On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 6:01:47 PM UTC-6, Michael S wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:48:49 PM UTC+2, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> > You are one of the most respected posters on USENET and it's just
> > shocking that you don't treat yourself to the best of everything.
<
> The best TV is no TV.
<
I almost agree with you,
I quit watching news, sports (except F1), shows (except old cowboy movies,
and masterpiece theater);
I have to record what I want to watch and skip commercials)--{advertizers beware
I will never buy anything advertised}
I have not watched a commercial in about 10 years.
<
> Got rid of mine a couple of years ago.
<
I need something to do after I quit working and before I go to bed to
occupy my mind so I can get to sleep. This gives me 5 hours to drink
wine and I need a distraction.

According to MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com>:
>> The best TV is no TV.
>> Got rid of mine a couple of years ago.
><
>I need something to do after I quit working and before I go to bed to
>occupy my mind so I can get to sleep. This gives me 5 hours to drink
>wine and I need a distraction.

I haven't had a TV for 40 years. (I tell friends in the TV biz that
I'm waiting for it to be perfected.)

But I listen to a lot of podcasts while taking walks around town and I have
a huge virtual pile of books on my tablet, and medium sized piles of them
next to the bed and in the reading room.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:26:49 AM UTC-7, MitchAlsup wrote:

> Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors)

I got myself a cheap 4K monitor, which I normally use in 1920 x 1080
resolution, because I found *one* purpose for which it is useful to
pop into 4K resolution.

In order to display PDF files of books at a readable resolution if I
wish to have an entire page on the screen at once.

John Savard

> "John Levine" wrote in message news:su9jbi$2val$1@gal.iecc.com...

> According to MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com>:

> >> The best TV is no TV.
> >> Got rid of mine a couple of years ago.

> >I need something to do after I quit working and before I go to bed to
> >occupy my mind so I can get to sleep. This gives me 5 hours to drink
> >wine and I need a distraction.

> I haven't had a TV for 40 years. (I tell friends in the TV biz that
> I'm waiting for it to be perfected.)

I entered this discussion not to recommend that followers of the newsgroup
should rot their brains with what passes for content on the dying medium
of television, but to point out that you can go to Walmart or Best Buy and
get what would be considered a monster monitor for not all that much
money in the form of a 4K TV.

It has the advantage that images and text can be blown up to large size
which is important to me as my ocular acuity wanes. Also it's like having
several monitors because you can keep multiple windows visible without
too much screen crowding. There is what I call the 4K effect where in
a well-produced video some details like frizzies, clothing textures, and
little things like shoelaces and grommets sort of jump out at you.

I remember in pre-50" days when working with students we would be
huddled around the monitor so we could all see what was going on.
Now the whole group is more relaxed because everyone can sit back
in their chairs and still not be alienated from the discussion. It's a
whole different mindset in my experience.

There are disadvantages in that the mouse cursor can get lost in all
that terrain, and working for long periods in an otherwise dark room
can lead to a serious case of video eyes, but overall it seems to me
that a smaller monitor is a relic of the dark ages.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 10:29:15 PM UTC-7, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> but to point out that you can go to Walmart or Best Buy and
> get what would be considered a monster monitor for not all that much
> money in the form of a 4K TV.

Sort of, except that compared to a real monitor, the refresh rate is
limited, which may be a problem in some applications.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 10:29:15 PM UTC-7, James Van Buskirk wrote:
>> but to point out that you can go to Walmart or Best Buy and
>> get what would be considered a monster monitor for not all that much
>> money in the form of a 4K TV.
>
> Sort of, except that compared to a real monitor, the refresh rate is
> limited, which may be a problem in some applications.

Huh?

I haven't seen a single 4K TV which doesn't handle at least 60 Hz, afaik
many/most will do even more.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

Back to original topic:
<
From a fresh powered down boot of the system:
Yesterday, I ran 2 word programs and my draw program without touching the network.
And also never exiting and reloading the apps. these things loaded essentially instantly
in the morning, and got slower as the day went along, mouse HE coordination degrading
over hours.
<
It seemed like page thrashing, but the total system memory footprint never exceeded 25%
I have 64 GB of main memory. Although with 64GB maybe the TLB is thrashing.
<
At the end of the day, I exited the programs and started them back up. startup time was
in the 5 second range, pictures in the word document took seconds to load. The mouse
was hard to control.
<
Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.

"MitchAlsup" wrote in message
news:7e184620-b30d-4e08-b0b1-0f8375e342f5n@googlegroups.com...

> Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
> And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.

Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
You know, something like

tasklist /V >feast.txt

or famine.txt or whatever.

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
> > Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
> > And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
<
> Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
> good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
<
I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
the internet.}
<
I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7.
<
I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my las PC
with no virus protection.
<
(*) no mcafree tasks running at all.
<
I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
<
> You know, something like
>
> tasklist /V >feast.txt
>
> or famine.txt or whatever.

Also note:
<
Logging out and then back in restores most of the performance,
rebooting in its entirely restores a lot more.
<
A clean reboot loads a 30MB Word document in under ¼ second
after logout/login the same document takes about 1 second.
At the end of the day it seems to take ~5 seconds.
<

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
>> news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
>>> Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
>>> And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
> <
>> Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
>> good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
> <
> I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
> the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
> or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
> amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
> the internet.}
> <
> I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
> this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
> However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7.
> <
> I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
> to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my las PC
> with no virus protection.
> <
> (*) no mcafree tasks running at all.

Windows 10 and above have built in virus protection, drop kick McAfree.

Does running Disk Cleanup restore performance like a reboot?
(Disk Cleanup empties the slow down queue.)

For software updates check the fine print and left column for optional
updates, driver updates hide there.

Buy a Microsoft Mouse for comparison.

Microsoft allows software downgrades, install Windows 10 to see if that
fixes it. No key needed, it will license when the internet is connected.
Personally I would grab a spare second hard drive for the Windows 10 so you
can switch back and forth on a reboot.

> I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
> <
>> You know, something like
>>
>> tasklist /V >feast.txt
>>
>> or famine.txt or whatever.
>

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, gg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> >> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> >> news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
> >>> Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
> >>> And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
> > <
> >> Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
> >> good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
> > <
> > I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
> > the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
> > or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
> > amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
> > the internet.}
> > <
> > I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
> > this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
> > However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7.
> > <
> > I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
> > to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my las PC
> > with no virus protection.
> > <
> > (*) no mcafree tasks running at all.
> Windows 10 and above have built in virus protection, drop kick McAfree.
<
I will try this.
>
> Does running Disk Cleanup restore performance like a reboot?
> (Disk Cleanup empties the slow down queue.)
<
the disks are not fragmented and less then ½ full.
in W7 I had the swap disk as a partition on a seldom used disk,
this system has swap file on SSD. The old partition is still available.
>
> For software updates check the fine print and left column for optional
> updates, driver updates hide there.
>
> Buy a Microsoft Mouse for comparison.
<
I tried the mouse that came with in the same box and it was much worse
In the apparent need for a ferrite bead.
>
> Microsoft allows software downgrades, install Windows 10 to see if that
> fixes it. No key needed, it will license when the internet is connected.
> Personally I would grab a spare second hard drive for the Windows 10 so you
> can switch back and forth on a reboot.
> > I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
> > <
> >> You know, something like
> >>
> >> tasklist /V >feast.txt
> >>
> >> or famine.txt or whatever.
> >

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:58:26 PM UTC+2, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> > "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> > news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
> > > Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
> > > And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
> <
> > Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
> > good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
> <
> I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
> the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
> or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
> amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
> the internet.}
> <
> I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
> this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
> However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7.
> <
> I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
> to completely disable it* without uninstalling it.

Why would anybody that can* uninstall McAffee crapware would not want to do it ASAP is beyond my comprehension.

* - in corporate environment one often has no such luxury.

> I lived 10 years on my las PC
> with no virus protection.

That's the sanest way to use a PC, if not to say the only sane way.
Of course, you'd need 2 user accounts, one with and one without admin/power-user privileges and would use the 1st only when installing something.

> <
> (*) no mcafree tasks running at all.

Kernel component of the crap is not necessarily visible in the task list.

> <
> I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
> <
> > You know, something like
> >
> > tasklist /V >feast.txt
> >
> > or famine.txt or whatever.

"MitchAlsup" wrote in message
news:18b4ac1d-fa45-4fd3-9120-d28f88d5af8bn@googlegroups.com...

> I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
> to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my
> las PC
> with no virus protection.

Oh yeah, I had McAfee once. When the monthly Windows Update came
down it would slow down everything, most conspicuously YouTube response.
The only way to fix the problem was to get McAfee on the phone to help
uninstall their crapware, run Windows Update, then reinstall. I have
since switched to Kaspersky and not had that problem any more.
Well, the Windows Update getting clogged happens occasionally even
so, but Kaspersky is easier to uninstall and reinstall.

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, gg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
>>>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
>>>> news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
>>>>> And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
>>> <
>>>> Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
>>>> good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
>>> <
>>> I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
>>> the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
>>> or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
>>> amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
>>> the internet.}
>>> <
>>> I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
>>> this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
>>> However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7.
>>> <
>>> I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
>>> to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my las PC
>>> with no virus protection.
>>> <
>>> (*) no mcafree tasks running at all.
>> Windows 10 and above have built in virus protection, drop kick McAfree.
> <
> I will try this.
>>
>> Does running Disk Cleanup restore performance like a reboot?
>> (Disk Cleanup empties the slow down queue.)
> <
> the disks are not fragmented and less then ½ full.
> in W7 I had the swap disk as a partition on a seldom used disk,
> this system has swap file on SSD. The old partition is still available.

I did not say anything about Disk Cleanup doing a defrag, that’s not it’s
purpose.
Check all the options, and hit the Clean OS button if it appears.
This will free up obsolete and apparently still mapped OS files and empty
the slowdown queue.

For a year old PC running Disk Cleanup is like buying a new PC, it’s fast
again.

>> For software updates check the fine print and left column for optional
>> updates, driver updates hide there.
>>
>> Buy a Microsoft Mouse for comparison.
> <
> I tried the mouse that came with in the same box and it was much worse
> In the apparent need for a ferrite bead.
>>
>> Microsoft allows software downgrades, install Windows 10 to see if that
>> fixes it. No key needed, it will license when the internet is connected.
>> Personally I would grab a spare second hard drive for the Windows 10 so you
>> can switch back and forth on a reboot.
>>> I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
>>> <
>>>> You know, something like
>>>>
>>>> tasklist /V >feast.txt
>>>>
>>>> or famine.txt or whatever.
>>>
>

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:21:49 PM UTC-6, gg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, gg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> >>>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> >>>> news:7e184620-b30d-4e08...@googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> Something in the background seems to be degrading the system.
> >>>>> And the mouse feels like the USB port needs ferrite beads.
> >>> <
> >>>> Have you taken screenshots of Task Manager's Processes page during
> >>>> good and bad performance intervals and compared the two?
> >>> <
> >>> I spend some time with perfmon the other day. Every 5 seconds it seems
> >>> the entire TLB is getting zapped. Even when I am not touching the mouse
> >>> or keyboard, and there is no dynamic activity on the screen. There is a huge
> >>> amount of translation misses. {This is with the machine disconnected from
> >>> the internet.}
> >>> <
> >>> I have not been able to use taskmanager to see which application is causing
> >>> this effect. Apparently the blip is smaller than what TM will allow me to see.
> >>> However, there are about 2× the number of tasks running as in W7..
> >>> <
> >>> I am suspicious of the virus protection SW (McAfree). Does anyone know how
> >>> to completely disable it* without uninstalling it. I lived 10 years on my las PC
> >>> with no virus protection.
> >>> <
> >>> (*) no mcafree tasks running at all.
> >> Windows 10 and above have built in virus protection, drop kick McAfree..
> > <
> > I will try this.
> >>
> >> Does running Disk Cleanup restore performance like a reboot?
> >> (Disk Cleanup empties the slow down queue.)
> > <
> > the disks are not fragmented and less then ½ full.
> > in W7 I had the swap disk as a partition on a seldom used disk,
> > this system has swap file on SSD. The old partition is still available.
> I did not say anything about Disk Cleanup doing a defrag, that’s not it’s
> purpose.
> Check all the options, and hit the Clean OS button if it appears.
> This will free up obsolete and apparently still mapped OS files and empty
> the slowdown queue.
<
OK, I did this. However I never did more than empty recycle bin on my
10 year old W 7 machine.
>
> For a year old PC running Disk Cleanup is like buying a new PC, it’s fast
> again.
> >> For software updates check the fine print and left column for optional
> >> updates, driver updates hide there.
> >>
> >> Buy a Microsoft Mouse for comparison.
> > <
> > I tried the mouse that came with in the same box and it was much worse
> > In the apparent need for a ferrite bead.
> >>
> >> Microsoft allows software downgrades, install Windows 10 to see if that
> >> fixes it. No key needed, it will license when the internet is connected.
> >> Personally I would grab a spare second hard drive for the Windows 10 so you
> >> can switch back and forth on a reboot.
> >>> I did ask the system to check for driver updates. It found none.
> >>> <
> >>>> You know, something like
> >>>>
> >>>> tasklist /V >feast.txt
> >>>>
> >>>> or famine.txt or whatever.
> >>>
> >

MitchAlsup wrote:
> Also note:
> <
> Logging out and then back in restores most of the performance,
> rebooting in its entirely restores a lot more.
> <
> A clean reboot loads a 30MB Word document in under ¼ second
> after logout/login the same document takes about 1 second.
> At the end of the day it seems to take ~5 seconds.

That looks a bit like a failed caching optimization effort, i.e. as the
time goes by, some process (and I agree that your 3rd party antivirus is
a candidate) is saving away more and more history and then use a slow
way to check this cache.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:08:11 AM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> MitchAlsup wrote:
> > Also note:
> > <
> > Logging out and then back in restores most of the performance,
> > rebooting in its entirely restores a lot more.
> > <
> > A clean reboot loads a 30MB Word document in under ¼ second
> > after logout/login the same document takes about 1 second.
> > At the end of the day it seems to take ~5 seconds.
<
> That looks a bit like a failed caching optimization effort, i.e. as the
> time goes by, some process (and I agree that your 3rd party antivirus is
> a candidate) is saving away more and more history and then use a slow
> way to check this cache.
<
Today started with a fresh power up
a) started lightening fast
b) first incidence of slowdown was when I changed the font from Arial to
Times New Roman in charmap.
c) second incidence of slowdown was when I added a word to auto-spell-fixer..
I suspect a memory leak.
<
> Terje
>
> --
> - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:08:11 AM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
>> MitchAlsup wrote:
>> > Also note:
>> > <
>> > Logging out and then back in restores most of the performance,
>> > rebooting in its entirely restores a lot more.
>> > <
>> > A clean reboot loads a 30MB Word document in under ¼ second
>> > after logout/login the same document takes about 1 second.
>> > At the end of the day it seems to take ~5 seconds.
> <
>> That looks a bit like a failed caching optimization effort, i.e. as the
>> time goes by, some process (and I agree that your 3rd party antivirus is
>> a candidate) is saving away more and more history and then use a slow
>> way to check this cache.
> <
> Today started with a fresh power up
> a) started lightening fast
> b) first incidence of slowdown was when I changed the font from Arial to
> Times New Roman in charmap.
> c) second incidence of slowdown was when I added a word to auto-spell-fixer.
> I suspect a memory leak.

Try disabling Windows search indexing.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:
>
> > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:08:11 AM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> >> MitchAlsup wrote:
> >> > Also note:
> >> > <
> >> > Logging out and then back in restores most of the performance,
> >> > rebooting in its entirely restores a lot more.
> >> > <
> >> > A clean reboot loads a 30MB Word document in under ¼ second
> >> > after logout/login the same document takes about 1 second.
> >> > At the end of the day it seems to take ~5 seconds.
> > <
> >> That looks a bit like a failed caching optimization effort, i.e. as the
> >> time goes by, some process (and I agree that your 3rd party antivirus is
> >> a candidate) is saving away more and more history and then use a slow
> >> way to check this cache.
> > <
> > Today started with a fresh power up
> > a) started lightening fast
> > b) first incidence of slowdown was when I changed the font from Arial to
> > Times New Roman in charmap.
> > c) second incidence of slowdown was when I added a word to auto-spell-fixer.
> > I suspect a memory leak.
<
> Try disabling Windows search indexing.
<
Thanks I had forgotten about that.
<
Today's status: I have avoided charmap today, just copying the special characters
I use from other places in my documents. adding a word to auto spell checker did
not results in slowdown.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:57:28 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
> > MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:

> Thanks I had forgotten about that.
> <
> Today's status: I have avoided charmap today, just copying the special characters
> I use from other places in my documents. adding a word to auto spell checker did
> not results in slowdown.
<
Well, I managed to kill OLE with a handful of mouse klicks and a couple of control keys
at the same time. Word no longer has access to things like cut and paste !!!!! but Corel
draw does.
<
Trying to figure out how to reinstall from zero.

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:57:28 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
>>> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Thanks I had forgotten about that.
>> <
>> Today's status: I have avoided charmap today, just copying the special characters
>> I use from other places in my documents. adding a word to auto spell checker did
>> not results in slowdown.
> <
> Well, I managed to kill OLE with a handful of mouse klicks and a couple of control keys
> at the same time. Word no longer has access to things like cut and paste !!!!! but Corel
> draw does.
> <
> Trying to figure out how to reinstall from zero.

Run a powershell as administrator, by right clicking on the start menu
selection for powershell.

Check file system corruption:

sfc /scannow

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth

If problems found:

dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Hi,

On 2/10/2022 8:49 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>>>>
>>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
>>>> much main memory..........
>>>>
>>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
>>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
>>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
>>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
>> <
>>> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
>>> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
>>> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
>>> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
>> <
>> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
>> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
>> <
>> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
>> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
>> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
>> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
>> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
>> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
> <
> <
> <
> I found it.
> <
> Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> with mouse H<->E coordination.

Wow, I've got a couple w11 test machines, so I don't try and "use" them,
saving my main desktop for an OS that is considerably lighter/faster.
I've not seen that, but most of them are on the preview/dev channels.

Anyway, I've had a lot of good luck on win7+ with
https://www.sphinx-soft.com/ "Windows 10 Firewall Control" on machines I
actually try to use as workstations. It claims to support win11, and
I've had good luck running it on win7+, the naming is somewhat
unfortunate, and they change the name every couple years to reflect the
latest version of windows.

Anyway, its a application firewall, of ala zonealarm, little snitch, etc
and does a fabulous job of just blocking telemetry, windows update, you
name it. Its a bit of a PITA when you first install it as you will see
popups like crazy from all the "crapware" on your machine, but after a
couple days of selecting a zone and clicking "always apply" it builds up
a nice machine profile and the popups are infrequent. With the added
benefit that should you catch a virus/whatever its unusual enough it
forms another layer of defense. Particularly if your already doing
ad/malware filtering in your browser/DNS/etc. Plus, so far, windows
hasn't tried to revert its settings, unlike all the reg/etc hacks for
disabling various other "critical to MS, but not the user" windows
components that mysteriously get re-enabled after every windows update.

Also a big advantage of it over some of the other similar choices is
that it actually is just a frontend shim to the built in windows
firewall your probably already using, so its not installing more crap in
kernel mode. There are a number of other advantages too (including the
fact that is a perpetual license), just check out their page and give
the trial a spin.

Disclaimer: I'm in no way affiliated with these guys, except that i've
purchased their product.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:57:46 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Linton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2/10/2022 8:49 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
> >> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
> >>> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> >>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
> >>>>
> >>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> >>>> much main memory..........
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> >>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> >>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> >>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> >> <
> >>> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
> >>> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
> >>> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate..
> >>> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
> >> <
> >> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
> >> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
> >> <
> >> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
> >> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
> >> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
> >> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
> >> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
> >> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
> > <
> > <
> > <
> > I found it.
> > <
> > Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> > with mouse H<->E coordination.
>
> Wow, I've got a couple w11 test machines, so I don't try and "use" them,
> saving my main desktop for an OS that is considerably lighter/faster.
> I've not seen that, but most of them are on the preview/dev channels.
>
> Anyway, I've had a lot of good luck on win7+ with
<
one of the reasons I stayed with W7 for an entire decade was--it annoyed me little.
W8 annoyed me a lot
my wife's W10 annoys me all the time
<
I suspect W11 is using a hypervisor or more layers of WoW than before or both.
<
> https://www.sphinx-soft.com/ "Windows 10 Firewall Control" on machines I
> actually try to use as workstations. It claims to support win11, and
> I've had good luck running it on win7+, the naming is somewhat
> unfortunate, and they change the name every couple years to reflect the
> latest version of windows.
>
> Anyway, its a application firewall, of ala zonealarm, little snitch, etc
> and does a fabulous job of just blocking telemetry, windows update, you
> name it. Its a bit of a PITA when you first install it as you will see
> popups like crazy from all the "crapware" on your machine, but after a
> couple days of selecting a zone and clicking "always apply" it builds up
> a nice machine profile and the popups are infrequent. With the added
> benefit that should you catch a virus/whatever its unusual enough it
> forms another layer of defense. Particularly if your already doing
> ad/malware filtering in your browser/DNS/etc. Plus, so far, windows
> hasn't tried to revert its settings, unlike all the reg/etc hacks for
> disabling various other "critical to MS, but not the user" windows
> components that mysteriously get re-enabled after every windows update.
>
> Also a big advantage of it over some of the other similar choices is
> that it actually is just a frontend shim to the built in windows
> firewall your probably already using, so its not installing more crap in
> kernel mode. There are a number of other advantages too (including the
> fact that is a perpetual license), just check out their page and give
> the trial a spin.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm in no way affiliated with these guys, except that i've
> purchased their product.
<
Status: Last night I did a complete reload from the cloud of W11, and in
the morning found out that you can't get through setup without giving
MS your email and password. And that this process does not let you
use your real actual password if it is not strong enough. So the only
way through is to give MS your account and password, and after your
system is running smoothly, change all your passwords again.
<
I have pass through socialist countries with less passport hassle.

Hi,

On 2/21/2022 9:20 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:57:46 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Linton wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2/10/2022 8:49 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
>>>>>> much main memory..........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
>>>>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
>>>>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
>>>>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
>>>> <
>>>>> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
>>>>> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
>>>>> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
>>>>> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
>>>> <
>>>> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
>>>> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
>>>> <
>>>> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
>>>> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
>>>> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
>>>> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
>>>> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
>>>> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
>>> <
>>> <
>>> <
>>> I found it.
>>> <
>>> Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
>>> with mouse H<->E coordination.
>>
>> Wow, I've got a couple w11 test machines, so I don't try and "use" them,
>> saving my main desktop for an OS that is considerably lighter/faster.
>> I've not seen that, but most of them are on the preview/dev channels.
>>
>> Anyway, I've had a lot of good luck on win7+ with
> <
> one of the reasons I stayed with W7 for an entire decade was--it annoyed me little.
> W8 annoyed me a lot
> my wife's W10 annoys me all the time
> <
> I suspect W11 is using a hypervisor or more layers of WoW than before or both.
> <
>> https://www.sphinx-soft.com/ "Windows 10 Firewall Control" on machines I
>> actually try to use as workstations. It claims to support win11, and
>> I've had good luck running it on win7+, the naming is somewhat
>> unfortunate, and they change the name every couple years to reflect the
>> latest version of windows.
>>
>> Anyway, its a application firewall, of ala zonealarm, little snitch, etc
>> and does a fabulous job of just blocking telemetry, windows update, you
>> name it. Its a bit of a PITA when you first install it as you will see
>> popups like crazy from all the "crapware" on your machine, but after a
>> couple days of selecting a zone and clicking "always apply" it builds up
>> a nice machine profile and the popups are infrequent. With the added
>> benefit that should you catch a virus/whatever its unusual enough it
>> forms another layer of defense. Particularly if your already doing
>> ad/malware filtering in your browser/DNS/etc. Plus, so far, windows
>> hasn't tried to revert its settings, unlike all the reg/etc hacks for
>> disabling various other "critical to MS, but not the user" windows
>> components that mysteriously get re-enabled after every windows update.
>>
>> Also a big advantage of it over some of the other similar choices is
>> that it actually is just a frontend shim to the built in windows
>> firewall your probably already using, so its not installing more crap in
>> kernel mode. There are a number of other advantages too (including the
>> fact that is a perpetual license), just check out their page and give
>> the trial a spin.
>>
>> Disclaimer: I'm in no way affiliated with these guys, except that i've
>> purchased their product.
> <
> Status: Last night I did a complete reload from the cloud of W11, and in
> the morning found out that you can't get through setup without giving
> MS your email and password. And that this process does not let you
> use your real actual password if it is not strong enough. So the only
> way through is to give MS your account and password, and after your
> system is running smoothly, change all your passwords again.
> <
> I have pass through socialist countries with less passport hassle.
>

They made that change in win10 a couple years ago, but in that case you
could bypass it by assuring the machine didn't have a network
connection, and clicking some non-obvious "button". I've done that a
couple times recently, including on the win11 machines I'm using.
Although I've read recently they have changed that behavior for win11
home/pro as well to make it a lot harder. Installing from the cloud was
probably the majority of your mistake. I'm still running with local
accounts, but then I have to sign in with a ms approved email and refuse
to share/sync contacts, in order to switch to the dev updates channel.
So they win in the end, but its possible to sign back out, but the whole
thing is a PITA because I don't really want to see email/etc on a
development target. I think they are locking down 3rd party drivers more
in win11 too, that's a bit mixed, because I've been pretty impressed
with the WHQL labs cert process/etc. I've rarely see windows crashes
since the early 2000s/vista, so its working. The few times I've seen
them its always been "crapware" drivers, most recently Oculus was taking
a machine it was connected to down. (yah, I kd !analyze my windows
dumps, ms should just do that too, with a giant "The hardware/driver
from manufacture X is crashing your machine" some of these companies
could use more public shaming for their garbage). So, the fact that I
can't remember the last time I saw a WHQL driver in a dump is a big plus
for me.