On 2021-10-22 3:18 a.m., tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sktvtq$bhe$1@dont-email.me...
>> grinch <grinch@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> and guess what - it has a different charge cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> and yet the world has not ended.
>>>>
>>>> but it still creates unnecessary environmental waste that can be
>>>> avoided
>>>> if we tried harder
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is exactly why the EU wants  Apple to use the same standard USB C
>>> cable ,so all mobile phones can be charged with the same cable reducing
>>> the E-waste.
>>>
>>> The reason Apple  don't want to is purely financial ,why charge your
>>> customers £5 for a cable when you can charge the £25 for something that
>>> does the exact same thing. They are used to paying more for their
>>> products than necessary.
>>>
>>> IMHO Apple products are for the type of person that likes designer
>>> labels they are the nike of customer electronics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Can you stop propagating this myth that lightning cables are so
>> expensive.
>> I can buy a pack of three for £10 on Amazon, certified as part of Apple’s
>> MFI programme. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the rest of the
>> argument,
>> the basic facts need to be correct.
>
> and yet when I walked into the Apple store they said £24.99 please
>
> I was aghast

"Free will": look it up.

On 10/22/2021 2:14 AM, grinch wrote:
>
>>>> and guess what - it has a different charge cable.
>>>
>>> and yet the world has not ended.
>>
>> but it still creates unnecessary environmental waste that can be
>> avoided if we tried harder
>
>
> Which is exactly why the EU wants  Apple to use the same standard USB C
> cable ,so all mobile phones can be charged with the same cable reducing
> the E-waste.
>
> The reason Apple  don't want to is purely financial ,why charge your
> customers £5 for a cable when you can charge the £25 for something that
> does the exact same thing. They are used to paying more for their
> products than necessary.

Actually it's not just the cable costs since there are plenty of
after-market Lightning cables that sell for only about 2x the cost of a
comparable USB-C cable. It's the MFi royalties that Apple gets from
Lightning accessories.

In any case, with or without an EU rule change, Apple will eventually
follow what they already did with the iPad Pro and move to USB-C, for
two reasons: data speed and power. USB-C transfers data much faster and
can charge at much higher power levels.

In article <skuv3s$3q2$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Actually it's not just the cable costs since there are plenty of
> after-market Lightning cables that sell for only about 2x the cost of a
> comparable USB-C cable.

nope. aftermarket lightning cables are comparable in price for similar
quality usb-c cables.

> It's the MFi royalties that Apple gets from
> Lightning accessories.

mfi royalties are a tiny fraction of apple's revenue.

it's a well debunked myth that apple uses lightning for revenue
purposes.

> In any case, with or without an EU rule change, Apple will eventually
> follow what they already did with the iPad Pro and move to USB-C, for
> two reasons: data speed and power. USB-C transfers data much faster and
> can charge at much higher power levels.

you don't know what apple will or will not do.

tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
> news:skhsda$8c7$1@dont-email.me...
>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:skggeu$cvv$1@dont-email.me...
>>> It's impossible to lose those items individually. They are embedded
>>> inside the camera. I lose all or nothing (if I am daft enough to lose
>>> the camera)
>>>
>>> Long gone has the time where you needed spare memory cards because you
>>> expected to fill one up on a single holiday.
>>>
>>>> pro photographers bring multiple *cameras* just in case one stops
>>>> working, falls into the river, etc.
>>
>> What I would suggest is taking a PC (eg a laptop) and a backup drive, and
>> backing up the photos from camera card to laptop and external HDD at the
>> end of each day. Carry the external HDD on your person if you are flying.
>> Then if the hold baggage gets mislaid, you may lose the camera and the
>> laptop,
>
> you put an expensive camera and laptop in checked luggage?
>
> madness!

Also contrary to regulations if it has a lithium ion battery.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:skhsda$8c7$1@dont-email.me...
>>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:skggeu$cvv$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> It's impossible to lose those items individually. They are embedded
>>>> inside the camera. I lose all or nothing (if I am daft enough to lose
>>>> the camera)
>>>>
>>>> Long gone has the time where you needed spare memory cards because you
>>>> expected to fill one up on a single holiday.
>>>>
>>>>> pro photographers bring multiple *cameras* just in case one stops
>>>>> working, falls into the river, etc.
>>>
>>> What I would suggest is taking a PC (eg a laptop) and a backup drive, and
>>> backing up the photos from camera card to laptop and external HDD at the
>>> end of each day. Carry the external HDD on your person if you are flying.
>>> Then if the hold baggage gets mislaid, you may lose the camera and the
>>> laptop,
>>
>> you put an expensive camera and laptop in checked luggage?
>>
>> madness!
>
> Also contrary to regulations if it has a lithium ion battery.
>
>

That’s not entirely correct.

https://www.caa.co.uk/Passengers/Before-you-fly/Baggage/Items-that-are-allowed-in-baggage/

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:skhsda$8c7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:skggeu$cvv$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> It's impossible to lose those items individually. They are embedded
>>>>> inside the camera. I lose all or nothing (if I am daft enough to lose
>>>>> the camera)
>>>>>
>>>>> Long gone has the time where you needed spare memory cards because you
>>>>> expected to fill one up on a single holiday.
>>>>>
>>>>>> pro photographers bring multiple *cameras* just in case one stops
>>>>>> working, falls into the river, etc.
>>>>
>>>> What I would suggest is taking a PC (eg a laptop) and a backup drive, and
>>>> backing up the photos from camera card to laptop and external HDD at the
>>>> end of each day. Carry the external HDD on your person if you are flying.
>>>> Then if the hold baggage gets mislaid, you may lose the camera and the
>>>> laptop,
>>>
>>> you put an expensive camera and laptop in checked luggage?
>>>
>>> madness!
>>
>> Also contrary to regulations if it has a lithium ion battery.
>>
>>
>
> That’s not entirely correct.
>
> https://www.caa.co.uk/Passengers/Before-you-fly/Baggage/Items-that-are-allowed-in-baggage/

Good to know. Thanks for the correction.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> news:skhsda$8c7$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:skggeu$cvv$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>> It's impossible to lose those items individually. They are embedded
> >>>>> inside the camera. I lose all or nothing (if I am daft enough to lose
> >>>>> the camera)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long gone has the time where you needed spare memory cards because you
> >>>>> expected to fill one up on a single holiday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> pro photographers bring multiple *cameras* just in case one stops
> >>>>>> working, falls into the river, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> What I would suggest is taking a PC (eg a laptop) and a backup drive, and
> >>>> backing up the photos from camera card to laptop and external HDD at the
> >>>> end of each day. Carry the external HDD on your person if you are flying.
> >>>> Then if the hold baggage gets mislaid, you may lose the camera and the
> >>>> laptop,
> >>>
> >>> you put an expensive camera and laptop in checked luggage?
> >>>
> >>> madness!
> >>
> >> Also contrary to regulations if it has a lithium ion battery.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > That?s not entirely correct.
> >
> > https://www.caa.co.uk/Passengers/Before-you-fly/Baggage/Items-that-are-allowed-in-baggage/
>
> Good to know. Thanks for the correction.

Well, better safe than sorry.

On our trip with Singapore Airlines, I had to take the (USB) power
pack from our (to be) checked baggage and put it in our carry-on (cabin)
baggage.

Also I think the referenced document is conflicting with itself. See
for example the section 'Baggage equipped with a lithium battery(ies)'
which says lithium ion batteries over 2.7 Wh must be carried in the
cabin, which is (IMO) in conflict with the 'Portable electronic devices'
section about laptops, cameras, etc., which *does* allow such batteries
in the hold.

grinch <grinch@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>> and guess what - it has a different charge cable.
>>>
>>> and yet the world has not ended.
>>
>> but it still creates unnecessary environmental waste that can be avoided
>> if we tried harder
>
>
> Which is exactly why the EU wants Apple to use the same standard USB C
> cable ,so all mobile phones can be charged with the same cable reducing
> the E-waste.
>
> The reason Apple don't want to is purely financial ,why charge your
> customers £5 for a cable when you can charge the £25 for something that
> does the exact same thing. They are used to paying more for their
> products than necessary.
>
> IMHO Apple products are for the type of person that likes designer
> labels they are the nike of customer electronics.

Hmmm. I must be holding it wrong. I don't have any designer labels. Not
even Nikes - calling them designer is a joke.

I do, however, like well-made and reliable products. You get what you pay
for.

On 2021-10-26 9:29 a.m., Chris wrote:
> grinch <grinch@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> and guess what - it has a different charge cable.
>>>>
>>>> and yet the world has not ended.
>>>
>>> but it still creates unnecessary environmental waste that can be avoided
>>> if we tried harder
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly why the EU wants Apple to use the same standard USB C
>> cable ,so all mobile phones can be charged with the same cable reducing
>> the E-waste.
>>
>> The reason Apple don't want to is purely financial ,why charge your
>> customers £5 for a cable when you can charge the £25 for something that
>> does the exact same thing. They are used to paying more for their
>> products than necessary.
>>
>> IMHO Apple products are for the type of person that likes designer
>> labels they are the nike of customer electronics.
>
> Hmmm. I must be holding it wrong. I don't have any designer labels. Not
> even Nikes - calling them designer is a joke.
>
> I do, however, like well-made and reliable products. You get what you pay
> for.
>

I'm very sorry, Chris, but I must inform you that any off topic post
here is forbidd...

No, let me modify that.

I must inform you that any off topic post here that is positive about
Apple products is forbidden.

Anything negative you'd like to say about them will pass without comment.

:-)

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2021-10-26 9:29 a.m., Chris wrote:
>> grinch <grinch@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> and guess what - it has a different charge cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> and yet the world has not ended.
>>>>
>>>> but it still creates unnecessary environmental waste that can be avoided
>>>> if we tried harder
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is exactly why the EU wants Apple to use the same standard USB C
>>> cable ,so all mobile phones can be charged with the same cable reducing
>>> the E-waste.
>>>
>>> The reason Apple don't want to is purely financial ,why charge your
>>> customers £5 for a cable when you can charge the £25 for something that
>>> does the exact same thing. They are used to paying more for their
>>> products than necessary.
>>>
>>> IMHO Apple products are for the type of person that likes designer
>>> labels they are the nike of customer electronics.
>>
>> Hmmm. I must be holding it wrong. I don't have any designer labels. Not
>> even Nikes - calling them designer is a joke.
>>
>> I do, however, like well-made and reliable products. You get what you pay
>> for.
>>
>
> I'm very sorry, Chris, but I must inform you that any off topic post
> here is forbidd...
>
> No, let me modify that.
>
>
> I must inform you that any off topic post here that is positive about
> Apple products is forbidden.
>
> Anything negative you'd like to say about them will pass without comment.

I bloody hate how reliable and well supported iphones are! I wish they'd
fall apart after two years so that I have to buy a new one.

Is that better?