"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message
news:sthglv$igg$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2/3/2022 1:34 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 2/2/22 14:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:05:33 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/22 17:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
> [snip]
>
> And after a couple Service Packs, Vista was fine. It
> just got a premature launch, to suit some business
> purpose.
>

Vista was fine if you gave it the 2GB RAM Microsoft originally specified.
The OEMs whinged & bleated that it would cost them too much to implement so
1GB was allowed instead.

--
Regards
wasbit

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 17:51:03, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
>On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[]
>You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
>revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.
>
>Patently untrue... with Win 11.
>
>Another kill-file.

If you mean you're kill-filing Paul, you'll mainly be depriving yourself
of much useful information.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Apologies to [those] who may have been harmed by the scientific inaccuracies
in this post. - Roger Tilbury in UMRA, 2018-3-14

On 2022-02-04 1:41 p.m., KenW wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:53:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 17:51:03, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote (my
>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> []
>>> You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
>>> revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.
>>>
>>> Patently untrue... with Win 11.
>>>
>>> Another kill-file.
>>
>> If you mean you're kill-filing Paul, you'll mainly be depriving yourself
>> of much useful information.
>
> +1000000000000
>
>
> KenW
>

what KenW wrote X 3 :-)

Rene

On 2/4/2022 3:10 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2022-02-04 1:41 p.m., KenW wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:53:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 17:51:03, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote (my
>>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> []
>>>> You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
>>>> revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Patently untrue... with Win 11.
>>>>
>>>> Another kill-file.
>>>
>>> If you mean you're kill-filing Paul, you'll mainly be depriving yourself
>>> of much useful information.
>>
>> +1000000000000
>>
>>
>> KenW
>>
>
> what KenW wrote X 3 :-)
>
> Rene
>

Oh, well. I was never one for "going through all the menus"
on these things. Even on the Insider, I don't really spend a
lot of time "trying to figure out what changed".

Paul

On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:51:05 -0000, wasbit <wasbitRemove@hotmailt.com> wrote:

> "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:sthglv$igg$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 2/3/2022 1:34 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 2/2/22 14:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:05:33 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/22 17:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> And after a couple Service Packs, Vista was fine. It
>> just got a premature launch, to suit some business
>> purpose.
>>
>
> Vista was fine if you gave it the 2GB RAM Microsoft originally specified.
> The OEMs whinged & bleated that it would cost them too much to implement so
> 1GB was allowed instead.

Who the hell had less than 4GB at that time?

On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:10:10 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/3/2022 11:42 AM, Nobody wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 06:56:35 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/3/2022 4:18 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:50:55 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
>>>> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Christ, my computers aren't that old. And I would never even put Windows 7 on 4GB machine. 4GB machines go in the bin. Using the minimum requirement means you've got the disk swapping non-stop, slowing the computer down by a factor of a billion, driving you crazy, and wearing out the drive.
>>>>
>>>> What would be the easiest way to check?
>>>>
>>>> I have 64gb of DDR4 plus a high end videocard (top 20 on Passmark) and
>>>> lots of disk space. I've got a 1tb DDR and would hope for more once
>>>> the price becomes more friendly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You check resource usage in Task Manager.
>>>
>>> Have you ever used Task Manager before ?
>>>
>>> At one time, it was the control-alt-delete thing.
>>>
>>> But it was also made available via a menu.
>>>
>>> On Windows 11, the convenient menu item was removed,
>>> so until we locate exactly what happened to it, it's
>>> back to control-alt-delete again :-)
>>
>> Huh? Win 11 Home x64...
>>
>> Right click START... Task Manager is immediately above SETTINGS
>>
>
> There's a reason for my focus on the right hand side of
> the screen. It's because that's where the function is
> most likely to be found when you switch between OSes.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y0jkGY0k/Task-Manager-then-and-now.gif
>
> I'm looking at the window of my fourth OS today so far,
> plugging and unplugging as the need arises.
>
> I don't even use the right-click Start Menu on Windows 11.
> I can't think of a reason to go in there :-)
>
> I do use right-click Start on Windows 11, but to access
> Device Manager and Disk Management.

First thing I did was remove the Windows 11 start menu with a freeware utility. With every edition they make it worse.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 01:51:03 -0000, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/2022 5:54 PM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:10:10 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:42 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 06:56:35 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/3/2022 4:18 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:50:55 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
>>>>>>> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christ, my computers aren't that old. And I would never even put Windows 7 on 4GB machine. 4GB machines go in the bin. Using the minimum requirement means you've got the disk swapping non-stop, slowing the computer down by a factor of a billion, driving you crazy, and wearing out the drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be the easiest way to check?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have 64gb of DDR4 plus a high end videocard (top 20 on Passmark) and
>>>>>>> lots of disk space. I've got a 1tb DDR and would hope for more once
>>>>>>> the price becomes more friendly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You check resource usage in Task Manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever used Task Manager before ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At one time, it was the control-alt-delete thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it was also made available via a menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Windows 11, the convenient menu item was removed,
>>>>>> so until we locate exactly what happened to it, it's
>>>>>> back to control-alt-delete again :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Win 11 Home x64...
>>>>>
>>>>> Right click START... Task Manager is immediately above SETTINGS
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do use right-click Start on Windows 11, but to access
>>>> Device Manager and Disk Management.
>>>>
>>>
>>> <scratching head vigorously>
>>>
>>> So another function in the same list is *inconvenient*?
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>
>> I'm used to looking for it in the same place, as I
>> move from OS to OS.
>>
>> I'm typing this from Windows 7.
>
> And yer point is... being lazy?
>
> You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
> revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.

I use CTRL SHIFT ESC, takes you there straight away. And they're nicely placed keys you can get at once with one hand.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 20:10:22 -0000, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 2022-02-04 1:41 p.m., KenW wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:53:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 17:51:03, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote (my
>>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> []
>>>> You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
>>>> revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Patently untrue... with Win 11.
>>>>
>>>> Another kill-file.
>>>
>>> If you mean you're kill-filing Paul, you'll mainly be depriving yourself
>>> of much useful information.
>>
>> +1000000000000
>>
>>
>> KenW
>>
>
> what KenW wrote X 3 :-)

Careful, modern graphics cards hate 64 bit precision.

On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 01:45:19 -0000, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:53:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 17:51:03, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote (my
>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:02:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> []
>>> You were the one up-thread grumbling about Win 11... and needing to
>>> revert to ctrl+alt+del to access Task Manager.
>>>
>>> Patently untrue... with Win 11.
>>>
>>> Another kill-file.
>>
>> If you mean you're kill-filing Paul, you'll mainly be depriving yourself
>> of much useful information.
>
> His fallout.
>
> I mean, he moans about a 'problem'... is presented with an easy fix
> (from two contributors yet)... which he then rubbishes... while
> admitting to using the exact same suggested route to access another
> function, where that same route displays his query?
>
> And then has the gall to quote Win 7 as an excuse... on a discussion
> group for Win 10, involving a Win 11 query!
>
> Oh, I give up.

I thought you were killfiling him? Did you forget?

On 2/6/2022 1:37 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>
> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
> True or untrue? (I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>

Microsoft has a web page with memory limits listed.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases

x86??? x64
Windows 11 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines
Windows 10 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines
Windows 8 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines

The last OS that was pinched for memory license, was Windows 7,
where you might need Professional as the minimum SKU.

Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB
Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB 192 GB
Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB <=== a better sizing (used w. my 4930K)
Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB <=== too tight limit
Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB

Paul

On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>
>My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>True or untrue?

Untrue.

32-bit Home - 4MB
64-bit Home - 128MB

> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)

OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
warrants having so much?

Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>
>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>> True or untrue?
>
>
>
> Untrue.
>
> 32-bit Home - 4MB
> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>
>> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>
> OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
> warrants having so much?
>
Need to multiply those 32/64 bit MB numbers up a bit

:) I've done the same when typing when I should have copy/pasted.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ
msft mvp 2007-2020

>
> Untrue.
>
> 32-bit Home - 4MB
> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>

Even the above two lines are wrong and misleading. You won't find 4MB
and 128MB ram in any of the modern machines.

These newsgroups have become the cesspit of misinformation and
conspiracies about everything including Covid-19 and dodgy investments.

On 2/6/2022 2:37 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>>> True or untrue?
>>
>>
>>
>> Untrue.
>>
>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>
>>> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>>
>> OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
>> warrants having so much?
>>
> Need to multiply those 32/64 bit MB numbers up a bit
>
> :) I've done the same when typing when I should have copy/pasted.
>

I must admit, I copy/pasted. It's because I love
editing those excess <tab> characters that web pages
are so generously fitted with.

Maybe you know the answer. The Microsoft web page has a column for x86 (32-bit)
Windows 11. I didn't think such a thing existed. Is there actually
a 32-bit version alive and well somewhere ?

Paul

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 20:56:22 -0000, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 00:43:37 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> and I didn't
>>> like Vista. I think Win 7 was already available. I'm not sure why I
>>> wasn't using it yet.
>>
>> Vista was pretty much the same as 7.
>
> Maybe but it had serious performance issues which were fixed for 7

I didn't notice any, on fast or slow machines.

On 2022-02-06 3:08 p.m., Paul wrote:
> On 2/6/2022 2:37 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>>>> True or untrue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Untrue.
>>>
>>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>>
>>>> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>>>
>>> OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
>>> warrants having so much?
>>>
>> Need to multiply those 32/64 bit MB numbers up a bit
>>
>> :) I've done the same when typing when I should have copy/pasted.
>>
>
> I must admit, I copy/pasted. It's because I love
> editing those excess <tab> characters that web pages
> are so generously fitted with.
>
> Maybe you know the answer. The Microsoft web page has a column for x86
> (32-bit)
> Windows 11. I didn't think such a thing existed. Is there actually
> a 32-bit version alive and well somewhere ?
>
>    Paul
>

It's the Sasquatch edition. :-)

Rene

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 06:37:50 -0000, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>
> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
> True or untrue? (I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)

Untrue. I have 11 Pro, which was 11 Home, which was 10 Home. All used my 64GB just fine.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 07:42:38 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/6/2022 1:37 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>
>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>> True or untrue? (I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>>
>
> Microsoft has a web page with memory limits listed.
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases
>
> x86??? x64
> Windows 11 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines
> Windows 10 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines
> Windows 8 Home 4 GB 128 GB <=== good for home user machines
>
> The last OS that was pinched for memory license, was Windows 7,
> where you might need Professional as the minimum SKU.
>
> Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB
> Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB 192 GB
> Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB <=== a better sizing (used w. my 4930K)
> Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB <=== too tight limit
> Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB

Wow, was Windows 7 that small?! 16?!!? Mind you I only used Ultimate - why wouldn't you?

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 17:03:30 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>
>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>> True or untrue?
>
>
>
> Untrue.
>
> 32-bit Home - 4MB
> 64-bit Home - 128MB

GB, not MB.

>> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>
> OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
> warrants having so much?

I have that much aswell. What century are you living in?

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 20:48:15 -0000, Windows 11 User <Win11@win11.win11> wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Untrue.
>>
>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>
>
> Even the above two lines are wrong and misleading. You won't find 4MB
> and 128MB ram in any of the modern machines.
>
> These newsgroups have become the cesspit of misinformation and
> conspiracies about everything including Covid-19 and dodgy investments..

I can remember in the 90s my neighbour bought 4 x 1MB RAM and received 4 x 4MB of RAM by mistake, saving £200. No, he didn't return it!

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:08:28 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/6/2022 2:37 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:37:50 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:18:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Home or Professional. Right-click on any bank space on the task bar.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that Home doesn't work with more than 16gb of RAM.
>>>> True or untrue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Untrue.
>>>
>>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>>
>>>> I'm using Pro and have 64 gb DDR4)
>>>
>>> OK, but that's a *lot* of RAM for almost everyone. What do you do that
>>> warrants having so much?
>>>
>> Need to multiply those 32/64 bit MB numbers up a bit
>>
>> :) I've done the same when typing when I should have copy/pasted.
>>
>
> I must admit, I copy/pasted. It's because I love
> editing those excess <tab> characters that web pages
> are so generously fitted with.
>
> Maybe you know the answer. The Microsoft web page has a column for x86 (32-bit)
> Windows 11. I didn't think such a thing existed. Is there actually
> a 32-bit version alive and well somewhere ?

So thy make a version for non-64 bit CPUs, but it has to have TPM?!

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 12:56:22 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 00:43:37 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
><CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> and I didn't
>>> like Vista. I think Win 7 was already available. I'm not sure why I
>>> wasn't using it yet.
>>
>>Vista was pretty much the same as 7.
>
>Maybe but it had serious performance issues

In your experience. Not in mine.

>which were fixed for 7

On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 20:48:15 +0000, Windows 11 User <Win11@win11.win11>
wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Untrue.
>>
>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>
>
>Even the above two lines are wrong and misleading. You won't find 4MB
>and 128MB ram in any of the modern machines.

They are *not* wrong. Those *are* the maximum amounts supported.
Whether they are commonly found is another issue entirely.

And by the way, 128GB is certainly not commonly found, but 4GB on a
32bit Home machine *is* common--probably most common.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:19:18 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 20:48:15 +0000, Windows 11 User <Win11@win11.win11>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Untrue.
>>>
>>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>>
>>
>> Even the above two lines are wrong and misleading. You won't find 4MB
>> and 128MB ram in any of the modern machines.
>
>
> They are *not* wrong. Those *are* the maximum amounts supported.
> Whether they are commonly found is another issue entirely.

Learn the difference between M ad G.

> And by the way, 128GB is certainly not commonly found, but 4GB on a
> 32bit Home machine *is* common--probably most common.

I've got 64GB. I would have bought 128GB but I couldn't afford it.

On 2/6/2022 3:48 PM, Windows 11 User wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Untrue.
>>
>> 32-bit Home - 4MB
>> 64-bit Home - 128MB
>>
>
> Even the above two lines are wrong and misleading. You won't find 4MB
> and 128MB ram in any of the modern machines.
>
> These newsgroups have become the cesspit of misinformation and
> conspiracies about everything including Covid-19 and dodgy investments.
>
>

You can actually. It's a bit nuanced, but the
raw capability is there to "software limit" what the OS
is allowed to use. The explanation in the past was,
"this is easier than unplugging DIMMs when testing".

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/boot-parameters-to-manipulate-memory

You can pare down free ram with a BCDEDIT change.

If you want to set the machine to use only 128MB out of
the 64GB you have on board, you can do that! When it crashes
and burns, no problemo, boot the installer DVD, run Command Prompt,
issue another bcdedit (offline style) command and change the
MAXMEM setting to a more pleasing value.

MAXMEM was available in Windows XP as well. And maybe
even earlier, but I forget.

*******

The above two lines were an honest typo, and don't
need to be dwelt upon.

*******

I've run Windows 10 in a VM, with the VM set to 256MB.
Today, I'm not sure that would work, but if you
reinstall 10240, that will work. Something called
"Memory Compressor" would run railed on one core,
but there's enough RAM to use notepad if you want.
The slack might be 8MB or so (the memory compressor
doesn't try to free up much more than that much slack).

You can also use Russinoviches "TestLimit64.exe" program,
to apply memory pressure to systems and see what their
core memory usage is like. On current versions of
both Windows 10 and Windows 11, I'm seeing 2.8GB as the
core memory amount. That's why it would be interesting
to dial them down again (like in a VM), and see if they
survive with really low settings now. I can run Windows 11
fully enabled (no tricks) in VMWare Workstation 16,
and then dial it down there. But VirtualBox isn't ready
for that yet, and won't be for a while.

Paul