AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> sms wrote:
>
>> I may get her [daughter] a Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old
>> phone won't work anymore on Verizon and that she'll just have to
>> live without a headphone jack.
>
> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
> the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
> her headphone jack...

Did they get rid of the headphone jack figuring users moved or were
moving to Bluetooth headphones? Those are pretty cheap now (hell, I've
seen them selling at $0.01, but with $3.99 shipping, so $4), and
eliminate the nuisance of a cable bouncing around or snapping on
something.

In article <tsrnf4$5nvj$1@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>
> > I may get her [daughter] a Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old
> > phone won't work anymore on Verizon and that she'll just have to
> > live without a headphone jack.
>
> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
> the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
> her headphone jack...

an adapter will certainly work, but even easier, get usb-c headphones.

it's a complete non-issue.

On 2/18/2023 3:37 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 1:50 PM, sms wrote:
>
>> I may get her [daughter] a Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old
>> phone won't work anymore on Verizon and that she'll just have to
>> live without a headphone jack.
>
> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
> the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
> her headphone jack...

I'm sure it will work with the dongle. It's just a bit of a hassle.

My wife and my sister both have an S10E which was the last smallish
Android that was flagship level (Qualcomm Snapdragon 855 for their U.S.
versions) and that also had both a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.

On 2/18/2023 4:13 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> sms wrote:
>>
>>> I may get her [daughter] a Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old
>>> phone won't work anymore on Verizon and that she'll just have to
>>> live without a headphone jack.
>>
>> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
>> the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
>> her headphone jack...
>
> Did they get rid of the headphone jack figuring users moved or were
> moving to Bluetooth headphones? Those are pretty cheap now (hell, I've
> seen them selling at $0.01, but with $3.99 shipping, so $4), and
> eliminate the nuisance of a cable bouncing around or snapping on
> something.

You can still use Bluetooth headphones even when there is a headphone
jack, but there are some advantages to wired headphones:
1. No separate battery to keep charged
2. Acts as an antenna for the FM radio (I like this at my gym because
they broadcast the audio program from the televisions on LPFM)
3. Nice to only carry one set of headphones on trips, that also works
with the airplane's AV system.

Besides headphones, there are many other peripherals that can use the
headphone jack.

On 2/18/2023 5:22 PM, sms wrote:

> You can still use Bluetooth headphones even when there is a
> headphone jack, but there are some advantages to wired headphones: 1.
> No separate battery to keep charged 2. Acts as an antenna for the FM
> radio (I like this at my gym because they broadcast the audio program
> from the televisions on LPFM) 3. Nice to only carry one set of
> headphones on trips, that also works with the airplane's AV system.

I have a favorite set of wired headphones for my music. I've yet to find
any BT headphones that match them for fidelity or volume. But of course
that's a YMMV thing...

On 2/18/2023 5:16 PM, sms wrote:

> My wife and my sister both have an S10E which was the last smallish
> Android that was flagship level (Qualcomm Snapdragon 855 for their
> U.S. versions) and that also had both a headphone jack and a MicroSD
> card slot.

I seldom use the headphone jack or card slot on my S10+ so it won't
break my heart (much) if my next phone doesn't have them. As always YMMV...

On 2/18/2023 5:13 PM, nospam wrote:

> an adapter will certainly work, but even easier, get usb-c
> headphones. it's a complete non-issue.

Agreed IF you only have one device. I have several devices with various
connectors and only ONE favorite fantastical sounding set of wired
headphones. As always YMMV...

On 2/18/2023 5:13 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter.

> Did they get rid of the headphone jack figuring users moved or were
> moving to Bluetooth headphones?

No. My Galaxy S10+ does have a headphone jack. I bought USB-C adapters
for my other devices and was curious if they worked on my phone even
though it had a headphone jack and was surprised to find that they do...

In article <tsrq46$5t2q$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Besides headphones, there are many other peripherals that can use the
> headphone jack.

not really. although a few did exist, very few people actually used
them, and they've been replaced with bluetooth versions that are far
more convenient and reliable.

In article <tsrpp1$5t2q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >
> > My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
> > the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
> > her headphone jack...
>
> I'm sure it will work with the dongle. It's just a bit of a hassle.

it's not in any way a hassle.

On 2/18/2023 4:56 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 5:22 PM, sms wrote:
>
>> You can still use Bluetooth headphones even when there is a
>> headphone jack, but there are some advantages to wired headphones: 1.
>> No separate battery to keep charged 2. Acts as an antenna for the FM
>> radio (I like this at my gym because they broadcast the audio program
>> from the televisions on LPFM) 3. Nice to only carry one set of
>> headphones on trips, that also works with the airplane's AV system.
>
> I have a favorite set of wired headphones for my music. I've yet to find
> any BT headphones that match them for fidelity or volume. But of course
> that's a YMMV thing...

I do have a set of high-end noise-cancelling headphones that are both
wired and Bluetooth. But we are really trying to minimize what we take
on trips, especially foreign trips where the luggage size restrictions
are more strict. So instead I'll take both Bluetooth noise cancelling
earbuds for the phone and wired earbuds for the airplane. Many of the
newer planes have done away with entertainment systems and just provide
streaming of movies and music to your own phone or tablet, so the
Bluetooth earbugs work fine for that.

On 2/18/2023 6:08 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 4:56 PM, AJL wrote:

>> I have a favorite set of wired headphones for my music. I've yet
>> to find any BT headphones that match them for fidelity or volume.
>> But of course that's a YMMV thing...

> I do have a set of high-end noise-cancelling headphones that are both
> wired and Bluetooth.

The best headphones are always the ones that sound best to you...

> But we are really trying to minimize what we take on trips,
> especially foreign trips where the luggage size restrictions are
> more strict. So instead I'll take both Bluetooth noise cancelling
> earbuds for the phone and wired earbuds for the airplane. Many of the
> newer planes have done away with entertainment systems and just
> provide streaming of movies and music to your own phone or tablet, so
> the Bluetooth earbugs work fine for that.

The last airplane I was on was in 1992 (the last for the duration I
hope). I then used my earbud headphones for my 2 meter handheld. I was
seeing how many repeaters I could chunk while flying across the
country. (If anybody turns me in I'll deny having said it...)

On 2/18/2023 4:56 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 5:13 PM, nospam wrote:
>
>> an adapter will certainly work, but even easier, get usb-c
>> headphones. it's a complete non-issue.
>
> Agreed IF you only have one device. I have several devices with various
> connectors and only ONE favorite fantastical sounding set of wired
> headphones. As always YMMV...

nospam is wrong of course™.

There are very few, if any, USB-C earpods with active noise cancellation.

There are some wired analog earpods with ANC (require a battery for the
ANC).

There are some wired USB-C headsets with ANC, i.e.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092KCYHD8>, but they are expensive and
you're not getting the best audio quality since there are not designed
for music.

With USB-C you would not need a separate battery but there just isn't
much of a market for USB-C headphones, headsets, or earpods, just like
there wasn't much of a market for Lightning headphones, headsets, or
earpods. Analog makes more sense since you can use them with an
airplanes AV system, or with a phone by using a USB-C to analog or
Lightning to analog dongle.

Certainly the decontenting of phones by removing the headphone jack is
an annoyance, but at least there's a workaround. With wireless charging
it's less of an issue since it's easy to charge the phone at the same
time you have an analog adapter plugged in.

In article <tss043$6hb5$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> There are very few, if any, USB-C earpods with active noise cancellation.

there are several, and even more that use bluetooth

> With USB-C you would not need a separate battery

while that is true, you still have a dangling cord that always gets in
the way of things.

> but there just isn't
> much of a market for USB-C headphones, headsets, or earpods, just like
> there wasn't much of a market for Lightning headphones, headsets, or
> earpods.

actually, there are several companies making either or both. however,
more people want bluetooth which work on android, ios, mac, windows pc
and many other hosts, so that's where the companies focus their
efforts.

>
> Certainly the decontenting of phones by removing the headphone jack is
> an annoyance,

except it's not, since most people use the built in speakers or
bluetooth.

On 2/18/2023 7:04 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 4:56 PM, AJL wrote:
>> On 2/18/2023 5:13 PM, nospam wrote:

>>> an adapter will certainly work, but even easier, get usb-c
>>> headphones. it's a complete non-issue.

>> Agreed IF you only have one device. I have several devices with
>> various connectors and only ONE favorite fantastical sounding set
>> of wired headphones. As always YMMV...

> nospam is wrong of course™.

> There are very few, if any, USB-C earpods with active noise
> cancellation.

I've never used or needed NC headphones since I never use them in a
noisy environment, only my home (translation YMMV)...

> There are some wired USB-C headsets with ANC, i.e.
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092KCYHD8>, but they are expensive and
> you're not getting the best audio quality since there are not
> designed for music.

My ears are weak on the highs so I need to adjust using an equalizer.
Best audio quality is an individual taste (translation YMMV)...

> Certainly the decontenting of phones by removing the headphone jack
> is an annoyance,

I seldom listen to music or talk using headphones on my phone so no
annoyance for me (translation YMMV)...

> but at least there's a workaround. With wireless charging it's less
> of an issue since it's easy to charge the phone at the same time you
> have an analog adapter plugged in.

I like my phone's wireless charging because if it rings I just pick it
up and talk, no messing with a wire. (translation...well you know... :)

On 2/18/2023 6:46 PM, AJL wrote:

<snip>

> I've never used or needed NC headphones since I never use them in a
> noisy environment, only my home (translation YMMV)...

It does vary! Headphones with ANC are wonderful on airplanes at
cancelling out engine noise. I used to do a lot of long flights to Asia
and it would have been miserable without ANC.

> My ears are weak on the highs so I need to adjust using an equalizer.
> Best audio quality is an individual taste (translation YMMV)...

Still, there are some basic facts about different technologies when it
comes to headphones. aptX is better than AAC and you can definitely hear
the diffence,

>> Certainly the decontenting of phones by removing the headphone jack
>> is an annoyance,
>
> I seldom listen to music or talk using headphones on my phone so no
> annoyance for me (translation YMMV)...

I think that just about everyone at the gym I go to has some sort of
headphones or earpods in their ears while on the treadmills,
ellipticals, bicycles, and rowers. There's a surprising number of wired
headphones and earpods being used with some of the equipment, as well as
with some phones. I'm thinking that some people are bringing their old
phones to the gym and using them essentially as iPods.

>> but at least there's a workaround. With wireless charging it's less
>> of an issue since it's easy to charge the phone at the same time you
>> have an analog adapter plugged in.
>
> I like my phone's wireless charging because if it rings I just pick it
> up and talk, no messing with a wire. (translation...well you know... :)

People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human progress!

On 2/18/2023 8:37 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 6:46 PM, AJL wrote:

>> I've never used or needed NC headphones since I never use them in a
>> noisy environment, only my home (translation YMMV)...

> It does vary!

Got it. I stand corrected....YMDV!!

> Headphones with ANC are wonderful on airplanes at cancelling out
> engine noise. I used to do a lot of long flights to Asia and it
> would have been miserable without ANC.

If your ears had constant ringing that covers most background noise
would NC help? Perhaps not. But then of course YMDV...

>> My ears are weak on the highs so I need to adjust using an
>> equalizer. Best audio quality is an individual taste (translation
>> YMMV)...

> Still, there are some basic facts about different technologies when
> it comes to headphones. aptX is better than AAC and you can
> definitely hear the difference,

Perhaps both would sound bad if ones ears were somewhat degraded. And
random headphone tests and equalizer adjustments were required to make
things sound good TO YOU. But of course YMDV...

> I think that just about everyone at the gym I go to has some sort of
> headphones or earpods in their ears while on the treadmills,

I use my wired headphones on my treadmill. It's in the comfort of my
home. MUCH less crowded (judging from the parking lots) and no noise
that needs to be backgrounded out. But of course YMDV...

> I'm thinking that some people are bringing their old phones to the
> gym and using them essentially as iPods.

Good idea. I used to get Android phones on the sale rack at Target for
under $15 just to play with. They worked just fine for radio and music.

>> I like my phone's wireless charging because if it rings I just
>> pick it up and talk, no messing with a wire. (translation...well
>> you know... :)

> People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human
> progress!

Of course. because YMDV... ;)

In article <tss5hc$9rjl$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> aptX is better than AAC and you can definitely hear
> the diffence,

that is simply false. apple sends aac directly to airpods without an
interim conversion, whereas aptx requires it, making aac technically
better, not that anyone can hear a difference.

On 2023-02-18 21:50, sms wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 10:16 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Arguably, RCS is /more secure/. It is encrypted instead of plain text
>> - but google is involved, so imagination is free. A crook will have it
>> harder, so that is good :-D.
>
> Ironically, it's the U.S. where MMS is still heavily used. iPhone users
> use iMessage but Android users are more likely to use SMS and MMS. I
> recently set up a Mac Mini with the AirMessage server so I can send and
> receive iMessages, and do FaceTime, from my Android devices.

I know a group of people in Canada, some with iphones, some with
androids, and they use SMS/MMS to converse. Some have wasap (to converse
with me), but they don't even look at it regularly.

>
> WhatsApp is gaining popularity in the U.S., but it's nowhere like its
> level of use in Europe and India. China uses WeChat (some stores in my
> area even take WeChat Pay, and not just Asian markets). Taiwan and Japan
> use Line. South Korea uses KakaoTalk. It's just too late for RCS to make
> much of an impact, which is too bad since it should be the universal
> replacement for SMS and MMS.
>
> I use WhatsApp a lot because my daughter rents an in-law unit in the Bay
> Area where her cellular coverage is not great but she has fast Wi-Fi.
> Her phone (Moto X4) doesn't support Wi-Fi calling but she likes her
> phone because of its small size and the headphone jack. I may get her a
> Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old phone won't work anymore on
> Verizon and that she'll just have to live without a headphone jack.

My Motorola g52 has a headphone jack, and AFAIK it should support Wi-Fi
calling :-)

Or, you can just use wasap video. Or voice.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-02-19 01:13, VanguardLH wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> sms wrote:
>>
>>> I may get her [daughter] a Pixel 6a or 7 and tell her that her old
>>> phone won't work anymore on Verizon and that she'll just have to
>>> live without a headphone jack.
>>
>> My Galaxy S10+ works using a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Perhaps
>> the Pixel will work with an adapter too and she won't have to give up
>> her headphone jack...
>
> Did they get rid of the headphone jack figuring users moved or were
> moving to Bluetooth headphones? Those are pretty cheap now (hell, I've
> seen them selling at $0.01, but with $3.99 shipping, so $4), and
> eliminate the nuisance of a cable bouncing around or snapping on
> something.

I have a pair of BT earphones, and they suffer cuts, which are a
nuisance. Regardless of location. Happens both with tablet and phone.

I also have a pair of "fake" airpods, and although they have fewer cuts
the problem is that the battery doesn't always last even forty minutes.
Maybe one of the two fails at half an hour and I'm left with only one in
the ear. And they are new.

Also, they have an habit of engaging while they are stored in their
enclosure, so that when the phone should play an alarm or a phone call,
it doesn't.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article <c2i9cjxh4j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>
> I also have a pair of "fake" airpods, and although they have fewer cuts
> the problem is that the battery doesn't always last even forty minutes.
> Maybe one of the two fails at half an hour and I'm left with only one in
> the ear. And they are new.

try real ones. several hours of battery life and no cuts, even at quite
a distance from the source, with noise cancelation on the pros.

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> My MVNO provides unlimited SMS, charges per MMS, and doesn't provide
>> RCS.   I've been a bit suspicious of using google for RCS.
>
> I don't understand why anyone pines for RCS

I wouldn't say I pine for RCS, I'm relatively happy with SMS and will
pay to send the occasional MMS, because I certainly don't do
WhatsApp/Messenger. If my mobile provider had their own RCS, I'd likely
use that, since it'd be something I was paying for as part of my bundle.

If I enable google RCS, I think all my current SMS would go via it, my
provider might think SMS is becoming less important and consider
dropping it, meanwhile google don't have a good track record of keeping
messaging platforms running long-term.

But if I'm not paying google what are they doing with my messages?
They're unlikely to be providing it from the goodness of their heart.

I'd happily use Signal or Telegram, but most of the people I send SMSs
to would look at me funny if I suggested it.

> so I will respond to what
> you're using to say what I'm using (which is working just fine for me).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 tax

It seems that many USA plans cater to a whole family with multiple
devices, that sort of contract is available here, but it's less common.

> In the USA, on T-Mobile postpaid, I get for $25/month per line a "Simple
> Choice" plan (which costs more than the regular plan because it gives me
> unlimited free slow data overseas) plus an additional $16 monthly tax.

£7/month for unlimited UK calls and SMS, 10GB data (soon to double for
the same price) that rolls-over. Roaming to EU countries included,
other countries would cost me.

sms wrote:

> Ironically, it's the U.S. where MMS is still heavily used.

In earlier versions of the stock android messages app, google made the
assumption that MMS was equally useable to anyone as SMS, so when you
sent a group text it would use MMS, not realising that would cost
non-American users a lot more money.

Andy Burns wrote:

> I wouldn't say I pine for RCS, I'm relatively happy with SMS and will
> pay to send the occasional MMS, because I certainly don't do
> WhatsApp/Messenger. If my mobile provider had their own RCS, I'd likely
> use that, since it'd be something I was paying for as part of my bundle.

Hi Andy,
Thanks for that purposefully helpful reply of how you feel about SMS, MMS
and RCS, where I probably wouldn't feel any different than you do given I
don't "miss" anything in my current SMS/MMS setup that I'm "supposed" to be
missing, at least according to the competing Google & Apple advertisements.
> If I enable google RCS, I think all my current SMS would go via it, my
> provider might think SMS is becoming less important and consider
> dropping it, meanwhile google don't have a good track record of keeping
> messaging platforms running long-term.

I have to agree that Google's track record sucks for Hangouts and other
messaging apps - although I have to say Google Voice is the _only_ Google
App that does what no other app does - although only on iOS does it do it.

On Android, Google Voice does nefarious things, as do the other Google apps
that require a login, so I don't use them on Android - only on iOS.
> But if I'm not paying google what are they doing with my messages?
> They're unlikely to be providing it from the goodness of their heart.

I think the messenger app is more important to Google than one might think.

I think it's clear, if not from how desperate Steve is to get iMessage on
Android, then from Apple's own emails deposed in the Epic lawsuit that
Apple MANAGEMENT is well aware that iMessage is a shockingly huge glue trap
for teens to pine for their parents to purchase an iPhone over Android.

You know I don't make this stuff up, so if you want, I can dig up the
references, as even I would be shocked that a simple messenger app, of all
things, is why someone pines for one platform over the other.

But Apple isn't stupid so I will not disagree with their own emails.

> I'd happily use Signal or Telegram, but most of the people I send SMSs
> to would look at me funny if I suggested it.

I can't disagree, where I use whatever the _other_ person uses, which, in
the USA, is universally SMS/MMS and for people in Europe, it's WhatsApp.

Steve will tell us it's WeChat for China but I don't communicate with
people on that side of the other pond.

If I _needed_ a secure channel, I'd employ Signal perhaps, but I'm ok with
the lack of privacy on my personal texts which maybe I do 20 a day or so.

>> so I will respond to what
>> you're using to say what I'm using (which is working just fine for me).
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 tax
>
> It seems that many USA plans cater to a whole family with multiple
> devices, that sort of contract is available here, but it's less common.

I just called T-Mobile to see if I was getting the $5 discount for
autopayment that this recent thread talked about going away in May.
*T-Mobile is Ending $5 Per Line Autopay Discount if You Pay with a Credit Card*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/rzXt4soq9zY>

Turns out my plan is $60 for the Simple Choice for six lines (really four
lines because two are free for life data-only 200MB/month tablet plans) but
when I traveled to Germany a few years ago, I added the $40 extra Simple
Global option, so my plan is now $100/month for four lines + $16 in fees.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees

I've had Verizon but I dropped them when they upped my two-year contract
(in the days of contracts) simply for replacing a broken Kyocera, and then
I had AT&T but I dropped them after complaining to the FCC that they
wouldn't allow me to have a non-data plan for what they arbitrarily called
a "smartphone" in those days - and that's why I moved to T-Mobile long ago.

They're all about the same in the USA, despite Steve always shilling for
Verizon (where he admitted they pay him for some of his services in some
way, although it's confusing to me why or how Verizon would even do that).

Despite Steve claiming T-Mobile has no coverage, I get pretty good signal
now that I got a handful of free 5G phones well before I cared about 5G.
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf9w1tGZ/speedtest07.jpg> 255Mbps 5G home speed

>> In the USA, on T-Mobile postpaid, I get for $25/month per line a "Simple
>> Choice" plan (which costs more than the regular plan because it gives me
>> unlimited free slow data overseas) plus an additional $16 monthly tax.
>
> �7/month for unlimited UK calls and SMS, 10GB data (soon to double for
> the same price) that rolls-over. Roaming to EU countries included,
> other countries would cost me.

That 7 pounds sterling per line seems like a third of my costs per line!

My $116/month plan is about 96 pounds sterling, which is about 24 pounds
sterling for each line (ignoring the two free data-only SIM cards).

At 1/3rd the price of what I'm paying, it makes sense that you're OK with
paying a bit extra for MMS. And 10GB of data is fine for an adult.

Two of my kids (who are adults but they're still "my kids" on my plan) use
about 40GB per month each, but my wife and I use only about 1GB or less.

My point is that 10GB for you and no MMS seems like a good deal given
my costs appears to be three times what yours is, and I don't need
the unlimited data - but I do use the MMS a lot nowadays with the kids
as there are grandchildren involved - and I love to see their photos!

Note that there is no "roll over" provision in my T-Mobile family plan.

As for RCS, I really don't see what the big stink is about, nor do I see
how iMessage could be so sticky to kids - but Apple isn't stupid - so I
assume their own emails tell the truth (for once) which is that iMessage is
perhaps the biggest glue trap that Apple ever built in the walled garden.

I don't understand it - but I have to believe it even if I don't understand
it just as I have to believe that Google is desperate for us to want RCS
even though I don't see any major advantage to RCS for me (or for you).
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to carry on an adult conversation across the pond.

nospam wrote:

>> Besides headphones, there are many other peripherals that can use the
>> headphone jack.
>
> not really. although a few did exist, very few people actually used
> them, and they've been replaced with bluetooth versions that are far
> more convenient and reliable.

Why do you defend the loss of the headphone jack when there is zero
advantages (and many disadvantages) with a phone that doesn't have it.