On 11/7/23 5:38 AM, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 06/11/2023 21:34, druck wrote:
>> On 06/11/2023 15:01, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>> Another problem I found with RPiB+/Bookworm lite is the overscan
>>> settings.
>> [Snip]
>>> which works until the (new) video driver takes over
>>
>> Overscan is yet another thing the Wayland developers can't be bother
>> supporting, so no longer work.
>>
>>> Solution: comment out the new driver viz:
>>>
>>> # Enable DRM VC4 V3D driver
>>> #dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d
>>> #max_framebuffers=2
>>
>> There is no need to stop using the driver, just switch back to using X11.
>>
>> ---druck
>>
>
> AFAIK Raspberry Pi OS Bookworm Lite doesn't use either X11 or Wayland

"Lite" - no, definitely not.

However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
gui tools, IS a royal pain in the ass. I provided some
networkmanager templates and instructions in this group
for making all that much faster and less painful.

However the next step, "Desktop", DOES have the goodies,
though you have to manually install AND run as root
(AND there's LOT of "junk" co-installed)

You can use "raspi-config" to set X11 or Wayland.

Didn't solve MY issue - which was HARDWARE SPECIFIC -
ie something worked perfectly on a Pi3, but not a
Pi4 - but I found a work-around (eventually).

On 08/11/2023 05:28, 56d.1152 wrote:
> The way the world is going we'll ALL be relying
>   on horses and donkeys again ....   🙂

Well that's an apt description of most politician...The problem is how
to take back control from them. So that I can do what's best for me, not
what some left wing academic sitting in an ivory tower thinks is best
for me.

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 00:28:41 -0500
"56d.1152" <56d.1152@ztq9.net> wrote:

> The way the world is going we'll ALL be relying
> on horses and donkeys again .... :-)

Then there will have to be far fewer of us.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 00:00:20 -0500
"56d.1152" <56d.1152@ztq9.net> wrote:

> Anyway, let's get REAL. Yer Linux/BSD devices WILL mostly be
> communicating with WINDERS shit almost exclusively.

None of mine are. There are no windows machines on my LAN.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 08/11/2023 05:28, 56d.1152 wrote:
> On 11/7/23 4:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>> On 07/11/2023 03:17, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> .....
>>>
>>>    I have looked into the BSDs - including the ARM version
>>>    of FreeBSD.
>>
>> I run freebsd on a pi4 as our main server. A little slow, but works
>> well enough. Used to run samba (on an i386), but got rid of windows in
>> favour of linux desktops quite a few years ago and never looked back.
>
>   Kinda dinky "main server" ... I use a fast i9/gen-12  :-)

And what's the power (watts :-}) difference I wonder?

Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
solid or more in the past; currently at 3. I've no feeling for how
reliable linux is for that sort of duration. I'd not expect windows to
run that long; IMBW.

(I once had a vax/vms system still going after a year without reboot. It
was only stopped because of a company Christmas shutdown. I still miss
vms even with its vagaries :-) )

--
Mike Scott
Harlow, England

On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>   gui tools,

Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
raspi-config.

Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.

On 08/11/2023 12:33, Mike Scott wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 05:28, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> On 11/7/23 4:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2023 03:17, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>> .....
>>>>
>>>>    I have looked into the BSDs - including the ARM version
>>>>    of FreeBSD.
>>>
>>> I run freebsd on a pi4 as our main server. A little slow, but works
>>> well enough. Used to run samba (on an i386), but got rid of windows
>>> in favour of linux desktops quite a few years ago and never looked back.
>>
>>    Kinda dinky "main server" ... I use a fast i9/gen-12  :-)
>
> And what's the power (watts :-}) difference I wonder?
>
> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
> solid or more in the past; currently at 3. I've no feeling for how
> reliable linux is for that sort of duration. I'd not expect windows to
> run that long; IMBW.
>
> (I once had a vax/vms system still going after a year without reboot. It
> was only stopped because of a company Christmas shutdown. I still miss
> vms even with its vagaries :-)  )
>
>
My (current) home linux server never 'goes down' except when there is a
power cut or a kernel or complete distro upgrade.

I hope its PI4B replacement will be as reliable

I see no reason why not
When we ran a shitload of Unix back in the day it never 'went down'
unless someone installed prototype software on it...Windows was rebooted
daily.

--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>    gui tools,
>
> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
> for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
> raspi-config.
>
> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>
Never heard of nmtui before

I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
different way already.

--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 2023-11-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 00:28:41 -0500
> "56d.1152" <56d.1152@ztq9.net> wrote:
>
>> The way the world is going we'll ALL be relying
>> on horses and donkeys again .... :-)
>
> Then there will have to be far fewer of us.

Just as well. There are too damned many of us as it is, and the
politicians are pushing population growth as hard as they can.
It's all gonna crash, sooner or later (probably sooner).

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | "Some of you may die,
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | but it's a sacrifice
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make."
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 12:33:46 +0000
Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:

> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
> solid or more in the past; currently at 3.

Some years back at Yahoo! I turned off some FreeBSD servers that had
been running without a reboot for over seven years.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 08/11/2023 14:50, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 12:33:46 +0000
> Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
>> solid or more in the past; currently at 3.
>
> Some years back at Yahoo! I turned off some FreeBSD servers that had
> been running without a reboot for over seven years.
>

I suspect the prize is yours then :-}

--
Mike Scott
Harlow, England

On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>    gui tools,
>>
>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
>> for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
>> raspi-config.
>>
>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>
> Never heard of nmtui before
>
> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
> different way already.
>
>
>
Doesn't work how?

It's not installed?
It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
It doesn't have access to network devices?

On 08/11/2023 14:51, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>>    gui tools,
>>>
>>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
>>> for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
>>> raspi-config.
>>>
>>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>>
>> Never heard of nmtui before
>>
>> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
>> different way already.
>>
>>
>>
> Doesn't work how?
>
> It's not installed?
> It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
> It doesn't have access to network devices?
>
I click on 'edit' and nothing happens. I am not sure that it thinks
there is even an interface to configure.

>
>
>
>

--
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

On 08/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 14:51, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>>> gui tools,
>>>>
>>>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical
>>>> interface for network configuration that is present. Looks like and
>>>> works like raspi-config.
>>>>
>>>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>>>
>>> Never heard of nmtui before
>>>
>>> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
>>> different way already.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Doesn't work how?
>>
>> It's not installed?
>> It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
>> It doesn't have access to network devices?
>>
> I click on 'edit' and nothing happens. I am not sure that it thinks
> there is even an interface to configure.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Presumably doesn't work in NetworkManager is not running. What does
nmcli say?

--
Chris Elvidge, England
RUDOLPH'S RED NOSE IS NOT ALCOHOL-RELATED

On 2023-11-08, Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 14:50, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 12:33:46 +0000
>> Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
>>> solid or more in the past; currently at 3.
>>
>> Some years back at Yahoo! I turned off some FreeBSD servers that had
>> been running without a reboot for over seven years.
>>
>
> I suspect the prize is yours then :-}
>

Indeed - I was going to boast about my home linux servers having racked
up large uptimes, in one case with uptime wrapping round (a good few
years ago - an old linux kernel) - I was a bit nervous. I think the max
was 2 and half years - we do have a decent mains power supply, and yes, I
know that at some point I prob. should have done some security upgrades
that might have needed a reboot.

Since I stopped using the EPIA motherboards with VIA chips (20+ years
ago?) I've never had a crash. The boards have either been powered down
for hardware changes, kernel upgrades, and once because of finger
trouble - I typed shutdown in the wrong ssh session!!!

The server runs DNS, DHCP, Syslog, SMTP, IMAP, NFS, SMB, NTP, HTTP
servers as well as doing various LAN monitoring - currently on a PI3B,
with an upgrade to 4B being planned. Needless to say the NFS, SMB, HTTP
traffic is light, except when backups running!

On Wed, 08 Nov 2023 17:40:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2023-11-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 00:28:41 -0500 "56d.1152" <56d.1152@ztq9.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The way the world is going we'll ALL be relying on horses and
>>> donkeys again .... :-)

No chance! There hasn't been enough farmland in the USA to feed all the
horses needed to replace all diesel and petrol-powered road transport
since the late 1960s. Cities have expanded a lot since then as well, which
has in turn reduced available farmland still further during the last 70
years.

> Just as well. There are too damned many of us as it is, and the
> politicians are pushing population growth as hard as they can. It's all
> gonna crash, sooner or later (probably sooner).

Global population has grown by over 300% in my lifetime.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

On 08/11/2023 17:12, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 14:51, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>>>>    gui tools,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical
>>>>> interface for network configuration that is present. Looks like and
>>>>> works like raspi-config.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>>>>
>>>> Never heard of nmtui before
>>>>
>>>> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
>>>> different way already.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Doesn't work how?
>>>
>>> It's not installed?
>>> It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
>>> It doesn't have access to network devices?
>>>
>> I click on 'edit' and nothing happens. I am not sure that it thinks
>> there is even an interface to configure.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Presumably doesn't work in NetworkManager is not running. What does
> nmcli say?
>
>
If NetworkManager doesn't manage the interfaces then nmtui can't do
anything and that is what I wrote about several posts back.

nmcli will show the interfaces and whether NM is managing them. If it
isn't you need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf so they
are managed by NM then you can use nmtui. nmtui was so very simple to
use having used the NM applet on various Linux desktops, just a text
mode version of what I've used for some time.

On 11/8/23 7:33 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 05:28, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> On 11/7/23 4:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2023 03:17, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>> .....
>>>>
>>>>    I have looked into the BSDs - including the ARM version
>>>>    of FreeBSD.
>>>
>>> I run freebsd on a pi4 as our main server. A little slow, but works
>>> well enough. Used to run samba (on an i386), but got rid of windows
>>> in favour of linux desktops quite a few years ago and never looked back.
>>
>>    Kinda dinky "main server" ... I use a fast i9/gen-12  :-)
>
> And what's the power (watts :-}) difference I wonder?

Depends on the LOAD. If not much is going on it can
be fairly conservative, maybe 70 watts.

> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9 months
> solid or more in the past; currently at 3. I've no feeling for how
> reliable linux is for that sort of duration. eI'd not expect windows to
> run that long; IMBW.

I did have a simple Raspbian (very early) running on a Pi-1 for
about six+ years without interruption. It only does ONE thing though.
I'd forgotten it existed. Same SD card for all those years too.

Upgraded it to Bullseye and a new card a couple of years ago.
It'll likely run for a decade.

Now a very BUSY/DIVERSE system ... hard to say how long Linux
would run without a reboot. Actually Win-Server is pretty good
in that respect. Thing is, if "busy", you generally do some
kind of updates LONG before the system becomes unstable.
With Linux, updated kernels come out rather frequently and
I always reboot so everything will 'take'.

> (I once had a vax/vms system still going after a year without reboot. It
> was only stopped because of a company Christmas shutdown. I still miss
> vms even with its vagaries :-)  )

I have a 300+ page - small type - VMS manual. Did use it
and DID like it. It was well ahead of its time in many
respects. I'd be happy if some guru would kind of revive
it, adding a few more modern features, esp internet stuff.
You USED to be able to get VMS that'd run on X86, maybe ARM,
emulators but the owners decided to end that. There ARE
articles on running Unix s-V on a Pi however. VMS was much
better. Maybe after I'm fully retired ...

In any case the BSDs *are* solid. They don't try to keep
up with the latest fads. Perfect long-term function seems
to be the goal. Linux is far easier to work with, but that
may come with a price sometimes.

The systems that intrigue me are those they put on NASA
deep space probes and such. The redundancy, the ability
to work around serious hardware problems, amazing. That
is *art* ......

On 11/8/23 8:34 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 12:33, Mike Scott wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 05:28, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>> On 11/7/23 4:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>> On 07/11/2023 03:17, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>> .....
>>>>>
>>>>>    I have looked into the BSDs - including the ARM version
>>>>>    of FreeBSD.
>>>>
>>>> I run freebsd on a pi4 as our main server. A little slow, but works
>>>> well enough. Used to run samba (on an i386), but got rid of windows
>>>> in favour of linux desktops quite a few years ago and never looked
>>>> back.
>>>
>>>    Kinda dinky "main server" ... I use a fast i9/gen-12  :-)
>>
>> And what's the power (watts :-}) difference I wonder?
>>
>> Incidentally, freebsd is pretty reliable - I've had it run for 9
>> months solid or more in the past; currently at 3. I've no feeling for
>> how reliable linux is for that sort of duration. I'd not expect
>> windows to run that long; IMBW.
>>
>> (I once had a vax/vms system still going after a year without reboot.
>> It was only stopped because of a company Christmas shutdown. I still
>> miss vms even with its vagaries :-)  )
>>
>>
> My (current) home linux server never 'goes down' except when there is a
> power cut or a kernel or complete distro upgrade.
>
> I hope its PI4B replacement will be as reliable

I'm gonna suggest an ASUS "Tuf"/"ROG" board instead.
Much faster, very very reliable, all the BIOS tweaks
fully exposed. More expensive than a Pi4 of course ...
but you get what you pay for.

> I see no reason why not
> When we ran a shitload of Unix back in the day it never 'went down'
> unless someone installed prototype software on it...Windows was rebooted
> daily.

And should STILL be rebooted daily :-)

Actually, I've learned to set auto-reboot on Pi's
that are running 'messy' - graphics/com-intensive -
apps. Crontab it at 6am or whatever ... gets rid
of all those little memory leaks and unclosed
subprocesses.

Winders is a MESS. Nobody at M$ really understands how
it all works, so it's blind patches and tweaks and damn
the side-effects. Tell the stupid consumers it's all
THEIR fault. Bet there's STILL some original Gates
code from the Ancient Times in there. But - Granny KEEPS
buying it ... hey, it comes "free" with yer new laptop !

Hmmm ... all that M$ cloud stuff, does anyone think it
runs on Winders Server ??? :-)

On 11/8/23 9:51 AM, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>>    gui tools,
>>>
>>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
>>> for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
>>> raspi-config.
>>>
>>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>>
>> Never heard of nmtui before
>>
>> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
>> different way already.
>>
>>
>>
> Doesn't work how?
>
> It's not installed?
> It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
> It doesn't have access to network devices?

???

'nmcli' does exist and DOES work ... theoretically
anyhow. However it's a CRAPPY/COMPLEX/INFLEXIBLE
utility. I'm about to start writing something better
"for the rest of us". I'll post it when it's good.

On 11/8/23 7:50 AM, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>    gui tools,
>
> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical interface
> for network configuration that is present. Looks like and works like
> raspi-config.
>
> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.

'nmcli' .... but I'm not a nit-picker, typos happen, often.

Alas nmcli is quite user-unfriendly IMHO. There are days I
change network stuff several TIMES a day and nmcli is NOT
my buddy. Ergo the 'templates' I posted the other day for
/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections

I'm beginning to work on a Python script that'll be much
easier to use than nmcli. Still text/terminal, but aimed
at "the rest of us", the ability to do usual tweaks very
easily.

Laziness is the mother of all invention :-)

On 09/11/2023 05:16, 56d.1152 wrote:
> 'nmcli' .... but I'm not a nit-picker, typos happen, often.

No nmtui is the graphical style textual command and nmcli is the pure
CLI command.

However, in your case the command is *plonk*!

On 08/11/2023 17:12, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 14:51, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 08/11/2023 12:50, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 08/11/2023 05:43, 56d.1152 wrote:
>>>>>> However setting things like a static IP on 'lite', no
>>>>>>    gui tools,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rasbian lite installed here. nmtui is a text mode graphical
>>>>> interface for network configuration that is present. Looks like and
>>>>> works like raspi-config.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't say there's no gui for network control when there obviously is.
>>>>>
>>>> Never heard of nmtui before
>>>>
>>>> I tried it. It didn't work. Probably because I have done things a
>>>> different way already.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Doesn't work how?
>>>
>>> It's not installed?
>>> It doesn't load or show you a menu of options?
>>> It doesn't have access to network devices?
>>>
>> I click on 'edit' and nothing happens. I am not sure that it thinks
>> there is even an interface to configure.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Presumably doesn't work in NetworkManager is not running. What does
> nmcli say?
>
>
No idea and don't have time to play.

Maybe later :-)

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

On 2023-11-08, Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Nov 2023 17:40:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 00:28:41 -0500 "56d.1152" <56d.1152@ztq9.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way the world is going we'll ALL be relying on horses and
>>>> donkeys again .... :-)
>
> No chance! There hasn't been enough farmland in the USA to feed all the
> horses needed to replace all diesel and petrol-powered road transport
> since the late 1960s. Cities have expanded a lot since then as well, which
> has in turn reduced available farmland still further during the last 70
> years.

The problem I heard about horses was waste disposal.

>> Just as well. There are too damned many of us as it is, and the
>> politicians are pushing population growth as hard as they can. It's all
>> gonna crash, sooner or later (probably sooner).
>
> Global population has grown by over 300% in my lifetime.

I'm just a young'un - when I was born in 1950 the population was
2.5 billion, so for me it's just been a 220% increase since birth.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

On 11/9/23 2:58 AM, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 09/11/2023 05:16, 56d.1152 wrote:
>> 'nmcli' .... but I'm not a nit-picker, typos happen, often.
>
> No nmtui is the graphical style textual command and nmcli is the pure
> CLI command.
>
> However, in your case the command is *plonk*!

Please do.

SO many snobs in the LiniVerse ... SO sad.