On 5/2/2023 1:31 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-05-02, David Turner <dturner@islandco.com> wrote:
>> We still have 60+ Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz left in stock
>>
>> Link:
>>
>> https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server
>
> Interesting that you still have that number left. IIRC, in the old days,
> your Alpha systems used to be sold rather quickly. Has there been a move
> to Itanium systems or to Alpha emulators ?

For professional usage then these systems are not very attractive. They
are approx. 20 years old and noone wants to bet production on 20 year
old HW if they have any alternatives.

Alternatives:
- buy DS15/DS25/ES45 instead of DS10/DS20/ES40 as they are a few years
younger and a bit faster
- migrate to Itanium and HW that are a lot faster and only about 10
years old
- migrate to an Alpha emulator that will run on brand new HW and
if one is willing to pay for JIT version should also be faster
- migrate off VMS

And hobbyists are very much focused on x86-64 right now.

Arne

Well we have sold 50+ of them
Thing is, the commercial systems are selling better than hobbyists systems.
The commercial system we install a brand new Island power supply so that
will make them last considerably longe
The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major customer,
DOW Chemicals.
Strangely, they were running an Emulator, but seem to be reverting back
to the real Alpha

On 5/2/2023 5:01 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-05-02 kl. 19:31, skrev Simon Clubley:
>> On 2023-05-02, David Turner <dturner@islandco.com> wrote:
>>> We still have 60+ Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz left in stock
>>>
>>>
>>> Link:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Interesting that you still have that number left. IIRC, in the old days,
>> your Alpha systems used to be sold rather quickly. Has there been a move
>> to Itanium systems or to Alpha emulators ?
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> According to a friend that deals with older equipment
> in Sweden, it was the DS15/DS25 systems that was really
> looked for and was (this was a couple of years ago)
> priced "very well", so to speak.

Den 2023-05-03 kl. 05:31, skrev David Turner:

> The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major customer,
> DOW Chemicals.

Actually, I was told the same from an VSI representative 1-2 years ago.
That DOW took whatever they could find of the DS15s...

On 5/3/2023 2:51 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-05-03 kl. 05:31, skrev David Turner:
>> The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major
>> customer, DOW Chemicals.
>
> Actually, I was told the same from an VSI representative 1-2 years ago.
> That DOW took whatever they could find of the DS15s...

So HPE sales people have two standard phrases ready:

"No mr. M$ company - we no longer sell VMS systems"

"Yes mr. B$ company - we will get you the VMS systems you need"

:-)

I hope VSI get paid for support contract on everyone of those
systems.

Arne

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:04:59 AM UTC-4, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:
>
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
> What does "workstations" imply here?
> A DS10 is usually a "server"...

it implies they can be used as a workstation. I put 32 of these out in the field at my former job as workstations.
They had a VT320 or 420 as a console. I ran DECNET Phase IV over IP as a connection and transferred accounting data and accounting
program changes over the internet. I could log on instantly to any location across the country. What a setup. Worked beautifully.

Shipping to EU now with our new discounts is about $250 for the DS10 or
a DS15

On 8/16/2022 5:14 PM, Hans Bachner wrote:
> David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
>> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>>
>>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers,
>>>> which are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>>
>>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>>>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>>
>>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose
>>>> over here in the USA
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if interested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Turner
>>>>
>>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>>
>>>
>>> I may be interested.
>>>
>>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
>>> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
>>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
> >
> >
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>
> I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
> to Europe?
>
> Hans.

In article <dMydnTbPKLcBSMz5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@supernews.com>,
dturner@islandco.com (David Turner) wrote:

> The DS15s are being scooped up globally by HPE for their major
> customer, DOW Chemicals.

Had a vaguely similar case about 2005. We had a bunch of HP9000 systems
(PA-RISC running HP-UX) that were useful for software testing: they
trapped on various conditions more reliably than other platforms. The UK
dealer who'd been supplying their maintenance and knew what we had
offered to swap them 1:1 for faster models, free of charge, fully
reconditioned, with five years of maintenance thrown in.

Obviously, this looked too good a deal. What was the catch? He insisted
there wasn't one, but was vague about why he was doing it. We gradually
got information about who he was going to sell them to. I called them up
and asked for the IT department. "We don't have one any more, IBM do it
all."

It emerged they sold big industrial HVAC systems that used HP9000s as
controllers. IBM knew nothing about those machines, and would pay very
highly for ones of the right model. They were all very compatible, but
IBM were not putting any resources into finding that out.

John

On 03/05/2023 18:54, David Turner wrote:
> Shipping to EU now with our new discounts is about $250 for the DS10 or
> a DS15
>

When I priced this it came out at around $1000 for system with minimal
licences. Is this about right?

>
>
> On 8/16/2022 5:14 PM, Hans Bachner wrote:
>> David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
>>> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>>>
>>>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers,
>>>>> which are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>>>
>>>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>>>>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>>>
>>>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose
>>>>> over here in the USA
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if interested
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Turner
>>>>>
>>>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I may be interested.
>>>>
>>>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
>>>> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
>>>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
>> >
>> >
>> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>>
>> I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
>> to Europe?
>>
>> Hans.
>
>

John Dallman wrote:

> It emerged they sold big industrial HVAC systems that used HP9000s as
> controllers. IBM knew nothing about those machines, and would pay very
> highly for ones of the right model.

I chucked out a 9000/800-F10, one of the densest servers I ever had to
lift ...

About right with NO licenses

On 5/4/2023 3:54 AM, David Wade wrote:
> On 03/05/2023 18:54, David Turner wrote:
>> Shipping to EU now with our new discounts is about $250 for the DS10
>> or a DS15
>>
>
> When I priced this it came out at around $1000 for  system with
> minimal licences. Is this about right?
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 8/16/2022 5:14 PM, Hans Bachner wrote:
>>> David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
>>>> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>>>>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers,
>>>>>> which are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>>>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here
>>>>>> probably end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose
>>>>>> over here in the USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if interested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Turner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I may be interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary
>>>>> or are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models? Are they consistently
>>>>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>>>
>>> I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is
>>> shipping to Europe?
>>>
>>> Hans.
>>
>>
>