Andy Burnelli wrote:

>We've covered this _many times_ on the Apple newsgroups, even.
>So it's odd that you don't remember what we've covered many times.

Hello Arlen,

Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.
Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.
Unfortunately though...

-- I don't have a memory like a steel trap as you do. Nothing ever
escapes yours.
-- I don't read every post on the newsgroup. Once Jolly Roger gets
involved I know the discussion has reached toilet level.
-- I'm not subscribed to the Android groups.

In article <trnd7u$2c43g$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> So does Android release these updates faster and directly to the end user
> or must they wait for the phone manufacturer to perform their tests before
> it gets installed?

yes. the device manufacturer decides when (or if) to release any
updates. some stuff is pushed directly from google, regardless of
device, but not all.

since google controls the google pixel series, those get the release
first (and generally for the longest time).

<https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/why-does-it-take-so-long-for-my-p
hone-to-receive-android-updates>
Google doesn't distribute Android as a piece of software that's ready
for use. Companies that make devices that use it.

It almost has to be this way because there are thousands of different
Android-powered devices and they all use an individually modified
version of the operating system. Even devices that are in the same
family, like the Galaxy S22+ and the Galaxy S22 Ultra, use a
different version of the software because the hardware is different.
The way Google licenses the Android branding ensures that all of them
can run every app you find in the Google Play Store.
....
As you can see there are many individual steps involved before a new
version of Android can be sent out to your phone. Each one of them
takes time to get done. Carriers also play a part in the update
process because they need to evaluate any effect features and changes
will have on their networks. If you bought your phone from a carrier
store, it can slow things down even further.

<https://www.androidpolice.com/when-will-my-phone-get-android-13/>
Google shot the starting pistol on Android 13's rollout in
mid-August, with stable builds now available for supported Pixel
devices. The company has also updated the Android Open Source
Project with the new version. Other Android manufacturers will be
responsible for adapting the new software to their devices. That
process will take some time, but a few plucky OEMs have been making
their speedy efforts known. We'll update this article with pertinent
information on a periodic basis.

> In other words, is there a real life difference in how
> quickly the end user receives a security patch?

very much so.

it's a major reason why nearly all ios devices are running the latest
version, versus android which lags greatly.

In article <xn0nxqbhg5qvvbo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy Burnelli wrote:
> >We've covered this _many times_ on the Apple newsgroups, even.
> >So it's odd that you don't remember what we've covered many times.
>
> Hello Arlen,
>
> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.

incorrectly.

> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.

he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.

Am 05.02.23 um 13:27 schrieb nospam:
> In article <xn0nxqbhg5qvvbo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> We've covered this _many times_ on the Apple newsgroups, even.
>>> So it's odd that you don't remember what we've covered many times.
>>
>> Hello Arlen,
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.
>
> incorrectly.
>
>> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.
>
> he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 2023-02-04 23:11, Alan wrote:

> Don't worry about it.
>
> If iOS updates were routinely smaller than Android updates, Arlen would
> find some reason that larger was better.

This.

Which is really why everyone should refrain from answering it at all.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On 2/5/2023 4:13 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> -- I don't read every post on the newsgroup. Once Jolly Roger gets
> involved I know the discussion has reached toilet level.

That's a limitation of Usenet readers where you can filter out trolls
but you can't filter out the responses to trolls without filtering out
the respondent completely.

--
“How beautiful it is to stay silent when someone expects you to be
enraged.” ― Giada De Laurentiis

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:27:43 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <xn0nxqbhg5qvvbo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
>badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> >We've covered this _many times_ on the Apple newsgroups, even.
>> >So it's odd that you don't remember what we've covered many times.
>>
>> Hello Arlen,
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.
>
>incorrectly.
>
>> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.
>
>he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.

I guess he thinks he's Goebbels.

sms wrote:

>On 2/5/2023 4:13 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>-- I don't read every post on the newsgroup. Once Jolly Roger gets
>>involved I know the discussion has reached toilet level.
>
>That's a limitation of Usenet readers where you can filter out trolls
>but you can't filter out the responses to trolls without filtering
>out the respondent completely.

My newsreader Xananews has very powerful filtering capabilities but I
don't use them, except in a.h.r. were some bozo named Peeler feels it
necessary to respond to every single message with absolutely nothing
but drivel. I think he had 508 messages last month. And of course
NewsTap can't filter out anybody, merely label the message with a
color. In any case, I don't need my newsreader to censor anybody here,
I can choose whether to read their message or not. Occasionally I will
look at Jolly Roger's messages to see if he's grown up yet but I'm
really losing hope.

On 2023-02-05, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:27:43 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>>In article <xn0nxqbhg5qvvbo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
>>badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> >We've covered this _many times_ on the Apple newsgroups, even. So
>>> >it's odd that you don't remember what we've covered many times.
>>>
>>> Hello Arlen,
>>>
>>> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff
>>> again.
>>
>>incorrectly.
>>
>>> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.
>>
>>he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.
>
> I guess he thinks he's Goebbels.

He's definitely following that playbook.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

badgolferman wrote:

> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.

I'm sorry.

I apologize for getting frustrated with you badgolferman. It's just that
I've never met people in my life who are so resistant to the truth.

I've graduated from the best schools in the country, and worked alongside
the smartest people in Silicon Valley for decades - and I was kind of
hoping you'd be in that category of someone who can remember details.

The fact is iOS updates in a monolithic manner while _all_ other common
consumer operating systems update in pieces, using asynchronous layers.

> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.

A apologize for getting frustrated that you didn't know the simplest most
basic most well-known most common things about how Android updates.

Suffice to say nobody on this newsgroup to my knowledge except me and Andy
Burns (who knows a LOT more than I do about it) knows how Android updates.

> Unfortunately though...

If you are getting all your news from the likes of Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Jolly Roger, Steve, and nospam, then you are NOT getting it from a reliable
source.

> -- I don't have a memory like a steel trap as you do.

I'm not the only one with a "steel trap" memory on this newsgroup though.
Look in this same thread at the three responses from Andy Burns please.

Here's one where Joerg spewed rot he likely just made up, yet even so, Andy
Burns, unlike me, rather patiently responded in detail to Joerg's concerns.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/fpIACZI6RCc/m/AkjQjYWJAgAJ>

Bear in mind Andy Burns knows far more about this stuff than I ever will.
So if you read nothing else on this topic, read Andy Burns' posts please.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/fpIACZI6RCc/m/I7l4vaFbAgAJ>

Andy and I spent weeks of our lives trying to figure out how to tell when
Android has been updated - it's that freakin' seamless, badgolferman.

We can't even tell (unless we look at the specific app subversions
of dozens of core Android modules which are updated under the covers).

> Nothing ever escapes yours.

It is true that my intelligence and apt knowledge stems from what is the
one thing the iKooks and Steve do not have, which is a memory for details.

It's common, for example, to tell an iKook like nospam or Alan Browne
something and then, days, weeks & years later - they will deny it again.

In fact, I've never met, in person, people _that_ incredibly ignorant.

They believe stuff that wasn't even true two decades ago, and they hold it
dear for the rest of their lives - truth be damned - they're that stupid.

While I expect morons like Joerg or Jolly Roger or Lewis to misunderstand
everything, I wouldn't have expected those like Alan Browne to be as stupid
as he is - nor even nospam or Steve - but they're all incredibly ignorant.

Suffice to say if you're getting all your data from them - it's wrong.
Why? Because Steve & nospam have an agenda & Alan Browne is just stupid.

> -- I don't read every post on the newsgroup.

I do. Well, of course, not every post. But every fact.
Facts are lost on the iKooks. But I retain facts.

That's how I can aptly summarize iOS as a primitive Paleolithic monolith.
Many of the horrible problems with iOS stem from that one simple fact.

> Once Jolly Roger gets
> involved I know the discussion has reached toilet level.

This is very true. Or Lewis. Or Joerg. Or Alan Browne. Or Alan Baker.
If you added up their IQs, the sum total would still would be below normal.

> -- I'm not subscribed to the Android groups.

I don't expect you to believe me just because I said it, other than for you
to realize I have _never_ steered you wrong - but I do expect you to
understand what Andy Burns and I have been saying since we say the truth.

Neither of us cares to defend Google when we both claim in this very thread
that many of the Android updates last longer than anyone even knows, and,
in addition, many other Android updates are so seamless, we can't even tell
that they happened without digging into the code to find the subversion
changes of dozens upon dozens of key critical core Android modules.

Please at least read _this_ one post on this thread from Andy about that.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/fpIACZI6RCc/m/aaQA6CSCAgAJ>

In summary, I apologize for getting frustrated that you didn't know the
first thing of how iOS or Android update. I can't believe people don't know
what seems to me everyone knows, but that's what Apple newsgroups are...

Ken Blake wrote:

> I guess he thinks he's Goebbels.

What do you know about Project Mainline, Ken Blake?
HINT: Nothing.

Have you, Ken Blake, ever, in your entire life, added even one tidbit of
on-topic technical value to _any_ Usenet thread in the history of Usenet?

Since I _do_ provide on-topic technical value, unlike you, Ken Blake,
I will continue forward by adding that value which you consider propaganda.

The fact remains that the iKooks like nospam and Jolly Roger don't even
know how iOS updates let alone that Android updates completely differently.

Intelligent people like Andy Burns have already said, in this very thread,
how fantastically seamless Android updates are, such that most of the time
you can't even tell that dozens of core Android modules were updated.

That happens under the covers, over the Internet, without the carriers.

Before you respond with your "Joseph Goebbels" idiocy, Ken Blake, read this
so that you can be updated on how Android is updated since Android 10.

*Everything you need to know about Android's Project Mainline*
<https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/>

That's way back from 2020, but it's clear neither you, nor Jolly Roger, nor
nospam, nor Alan Browne, nor even Steve or badgolferman, is aware of that.

It has been improved (and renamed multiple times) since then, such that
over two dozen core Android modules are seamlessly updated as we speak.

The update is so seamless, people who _look_ for them, like Andy Burns did,
can tell they've been updated but only if they look at the module versions.

That's how seamless the forever updates are for Android nowadays, Ken
Blake. After having said all this, how much of that will your brain retain?
--
People who are stupid, like Ken Blake, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, Jolly
Roger, Joerg Lorenz, and, well even Steve, unfortunately, will never learn.

Alan Browne wrote:

> Which is really why everyone should refrain from answering it at all.

It's important for adults to note Alan Browne owns such a kindergarten
brain, the _best_ insult he can come up with is to call a person, "it".

Here's my _adult_ response to Alan Browne's childish taunts...
Alan: Please tell us, Alan... *What do you know about Project Mainline?*

Here's a hint:
*About modular system components*
<https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/modular-system>

On 2023-02-05 11:46, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain this stuff again.
>
> I'm sorry.

For being such a colossal ass?

>
> I apologize for getting frustrated with you badgolferman. It's just that
> I've never met people in my life who are so resistant to the truth.

So it's an apology...

....where you blame the person you've wronged.

Got it.

Am 05.02.23 um 20:41 schrieb Jolly Roger:
> On 2023-02-05, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:27:43 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.
>>
>> I guess he thinks he's Goebbels.
>
> He's definitely following that playbook.

Hart wie Krupp-Stahl und schnell wie Windhunde?

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 05.02.23 um 20:25 schrieb sms:
> On 2/5/2023 4:13 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> -- I don't read every post on the newsgroup. Once Jolly Roger gets
>> involved I know the discussion has reached toilet level.
>
> That's a limitation of Usenet readers where you can filter out trolls
> but you can't filter out the responses to trolls without filtering out
> the respondent completely.

Certainly you can but once more you have no clue how it works.
Hint: "Ignore subthread"

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

In article <k4af3vFgp5eU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >>> Fortunately it appears you don't mind repeating yourself many times.
> >>
> >>he thinks if he repeats it enough, people will believe it.
> >
> > I guess he thinks he's Goebbels.
>
> He's definitely following that playbook.

both of the resident trolls do.

Andy Burnelli wrote:

>In summary, I apologize for getting frustrated that you didn't know
>the first thing of how iOS or Android update. I can't believe people
>don't know what seems to me everyone knows, but that's what Apple
>newsgroups are...

Well, I never claimed to be anything but an end user. If my phone is
inferior and susceptible to security risks, I will deal with it when
the time comes. I just want it to work properly and do the things I
want. For the most part my iPhone 14 achieves those goals, but as you
know I can find shortcomings and annoyances with it as well. As I've
mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
which aren't available on Android, and I don't want to learn a new
operating system. If that makes me ignorant and frustrates you then we
will have to both live with that. In the meantime I find you
entertaining and informative so I will continue to watch your messages,
but I have no inclination to switch to Android in the near future.

In article <xn0nxqr9w6cav4v003@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> As I've
> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
> which aren't available on Android,

how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <xn0nxqr9w6cav4v003@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As I've
>> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
>> which aren't available on Android,
>
> how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
> things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?
>

NewsTap is not available on Google Play and the Android newsreader
alternatives are far inferior. That’s just one.

nospam wrote:

>> He's definitely following that playbook.
>
> both of the resident trolls do.

I have an agenda, nospam, and everything I post supports my agenda.
1. To answer questions and to learn from others (like Andy Burns).
2. And to prove iKooks (and Steve) for the feculence you truly are.

Everyone has an agenda, where my agenda is simply the truth.
Yours, nospam, is to defend everything Apple, to the death.

Steve's is always running for office, so to speak.
His actions show he is a political animal.

Both you and he twist the truth to serve your purposes.
For example, he used false claims about FCC maps for years.

You make false claims for every flaw in Apple products.
That wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many flaws.

How many imaginary iOS apps have you brazenly fabricated nospam?
Wi-fi debugging. On-device firewalls. Tor Browser. GPS spoofers.

The others, like Joerg, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, Chris & Jolly Roger don't
matter as they simply hate that their whole lives everyone has told them
they're stupid - and then I tell them the same thing they were told.

There are a few, like badgolferman & Ant who aren't iKooks, and they're not
political animals. They just don't know anything about iPhones or iOS.

Back to you and Steve, the main issue with both of you is that you have no
morals. No fealty to truth. No adherence to facts. No shame whatsoever.

Me? You all _hate_ me.
Steve because I show he's wrong, and you because I show you're wrong.

I don't mind you hate me because the worst thing you can ever say about me
is that you _hate_ that you can't find any facts I say to be wrong.

Bear in mind the reason my facts are never wrong isn't because I'm likely
smarter than all of you combined - but simply because I don't say things
that aren't facts.

That's why you hate me, nospam.
And that's OK.

I have two goals on this newsgroup:
1. To answer questions and to learn from others (like Andy Burns).
2. To prove you iKooks (and Steve) for the filth you truly are.

To that end, here is a reference you iKooks & Steve need to read.
*How Project Mainline is solving Android�s fragmentation problem*
<https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/>
--
HINT: You won't read it because you prefer to remain ignorant.

badgolferman wrote:

> Well, I never claimed to be anything but an end user.

Hi badgolferman,

You are an end user. As is Ant. As am I. We just want to know the facts.

What's _different_ about us, from the iKooks in particular, is we don't
gloat when Microsoft, Google, Canonical or Apple make huge profits off us.

For any of them to make ungodly profits off of us would be a bad thing.
It would mean we're stupid.

We can accept the good and the bad about each of those companies.
But we don't religiously defend any one of them to the death.

Specifically, unlike the iKooks, we won't lie for them.
We have morals. Honor. Fealty to the truth. Allegiance to the facts.

That's because our ego isn't built into their operating systems.
We don't care what the truth happens to be.

We just want to know what the truth _is_.

> If my phone is inferior and susceptible to security risks, I will
> deal with it when the time comes.

You don't understand me if that's what you think is the message.
The message that I convey is not that - my message is the truth.

The truth can be good. It can be bad. It can be a bit of both.
But it's _always_ the truth.

That's what separates both you and me from the likes of Steve & nospam.

All I want from _you_ is for _you_ to understand the truth.
Nothing more. Nothing less.

> I just want it to work properly and do the things I
> want. For the most part my iPhone 14 achieves those goals, but as you
> know I can find shortcomings and annoyances with it as well.

Again, I don't know if you understand me by you explaining that, because
I'm the same as you are with Android, Windows, iOS, and Linux.

I'm not in love with Microsoft.
I'm not in love with Google.
I'm not in love with Apple.
I'm not in love with Canonical.

My allegiance is to truth; not to any one of those motherships.
I tell the truth for all of them.

On an Android newsgroup, on a Linux newsgroup, on a Windows newsgroup and
on an Apple newsgroup - I simply tell the truth by providing the facts, and
by providing assessments of those facts (which people can disagree with).

If I make a mistake - I admit it.
You know this to be true.

You know _everything_ I'm saying to be true.

What frustrated me was how little you knew about both iOS and Android,
and that people were feeding you completely incorrect information.

I apologize for being frustrated with you and hence being short.
I wrote that off the cuff - as I write this - so it's from my heart.

You know how _different_ I am from Steve and the iKooks.
*Simply stated... I have morals. They don't.*

> As I've
> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
> which aren't available on Android, and I don't want to learn a new
> operating system.

What app is it that you feel the functionality doesn't exist on Android?
I'll look to see if it does.

You do not have to take me up on this offer, but it's my assessment (note
the difference between a fact and an assessment of facts please) that there
will almost never (if ever) be any app _functionality_ on iOS (all by its
itty bitty self) that isn't (usually already) on Android.

I stated the logical sensible factual reasons for that assessment, which
can be (too-simply) summarized as "Apple locks apps out; Google can't".

I'm quite sure you have "apps" on iOS which aren't on Android; but I'm not
so sure you have app _functionality_ on iOS which isn't on Android for the
reasons I stated above.

Having said that, I'm quite sure there are similar app functionalities on
both platforms (e.g., news apps) which you might like better - but that's a
completely different argument that I am not ever going to defend as that's
never what I'm saying.

I'm also quite sure there are apps that play nice in the walled garden,
i.e., with your Mac for example, that aren't on Android; but again, that's
why I'm always speaking of app functionality on iOS not on Android all by
its itty bitty self since Apple does play well inside the walled garden.

With all that in mind, you just saying what you said without mentioning the
apps is like saying your neighbors are nicer than are mine - where I can't
disprove or prove your statement until and unless you tell me the app.

Steve does the same thing, and, of course, it's nospam's signature to claim
every app that ever existed on iOS is better than any app for Android.

What app is it that you feel the functionality doesn't exist on Android?

> If that makes me ignorant and frustrates you then we
> will have to both live with that.

I'm sorry for intimating you were ignorant of how iOS and Android update.

You have to understand I've worked with super intelligent people my whole
life, and now that I'm retired living in the mountains, I am more on the
Internet than I ever was - and well - the world just isn't the same.

What frustrates me with you was that I _expect_ Steve and the iKooks to be
completely ignorant of anything that's ever said about Android or iOS.

But I had expected you to know more than you do.
It's my fault. Not yours.

I apologize.

> In the meantime I find you
> entertaining and informative so I will continue to watch your messages,
> but I have no inclination to switch to Android in the near future.

I have absolutely zero desire to be entertaining, and, in fact, I've said
many times that the iKooks are on Usenet merely for their own amusement.

I'm sure I entertain people like Alan Browne who probably has an IQ no
higher than 50, but that's like saying kicking dogs amuses Alan Browne.

To be entertaining to an iKook takes nothing more than a moving slinky.

What I want to be is informative, and I wish to stress nobody on this
newsgroup (or any newsgroup for that matter) has ever found my stated facts
to be wrong.

If I say that iOS has more zero-day holes than Android, that's a fact.
Of course, the iKooks won't _believe_ that fact.
They'll scream bloody murder, in fact, saying that it's wrong.

They'll ask for proof. And then ask again. And again. And again.
They'll _never_ click on the links that I provide backing up that fact.

Hence, what _you_ see, is me stating a fact that is hard for you to
believe, which is that iOS has more zero-day holes than Android, and then
all you see are a zillion iKooks denying that fact.

It never occurs to you that the iKooks can never supply a counter fact.
That is the part that frustrated me about you, badgolferman.

You _believe_ the iKooks... not all of them... and not all the time.
But for you to not believe me _because_ an iKook denied facts - is
troublesome for me about you (or about anyone).

You have to assess the _credibility_ of the person.
My credibility is stellar.

If, perchance, I'm wrong, I'll simply admit it and learn from it.
That's why I'm so knowledgeable badgolferman. Because I care.

In addition, I defer to those who know far more than I do, which,
sometimes, actually is Steve or nospam (but never the others).

For example, I often not only buy but recommend to others the hardware that
Steve researches, and if nospam ever says the truth, I defer to him too.

But what you need to understand about me, badgolferman, is that I'm a
person who cares that people get the _correct_ answer, whatever it is.

People like nospam and Steve have no loyalty to the truth.

If they speak the truth, it's only an accident if truth lines up with their
agenda.

On 2023-02-05 15:28, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Well, I never claimed to be anything but an end user.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> You are an end user. As is Ant. As am I. We just want to know the facts.
>
> What's _different_ about us, from the iKooks in particular, is we don't
> gloat when Microsoft, Google, Canonical or Apple make huge profits off us.

You just whine like a little girl that Apple makes good profits...

....because people like their products.

<snip your yammer>

In article <trpe2p$3gae1$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> You have to understand I've worked with super intelligent people my whole
> life

too bad you didn't learn a thing from any of them.

badgolferman wrote:

>>> As I've
>>> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
>>> which aren't available on Android,
>>
>> how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
>> things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?
>>
>
> NewsTap is not available on Google Play and the Android newsreader
> alternatives are far inferior. That�s just one.

Hi badgolferman,

Oh Jesus. Lord have mercy on my soul. What is wrong with people's brains?
*That's just one?*

Are you taking all your cues now from Alan Browne? Alan Baker? Snit? Who?
Certainly you haven't understood a word _I_ said on that topic.

I expect nospam to be ignorant, badgolferman.
But I do not expect you to say something _that_ stupid. Seriously.

Why don't you understand the English language badgolferman?
I don't mean that as an insult - I mean it seriously.

How can you so badly misconstrue what I asked of you?
What part of the English language do you _not_ understand?

You need to understand the basic structure of the words in the English
language when they write things like you and nospam just wrote above.

*That's _not_ one* for Christs sake.

What you wrote above is simply that you happen to like one implementation
of a newsreader than another, which could happen even if you were comparing
app functionality within the same platform, let alone crossing platforms.

*That's just one.*

Great. There are a billion others too. Steve, for example, happens to like
the functionality of the Apple news app over that of Android news apps.

*That's just one.*

And nospam happens to like the functionality of the Apple fingerprint
reader over the Android fingerprint readers.

*That's just one.*

How did _any_ of you get through college thinking that liking one similar
app functionality over another is the same thing as not having the choice
of any of that app functionality?

*That's just one.*

It's not.

In fact... *That's _not_ just one*.
For you to day "That's just one" is just ridiculous when it doesn't answer
the question of what app functionality is _completely missing_ from iOS.

I don't own the social skills to even begin to communicate with people who
can't tell the difference between an app that you like better than another
versus a functionality that doesn't exist.

It's a basic component of the English language to understand.
And yet you don't understand?

Why not?

I get it nospam is too stupid to understand.
And Steve has his own political agenda.

Both have no morals.
Both feel no compunction for the truth.

But you?
Why you?

Why can't you understand a concept that is as simple as major functionality
(such as gps mock location for example) that is on one platform, which is
_completely missing_ from the other platform?

What you are doing, in effect, is the same as if I said I like done gps
spoofer better than another, and then, after having said that perfectly
reasonable statement, I then concluded that gps spoofing doesn't exist.

That would be an illogical statement from me, right?
And yet, you feel no shame in saying the same thing?
*That's just one?*

Seriously. That is NOT just one.
Both platforms have newsreader functionality.

You happen to _like_ one over the other, and I happen to like one of them
over the other too - but the app functionality exists on both platforms.

What I said very clearly was that there is likely zero app functionality on
iOS not already on Android for basic obvious well known reasons.
a. Apple _restricts_ app functionality on the app store;
b. Google does too - but Google can't restrict sideloading.

Since most app functionality comes from developers, they _can't_ put their
app on the Apple App Store or the Google App Store if the motherships don't
want them to - but - and this is the difference - with Android - any
typical user can sideload which is no harder or less safe than regular
loading. It's even easier and more safe - but let's not go there.

In summary, you need to retract "That's just one" if you are to be taken as
a credible adult who comprehends the basic structure of the English
language.

That's _not_ just one.

On 2023-02-05 15:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>>>> As I've
>>>> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
>>>> which aren't available on Android,
>>>
>>> how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
>>> things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?
>>>
>>
>> NewsTap is not available on Google Play and the Android newsreader
>> alternatives are far inferior. That�s just one.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> Oh Jesus. Lord...

....are you tedious!