nospam wrote:

>> As I've
>> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
>> which aren't available on Android,
>
> how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
> things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?

Why does nospam always prove to be ignorant of everything he says?

Being on this newsgroup is frustrating because you're all stupid.
I expect nospam to be stupid, but I was shocked that badgolferman is too.

I admit that I don't own the social skills to explain to people as
incredibly stupid as you seem to be when you can't comprehend that both
platforms have newsreaders.

They may suck on both platforms, and they might even suck a lot less on the
Apple platform; but merely liking one over the other doesn't change the
fact that newsreader app functionality is clearly on both platforms.

For badgolferman to deny that fact is just preposterous.
And for nospam to agree with that factual denial is just as ridiculous.

Does nobody on this Apple newsgroup understand a word of English?
a. There's a difference between _liking_ an app functionality over another,
b. Versus that app functionality being completely missing on the platform.

After all these years, _none_ of you strange people can understand that?

The fact remain salient that Apple blocks app functionality and so does
google but Google can't stop the developers from posting apps which users
can easily sideload.

That's the _biggest_ difference between the platforms and it's huge.

As a direct result of that fact above, nobody yet has ever been able to
list an app functionality on iOS not (usually long ago) already on Android.

If you could - you would.
But you can't.

I was sincerely hoping that badgolferman would tell me of an app
functionality that iOS had, all by its itty bitty self, that wasn't on
Android - and the fact he thinks newsreaders aren't on Android is a
problem.

Newsreaders are on both platforms.
I care for the truth so I will ask the simple question again.

What app functionality do you feel you need which you think is on Apple's
App Store but which isn't already (usually long ago) on one of Android's?
*Name just one*

nospam wrote:

>> You have to understand I've worked with super intelligent people my whole
>> life
>
> too bad you didn't learn a thing from any of them.

When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement that
newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android, I knew you were lying.

You don't believe a word you say, nospam - because honor isn't your shtick.
But I think badgolferman actually _believes_ what he just said. Sigh.

What is bothersome to me was that it's clear badgolferman actually
_believes_ that there is no newsreader functionality on Android.

Based on... um... based on... ummmmm... absolutely zero facts whatsoever.

I believe badgolferman believes newsreader functionality isn't on Android.
I just do not have the social skills to get it into his head that it does.

The end result is that there will likely _never_ be any app functionality
on iOS that isn't already (usually long ago) on Android simply because
a. Apple and Google may restrict the app functionality they don't like,
b. But Google can't stop a typical user from easily sideloading,
c. While Apple not only can, but Apple does.

That none of you understand a word I said above is not a reflection on me.

In article <trph04$3l420$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement that
> newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android,

nobody said anything close to that.

> We know I am lying.

ftfy.

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>>>> As I've
>>>> mentioned before there are certain apps on my phone I find essential
>>>> which aren't available on Android,
>>>
>>> how can that be? i read here in this very newsgroup that android does
>>> things that ios can't, in more than 150 ways. is that wrong?
>>>
>>
>> NewsTap is not available on Google Play and the Android newsreader
>> alternatives are far inferior. Thatขs just one.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> Oh Jesus. Lord have mercy on my soul. What is wrong with people's brains?
> *That's just one?*
>
> Are you taking all your cues now from Alan Browne? Alan Baker? Snit? Who?
> Certainly you haven't understood a word _I_ said on that topic.
>
> I expect nospam to be ignorant, badgolferman.
> But I do not expect you to say something _that_ stupid. Seriously.
>
> Why don't you understand the English language badgolferman?
> I don't mean that as an insult - I mean it seriously.
>
> How can you so badly misconstrue what I asked of you?
> What part of the English language do you _not_ understand?
>
> You need to understand the basic structure of the words in the English
> language when they write things like you and nospam just wrote above.
>
> *That's _not_ one* for Christs sake.
>
> What you wrote above is simply that you happen to like one implementation
> of a newsreader than another, which could happen even if you were comparing
> app functionality within the same platform, let alone crossing platforms.
>
> *That's just one.*
>
> Great. There are a billion others too. Steve, for example, happens to like
> the functionality of the Apple news app over that of Android news apps.
>
> *That's just one.*
>
> And nospam happens to like the functionality of the Apple fingerprint
> reader over the Android fingerprint readers.
>
> *That's just one.*
>
> How did _any_ of you get through college thinking that liking one similar
> app functionality over another is the same thing as not having the choice
> of any of that app functionality?
>
> *That's just one.*
>
> It's not.
>
> In fact... *That's _not_ just one*.
>
> For you to day "That's just one" is just ridiculous when it doesn't answer
> the question of what app functionality is _completely missing_ from iOS.
>
> I don't own the social skills to even begin to communicate with people who
> can't tell the difference between an app that you like better than another
> versus a functionality that doesn't exist.
>
> It's a basic component of the English language to understand.
> And yet you don't understand?
>
> Why not?
>
> I get it nospam is too stupid to understand.
> And Steve has his own political agenda.
>
> Both have no morals.
> Both feel no compunction for the truth.
>
> But you?
> Why you?
>
> Why can't you understand a concept that is as simple as major functionality
> (such as gps mock location for example) that is on one platform, which is
> _completely missing_ from the other platform?
>
> What you are doing, in effect, is the same as if I said I like done gps
> spoofer better than another, and then, after having said that perfectly
> reasonable statement, I then concluded that gps spoofing doesn't exist.
>
> That would be an illogical statement from me, right?
> And yet, you feel no shame in saying the same thing?
> *That's just one?*
>
> Seriously. That is NOT just one.
> Both platforms have newsreader functionality.
>
> You happen to _like_ one over the other, and I happen to like one of them
> over the other too - but the app functionality exists on both platforms.
>
> What I said very clearly was that there is likely zero app functionality on
> iOS not already on Android for basic obvious well known reasons.
> a. Apple _restricts_ app functionality on the app store;
> b. Google does too - but Google can't restrict sideloading.
>
> Since most app functionality comes from developers, they _can't_ put their
> app on the Apple App Store or the Google App Store if the motherships don't
> want them to - but - and this is the difference - with Android - any
> typical user can sideload which is no harder or less safe than regular
> loading. It's even easier and more safe - but let's not go there.
>
> In summary, you need to retract "That's just one" if you are to be taken as
> a credible adult who comprehends the basic structure of the English
> language.
>
> That's _not_ just one.
>

Arlen, I was responding to nospam’s question about what app iOS has which
Google Play does not. I was not talking about functionality.

Another app I must have is FindMy to be able to find my son who is
currently at University of Virginia. He has had many medical problems such
as spontaneous pneumothorax over the years and ends up in the hospital on
occasion. Unfortunately some of these medical emergencies have happened
when he has been out camping and we have been able to reach him just
because I was able to find him.

It seems as if you think I’m trying to antagonize you or something. Or
maybe you feel I’m just an idiot who is below you. I assure you I have no
desire to get on your bad side, but if you’ve lost patience with me then I
will have to be placed on The List of Arlen.

nospam wrote:

>> When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement that
>> newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android,
>
> nobody said anything close to that.

The fact you brazenly lie shows you have no respect for the truth, nospam.

I have provided many well-documented instances of app functionality on
Android which is impossible to find in the Apple App Store, nospam.

Items such as automatic call recording, graphical wi-fi debugging,
system-wide on-device firewalls & gps mock location spoofing to name a few.

All you & Steve (and now badgolferman?) can do is _lie_ that you know of
secret known-only-to-you hidden app functionality on iOS not on Android?

WTF.
Either you're all pitifully brazen cowardly filthy liars, or not, nospam.
You tell me what you are by backing up your own words, nospam.

You have _never_ named what you claim you can name (but never do).
(And no, pasting hundreds of meaningless trademarks is not functionality.)

You have no absolutely respect for the truth.
Steve also has no respect for the truth.

I just didn't expect badgolferman to have no respect for the truth.
That's what floored me.

For you and badgolferman to claim that newsreader app functionality exists
on iOS and yet you claim that similar newsreader functionality is
impossible to directly load or sideload on Android is stooping to a new low
level.

Even for you, a filthy disgustingly dishonest liar in all respects.
I just didn't expect it when badgolferman followed your lead, that's all.

badgolferman wrote:

> I was responding to nospam's question about what app iOS has which
> Google Play does not.

Hi badgolferman,

The only thing I expect from you is for you to act like a real adult.
Hence, I speak with you _differently_ than I do the child-like iKooks.

I keep the message simple for the iKooks. I dumb it down.
Even then, they can't comprehend - but that's _why_ they are iKooks.

When I ask the iKooks if there is any iOS app functionality all by its itty
bitty self that is not on Android, they claim there is tons - but they're
all filthy despicable liars who simply _hate_ that they don't know of any.

When you (or Steve) claim there is iOS app functionality impossible to find
in Android, I _trust_ that you didn't just make that up, badgolferman.

That's why you can always expect me to _ask_ you to back up your claim.
I only care for facts. I only care for the truth.

If there is iOS app functionality that is either native to iOS or that is
on the Apple App store that doesn't exist on Android, I want to know.

But you claiming newsreader functionality isn't on Android is ridiculous.

> I was not talking about functionality.

When I say that app functionality exists on Android which is impossible for
a typical user to load on iOS (such as automatic call recording, graphical
wi-fi debugging, system-wide on-device firewalls & gps mock location
spoofing to name a few), I _am_ talking about functionality.

The reason is that the obvious lack of _any_ iOS app functionality puts the
lie to statements of nospam and the rest of the iKooks (including Steve).

Remember, I have two goals on this newsgroup, one of which is to learn and
disseminate - the other is to show the filthy iKooks for what they are.

For decades, these filthy liars have poisoned Usenet with their lies.
And I simply am proving, for the permanent Usenet record, what they are.

Having said that, I had never expected you to be one of them, and I hope
you simply misunderstood what it means to say app functionality.

Bear in mind, I'm well aware that if you had a hundred apps, you'd like one
over the others - but that's NOT the same thing as saying the app
functionality is completely missing.

There's a _reason_ I aptly choose the word "crippled" in describing iOS.
*When something is _completely missing_, it's crippled*

My point is that iOS is crippled by the complete lack of functionality.
And yet, that complete lack does NOT extend in the other direction.

There is _nothing_ on iOS that isn't (usually long ago) already on Android
(by way of app functionality all by its itty bitty self, easily installed).

I don't care if you believe that assessment or if you dispute it; but if
you're going to dispute it, a newsreader is not the way to dispute it.

(Sucky) newsreader functionality exists on both platforms. Period.

> Another app I must have is FindMy to be able to find my son who is
> currently at University of Virginia.

Android doesn't have "FindMy" functionality?

Hell, I used that kind of capability to find my own kids when they were in
college and didn't call so many years ago that I've forgotten how I did it.

Are you seriously claiming there is no "findmy" functionality on Android?

> He has had many medical problems such
> as spontaneous pneumothorax over the years and ends up in the hospital on
> occasion.

I have kids. I have grandkids. I understand medical problems.

And I understand worrying about the kids. But you can't be seriously
claiming that there is no "FindMy" functionality on Android, can you be?

> Unfortunately some of these medical emergencies have happened
> when he has been out camping and we have been able to reach him just
> because I was able to find him.

I guess I pegged you wrong in that I thought you understood what
functionality means, but it seems I need to explain it yet again.

For Steve or nospam or for any of the iKooks to be filthy liars is to be
expected, so I expect them all to brazenly fabricate imaginary
functionality for iOS that they "claim" isn't on Android.

It always turns out that the functionality (e.g., gps spoofing) doesn't
exist on iOS - but it's so entrenched in Android that it's part of the
native operating system.

It's why iOS is crippled badgolferman. SO it's a VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
In fact, it's one of the MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES between the two.

To put the most important difference between iOS & Android too simply:
*iOS is crippled; Android is not*

Since it's an extremely important point if you care to discuss the
differences between Android and iOS, for you to claim you know of an app
functionality on iOS that is comopletely missing on Android is key.

What is it?
I want to know.

And no, for nospam to paste yet again a hundred meaningless Apple
trademarks is NOT in any way a description of the single most important iOS
app functionality that people claim is on iOS but not on Android.

All I'm asking you to do is three words, badgolferman:
*Name just one*

> It seems as if you think I'm trying to antagonize you or something.

No. I do NOT think that at all. Not in the least. You're not an iKook.
And you're not a political animal, which is why Steve is a filthy liar.

I only expect you to do one thing, badgolferman.
Act like an adult.

What happened was I _trusted_ that you'd act like an adult.
That's all.

I expected you to honor truth.
That's all.

I expected you to back up your own words.
That's all.

After all, that's what I do.

> Or maybe you feel I'm just an idiot who is below you.

If you act like an adult, you'll _never_ be considered below me by me.
However, it does surprise me how little you know about iOS & Android.

What you've said in this thread alone, unfortunately, and to put it
bluntly, indicates that you've been listening to the iKooks too long.

Almost everything the iKooks claim about Apple, badgolferman, is not only a
lie, and not only a brazen lie, but most of it is a filthy despicable lie.

It's what iKooks are. Every one is a detestably contemptible liar.
Steve is also a reprehensible loathsome disreputable liar - but for
furtherance eof his own personal political goals in Cupertino.

I simply had expected you to know more than you actually do, badgolferman.
My dealing with you was predicated that I had expected you to be different.

> I assure you I have no desire to get on your bad side,

You and I and Ant, are likely the _only_ people who habitually frequent the
iOS newsgroup who are not vile shameful liars, badgolferman. On the Android
newsgroup people like Andy Burns, s|b, vanguard, jab, newscrawler, and a
few others are similarly reasonable sensible normal adults with normal IQ.

If David Empson were still around, and Michelle (who kindly gave me my
NewsTap license, by the way) were still around, bless their hearts, I would
have listed them also.

Notice how extremely rare people like you and Ant and I are on the Apple
newsgroup, while people like Andy Burns and Vanguard are just as critical
for disseminating knowledge on the Android newsgroups.

Without us, this newsgroup would be a cesspool of the iKook low life scum.
You can't get "on my bad side" without acting like they do. And you don't.

> but if you've lost patience with me then I
> will have to be placed on the list.

I have no list since I know almost everyone by heart, badgolferman.
Have I ever mentioned that my grasp of detail is excellent? :)

It's amazing, actually, to discuss something with, oh, say, nospam, and he
claims, for example, that 5G isn't something Apple is worried about, and
then a year later after Apple basically falls on their sword for 5G, nospam
doesn't even remember his own words.

How many times have I had to post nospam's own words which he denies saying
even as it's like a Chinese balloon that everyone can just look up to see?

Anyway, my goal is to get to the facts. It's truth that I want to both
disseminate, and learn. I can teach you the truth. I can learn from you.

I'm never afraid of the truth because my belief systems are based on fact.

If you know of _any_ app functionality that you believe is on iOS and not
on Android, just let me know what that is. But it's not a newsreader.

Nor is it a "find my phone" or "find someone else's phone" either.
Android has that. iOS has that. It's on both platforms. Period.

I have opined that I can't find a single app functionality on iOS not on
Android and there are really good and logical reasons for that opinion.

Those reasons, summarized perhaps too simply for you below, are...
1. Apple restricts what apps can do that it allows on the App Store.
2. Google does too (but to a hugely lesser extent by all accounts).
3. Even so, independent _developers_ create most app functionality.
4. And they can easily publish for Android users (but not for iOS users).

Since I'm intelligent, knowledgeable, and rather well educated
badgolferman, I _expect_ you to comprehend the rationale I explained.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> You have no absolutely respect for the truth.
> Steve also has no respect for the truth.

I just read a subsequent post from badgolferman and I don't think he lied.
I think badgolferman just didn't understand the question.

I apologize to badgolferman for my almost certainly getting him wrong.

I think badgolferman spoke of "findmy" and "newsreader" functionality
without realizing the point was that iOS is crippled compared to Android.

We're not talking minor "differences" in functionality between platforms.
We're talking that iOS is completely lacking - so badly that it's crippled.

I choose my words sagaciously. To be crippled means it's impossible to do.

In terms of "findmy" and "newsreaders", they're not impossible to do.
On either platform.

I am hopeful that badgolferman will spend some time understanding that one
of the most important differences (if not the most important difference)
between the two platforms is, in perhaps too succinct a summary...

*iOS is crippled; Android is not*

If iOS is NOT crippled, then someone (anyone!) will be able to name an app
functionality that iOS can do, all by its itty bitty self, that is
available to a typical user (i.e., native or on the Apple App Store)...

That is not (usually long ago) on Android.

The iKooks scream bloody murder that such app functionality exists.
And yet, it never shows up on the Apple App Store (or native in iOS).

The iKooks desperately google for all the Apple meaningless trademarks tehy
can find and they post a hundred of them as "proof", where if that's the
best they can do, then it instantly puts their abject filthy lies to rest.

My question for anyone out there is to simply name an app functionality
that you feel does not exist on either platform, but you don't really need
to name functionality on Android not on iOS because there is so much of
that.

What you need to find is a single useful app functionality on iOS which you
feel doesn't exist (remember the descriptive word "crippled") on Android.

On 2023-02-05, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> He's definitely following that playbook.
>>
>> both of the resident trolls do.
>
> I have an agenda

Trolling.

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On 2023-02-06, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <trph04$3l420$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
><nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement
>> that newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android,
>
> nobody said anything close to that.

He lies through his teeth every chance he gets and completely
misrepresents what people here say, and yet his gullible followers will
still side with him claiming other people here are the "real trolls".
It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

>>> When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement
>>> that newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android,
>>
>> nobody said anything close to that.
>
> He lies through his teeth every chance he gets and completely
> misrepresents what people here say, and yet his gullible followers will
> still side with him claiming other people here are the "real trolls".
> It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

If I "lie through my teeth", why is it you can't answer a simple question?

Given: *There is _zero_ app functionality on iOS not on Android.*
Anyone who says otherwise needs merely to: *Name just one*

Name just one app functionality on iOS not (usually long ago) on Android.
*Name just one*

HINT: You can't. So, in your kindergarten desperation, you call
all facts you _hate_ about Apple products, to be lies.
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In article <trr6hn$3rmo6$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> If I "lie through my teeth", why is it you can't answer a simple question?
>
> Given: *There is _zero_ app functionality on iOS not on Android.*
> Anyone who says otherwise needs merely to: *Name just one*

they have, on numerous occasions.

On 2023-02-06, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>> When you concurred with badgolferman's utterly ridiculous statement
>>>> that newsreader functionality didn't exist on Android,
>>>
>>> nobody said anything close to that.
>>
>> He lies through his teeth every chance he gets and completely
>> misrepresents what people here say, and yet his gullible followers
>> will still side with him claiming other people here are the "real
>> trolls". It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
>
> If I "lie through my teeth", why is it you can't answer a simple
> question?

I don't have to your trolls.

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nospam wrote:

>> If I "lie through my teeth", why is it you can't answer a simple question?
>>
>> Given: *There is _zero_ app functionality on iOS not on Android.*
>> Anyone who says otherwise needs merely to: *Name just one*
>
> they have, on numerous occasions.

And yet, it's the biggest difference between the two platforms.

*iOS is crippled in app functionality; Android is not*

Due to Apple restrictions, iOS will always be crippled in functionality.

Jolly Roger wrote:

>> If I "lie through my teeth", why is it you can't answer a simple
>> question?
>
> I don't have to your trolls.

Hi Jolly Roger,

You don't own the intelligence to realize that your visceral hatred of any
question that shows that *iOS is crippled*, is proof that you know it is.

The fact is *iOS is crippled in functionality because _Apple_ crippled it*.

On 2/4/2023 1:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>  *What exactly is the size difference between Android/iOS updates?*

Why would I or anyone else under _normal_ circumstances really care how
large the updates are? OK, if I was stuck somewhere in the far boondocks
and had a data-limited plan and I felt compelled for come reason to install
an update over a shaky LTE connection I might care a bit but in such a
circumstance a rational person would avoid any sort of update on _any_ OS.
In the _real_ world the size difference, if any, would mean a difference of
a few seconds over 5G or decent Wi-Fi.

On 2023-02-06 13:36, Bodger wrote:
> On 2/4/2023 1:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>   *What exactly is the size difference between Android/iOS updates?*
>
> Why would I or anyone else under _normal_ circumstances really care how
> large the updates are? OK, if I was stuck somewhere in the far boondocks
> and had a data-limited plan and I felt compelled for come reason to
> install an update over a shaky LTE connection I might care a bit but in
> such a circumstance a rational person would avoid any sort of update on
> _any_ OS. In the _real_ world the size difference, if any, would mean a
> difference of a few seconds over 5G or decent Wi-Fi.

Yep.

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committee

On 2023-02-06 19:48, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-02-06 13:36, Bodger wrote:
>> On 2/4/2023 1:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>   *What exactly is the size difference between Android/iOS updates?*
>>
>> Why would I or anyone else under _normal_ circumstances really care
>> how large the updates are? OK, if I was stuck somewhere in the far
>> boondocks and had a data-limited plan and I felt compelled for come
>> reason to install an update over a shaky LTE connection I might care a
>> bit but in such a circumstance a rational person would avoid any sort
>> of update on _any_ OS. In the _real_ world the size difference, if
>> any, would mean a difference of a few seconds over 5G or decent Wi-Fi.
>
> Yep.

Indeed.

These types of discussion are ridiculous... I just read half a dozen of
the posts, then ignore.

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On 2/6/2023 10:36 AM, Bodger wrote:
> On 2/4/2023 1:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>   *What exactly is the size difference between Android/iOS updates?*
>
> Why would I or anyone else under _normal_ circumstances really care how
> large the updates are? OK, if I was stuck somewhere in the far boondocks
> and had a data-limited plan and I felt compelled for come reason to
> install an update over a shaky LTE connection I might care a bit but in
> such a circumstance a rational person would avoid any sort of update on
> _any_ OS. In the _real_ world the size difference, if any, would mean a
> difference of a few seconds over 5G or decent Wi-Fi.

Well-stated. An update that takes five minutes and that uses 300MB of
data versus one that takes eight minutes and uses 500MB of data is not
something anyone really cares about.

That said, how many times have you booted up a laptop, ready to give a
presentation, and Windows decides that it's time to do an update that
takes several minutes.

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In article <trrp3p$36ock$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> An update that takes five minutes and that uses 300MB of
> data versus one that takes eight minutes and uses 500MB of data is not
> something anyone really cares about.

you're moving the goalposts. your original claim was that ios updates
were always the full 2+ gb, which is wildly incorrect.

> That said, how many times have you booted up a laptop, ready to give a
> presentation, and Windows decides that it's time to do an update that
> takes several minutes.

only for those who don't plan ahead or fail to disable automatic
updates.

nospam wrote:

> even assuming 600 mb, it's a lot less than 2.8 gig, which is clear
> proof of *incremental* updates and that you were wrong.

Every time you talk about iOS, nospam, it's clear you have no idea that iOS
is built as a monolithic block. Apple does _not_ build incremental updates.

Any one device gets an incremental 'diff' update, but the main reason why
iOS has so many zero-day exploits in the wild is due to the monolith.

FACT:
*Not only has iOS the most zero-day exploits, but Apple never finds them.*

sms wrote:

>>> ��*What exactly is the size difference between Android/iOS updates?*
>>
>> Why would I or anyone else under _normal_ circumstances really care how
>> large the updates are? OK, if I was stuck somewhere in the far boondocks
>> and had a data-limited plan and I felt compelled for come reason to
>> install an update over a shaky LTE connection I might care a bit but in
>> such a circumstance a rational person would avoid any sort of update on
>> _any_ OS. In the _real_ world the size difference, if any, would mean a
>> difference of a few seconds over 5G or decent Wi-Fi.
>
> Well-stated. An update that takes five minutes and that uses 300MB of
> data versus one that takes eight minutes and uses 500MB of data is not
> something anyone really cares about.
>
> That said, how many times have you booted up a laptop, ready to give a
> presentation, and Windows decides that it's time to do an update that
> takes several minutes.

It's clear neither Steve nor Carlos understand how smartphones update.

They can't understand how iOS or Android update, so they will never
understand why it matters greatly that iOS is a primitive monolith.

iOS updates are built & distributed as a primitive monolith.
Android updates are in modern layers (ever since Android 10 and up).

As a result of that primitive monolith, iOS not only has the most zero-day
exploits, but because Apple has to collect & rebuild the monolith every
time a line of code changes, *iOS has the most zero-day exploits* too!

nospam wrote:

>> Given: *There is _zero_ app functionality on iOS not on Android.*
>> Anyone who says otherwise needs merely to: *Name just one*
>
> they have, on numerous occasions.

Hi nospam,

You think I don't know why you're deathly afraid of this question.
*The answer proves the biggest difference between the two platforms.*

1. iOS is crippled; Android is not.
2. Plenty of useful Android app functionality is _impossible_ on iOS.
3. Yet, conversely, absolutely _nothing_ on iOS isn't on Android.

Hence...
I completely understand why you are _desperate_ to make that go away.

In article <trs8as$3mr1$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> Apple does _not_ build incremental updates.

yes they do, for both mac os and ios.

nospam wrote:

> your original claim was that ios updates
> were always the full 2+ gb, which is wildly incorrect.

It's clear neither Steve nor Carlos, nor nospam, understand how iOS
updates. *Even as it's one of the greatest flaws in iOS*.

Even nospam doesn't understand you measure iOS updates at the factory.
Where the primitive iOS monolith is built & tested before shipping.

At the factory, Apple has to spend _time_ to build the primitive monolith
Even if only a single line of code has to be changed.
The entire monolith needs to be run through the QA suite of tests.

Every single time even a single line of code is changed in the monolith.
No other common consumer operating system but iOS is built that way.

Only iOS.
This is key.

And yet, Steve, Carlos, and certainly nospam don't understand that fact.

As a result of Apple's primitive monolithic release mechanism, the iPhone
not only has the most zero-day holes of any smartphone - but due to the
monolith delay - half are exploited before Apple even finds out about them.

Worse... due to the primitive monolith, Apple can only manage to adequately
patch *one release and one release only* (currently iOS 16).

No other release. Just one.
Due to the primitive monolith.

> nospam wrote:
>
>> your original claim was that ios updates
>> were always the full 2+ gb, which is wildly incorrect.
>
> It's clear neither Steve nor Carlos, nor nospam, understand how iOS
> updates. *Even as it's one of the greatest flaws in iOS*.
>
> Even nospam doesn't understand you measure iOS updates at the factory.
> Where the primitive iOS monolith is built & tested before shipping.
>
> At the factory, Apple has to spend _time_ to build the primitive monolith
> Even if only a single line of code has to be changed.
> The entire monolith needs to be run through the QA suite of tests.
>
> Every single time even a single line of code is changed in the monolith.
> No other common consumer operating system but iOS is built that way.
>
> Only iOS.
> This is key.
>
> And yet, Steve, Carlos, and certainly nospam don't understand that fact.
>
> As a result of Apple's primitive monolithic release mechanism, the iPhone
> not only has the most zero-day holes of any smartphone - but due to the
> monolith delay - half are exploited before Apple even finds out about them.
>
> Worse... due to the primitive monolith, Apple can only manage to adequately
> patch *one release and one release only* (currently iOS 16).
>
> No other release. Just one.
> Due to the primitive monolith.

If only iOS is updated the way you explained and if Android is updated like
a normal operating system, then that's a big difference because it slows
Apple down and prevents Apple from supporting more than one release at a
time.

But if that's so, why doesn't that google Android/iOS comparison document
from sms cover that difference in how the operating systems are built then?