Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-10-07 17:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > [Only addressing this one point:]
> >
> >> In fact, the Linux desktop has features, for decades, that Windows
> >> doesn't have; for example, on Windows I feel constrained by having a
> >> single desktop. On Linux I have as many as I want.
> >
> > I don't know about "as many as I want", but Windows 11 and 10 (and
> > perhaps earlier) have multiple desktops.
> >
> > [...]
>
> :-?
>
> They don't show in my installs.

See Alan Browne's responses.

Both on Windows 10 and 11 the icon is on the Taskbar by default. On 10
on the left, an icon with multiple screens and a sort of slider. On 11
more towards the middle, an icon of two partly overlapping screens.
Hovering over the latter shows the current desktop and a window with a
'+' and the label 'New desktop'. Doesn't get much more obvious than
that! :-)

FWIW, professionally I've use multiple desktop quite a lot, one for
each task/job. Nowadays, I don't really need them, hence I didn't know
for sure if 8.1 and earlier had them (Alan says "back to at least Win 7").

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/5/23 13:05, Wally J wrote:
> > These iKooks make it sound like it's hard to get rid of the stuff that
> > Microsoft would love for you to leave in, by default, upon setup.
> >
> > For an iKook, who is used to not being able to conrol the OS, it's
> > difficult; but for a normal adult of normal intelligence it's easy.
> >
> > You just say "no" to the switches that ask you in the beginning setup.
> > With Android, all you need is local adb (or adb running on a PC).
>
> To be fair, from what I have heard you need to do registry edits to get
> rid of everything invasive, it takes a while to remove all the bloat,
> and some of it gets reinstalled during updates.

You "heard" wrong! Please don't spread FUD, urban legends, etc.. At
least back things up by your own experience (doesn't apply as you use
Linux, not Windows) or/and some credible reference.

For this particular issue, you've already got specific counter
evidence. Ignoring or/and snipping that evidence doesn't make it go
away.

On 2023-10-05 14:41, candycanearter07 wrote:

> To be fair, from what I have heard you need to do registry edits to get
> rid of everything invasive, it takes a while to remove all the bloat,
> and some of it gets reinstalled during updates.

It's rare to need to go into the registry to edit things.

The only two that I recall doing for WinXP to make the Ethernet play
nice with my Mac (IIRC some buffer size had to be adjusted), easy.

and the other time was when I wanted to remove an antivirus program
(Norton or similar) and it would not remove correctly - preventing the
installation of a different AV. I had to manually remove hundreds of
Norton (or other) entries in the registry. Took 2 or 3 hours.

Otherwise use the Windows program installer to remove program and that
takes care of of the registry cleanup too - at least as I recall it.

Some programs also had their own "uninstallers" that would allegedly
(hopefully) remove their registry entries too.

I believe I mentioned recently that there are apps that actually give
you a checklist of bloat and you can decide what to remove and the app
will do it for you.

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On 2023-10-08, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-08 01:38, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 10/7/23 23:03, Wally J wrote:
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>>
>>>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.
>>
>> Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing
>> for anything more than a simple conversion.
>
> Handbrake can hand you back the confusion: install the command line
> version. (HandbrakeCLI).
>
> I use this as called by a program I wrote sometime back to mass
> convert some containers (esp .avi) to .mp4 with h.254 or h.255.

I've used HandbrakeCLI for many years to automate encoding and tagging
TV series and movies. It's great.

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On 10/8/23 4:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-07 17:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> [Only addressing this one point:]
>>
>>> In fact, the Linux desktop has features, for decades, that Windows
>>> doesn't have; for example, on Windows I feel constrained by having a
>>> single desktop. On Linux I have as many as I want.
>>
>> I don't know about "as many as I want", but Windows 11 and 10 (and
>> perhaps earlier) have multiple desktops.
>>
>> [...]
>
> :-?
>
> They don't show in my installs.

I seem to remember that that capability was added (to Win7) with an
add-on from MS called MAYBE powertoys. It did some other useful things.
There's a thing down at the bottom of the screen that shows the
windows available and you click the one you want.

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On 10/8/23 07:20, Alan Browne wrote:
> <Sarcasm=7>These 'niche' applications of smartphones are what make them
> superior to iPhone. </Sarcasm>
>

nitpick, but that's not how HTML works right? wouldn't it be like
<sarcasm power=7>
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>>
>> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.
>
> Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing for
> anything more than a simple conversion.

I'm glad the European and American patents expired for ffmpeg as it was a
PITA to have to use lame or download the compiled executables separately.

Directory of C:\app\editor\vid\youtube-dl
11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,929,280 ffmpeg.exe
11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,816,128 ffplay.exe
11/25/2018 04:52 PM 40,838,144 ffprobe.exe

Likewise, I can't wait for Qualcomm's 5G modem design patents to expire so
that the incompetent Apple chip design team can just copy the damn thing.
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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> your previous claim (with which I probably agree) goes moot the
> instant you continue with you diatribe on "ikooks".

Hi Carlos,
I'm happy you agree that I strive to understand these strange iKooks.
I can explain to you _why_ I expose the iKooks for what they are.

Think of it this way...

a. You're walking around town and you just helped a little old
lady cross the street, and you were helped, in turn, as cars
stopped to let you use the crosswalk when it was your turn.

b. You see... across the intersection, near the Apple store,
these ignorant rude low-IQ uneducated people pushing little
old ladies down on the ground and kicking their tiny poodle.

Day in, and day out, you see there is a special type of patently
unprepossessing person who hangs out outside the Apple store daily.

Their main trait is that they are desperate to defend Apple to the death.

... but what's worse...

They do not want to help anyone - and in fact - they'll brazenly lie to
anyone asking for help if that help points out a flaw in Apple product.

As an example, how many times has Jolly Roger lied about Apple support?
How many times has nospam lied about apps that he fabricated existing?
How many times has Alan Browne lied about Apple's infamous walled garden?

These iKooks have only one goal - which is to defend Apple to the death.
None of them care one bit about anyone other than defending Apple's honor.
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On 10/8/23, 6:22 AM, in article 22yUM.10360$Ssze.9691@fx48.iad, "Alan
Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> On 2023-10-08 09:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-08 14:37, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-08 07:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-07 17:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> [Only addressing this one point:]
>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, the Linux desktop has features, for decades, that Windows
>>>>>> doesn't have; for example, on Windows I feel constrained by having a
>>>>>> single desktop. On Linux I have as many as I want.
>>>>>
>>>>>    I don't know about "as many as I want", but Windows 11 and 10 (and
>>>>> perhaps earlier) have multiple desktops.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> :-?
>>>>
>>>> They don't show in my installs.
>>>
>>> Please clarify what you mean by multiple desktops.  Do you mean
>>> different environments (akin to Gnome, KDE...), or do you mean
>>> desktops (workspaces) that can be switched such that you view, example
>>> a "work" desktop with appropriate apps open and "home" desktop with
>>> other apps open.
>>
>> Worskpaces.
>
> Pretty standard in Windows as "task view" back to at least Win 7.

The multiple desktop feature has been built into Windows since who knows
when. Sysinternals Desktops allows you to switch between desktops and its
from 2006.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/desktops

On 2023-10-08 20:39, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/8/23 07:20, Alan Browne wrote:
>> <Sarcasm=7>These 'niche' applications of smartphones are what make
>> them superior to iPhone. </Sarcasm>
>>
>
> nitpick, but that's not how HTML works right? wouldn't it be like
> <sarcasm power=7>

<Whoosh=10></Whoosh>

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On 10/9/23 02:20, Wally J wrote:
> I'm glad the European and American patents expired for ffmpeg as it was a
> PITA to have to use lame or download the compiled executables separately.
>
> Directory of C:\app\editor\vid\youtube-dl
> 11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,929,280 ffmpeg.exe
> 11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,816,128 ffplay.exe
> 11/25/2018 04:52 PM 40,838,144 ffprobe.exe
>
> Likewise, I can't wait for Qualcomm's 5G modem design patents to expire so
> that the incompetent Apple chip design team can just copy the damn thing.

Tool patents are the worst sometimes.

Also, I'd recommend using yt-dlp instead if it's available.
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

> Also, I'd recommend using yt-dlp instead if it's available.

Thanks for that warning - where you are being purposefully helpful,
which I appreciate - since purposefully helpful people are few on here.

To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>

On all my platforms, except on iOS (which can't do thousands upon thousands
upon thousands of things all other platforms do), there's that d/l GUI.
<https://clipgrab.org/>

Given the download GUI (on all platforms other than on iOS) is self
contained, when I ran my "dir /s/a/l/on/b" for "ffmpeg", it was found only
in the old-style command-line folders - & not in the modern GUI folders.
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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
> its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
> that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>
>
> On all my platforms, except on iOS (which can't do thousands upon thousands
> upon thousands of things all other platforms do), there's that d/l GUI.
> <https://clipgrab.org/>

Given the r.p.d people are on this, and they might not know anything about
Apple products not being able to do what every other platform does...

I should clarify that on Android, the NewPipe GUI does the download & rip.
<http://newpipe.net>

On Windows, Linux & on macOS, ClipGrab is the downloading & ripping GUI.
<https://clipgrab.org/>

On iOS... there's no GUI for that.
<https://ios.null>

That's why it's funny when I hear iKooks say "there's an app for that",
because that's only true for every platform out there - but not iOS.
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On 2023-10-09, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
> On iOS... there's no GUI for that.

What Wally (Arlen) is purposely omitting in order to troll is that you
can indeed download YouTube videos with yt-dlp on iOS from the command
line:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/YgB5bmBzmMjP1LaaDe5vHw>

Clowns gonna clown though.

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On 10/9/23 18:28, Wally J wrote:
> To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
> its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
> that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>

Same, it refused to download stuff so I switched over.
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Sorry to hijack this thread for another test. As I recall PhoNews chopped
off all crossposts, perhaps a problem, perhaps not in some ways. Anyway
this thread is posted to 2 groups so lets see if it chops one off with this
post..

On 10/10/2023 9:44 AM, AJL wrote:

> Sorry to hijack this thread for another test. As I recall PhoNews chopped
> off all crossposts, perhaps a problem, perhaps not in some ways. Anyway
> this thread is posted to 2 groups so lets see if it chops one off with this
> post..

Yup. it does. It only posted to the Android group. So those of you that
might use it that might be worth remembering. I now return this thread
to normal use, and thanks...