
>>>>
>>>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire
>>>> (P/N 44165 & 44170)."
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh! Look at that!
>>>>
>>>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
>>>>

>>> In 2019 one of the 6 races you claim to have finished ahead of
>>> Dave McKay was on May 4. Dave was a DNS on May 4. So in races
>>> where you were both running it was 5 out of 16, not 6. What else
>>> are you distorting?
>> The actual count in races we both finished was 9 to 5 (yeah...
>> ...I miscounted by one).
>>> Tires: You can buy the same tires as anybody else. Can't you?
>>> The tires are all equal if you choose to make them so. You could
>>> have bought Hoosiers or others too. You are a shitty driver
>>> because you actually choose to lose.
>> I could... ...but I chose to respect our gentleman's agreement
>> which has become our rule.
>>
>> But from your reply, it's clear your choice would be to cheat.
>>
>> 😄
>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact that you
>>> can post a faster best lap and still not win the race actually
>>> PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent driver you are.
>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>>
>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?

Unaddressed, Little Shit?

What a shock.

Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.

>>
>> 😄
>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for itself.
>> Indeed.
>>
>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of the races
>> and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per lap faster.
>>
>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high performance
>> driving day, and I'll school you on what a car can really do...
>>
>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good enough to
>> teach...
>>
>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>
>> 😄
> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave McKay.

I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to be "elite",
you Little Shit.

You agree that's factual, right?

>
> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health issue. I
> am sure you could teach a novice like me a few things. I never
> claimed to be an experienced FF driver.

There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it at all.
I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing license.

And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...

....and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time..
> > > >
> > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > >
> > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > >
> > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> >
> > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> I know.
> > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
>
> -hh

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:49:23 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-23 05:06, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit. We
> >>>> actually had it added to our rule book:
> >>>>
> >>>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to the
> >>>> “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that one of
> >>>> the following options will be the designated spec tire and the
> >>>> official tire for CACC’s Formula F. By February 1 of the coming
> >>>> race season should option “A” be no longer available from the
> >>>> manufacturer then option “B” will be the Spec tire. Should
> >>>> options “A” and “B” not be available from their respective
> >>>> manufacturers then option “C” will become the Spec tire.
> >>>>
> >>>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
> >>>>
> >>>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133 and
> >>>> Hoosier R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
> >>>>
> >>>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford tire
> >>>> (P/N 44165 & 44170)."
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh! Look at that!
> >>>>
> >>>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
> >>>>
> >>> In 2019 one of the 6 races you claim to have finished ahead of
> >>> Dave McKay was on May 4. Dave was a DNS on May 4. So in races
> >>> where you were both running it was 5 out of 16, not 6. What else
> >>> are you distorting?
> >> The actual count in races we both finished was 9 to 5 (yeah...
> >> ...I miscounted by one).
> >>> Tires: You can buy the same tires as anybody else. Can't you?
> >>> The tires are all equal if you choose to make them so. You could
> >>> have bought Hoosiers or others too. You are a shitty driver
> >>> because you actually choose to lose.
> >> I could... ...but I chose to respect our gentleman's agreement
> >> which has become our rule.
> >>
> >> But from your reply, it's clear your choice would be to cheat.
> >>
> >> 😄
> >>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact that you
> >>> can post a faster best lap and still not win the race actually
> >>> PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent driver you are.
> >> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>
> >> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
>
> What a shock.
>
> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
>
> >>
> >> 😄
> >>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for itself.
> >> Indeed.
> >>
> >> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of the races
> >> and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per lap faster.
> >>
> >> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high performance
> >> driving day, and I'll school you on what a car can really do...
> >>
> >> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good enough to
> >> teach...
> >>
> >> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>
> >> 😄
> > You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave McKay.
> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to be "elite",
> you Little Shit.
>
> You agree that's factual, right?
> >
> > I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health issue. I
> > am sure you could teach a novice like me a few things. I never
> > claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it at all.
> I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing license.
>
> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
>
> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.

I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so far this year because you have a hernia. That's what I meant by "not able to get a license." Could have stated that better. In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost his license." Must be different in racing. In any event, if you lived here the hernia surgery would have happened in weeks, even if you were on Medicaid. What A FUBAR health system you have up there.

As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.

On 2023-08-23 17:28, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:49:23 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-23 05:06, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit.
>>>>>> We actually had it added to our rule book:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to
>>>>>> the “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that
>>>>>> one of the following options will be the designated spec
>>>>>> tire and the official tire for CACC’s Formula F. By
>>>>>> February 1 of the coming race season should option “A” be
>>>>>> no longer available from the manufacturer then option “B”
>>>>>> will be the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be
>>>>>> available from their respective manufacturers then option
>>>>>> “C” will become the Spec tire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133
>>>>>> and Hoosier R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford
>>>>>> tire (P/N 44165 & 44170)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Oh! Look at that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
>>>>>>
>>>>> In 2019 one of the 6 races you claim to have finished ahead
>>>>> of Dave McKay was on May 4. Dave was a DNS on May 4. So in
>>>>> races where you were both running it was 5 out of 16, not 6.
>>>>> What else are you distorting?
>>>> The actual count in races we both finished was 9 to 5 (yeah...
>>>> ...I miscounted by one).
>>>>> Tires: You can buy the same tires as anybody else. Can't
>>>>> you? The tires are all equal if you choose to make them so.
>>>>> You could have bought Hoosiers or others too. You are a
>>>>> shitty driver because you actually choose to lose.
>>>> I could... ...but I chose to respect our gentleman's agreement
>>>> which has become our rule.
>>>>
>>>> But from your reply, it's clear your choice would be to cheat.
>>>>
>>>> 😄
>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact that
>>>>> you can post a faster best lap and still not win the race
>>>>> actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent driver you
>>>>> are.
>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>>>>
>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
>>
>> What a shock.
>>
>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
>>
>>>>
>>>> 😄
>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
>>>>> itself.
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of the
>>>> races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per lap
>>>> faster.
>>>>
>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car can
>>>> really do...
>>>>
>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good enough
>>>> to teach...
>>>>
>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>
>>>> 😄
>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave McKay.
>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to be
>> "elite", you Little Shit.
>>
>> You agree that's factual, right?
>>>
>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few things. I
>>> never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it at
>> all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing license.
>>
>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
>>
>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
>
> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so far
> this year because you have a hernia.

I did say that, yes.

> That's what I meant by "not able
> to get a license."

That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.

Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?

You ASSUMED that's what I meant.

> Could have stated that better.

You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...

....but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I think we
know where you stand on honesty.

> In the aviation
> world when you fail a physical we say "he lost his license."

Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.

That's something you're just making up.

> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this year.
> How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you stated it
> was because Doug made an unforced error on the last lap. One of those
> recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July 23. Floer finished
> third for passing under yellow, but McKay won by 0.041 seconds. Floer
> lost one position for the pass.

I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once, Little
Shit...

....but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by Doug
counts against him?

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:58:24 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-23 17:28, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:49:23 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-08-23 05:06, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>> We didn't just make a private agreement, you Little Shit.
> >>>>>> We actually had it added to our rule book:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "21.2.3 Rain tires are open. Where reference is made to
> >>>>>> the “Hoosier Radial” is designated as the spec tire, that
> >>>>>> one of the following options will be the designated spec
> >>>>>> tire and the official tire for CACC’s Formula F. By
> >>>>>> February 1 of the coming race season should option “A” be
> >>>>>> no longer available from the manufacturer then option “B”
> >>>>>> will be the Spec tire. Should options “A” and “B” not be
> >>>>>> available from their respective manufacturers then option
> >>>>>> “C” will become the Spec tire.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 21.2.3.1 Option “A” – American Racer Tire compound #133;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 21.2.3.2 Option “B” – American Racer Tire compound #133
> >>>>>> and Hoosier R60A Club Ford bias ply tire;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 21.2.3.3 Option “C” – Hoosier VVF Vintage Formula Ford
> >>>>>> tire (P/N 44165 & 44170)."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-CACC-Race-Regulations.pdf>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> Oh! Look at that!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Little Shit didn't have a CLUE.. ...again!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> In 2019 one of the 6 races you claim to have finished ahead
> >>>>> of Dave McKay was on May 4. Dave was a DNS on May 4. So in
> >>>>> races where you were both running it was 5 out of 16, not 6.
> >>>>> What else are you distorting?
> >>>> The actual count in races we both finished was 9 to 5 (yeah...
> >>>> ...I miscounted by one).
> >>>>> Tires: You can buy the same tires as anybody else. Can't
> >>>>> you? The tires are all equal if you choose to make them so.
> >>>>> You could have bought Hoosiers or others too. You are a
> >>>>> shitty driver because you actually choose to lose.
> >>>> I could... ...but I chose to respect our gentleman's agreement
> >>>> which has become our rule.
> >>>>
> >>>> But from your reply, it's clear your choice would be to cheat.
> >>>>
> >>>> 😄
> >>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact that
> >>>>> you can post a faster best lap and still not win the race
> >>>>> actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent driver you
> >>>>> are.
> >>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> >> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> What a shock.
> >>
> >> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> 😄
> >>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
> >>>>> itself.
> >>>> Indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of the
> >>>> races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per lap
> >>>> faster.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
> >>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car can
> >>>> really do...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good enough
> >>>> to teach...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>>>
> >>>> 😄
> >>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave McKay.
> >> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to be
> >> "elite", you Little Shit.
> >>
> >> You agree that's factual, right?
> >>>
> >>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
> >>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few things. I
> >>> never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> >> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it at
> >> all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing license.
> >>
> >> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
> >>
> >> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
> >
> > I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so far
> > this year because you have a hernia.
> I did say that, yes.
> > That's what I meant by "not able
> > to get a license."
> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
>
> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
>
> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
> > Could have stated that better.
> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
>
> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I think we
> know where you stand on honesty.
> > In the aviation
> > world when you fail a physical we say "he lost his license."
> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
>
> That's something you're just making up.
> > As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this year.
> > How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you stated it
> > was because Doug made an unforced error on the last lap. One of those
> > recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July 23. Floer finished
> > third for passing under yellow, but McKay won by 0.041 seconds. Floer
> > lost one position for the pass.
> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once, Little
> Shit...
>
> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by Doug
> counts against him?

Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.

On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
>>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
>>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
>>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
>>>>>>> driver you are.
>>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
>>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
>>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
>>>>
>>>> What a shock.
>>>>
>>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 😄
>>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
>>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
>>>>>> lap faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
>>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
>>>>>> can really do...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
>>>>>> enough to teach...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 😄
>>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
>>>>> McKay.
>>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
>>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> You agree that's factual, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
>>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
>>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
>>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
>>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
>>>> license.
>>>>
>>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
>>>>
>>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
>>>
>>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
>>> far this year because you have a hernia.
>> I did say that, yes.
>>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
>> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
>>
>> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
>>
>> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
>>> Could have stated that better.
>> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
>>
>> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
>> think we know where you stand on honesty.

No reply?

I'm shocked.

>>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
>>> his license."
>> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
>>
>> That's something you're just making up.
>>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
>>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
>>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
>>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
>>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
>>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
>> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
>> Little Shit...
>>
>> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
>> Doug counts against him?
>
> Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
> you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
> Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.

I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 5:23:13 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
> > have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
>
> Because it never can happen here?
>
> I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
> up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
> took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
>
> -hh

Sure it can. I've had a hard time getting dental cleanings rescheduled. But that's the exception, not the rule.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:55:22 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time..
> > > >
> > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > >
> > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > >
> > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> >
> > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> I know.
> > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
>
> -hh

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
> >>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
> >>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
> >>>>>>> driver you are.
> >>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> >>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> What a shock.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
> >>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>> Indeed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
> >>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
> >>>>>> lap faster.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
> >>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
> >>>>>> can really do...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
> >>>>>> enough to teach...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 😄
> >>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
> >>>>> McKay.
> >>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
> >>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> You agree that's factual, right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
> >>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
> >>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> >>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
> >>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
> >>>> license.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
> >>>
> >>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
> >>> far this year because you have a hernia.
> >> I did say that, yes.
> >>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
> >> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
> >>
> >> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
> >>> Could have stated that better.
> >> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
> >>
> >> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
> >> think we know where you stand on honesty.
> No reply?
>
> I'm shocked.
> >>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
> >>> his license."
> >> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
> >>
> >> That's something you're just making up.
> >>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
> >>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
> >>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
> >>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
> >>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
> >>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
> >> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
> >> Little Shit...
> >>
> >> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
> >> Doug counts against him?
> >
> > Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
> > you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
> > Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.

Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".

On 2023-09-26 17:50, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
>>>>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
>>>>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
>>>>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
>>>>>>>>> driver you are.
>>>>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
>>>>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
>>>>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a shock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 😄
>>>>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
>>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
>>>>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
>>>>>>>> lap faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
>>>>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
>>>>>>>> can really do...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
>>>>>>>> enough to teach...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 😄
>>>>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
>>>>>>> McKay.
>>>>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
>>>>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You agree that's factual, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
>>>>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
>>>>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
>>>>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
>>>>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
>>>>> far this year because you have a hernia.
>>>> I did say that, yes.
>>>>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
>>>> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
>>>>
>>>> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
>>>>> Could have stated that better.
>>>> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
>>>>
>>>> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
>>>> think we know where you stand on honesty.
>> No reply?
>>
>> I'm shocked.
>>>>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
>>>>> his license."
>>>> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> That's something you're just making up.
>>>>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
>>>>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
>>>>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
>>>>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
>>>>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
>>>>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
>>>> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
>>>> Little Shit...
>>>>
>>>> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
>>>> Doug counts against him?
>>>
>>> Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
>>> you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
>>> Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
>> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.
>
> Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".

LOL!

I've beaten Doug. Period.

You're so interested in the stats:

YOU chase them down.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time..
> > > >
> > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > >
> > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > >
> > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> >
> > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> I know.
> > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
>
> -hh

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:11:03 AM UTC+9, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp .... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > > >
> > > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > > >
> > > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> > >
> > > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> > I know.
> > > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> > Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> > No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> > 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> > 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> > Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> > The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> > Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> > this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
> >
> > -hh
> To sum it up we had a good time. Because we drove we were able to be very flexible
> on diversions to see things we never planned. We planned our stops only a day ahead.
> The only downsides were the 3 days we spent on long drives and a tire failure that
> knocked us out of visiting one national park we had intended to see. We stumbled
> across Little Bighorn National Battlefield, the Truman Presidental library and a stay
> at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. We spent half an hour waiting for a buffalo traffic jam to
> clear, visited some great local restaurants, friends that we had not seen since college
> days, and saw some epic vistas that your airline travel would have flown over.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:10:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-26 17:50, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>>>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
> >>>>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
> >>>>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
> >>>>>>>>> driver you are.
> >>>>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >>>>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> >>>>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What a shock.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
> >>>>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>> Indeed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
> >>>>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
> >>>>>>>> lap faster.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
> >>>>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
> >>>>>>>> can really do...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
> >>>>>>>> enough to teach...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
> >>>>>>> McKay.
> >>>>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
> >>>>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You agree that's factual, right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
> >>>>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
> >>>>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> >>>>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
> >>>>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
> >>>>>> license.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
> >>>>> far this year because you have a hernia.
> >>>> I did say that, yes.
> >>>>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
> >>>> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
> >>>>
> >>>> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
> >>>>> Could have stated that better.
> >>>> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
> >>>> think we know where you stand on honesty.
> >> No reply?
> >>
> >> I'm shocked.
> >>>>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
> >>>>> his license."
> >>>> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's something you're just making up.
> >>>>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
> >>>>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
> >>>>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
> >>>>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
> >>>>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
> >>>>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
> >>>> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
> >>>> Little Shit...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
> >>>> Doug counts against him?
> >>>
> >>> Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
> >>> you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
> >>> Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
> >> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.
> >
> > Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".
> LOL!
>
> I've beaten Doug. Period.
>
> You're so interested in the stats:
>
> YOU chase them down.

I did, took all of 30 minutes. Sources are SCCBC season champion records where available and where none posted Speedhive.

Number of times you finished ahead of Alan McColl, Doug Floer or Dave McKay

2013 - 0
2014 - 1 McKay
2015 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
2018 - 0
2019 - 4 McKay
2020 - 0, but there were only 3 races and none for Alan, Doug and Dave
2021 - 0
2022 - 0 but one more race to go

Only 9 times out of all the races you have run against these 3 you finished ahead. 6 of the 9 were ahead of McKay, the slowest of the top 3. Not a great record at all.

Face it, you are not even in the same league as Alan, Doug and Dave. Best of level 2, you are that. LOL at your inflated ego.

By the way, is one reason you don't race more financial? Are debt and tax obligations a problem for you?

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:46:44 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:11:03 AM UTC+9, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF.. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive.. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone.. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent.. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> > > >
> > > > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> > > I know.
> > > > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> > > Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > > > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> > > No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> > > 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> > > 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > > > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > > > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > > > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> > > Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > > > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > > > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> > > The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> > > Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> > > this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
> > >
> > > -hh
> > To sum it up we had a good time. Because we drove we were able to be very flexible
> > on diversions to see things we never planned. We planned our stops only a day ahead.
> > The only downsides were the 3 days we spent on long drives and a tire failure that
> > knocked us out of visiting one national park we had intended to see. We stumbled
> > across Little Bighorn National Battlefield, the Truman Presidental library and a stay
> > at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. We spent half an hour waiting for a buffalo traffic jam to
> > clear, visited some great local restaurants, friends that we had not seen since college
> > days, and saw some epic vistas that your airline travel would have flown over.
> Seeing the Rockies from the ground is nice..question is the time constraints factor
> vs other priorities.
> > Five first time National Parks, Custer State Park, two national monuments, and
> > Victoria/Butchart Gardens. OMG, Redwoods, Crater Lake and Lassen Volcanic.
> > Plus, US Highway 50 across Nevada.
> >
> > Having said that, at our age this may be the last time for such a long road trip.
> Yup, it’s grinding hours in the car. Glad to hear that you made it safely home
> despite the tire failure. Currently on a train to from Kanazawa to Kyoto myself;
> someone else is driving & we’re using a Tokyo Wireless hotspot for easy connectivity.
> > Next year we have made reservations with a local tour company to fly to
> > Vancouver and take a train to Banff and Calgary, then fly home. We may go
> > out a few days early, rent a car, and explore a little more of Vancouver Island.
> Sounds like a good plan.
> > Also thinking about a European river cruise and Florida for a few weeks..
> > The annual 2 weeks of skiing is already booked and paid. Maybe not your
> > idea of a good time, but it's ours.
> EU River cruises are pretty nice; we’ve done a few. Trade-off is often no nights
> within the city being visited…found that to be a consideration during the December
> Christmas Market season, as they’re much more fun in the dark with their lights.
> Last year’s trip to Colmar is probably going to be on this year’s Holdiay card.
>
> -hh