Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>

Not just fastest...

....but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...

....over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of the 4
of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.

But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly be
competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...

...right?

:-)

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
>
> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
>
> Not just fastest...
>
> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
>
> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of the 4
> of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
>
> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly be
> competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
>
> ..right?
>
> :-)

Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in qualifying.

On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
>>
>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
>>
>>
>>
Not just fastest...
>>
>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
>>
>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
>>
>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
>>
>> ..right?
>>
>> :-)
>
> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> qualifying.

Really?

Who was that?

Got a quote?

On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
>>
>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not just fastest...
>>
>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
>>
>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
>>
>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
>>
>> ..right?
>>
>> :-)
>
> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> qualifying.

So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.

He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.

But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.

:-)

Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.

The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>

On 2023-10-01 11:48, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
>>>
>>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> >> Not just fastest...
>>>
>>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
>>>
>>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
>>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
>>>
>>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
>>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
>>>
>>> ..right?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
>> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
>> qualifying.
>
> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
>
> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
>
> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
>
> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>

Just a little update for our resident "expert" on Formula F:

'If I had a single car team with an experienced driver I too would run a
Ford motor as I think ultimately they are quicker.'

That's a quote from Brian Graham of Brian Graham Racing, who was running
the car for William Ferguson, 5th place finisher at this year's Runoffs.

<https://www.briangrahamracing.com>

'For more than two decades Brian has been mentoring and launching the
careers of a long list of young drivers, and with team alumni currently
racing in various professional series such as IndyCar and IMSA, the
quality of the program at BGR is second to none. The 2020 Indy 500 had
four of our alumni on the grid, along with representation over many
years at famous races such as the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 Hours
of Sebring.'

But... ...what would HE know?

:-)

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> >>
> >> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not just fastest...
> >>
> >> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> >>
> >> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> >> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> >>
> >> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> >> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> >>
> >> ..right?
> >>
> >> :-)
> >
> > Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > qualifying.
> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
>
> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
>
> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
>
> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>

Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years. Why?

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:45:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 11:48, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> >>>
> >>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> > >> Not just fastest...
> >>>
> >>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> >>>
> >>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> >>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> >>>
> >>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> >>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> >>>
> >>> ..right?
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>
> >> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> >> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> >> qualifying.
> >
> > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> >
> > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> >
> > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> >
> > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> Just a little update for our resident "expert" on Formula F:
>
> 'If I had a single car team with an experienced driver I too would run a
> Ford motor as I think ultimately they are quicker.'
>
> That's a quote from Brian Graham of Brian Graham Racing, who was running
> the car for William Ferguson, 5th place finisher at this year's Runoffs.
>
> <https://www.briangrahamracing.com>
>
> 'For more than two decades Brian has been mentoring and launching the
> careers of a long list of young drivers, and with team alumni currently
> racing in various professional series such as IndyCar and IMSA, the
> quality of the program at BGR is second to none. The 2020 Indy 500 had
> four of our alumni on the grid, along with representation over many
> years at famous races such as the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 Hours
> of Sebring.'
>
> But... ...what would HE know?
>
> :-)
No reply to my October 7 question?

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:32:04 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:45:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-10-01 11:48, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > >>>
> > >>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > >> Not just fastest...
> > >>>
> > >>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > >>>
> > >>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > >>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > >>>
> > >>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > >>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> > >>>
> > >>> ..right?
> > >>>
> > >>> :-)
> > >>
> > >> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > >> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > >> qualifying.
> > >
> > > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> > >
> > > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> > >
> > > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> > >
> > > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> > >
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> > Just a little update for our resident "expert" on Formula F:
> >
> > 'If I had a single car team with an experienced driver I too would run a
> > Ford motor as I think ultimately they are quicker.'
> >
> > That's a quote from Brian Graham of Brian Graham Racing, who was running
> > the car for William Ferguson, 5th place finisher at this year's Runoffs..
> >
> > <https://www.briangrahamracing.com>
> >
> > 'For more than two decades Brian has been mentoring and launching the
> > careers of a long list of young drivers, and with team alumni currently
> > racing in various professional series such as IndyCar and IMSA, the
> > quality of the program at BGR is second to none. The 2020 Indy 500 had
> > four of our alumni on the grid, along with representation over many
> > years at famous races such as the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 Hours
> > of Sebring.'
> >
> > But... ...what would HE know?
> >
> > :-)
> Which explains why so few Kents run in top level events how?

Asked and answered many times.

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:33:37 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > >>
> > >> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Not just fastest...
> > >>
> > >> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > >>
> > >> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > >> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > >>
> > >> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > >> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> > >>
> > >> ..right?
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > > Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > > telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > > qualifying.
> > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> >
> > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> >
> > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> >
> > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years. Why?

Asked and answered... ...many times.

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:38:53 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:45:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-10-01 11:48, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > >>>
> > >>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > >> Not just fastest...
> > >>>
> > >>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > >>>
> > >>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > >>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > >>>
> > >>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > >>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> > >>>
> > >>> ..right?
> > >>>
> > >>> :-)
> > >>
> > >> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > >> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > >> qualifying.
> > >
> > > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> > >
> > > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> > >
> > > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> > >
> > > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> > >
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> > Just a little update for our resident "expert" on Formula F:
> >
> > 'If I had a single car team with an experienced driver I too would run a
> > Ford motor as I think ultimately they are quicker.'
> >
> > That's a quote from Brian Graham of Brian Graham Racing, who was running
> > the car for William Ferguson, 5th place finisher at this year's Runoffs..
> >
> > <https://www.briangrahamracing.com>
> >
> > 'For more than two decades Brian has been mentoring and launching the
> > careers of a long list of young drivers, and with team alumni currently
> > racing in various professional series such as IndyCar and IMSA, the
> > quality of the program at BGR is second to none. The 2020 Indy 500 had
> > four of our alumni on the grid, along with representation over many
> > years at famous races such as the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 Hours
> > of Sebring.'
> >
> > But... ...what would HE know?
> >
> > :-)
> No reply to my October 7 question?

I only recently learned that—for some reason—Eternal September's usenet service no longer has post made via Google Groups.

On 2023-12-07 14:30, Alan Baker wrote:
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:38:53 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:45:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-01 11:48, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not just fastest...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
>>>>>> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
>>>>>> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
>>>>> telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
>>>>> qualifying.
>>>>
>>>> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
>>>> the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
>>>>
>>>> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
>>>>
>>>> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
>>>> show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
>>>> watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
>>>> the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
>>>> eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
>>>>
>>>> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
>>> Just a little update for our resident "expert" on Formula F:
>>>
>>> 'If I had a single car team with an experienced driver I too would run a
>>> Ford motor as I think ultimately they are quicker.'
>>>
>>> That's a quote from Brian Graham of Brian Graham Racing, who was running
>>> the car for William Ferguson, 5th place finisher at this year's Runoffs.
>>>
>>> <https://www.briangrahamracing.com>
>>>
>>> 'For more than two decades Brian has been mentoring and launching the
>>> careers of a long list of young drivers, and with team alumni currently
>>> racing in various professional series such as IndyCar and IMSA, the
>>> quality of the program at BGR is second to none. The 2020 Indy 500 had
>>> four of our alumni on the grid, along with representation over many
>>> years at famous races such as the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 Hours
>>> of Sebring.'
>>>
>>> But... ...what would HE know?
>>>
>>> :-)
>> No reply to my October 7 question?
>
> I only recently learned that—for some reason—Eternal September's usenet service no longer has post made via Google Groups.

And it's apparently more complex than just a simple block of Google
Groups posts... ...because my own posts came through.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:33:37 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > >> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > > >>
> > > >> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Not just fastest...
> > > >>
> > > >> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > > >>
> > > >> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > > >> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > > >>
> > > >> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > > >> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> > > >>
> > > >> ..right?
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >
> > > > Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > > > telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > > > qualifying.
> > > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> > >
> > > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> > >
> > > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> > >
> > > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> > >
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> > Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years. Why?
> Asked and answered... ...many times.

Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they are better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought one too.

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:33:37 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > >> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not just fastest...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > > > >> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > > > >> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion....
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ..right?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > > > > telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > > > > qualifying.
> > > > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > > > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> > > >
> > > > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> > > >
> > > > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > > > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > > > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > > > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > > > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> > > >
> > > > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> > > Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years. Why?
> > Asked and answered... ...many times.
> Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they are better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought one too.

But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine was FASTER ON THE TRACK.

Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 11:16:14 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:33:37 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > On 2023-09-30 16:00, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > >> Someone needs to tell Nolan Allaer:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/069/593/FF%20Runoffs2023%20Grid%20Official.pdf?1695931384>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Not just fastest...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ...but fastest by more than 6 tenths of a second...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ...over one of the best young drivers (Jonathan Kotyk, winner of
> > > > > >> the 4 of the last 5 SCCA Runoffs.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But a self-appointed "expert" told us that Fords couldn't possibly
> > > > > >> be competitive, so this must just be some sort of mass illusion...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ..right?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember someone
> > > > > > telling me that you don't always run as hard as you can in
> > > > > > qualifying.
> > > > > So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th running of
> > > > > the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> > > > >
> > > > > He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> > > > >
> > > > > But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that this doesn't
> > > > > show a Ford can still be competitive in Formula F.
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a terrific race to
> > > > > watch. Until the car running third pressed too hard on the final lap,
> > > > > the first three had been running within 0.3s of each other. As the
> > > > > eventual winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> > > > >
> > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> > > > Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years. Why?
> > > Asked and answered... ...many times.
> > Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they are better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought one too.
> But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine was FASTER ON THE TRACK.
>
> Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?

No, I don't deny it, my stats on your performance show that you performed better with a Honda-engine car. Not that it has made any difference lately. You have pretty much dropped out after McColl, Floer and McKay returned to the fray.

BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free one.

On 2023-12-15 08:39, Thomas E. wrote:

>>>>>>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember
>>>>>>> someone telling me that you don't always run as hard as
>>>>>>> you can in qualifying.
>>>>>> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th
>>>>>> running of the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that
>>>>>> this doesn't show a Ford can still be competitive in
>>>>>> Formula F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a
>>>>>> terrific race to watch. Until the car running third pressed
>>>>>> too hard on the final lap, the first three had been running
>>>>>> within 0.3s of each other. As the eventual winner said, it
>>>>>> was a chess match at 100mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
>>>>> Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years.
>>>>> Why?
>>>> Asked and answered... ...many times.
>>> Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they are
>>> better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought one too.
>> But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine was
>> FASTER ON THE TRACK.
>>
>> Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?
>
> No, I don't deny it, my stats on your performance show that you
> performed better with a Honda-engine car. Not that it has made any
> difference lately. You have pretty much dropped out after McColl,
> Floer and McKay returned to the fray.

You can't play it straight ever, can you? You claimed the Honda was
FASTER than the Kent, Little Shit, AND that that's the only reason I was
winning. Then I schooled you (over and over and over) that the Honda
wasn't inherently faster but that there were other practical reasons for
choosing to run a Honda rather than a Ford engine.

And I "dropped out" this past year, because I had a hernia that made
prepping the car and running it for a race weekend unfeasible.

And the record shows that Dave McKay racing head to head were basically
dead even. After a full season of racing, the score was 2018 to 199. Or
less han 10% between us.

And McColl hasn't "returned to the fray", you nitwit.

He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at all
since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.

> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as of
> 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
> free one.

Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial affairs...

....but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.

Eternal September, Little Shit.

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:09:00 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-12-15 08:39, Thomas E. wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I remember
> >>>>>>> someone telling me that you don't always run as hard as
> >>>>>>> you can in qualifying.
> >>>>>> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the 60th
> >>>>>> running of the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim that
> >>>>>> this doesn't show a Ford can still be competitive in
> >>>>>> Formula F.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a
> >>>>>> terrific race to watch. Until the car running third pressed
> >>>>>> too hard on the final lap, the first three had been running
> >>>>>> within 0.3s of each other. As the eventual winner said, it
> >>>>>> was a chess match at 100mph.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> >>>>> Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many years.
> >>>>> Why?
> >>>> Asked and answered... ...many times.
> >>> Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they are
> >>> better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought one too.
> >> But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine was
> >> FASTER ON THE TRACK.
> >>
> >> Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?
> >
> > No, I don't deny it, my stats on your performance show that you
> > performed better with a Honda-engine car. Not that it has made any
> > difference lately. You have pretty much dropped out after McColl,
> > Floer and McKay returned to the fray.
> You can't play it straight ever, can you? You claimed the Honda was
> FASTER than the Kent, Little Shit, AND that that's the only reason I was
> winning. Then I schooled you (over and over and over) that the Honda
> wasn't inherently faster but that there were other practical reasons for
> choosing to run a Honda rather than a Ford engine.
>
> And I "dropped out" this past year, because I had a hernia that made
> prepping the car and running it for a race weekend unfeasible.
>
> And the record shows that Dave McKay racing head to head were basically
> dead even. After a full season of racing, the score was 2018 to 199. Or
> less han 10% between us.
>
> And McColl hasn't "returned to the fray", you nitwit.
>
> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at all
> since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.
> > BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as of
> > 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
> > free one.
> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial affairs...
>
> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.
>
> Eternal September, Little Shit.

My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when he did not race. You did not race against him. Very convenient.

OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said so yourself, remember?

I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you would recommend?

On 2023-12-16 05:42, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:09:00 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-12-15 08:39, Thomas E. wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>> remember someone telling me that you don't always run
>>>>>>>>> as hard as you can in qualifying.
>>>>>>>> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the
>>>>>>>> 60th running of the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim
>>>>>>>> that this doesn't show a Ford can still be competitive
>>>>>>>> in Formula F.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a
>>>>>>>> terrific race to watch. Until the car running third
>>>>>>>> pressed too hard on the final lap, the first three had
>>>>>>>> been running within 0.3s of each other. As the eventual
>>>>>>>> winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
>>>>>>> Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many
>>>>>>> years. Why?
>>>>>> Asked and answered... ...many times.
>>>>> Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they
>>>>> are better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought
>>>>> one too.
>>>> But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine
>>>> was FASTER ON THE TRACK.
>>>>
>>>> Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?
>>>
>>> No, I don't deny it, my stats on your performance show that you
>>> performed better with a Honda-engine car. Not that it has made
>>> any difference lately. You have pretty much dropped out after
>>> McColl, Floer and McKay returned to the fray.
>> You can't play it straight ever, can you? You claimed the Honda
>> was FASTER than the Kent, Little Shit, AND that that's the only
>> reason I was winning. Then I schooled you (over and over and over)
>> that the Honda wasn't inherently faster but that there were other
>> practical reasons for choosing to run a Honda rather than a Ford
>> engine.
>>
>> And I "dropped out" this past year, because I had a hernia that
>> made prepping the car and running it for a race weekend
>> unfeasible.
>>
>> And the record shows that Dave McKay racing head to head were
>> basically dead even. After a full season of racing, the score was
>> 2018 to 199. Or less han 10% between us.
>>
>> And McColl hasn't "returned to the fray", you nitwit.
>>
>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at
>> all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.
>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as
>>> of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can
>>> find a free one.
>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial
>> affairs...
>>
>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.
>>
>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
>
> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ too) and
> you were out until the last weekend when he did not race. You did not
> race against him. Very convenient.

My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of 2021,
Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until it was far FAR
too late to do anything about it.

So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much the
entire racing season.

I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself "current"
for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for races based on who
is going to be there.

>
> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing to do
> with your improved performance. Then it was the better car, not you,
> that was responsible. You said so yourself, remember?

What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?

>
> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with paying
> via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great experience.
> Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you would recommend?
"I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free one."

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 2:01:36 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-12-16 05:42, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:09:00 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-15 08:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Let's wait and see the race results tomorrow. I
> >>>>>>>>> remember someone telling me that you don't always run
> >>>>>>>>> as hard as you can in qualifying.
> >>>>>>>> So Jonathan Allaer, in a Van Diemen RF00 Ford wins the
> >>>>>>>> 60th running of the SCCA Runoffs in Formula F.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He won by 51 THOUSANDS of a second.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But somehow, I know someone will find a way to claim
> >>>>>>>> that this doesn't show a Ford can still be competitive
> >>>>>>>> in Formula F.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Seriously, though: if you like road racing, this was a
> >>>>>>>> terrific race to watch. Until the car running third
> >>>>>>>> pressed too hard on the final lap, the first three had
> >>>>>>>> been running within 0.3s of each other. As the eventual
> >>>>>>>> winner said, it was a chess match at 100mph.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The action starts at about 3 hours 30 minutes in:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZqt65MeS8>
> >>>>>>> Good for Jonathan. First Runoff win by a Kent in many
> >>>>>>> years. Why?
> >>>>>> Asked and answered... ...many times.
> >>>>> Answered with deflections many times. Hondas win because they
> >>>>> are better FF powerplants. You said so yourself. You bought
> >>>>> one too.
> >>>> But your claim was that I was winning because the Honda engine
> >>>> was FASTER ON THE TRACK.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you deny that, Lying Little Shit?
> >>>
> >>> No, I don't deny it, my stats on your performance show that you
> >>> performed better with a Honda-engine car. Not that it has made
> >>> any difference lately. You have pretty much dropped out after
> >>> McColl, Floer and McKay returned to the fray.
> >> You can't play it straight ever, can you? You claimed the Honda
> >> was FASTER than the Kent, Little Shit, AND that that's the only
> >> reason I was winning. Then I schooled you (over and over and over)
> >> that the Honda wasn't inherently faster but that there were other
> >> practical reasons for choosing to run a Honda rather than a Ford
> >> engine.
> >>
> >> And I "dropped out" this past year, because I had a hernia that
> >> made prepping the car and running it for a race weekend
> >> unfeasible.
> >>
> >> And the record shows that Dave McKay racing head to head were
> >> basically dead even. After a full season of racing, the score was
> >> 2018 to 199. Or less han 10% between us.
> >>
> >> And McColl hasn't "returned to the fray", you nitwit.
> >>
> >> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at
> >> all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.
> >>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as
> >>> of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can
> >>> find a free one.
> >> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial
> >> affairs...
> >>
> >> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.
> >>
> >> Eternal September, Little Shit.
> >
> > My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ too) and
> > you were out until the last weekend when he did not race. You did not
> > race against him. Very convenient.
> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of 2021,
> Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until it was far FAR
> too late to do anything about it.
>
> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much the
> entire racing season.
>
> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself "current"
> for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for races based on who
> is going to be there.
> >
> > OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing to do
> > with your improved performance. Then it was the better car, not you,
> > that was responsible. You said so yourself, remember?
> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
> >
> > I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with paying
> > via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great experience.
> > Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you would recommend?
> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free one."

As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.

As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and DNF instances. By year:

Year Baker McKay
2022 0 0
2021 0 0
2020 0 0
2019 6 10
2018 3 4
2017 0 7
2016 0 4
2015 3 8
2014 1 3
2013 0 2

Totals 13 38
13/51*100%=25%

If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year, months and race number. There are only OW races.

The last few years are not the only times you have not raced on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did your family contribute to the new #21?

What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam.

On 2023-12-16 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at
>>>> all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.
>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as
>>>>> of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can
>>>>> find a free one.
>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial
>>>> affairs...
>>>>
>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.
>>>>
>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
>>>
>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ too) and
>>> you were out until the last weekend when he did not race. You did not
>>> race against him. Very convenient.
>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of 2021,
>> Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until it was far FAR
>> too late to do anything about it.
>>
>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much the
>> entire racing season.

Unacknowledged here...

....but you KNEW that...

....and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided coming
out because Alan McColl came back.

>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself "current"
>> for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for races based on who
>> is going to be there.
>>>
>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing to do
>>> with your improved performance. Then it was the better car, not you,
>>> that was responsible. You said so yourself, remember?
>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
>>>
>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with paying
>>> via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great experience.
>>> Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you would recommend?
>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free one."
>
> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.

And here we go again.

Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due to an
extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who first brought
it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason or two" is you inventing
more shit out of the whole cloth aside from me commenting that I wanted
a car where spare parts were more easily obtained.

As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate that it
somehow made me faster on the track.

>
> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and DNF instances. By year:
>
> Year Baker McKay
> 2022 0 0
> 2021 0 0
> 2020 0 0
> 2019 6 10
> 2018 3 4
> 2017 0 7
> 2016 0 4
> 2015 3 8
> 2014 1 3
> 2013 0 2
>
> Totals 13 38
> 13/51*100%=25%
>
> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year, months and race number. There are only OW races.

There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of shit.

I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I wouldn't be
finishing ahead of someone with much more experience.

But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished, the results
were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't even get it right when
you're trying to denigrate me. But you want to class me as some kind of
"also-ran" where you happily declare Dave "elite".

Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:

I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.

I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both finished.

So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even he will
admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver trying a suicide dive
bomb on the second weekend of the year, the results could very well have
gone the other way.

>
> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did your family contribute to the new #21?

Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea my
family as contributed anything to either of my racing car purchases, you
lying sack of shit?

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam.
> On 2023-12-16 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and not at
> >>>> all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental once.
> >>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being discontinued as
> >>>>> of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can
> >>>>> find a free one.
> >>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your financial
> >>>> affairs...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from posting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ too) and
> >>> you were out until the last weekend when he did not race. You did not
> >>> race against him. Very convenient.
> >> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of 2021,
> >> Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until it was far FAR
> >> too late to do anything about it.
> >>
> >> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much the
> >> entire racing season.
> Unacknowledged here...
>
> ...but you KNEW that...
>
> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided coming
> out because Alan McColl came back.
> >> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself "current"
> >> for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for races based on who
> >> is going to be there.
> >>>
> >>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing to do
> >>> with your improved performance. Then it was the better car, not you,
> >>> that was responsible. You said so yourself, remember?
> >> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
> >>>
> >>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with paying
> >>> via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great experience.
> >>> Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you would recommend?
> >> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free one."
> >
> > As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
> And here we go again.
>
> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due to an
> extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who first brought
> it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason or two" is you inventing
> more shit out of the whole cloth aside from me commenting that I wanted
> a car where spare parts were more easily obtained.
>
> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate that it
> somehow made me faster on the track.
> >
> > As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and DNF instances. By year:
> >
> > Year Baker McKay
> > 2022 0 0
> > 2021 0 0
> > 2020 0 0
> > 2019 6 10
> > 2018 3 4
> > 2017 0 7
> > 2016 0 4
> > 2015 3 8
> > 2014 1 3
> > 2013 0 2
> >
> > Totals 13 38
> > 13/51*100%=25%
> >
> > If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year, months and race number. There are only OW races.
> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of shit.
>
> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I wouldn't be
> finishing ahead of someone with much more experience.
>
> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished, the results
> were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't even get it right when
> you're trying to denigrate me. But you want to class me as some kind of
> "also-ran" where you happily declare Dave "elite".
>
> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
>
> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
>
> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both finished.
>
> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even he will
> admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver trying a suicide dive
> bomb on the second weekend of the year, the results could very well have
> gone the other way.
> >
> > The last few years are not the only times you have not raced on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did your family contribute to the new #21?
> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea my
> family as contributed anything to either of my racing car purchases, you
> lying sack of shit?

Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5 out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015. Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop digging.

Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad. Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not race in 2019, so no other benchmark.

Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone who disagrees as a liar.

On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:
> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
>> 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and
>>>>>> not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental
>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
>>>>>>> discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new
>>>>>>> provider unless I can find a free one.
>>>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
>>>>>> financial affairs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ
>>>>> too) and you were out until the last weekend when he did not
>>>>> race. You did not race against him. Very convenient.
>>>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of
>>>> 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until
>>>> it was far FAR too late to do anything about it.
>>>>
>>>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much
>>>> the entire racing season.
>> Unacknowledged here...
>>
>> ...but you KNEW that...
>>
>> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
>> coming out because Alan McColl came back.

Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.

>>>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself
>>>> "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for
>>>> races based on who is going to be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing
>>>>> to do with your improved performance. Then it was the better
>>>>> car, not you, that was responsible. You said so yourself,
>>>>> remember?
>>>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with
>>>>> paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great
>>>>> experience. Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you
>>>>> would recommend?
>>>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free
>>>> one."
>>>
>>> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another reason
>>> or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
>> And here we go again.
>>
>> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due to
>> an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who first
>> brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason or two" is
>> you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside from me
>> commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were more easily
>> obtained.
>>
>> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate that
>> it somehow made me faster on the track.

No response? Shocking.

>>>
>>> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but I
>>> calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races where
>>> you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and DNF
>>> instances. By year:
>>>
>>> Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3 4
>>> 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2
>>>
>>> Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%
>>>
>>> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
>>> months and race number. There are only OW races.
>> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of shit.
>>
>> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I wouldn't
>> be finishing ahead of someone with much more experience.
>>
>> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished, the
>> results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't even get
>> it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you want to class
>> me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily declare Dave
>> "elite".
>>
>> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
>>
>> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
>>
>> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both finished.

Couldn't address this, huh?

You lack any integrity.

>>
>> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even he
>> will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver trying a
>> suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year, the results
>> could very well have gone the other way.
>>>
>>> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced on a
>>> regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the resources
>>> to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did your family
>>> contribute to the new #21?
>> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea my
>> family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
>> purchases, you lying sack of shit?
>
> Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5 out
> of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than your
> overall record and not much better than 2014-2015. Apparently, years
> of experience did not do much for you. There is an old saying, when
> deep in a hole maybe you better stop digging.
>
> Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make yourself
> look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad. Like 2016
> and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging it into the
> equivalent of a championship season. How do we know if 2019 was an
> off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not race in 2019, so no
> other benchmark.

Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced in an
even more modern FF than mine...

....and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind me
every time.

BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see how
even Dave and I actually were.

There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.

In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less than
a second; 4 of them less than half a second.

The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366 seconds,
or 0.196 seconds per lap...

....in my favour.

> Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone who
> disagrees as a liar.

I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.

You worked to earn that.

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
> >> 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 and
> >>>>>> not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula Continental
> >>>>>> once.
> >>>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
> >>>>>>> discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a new
> >>>>>>> provider unless I can find a free one.
> >>>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
> >>>>>> financial affairs...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
> >>>>>> posting.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season champ
> >>>>> too) and you were out until the last weekend when he did not
> >>>>> race. You did not race against him. Very convenient.
> >>>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April of
> >>>> 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no symptoms until
> >>>> it was far FAR too late to do anything about it.
> >>>>
> >>>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty much
> >>>> the entire racing season.
> >> Unacknowledged here...
> >>
> >> ...but you KNEW that...
> >>
> >> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
> >> coming out because Alan McColl came back.
> Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.
> >>>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep myself
> >>>> "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't sign up for
> >>>> races based on who is going to be there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had nothing
> >>>>> to do with your improved performance. Then it was the better
> >>>>> car, not you, that was responsible. You said so yourself,
> >>>>> remember?
> >>>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience with
> >>>>> paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not a great
> >>>>> experience. Missing posts, and short histories. Got one you
> >>>>> would recommend?
> >>>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a free
> >>>> one."
> >>>
> >>> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another reason
> >>> or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
> >> And here we go again.
> >>
> >> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due to
> >> an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who first
> >> brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason or two" is
> >> you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside from me
> >> commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were more easily
> >> obtained.
> >>
> >> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate that
> >> it somehow made me faster on the track.
> No response? Shocking.
> >>>
> >>> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but I
> >>> calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races where
> >>> you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and DNF
> >>> instances. By year:
> >>>
> >>> Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3 4
> >>> 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2
> >>>
> >>> Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%
> >>>
> >>> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
> >>> months and race number. There are only OW races.
> >> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of shit.
> >>
> >> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I wouldn't
> >> be finishing ahead of someone with much more experience.
> >>
> >> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished, the
> >> results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't even get
> >> it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you want to class
> >> me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily declare Dave
> >> "elite".
> >>
> >> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
> >>
> >> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
> >>
> >> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both finished.
> Couldn't address this, huh?
>
> You lack any integrity.
> >>
> >> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even he
> >> will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver trying a
> >> suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year, the results
> >> could very well have gone the other way.
> >>>
> >>> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced on a
> >>> regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the resources
> >>> to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did your family
> >>> contribute to the new #21?
> >> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea my
> >> family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
> >> purchases, you lying sack of shit?
> >
> > Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5 out
> > of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than your
> > overall record and not much better than 2014-2015. Apparently, years
> > of experience did not do much for you. There is an old saying, when
> > deep in a hole maybe you better stop digging.
> >
> > Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make yourself
> > look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad. Like 2016
> > and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging it into the
> > equivalent of a championship season. How do we know if 2019 was an
> > off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not race in 2019, so no
> > other benchmark.
> Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced in an
> even more modern FF than mine...
>
> ...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind me
> every time.
>
> BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see how
> even Dave and I actually were.
>
> There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.
>
> In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less than
> a second; 4 of them less than half a second.
>
> The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366 seconds,
> or 0.196 seconds per lap...
>
> ...in my favour.
> > Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone who
> > disagrees as a liar.
> I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.
>
> You worked to earn that.
Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering. It's one thing to run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time. That PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver. I am not accepting your cherry-picked data. But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.

On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
>>>> 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021
>>>>>>>> and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
>>>>>>>> Continental once.
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
>>>>>>>>> discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
>>>>>>>>> new provider unless I can find a free one.
>>>>>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
>>>>>>>> financial affairs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
>>>>>>> champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
>>>>>>> he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
>>>>>>> convenient.
>>>>>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April
>>>>>> of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
>>>>>> symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
>>>>>> much the entire racing season.
>>>> Unacknowledged here...
>>>>
>>>> ...but you KNEW that...
>>>>
>>>> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
>>>> coming out because Alan McColl came back.
>> Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.

What a pissant you are.

>>>>>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
>>>>>> myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
>>>>>> sign up for races based on who is going to be there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
>>>>>>> nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was
>>>>>>> the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
>>>>>>> so yourself, remember?
>>>>>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
>>>>>>> with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
>>>>>>> a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
>>>>>>> Got one you would recommend?
>>>>>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
>>>>>> free one."
>>>>>
>>>>> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
>>>>> reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
>>>> And here we go again.
>>>>
>>>> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
>>>> to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
>>>> first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
>>>> or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside
>>>> from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
>>>> more easily obtained.
>>>>
>>>> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
>>>> that it somehow made me faster on the track.
>> No response? Shocking.

No balls.

>>>>>
>>>>> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but
>>>>> I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
>>>>> where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
>>>>> DNF instances. By year:
>>>>>
>>>>> Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
>>>>> 4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2
>>>>>
>>>>> Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%
>>>>>
>>>>> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
>>>>> months and race number. There are only OW races.
>>>> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
>>>> shit.
>>>>
>>>> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
>>>> wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
>>>> the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
>>>> even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
>>>> want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
>>>> declare Dave "elite".
>>>>
>>>> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
>>>>
>>>> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
>>>>
>>>> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
>>>> finished.
>> Couldn't address this, huh?
>>
>> You lack any integrity.

None at all.

>>>>
>>>> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even
>>>> he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
>>>> trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
>>>> the results could very well have gone the other way.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
>>>>> on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
>>>>> resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
>>>>> your family contribute to the new #21?
>>>> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea
>>>> my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
>>>> purchases, you lying sack of shit?

Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.

Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?

>>>
>>> Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
>>> out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
>>> your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
>>> Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is
>>> an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
>>> digging.
>>>
>>> Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
>>> yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad.
>>> Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging
>>> it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
>>> if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
>>> race in 2019, so no other benchmark.
>> Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
>> in an even more modern FF than mine...
>>
>> ...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
>> me every time.

Didn't address this either.

>>
>> BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see
>> how even Dave and I actually were.
>>
>> There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.
>>
>> In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less
>> than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.
>>
>> The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
>> seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...
>>
>> ...in my favour.
>>> Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
>>> who disagrees as a liar.
>> I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.
>>
>> You worked to earn that.
> Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.

What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?

> It's one thing to
> run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
> you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the
> results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 9:44:27 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
> >>>> 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021
> >>>>>>>> and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
> >>>>>>>> Continental once.
> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
> >>>>>>>>> discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
> >>>>>>>>> new provider unless I can find a free one.
> >>>>>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
> >>>>>>>> financial affairs...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
> >>>>>>>> posting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
> >>>>>>> champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
> >>>>>>> he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
> >>>>>>> convenient.
> >>>>>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April
> >>>>>> of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
> >>>>>> symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
> >>>>>> much the entire racing season.
> >>>> Unacknowledged here...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but you KNEW that...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
> >>>> coming out because Alan McColl came back.
> >> Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.
> What a pissant you are.
> >>>>>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
> >>>>>> myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
> >>>>>> sign up for races based on who is going to be there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
> >>>>>>> nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was
> >>>>>>> the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
> >>>>>>> so yourself, remember?
> >>>>>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
> >>>>>>> with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
> >>>>>>> a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
> >>>>>>> Got one you would recommend?
> >>>>>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
> >>>>>> free one."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
> >>>>> reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
> >>>> And here we go again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
> >>>> to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
> >>>> first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
> >>>> or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside
> >>>> from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
> >>>> more easily obtained.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
> >>>> that it somehow made me faster on the track.
> >> No response? Shocking.
> No balls.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but
> >>>>> I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
> >>>>> where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
> >>>>> DNF instances. By year:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
> >>>>> 4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
> >>>>> months and race number. There are only OW races.
> >>>> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
> >>>> shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
> >>>> wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
> >>>> experience.
> >>>>
> >>>> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
> >>>> the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
> >>>> even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
> >>>> want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
> >>>> declare Dave "elite".
> >>>>
> >>>> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
> >>>>
> >>>> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
> >>>> finished.
> >> Couldn't address this, huh?
> >>
> >> You lack any integrity.
> None at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even
> >>>> he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
> >>>> trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
> >>>> the results could very well have gone the other way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
> >>>>> on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
> >>>>> resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
> >>>>> your family contribute to the new #21?
> >>>> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea
> >>>> my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
> >>>> purchases, you lying sack of shit?
> Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.
>
> Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?
> >>>
> >>> Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
> >>> out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
> >>> your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
> >>> Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is
> >>> an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
> >>> digging.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
> >>> yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad.
> >>> Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging
> >>> it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
> >>> if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
> >>> race in 2019, so no other benchmark.
> >> Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
> >> in an even more modern FF than mine...
> >>
> >> ...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
> >> me every time.
> Didn't address this either.
> >>
> >> BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see
> >> how even Dave and I actually were.
> >>
> >> There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.
> >>
> >> In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less
> >> than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.
> >>
> >> The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
> >> seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...
> >>
> >> ...in my favour.
> >>> Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
> >>> who disagrees as a liar.
> >> I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.
> >>
> >> You worked to earn that.
> > Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.
> What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?
> > It's one thing to
> > run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
> > you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the
> > results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.
> Your own argument is that it was 68%, Liarboy...
>
> ...but the actual number was 9 times he finished ahead of when we both
> finished (I had a DNF on July 28 you miscounted) and 5 times when I
> finished ahead of him. 9/14 is 64%.
> > That
> > PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver.
> I never said he wasn't, Liarboy. But when we're both winning races
> against each other and on balance I was farther ahead (and on the same
> track under the same conditions, my best lap was a full 0.7
> seconds--almost 1%——better than his), it does suggest parity to anyone
> without an ax to grind.
> > I am not accepting your
> > cherry-picked data.
> Look it up yourself:
>
> <https://speedhive.mylaps.com>
> > But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the
> > same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top
> > of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.
> But you've been insisting he's top tier.
>
> And until you realized that I regularly beat Olov, you were insisting HE
> was top tier, too.
>
> Weird, huh?
>
> If I beat Doug next year, will he become "second tier" too?
>
> But this has always been about your bullshit, uniformed, ignorant claim
> that I'm not any good at all. Must I go back and provide the quotes,
> asshole?
>
> :-)
LOL. Fast laps and qualifying positions don't win races or championship points. IF you race next year AND beat Floer or McColl on a regular basis you will join that elite group. I'll send you an email.
Why does what I think even matter to you anyway?

On 2023-12-21 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 9:44:27 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
>>>>>> 11:30, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021
>>>>>>>>>> and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
>>>>>>>>>> Continental once.
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
>>>>>>>>>>> discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
>>>>>>>>>>> new provider unless I can find a free one.
>>>>>>>>>> Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
>>>>>>>>>> financial affairs...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
>>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eternal September, Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
>>>>>>>>> champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
>>>>>>>>> he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
>>>>>>>>> convenient.
>>>>>>>> My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April
>>>>>>>> of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
>>>>>>>> symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
>>>>>>>> much the entire racing season.
>>>>>> Unacknowledged here...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but you KNEW that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
>>>>>> coming out because Alan McColl came back.
>>>> Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.
>> What a pissant you are.
>>>>>>>> I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
>>>>>>>> myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
>>>>>>>> sign up for races based on who is going to be there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was
>>>>>>>>> the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
>>>>>>>>> so yourself, remember?
>>>>>>>> What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
>>>>>>>>> with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
>>>>>>>>> a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
>>>>>>>>> Got one you would recommend?
>>>>>>>> "I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
>>>>>>>> free one."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
>>>>>>> reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.
>>>>>> And here we go again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
>>>>>> to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
>>>>>> first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
>>>>>> or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside
>>>>>> from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
>>>>>> more easily obtained.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
>>>>>> that it somehow made me faster on the track.
>>>> No response? Shocking.
>> No balls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but
>>>>>>> I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
>>>>>>> where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
>>>>>>> DNF instances. By year:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
>>>>>>> 4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
>>>>>>> months and race number. There are only OW races.
>>>>>> There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
>>>>>> wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
>>>>>> the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
>>>>>> even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
>>>>>> want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
>>>>>> declare Dave "elite".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
>>>>>> finished.
>>>> Couldn't address this, huh?
>>>>
>>>> You lack any integrity.
>> None at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even
>>>>>> he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
>>>>>> trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
>>>>>> the results could very well have gone the other way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
>>>>>>> on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
>>>>>>> resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
>>>>>>> your family contribute to the new #21?
>>>>>> Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea
>>>>>> my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
>>>>>> purchases, you lying sack of shit?
>> Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.
>>
>> Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
>>>>> out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
>>>>> your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
>>>>> Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is
>>>>> an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
>>>>> digging.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
>>>>> yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad.
>>>>> Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging
>>>>> it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
>>>>> if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
>>>>> race in 2019, so no other benchmark.
>>>> Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
>>>> in an even more modern FF than mine...
>>>>
>>>> ...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
>>>> me every time.
>> Didn't address this either.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see
>>>> how even Dave and I actually were.
>>>>
>>>> There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.
>>>>
>>>> In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less
>>>> than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.
>>>>
>>>> The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
>>>> seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...
>>>>
>>>> ...in my favour.
>>>>> Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
>>>>> who disagrees as a liar.
>>>> I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.
>>>>
>>>> You worked to earn that.
>>> Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.
>> What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?
>>> It's one thing to
>>> run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
>>> you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the
>>> results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.
>> Your own argument is that it was 68%, Liarboy...
>>
>> ...but the actual number was 9 times he finished ahead of when we both
>> finished (I had a DNF on July 28 you miscounted) and 5 times when I
>> finished ahead of him. 9/14 is 64%.
>>> That
>>> PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver.
>> I never said he wasn't, Liarboy. But when we're both winning races
>> against each other and on balance I was farther ahead (and on the same
>> track under the same conditions, my best lap was a full 0.7
>> seconds--almost 1%——better than his), it does suggest parity to anyone
>> without an ax to grind.
>>> I am not accepting your
>>> cherry-picked data.
>> Look it up yourself:
>>
>> <https://speedhive.mylaps.com>
>>> But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the
>>> same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top
>>> of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.
>> But you've been insisting he's top tier.
>>
>> And until you realized that I regularly beat Olov, you were insisting HE
>> was top tier, too.
>>
>> Weird, huh?
>>
>> If I beat Doug next year, will he become "second tier" too?
>>
>> But this has always been about your bullshit, uniformed, ignorant claim
>> that I'm not any good at all. Must I go back and provide the quotes,
>> asshole?
>>
>> :-)
> LOL. Fast laps and qualifying positions don't win races or championship points. IF you race next year AND beat Floer or McColl on a regular basis you will join that elite group. I'll send you an email.
> Why does what I think even matter to you anyway?