On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 18:32:45 -0500, nospam wrote:

> nope. what i said was that there are many ways for a phone to determine
> its location, among which includes cellular.

Again, you can be forgiven for not understanding what I asked because you
lack formal education, so you're not aware that adults back up their claims.

How does an _app_ determine its location from your cellular signal, nospam?

> typically, an app requests location and the os will use one or more of
> the available options, depending on the desired precision, power
> management, acquisition speed and various other factors.

How does an _app_ determine its location from your cellular signal, nospam?

How?
--
Uneducated people are unaware that adults are expected to back up claims.

On 2/8/2022 4:29 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 14:58:19 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>> In the end, she [Andy's daughter] learned that only an utter
>>> idiot would do what AJL does.
>>
>> Better hope that she makes enough in her working life like AJL did
>> so that she doesn't have to sweat the small stuff in her retirement
>> like her dad does...

> It's not free if it costs you a thousand dollars for that "free"
> service.

The modem costs me .001 of my monthly income. Not all that big a dent.

> You said, and I quote: "I'm fortunate in that I don't have to worry
> about saving a few dollars a month so that having a rented company
> modem that updates itself and has free service if it fails is worth
> it to me."

Your quote is wrong. I put 'free' in quotation marks in my original post
indicating that I knew that Cox's touted free modem service wasn't
actually "free".

> I said that the savings are appreciable, over a ten year time frame

That's true of most everything. I just calculated what I spend on sodas
in ten years. It's enough to buy a new car. Should I quit and start
saving?? Nah...

In article <stv38k$1394$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> How does an _app_ determine its location from your cellular signal, nospam?

i've already explained it more than once. if you want the gory details,
go read the documentation, not that you'll understand any of it, since
you failed to understand the simple explanations.

you have *no* clue how location works, which means any attempts to
spoof it are guaranteed to fail.

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:02:50 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I said that the savings are appreciable, over a ten year time frame
>
> That's true of most everything. I just calculated what I spend on sodas
> in ten years. It's enough to buy a new car. Should I quit and start
> saving?? Nah...

You are welcome to justify your math any way you want to justify it.

The basic math is what I teach my grandkids which is that an item isn't free
if you have to pay for it, which is a lesson that ties into the associated
lesson of expending the $150 capital expenditure, up front... to save well
over a thousand dollars in subscriptions over the lifetime of the equipment.

I don't really have any beef how you justify the math though.
I was just saying it's not free if it costs over a thousand dollars.
That's all.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 21:12:30 -0500, nospam wrote:

> i've already explained it more than once.

No you haven't nospam.

The fact you think you have is obvious but again, people like you who
completely lack any education whatsoever, think that waving your hands
answers the question.

Every sentence from you nospam, shows your complete lack of education.

> if you want the gory details,
> go read the documentation, not that you'll understand any of it, since
> you failed to understand the simple explanations.

There's more about it in this thread than you'll ever know, nospam:
*Fused.location* by Jeff Layman, Andy Burns, & me
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/n5U6mJHr6oM>

> you have *no* clue how location works, which means any attempts to
> spoof it are guaranteed to fail.

It's clear you are below average in intelligence, but that's worlds above
the rest of the iKooks, where your lack of education is astounding, nospam.

You have to bring up at least a single shred of reliable evidence if you
expect your fabricated claims to not be challenged by educated people.

On 2/8/2022 7:37 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:02:50 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I said that the savings are appreciable, over a ten year time
>>> frame
>>
>> That's true of most everything. I just calculated what I spend on
>> sodas in ten years. It's enough to buy a new car. Should I quit
>> and start saving?? Nah...

> You are welcome to justify your math any way you want to justify it.

I'm not arguing with your math. We just spend our money differently. I
remember a lady who died living like a pauper but had a million in the
bank. That's not gonna be me.

BTW I just got a new Windows Asus Spin 5 laptop with a 3:2 screen just
like my old Samsung Chromebook has. Sure do like that screen but they
don't seem to be all that popular for some reason. Love my new toys. Not
gonna be like that old lady...

> I don't really have any beef how you justify the math though. I was
> just saying it's not free if it costs over a thousand dollars.
> That's all.

It's not free if it costs ONE dollar...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:11:52 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I don't really have any beef how you justify the math though. I was
>> just saying it's not free if it costs over a thousand dollars.
>> That's all.
>
> It's not free if it costs ONE dollar...

That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to you.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:11:52 -0700, AJL wrote:

>>> I don't really have any beef how you justify the math though. I
>>> was just saying it's not free if it costs over a thousand
>>> dollars. That's all.

>> It's not free if it costs ONE dollar...

> That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to you.

I never said that the Cox modem service wasn't free. YOU changed my
quotes (by removing my quotation marks around "free") to make it appear
that I said that. It's bad Usenet manners to change quotes to favor
one's argument you know.

Or perhaps it was just a simple reading comprehension problem on your
highly educated part like thinking I was complaining about Cox when I
wasn't. In any case I forgive you and turn this juvenile discussion (not
up to Arlen's adult standards) back to the thread. So let the crude insults
begin. Bet you can't stop... ;)

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 3:06 PM, sms wrote:
> > On 2/8/2022 1:58 PM, AJL wrote:
>
> >> My original hotspot notification was buried in other Cox announcements.
> >> My GUESS judging from the large number of Cox hotspots in my area is
> >> that most folks likely missed it.
> >
> > Yes, it's intentional by the ISPs to not make it so obvious that
> > subscribers would think to disable it. It doesn't cost the subscriber
> > any money, it doesn't affect speeds, and it doesn't use any extra
> > electricity.
>
> But it affects paranoia... 8-O

Ah! I see! Is *that* the way they slurp all that highly personal data
about me and use it with their super-secret no-data-in/ads-out
algoritms!?

That scares the <excrements> out of me and I was already trembling in
my wooden shoes!

Sorry, have to dash now! High time to switch off my hot-spot,
uninstall WhatsApp, change my name, telephone number and e-amil address
and shutdown this laptop.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 06:09:37 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:11:52 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>>> I don't really have any beef how you justify the math though. I
>>>> was just saying it's not free if it costs over a thousand
>>>> dollars. That's all.
>
>>> It's not free if it costs ONE dollar...
>
>> That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to you.
>
>I never said that the Cox modem service wasn't free. YOU changed my
>quotes (by removing my quotation marks around "free") to make it appear
>that I said that. It's bad Usenet manners to change quotes to favor
>one's argument you know.

Trolls are well-known for having bad Usenet manners.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 09:41:24 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

>>I never said that the Cox modem service wasn't free. YOU changed my
>>quotes (by removing my quotation marks around "free") to make it appear
>>that I said that. It's bad Usenet manners to change quotes to favor
>>one's argument you know.
>
> Trolls are well-known for having bad Usenet manners.

The _adults_ on this newsgroup will notice that Ken Blake comes in, trolling
as he _always_ does, calling everyone else a troll, and yet...

a. Everyone else added on topic technical value
b. Ken Blake didn't & never will... because he can't

All Ken Blake _can_ do... is troll.
--
I suspect Ken Blake is actually Alan Baker... but time will tell.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 06:09:37 -0700, AJL wrote:

> I never said that the Cox modem service wasn't free.

Stop it.

Stop playing childish games that only work on trolls like Ken Blake.
Don't get mad at me for proving so easily that you are an utter fool.

You were clearly and obviously trying to belittle people who save money.
You were loudly proclaiming you're rich enough to waste your money.

Do you think everyone here is an idiot like that Ken Blake troll is?

Be a man.
Own up to your own words.

On 9 Feb 2022 16:12:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> That scares the <excrements> out of me

Frank belittles people who want privacy because _he_ can't back up his claims.

I find it rather revealing the instant this Frank Slootweg troll is asked to
back up his claims, he then proclaims that anyone wanting privacy is a kook.

Even after saying that his "excrement" is still inside of him, Frank _still_
hasn't backed up his claims about privacy.

All Frank did was hand wave, exactly as Frank accuse the iKooks of doing.
--
Frank belittles people who want privacy because he can't back up his claims.

On 2/8/2022 9:03 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 7:48 AM, AJL wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> There is a 3rd type of hotspot in my area. My ISP (Cox) company supplied
>> modems have a built in hotspot. Any nearby Cox subscriber can enter his
>> password to use any of these modem hotspots. Since Cox is a large
>> company there are thousands of these small hotspots available. (Cox
>> also has larger ranging company hotspots in the commercial areas.)
>
> Same with Comcast/Xfinity. Though a lot of subscribers pay the monthly
> fee for a modem, or modem/router, with that "feature" a lot buy their
> own modem and router since it's less expensive.

Comcast just raised the modem rental fee again, to $14 per month.

The issue for a lot of users is that buying a proper modem, or
modem/router, is a one-time expense of $100-300 and that's more of a
financial burden than paying a monthly fee, even though in less than a
year the monthly rental fee could pay for a modem/router.

There are also some people stay up at night worried that the cable
companies are not making enough money. They take positive steps to give
the cable companies as much money as possible. When I told my
sister-in-law who moved out of her house, that she should have her
sister, who moved in, should establish new service because it would save
several hundred dollars a year, she said that it was too much of a hassle.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 11:18:26 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/8/2022 9:03 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 2/8/2022 7:48 AM, AJL wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> There is a 3rd type of hotspot in my area. My ISP (Cox) company supplied
>>> modems have a built in hotspot. Any nearby Cox subscriber can enter his
>>> password to use any of these modem hotspots. Since Cox is a large
>>> company there are thousands of these small hotspots available. (Cox
>>> also has larger ranging company hotspots in the commercial areas.)
>>
>> Same with Comcast/Xfinity. Though a lot of subscribers pay the monthly
>> fee for a modem, or modem/router, with that "feature" a lot buy their
>> own modem and router since it's less expensive.
>
>Comcast just raised the modem rental fee again, to $14 per month.
>
>The issue for a lot of users is that buying a proper modem, or
>modem/router, is a one-time expense of $100-300 and that's more of a
>financial burden than paying a monthly fee, even though in less than a
>year the monthly rental fee could pay for a modem/router.

I suppose that's true for some people, but it's hard for me to imagine
almost anyone making the choice to rent it from Comcast.

On 2/9/2022 12:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> I suppose that's true for some people, but it's hard for me to imagine
> almost anyone making the choice to rent it from Comcast.

It's not difficult for me to imagine. Many people would not know what to
buy or how to hook it up. You get no support from Comcast for
subscriber-owned equipment. Also, a lot of subscribers are not
price-sensitive.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 12:28:06 -0800, sms wrote:

>> I suppose that's true for some people, but it's hard for me to imagine
>> almost anyone making the choice to rent it from Comcast.
>
> It's not difficult for me to imagine. Many people would not know what to
> buy or how to hook it up.

What Steve just said is complete and total bullshit in my experience.
*You plug the cable in & call Comcast who sets it up over the cable*

How difficult is it to plug it in for even an ignorant person like Steve?

> You get no support from Comcast for
> subscriber-owned equipment.

I helped college kids get setup with Comcast & two other outfits and _none_
of those three didn't provide setup support (which is trivial by the way).

In fact, in _all_ three case (multiple companies) the cable company set it
up for free (no service charge, no shipping charges, no nothing charges).

1. The college kid plugged it into the wall outlet
2. The college kid attached the coax cable
3. The college kid called the Comcast 800 number to set it up

For Steve to claim many people don't know how to do that just shows that
people who are unfathomably ignorant like Steve is constantly prove to own a
completely imaginary belief system based on exactly zero actual facts.

> Also, a lot of subscribers are not
> price-sensitive.

There's a difference between being price sensitive, and being stupid, Steve.
--
BTW, I found out from Jeff Lieberman that the main difference between Docsis
3.0 and 3.1 is gigabit speeds, which most of these kids aren't paying for.

So that five year old $120 Arris Costco cable modem is still going strong.

In article <stvaa4$146b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> > if you want the gory details,
> > go read the documentation, not that you'll understand any of it, since
> > you failed to understand the simple explanations.
>
> There's more about it in this thread than you'll ever know, nospam:
> *Fused.location* by Jeff Layman, Andy Burns, & me

not only is that claim completely false, but what's worse is that you
don't understand much of anything in that thread.

also keep in mind i've written numerous mobile apps that use location
and know how it works in all sorts of ways.

you have not written any apps at all, let alone anything with location.
you even failed at writing sample code.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:55:37 -0500, nospam wrote:

> also keep in mind i've written numerous mobile apps that use location
> and know how it works in all sorts of ways.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is bullshit.
Let me tell you something nospam, where I hope I don't hurt your feelings.

You're ignorant.
Not stupid so much as you lack normal intelligence.
You're below average intelligence for sure.

That's why you respond to all facts with that "ftfy" childish crap.
You don't have the basic normal intelligence to react to facts as an adult.

And.

You have no education at all.
None.

It's doubtful you even have a high school diploma, nospam.
You're _that_ uneducated.

Everything you claim turns out to be complete bullshit, nospam.
Day in and day out.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is bullshit.

You _say_ you write apps, but that's almost certainly pure bullshit.
Almost everything you claim, nospam, turns out to be complete bullshit.

You can't even respond to basic facts like an adult would, nospam.
All you _can_ do, nospam, is bullshit.

On 06/02/2022 21:12, micky wrote:
> I have a transatlantic flight scheduled soon and I got an email from
> Delta with information.
>
> Part of it says "You can also message for free from your smartphone via
> iMessage, Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp (limited to text and emojis,
> SMS unavailable)."
>
> How is SMS unavailable if you can do all the things listed? I thought,
> for example, that Whatsapp texting *was* SMS.
>
>
> BTW, you can also "book, change, or check the status of your flight on
> delta.com, all without purchasing a Wi-Fi pass". That's good.
>
>
> (You can buy a subscription even when you're already in the air. A
> monthly domestic plan is $50 (and includes Mexico and Canada!) and a
> monthly global plan is 70. You can use either provider, and I wonder if
> there is a plan that works on several airlines at once, not that I would
> ever need one.)

Whatsapp is definitely not SMS.
Two different things.

Fokke

Fokke Nauta wrote:
> Whatsapp is definitely not SMS.
> Two different things.

Signal isn't sms either. Yet you can set Signal to
act as your standard sms/mms app.

-p