My claim is "most" modern phones have at least a 4-1/2 hour battery nowadays
(and as a result, a phone that does not is downright primitive in terms of
modern battery technology - and yes - packaging is a technology component).

I just ran this search where they only allow even numbers so I set the
search to 4.4Ah (instead of to 4.5Ah) & allowed all phones in 2021 & 2022.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&nBatCapacityMin=4400>

That shows 485 phones since 2021 with battery capacity of 4.4Ah or greater.

People who claim Apple iPhones aren't primitive - feel free to run the
search (and feel free to run a _different_ search because almost any search
you run will prove that iPhones are a primitive technology in 2021/2022).

At least in terms of battery technology (which certainly includes the form
factor, especially as Apple widely touts their BS battery form factors).

This is a cut-and-paste of the top 70 shown in the first page results:
Realme GT Neo3 Android 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A53 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A73 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A33 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 1024GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi 12 Pro Android - 4600 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi K50 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Realme Narzo 50A Prime Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi K50 Android - 5500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi 12 Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Poco X4 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro Android - 5020 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Honor Magic4 Ultimate Android - 4600 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A32 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Oppo A96 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy F23 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Xiaomi 12X Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Poco F3 Android - 4520 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Realme GT2 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro Android - 5160 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A52 Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi K40S Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
OnePlus 10 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
OnePlus Nord CE 2 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
vivo iQOO Z6 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A22 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Xiaomi 11T Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 16GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi 10C Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
Realme 9 Pro+ Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Oppo Find X5 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Google Pixel 6 Pro Android - 5003 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Realme 9 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A03 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
Xiaomi 11T Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 10S Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Oppo K10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Google Pixel 6 Android - 4614 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A23 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A22 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A13 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy M52 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A03s Android - 5000 mAh battery, 64GB, 4GB RAM
Oppo Reno7 Z 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
OnePlus Nord 2 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Oppo Reno7 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A72 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A32 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Motorola Edge 30 Pro Android - 4800 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi 10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi K50 Gaming Android - 4700 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Realme 9i Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
Oppo Reno7 Pro 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
OnePlus 9 Pro Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
Infinix Note 11 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Sony Xperia Pro-I Android - 4500 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy A52 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
Samsung Galaxy M33 Android - 6000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
Realme 9 5G Speed Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM

Wow. That's interesting. Not a _single_ Apple iPhone in those results.
Now I know why the Apple people don't like this fact about Apple iPhones.
--
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esteem; but due to that, they're so upset that Apple always screws them.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> My claim is "most" modern phones have at least a 4-1/2 hour battery nowadays
> (and as a result, a phone that does not is downright primitive in terms of
> modern battery technology - and yes - packaging is a technology component).
>
> I just ran this search where they only allow even numbers so I set the
> search to 4.4Ah (instead of to 4.5Ah) & allowed all phones in 2021 & 2022.
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&nBatCapacityMin=4400>
>
> That shows 485 phones since 2021 with battery capacity of 4.4Ah or greater.
>
> People who claim Apple iPhones aren't primitive - feel free to run the
> search (and feel free to run a _different_ search because almost any search
> you run will prove that iPhones are a primitive technology in 2021/2022).
>
> At least in terms of battery technology (which certainly includes the form
> factor, especially as Apple widely touts their BS battery form factors).
>
> This is a cut-and-paste of the top 70 shown in the first page results:
> Realme GT Neo3 Android 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A53 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A73 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A33 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 1024GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi 12 Pro Android - 4600 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi K50 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Realme Narzo 50A Prime Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi K50 Android - 5500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi 12 Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Poco X4 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro Android - 5020 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Honor Magic4 Ultimate Android - 4600 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A32 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Oppo A96 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy F23 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Xiaomi 12X Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Poco F3 Android - 4520 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Realme GT2 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro Android - 5160 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A52 Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi K40S Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> OnePlus 10 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> OnePlus Nord CE 2 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> vivo iQOO Z6 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A22 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Xiaomi 11T Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 16GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi 10C Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
> Realme 9 Pro+ Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Oppo Find X5 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Google Pixel 6 Pro Android - 5003 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Realme 9 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A03 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 4GB RAM
> Xiaomi 11T Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 10S Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Oppo K10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Google Pixel 6 Android - 4614 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A23 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A22 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A13 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy M52 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A03s Android - 5000 mAh battery, 64GB, 4GB RAM
> Oppo Reno7 Z 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> OnePlus Nord 2 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Oppo Reno7 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A72 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A32 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Motorola Edge 30 Pro Android - 4800 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi 10 Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi K50 Gaming Android - 4700 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Realme 9i Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 6GB RAM
> Oppo Reno7 Pro 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro 5G Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> OnePlus 9 Pro Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 12GB RAM
> Infinix Note 11 Pro Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Sony Xperia Pro-I Android - 4500 mAh battery, 512GB, 12GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy A52 5G Android - 4500 mAh battery, 256GB, 8GB RAM
> Samsung Galaxy M33 Android - 6000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
> Realme 9 5G Speed Android - 5000 mAh battery, 128GB, 8GB RAM
>
> Wow. That's interesting. Not a _single_ Apple iPhone in those results.
> Now I know why the Apple people don't like this fact about Apple iPhones.

Your focus started on battery life — 4.5 hours.

Then you moved goalposts to try to make Apple look bad. Curious.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2022-03-23 9:55 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> My claim is "most" modern phones have at least a 4-1/2 hour battery
> nowadays

Ummmm.... ...no.

Your claim WAS that "most" phones (not "modern" phones) had a 5 amp-hour
batter (or implicitly, better than that).

And that claim was completely wrong.

> (and as a result, a phone that does not is downright primitive in terms of
> modern battery technology - and yes - packaging is a technology component).
>
> I just ran this search where they only allow even numbers so I set the
> search to 4.4Ah (instead of to 4.5Ah) & allowed all phones in 2021 & 2022.
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&nBatCapacityMin=4400>
>
> That shows 485 phones since 2021 with battery capacity of 4.4Ah or greater.

So you change your claim... ...and?

>
> People who claim Apple iPhones aren't primitive - feel free to run the
> search (and feel free to run a _different_ search because almost any search
> you run will prove that iPhones are a primitive technology in 2021/2022).

Again: people don't give a DAMN what number of amp-hours their battery has.

They care how long their phone will run.

>
> At least in terms of battery technology (which certainly includes the form
> factor, especially as Apple widely touts their BS battery form factors).
>
> This is a cut-and-paste of the top 70 shown in the first page results:

Great! So what?

>
> Wow. That's interesting. Not a _single_ Apple iPhone in those results.
> Now I know why the Apple people don't like this fact about Apple iPhones.

And yet, when you look at how long phones can actually run before
needing to recharged, the picture is quite different.

On 3/23/2022 9:59 AM, Snit wrote:

<snip>

> Your focus started on battery life — 4.5 hours.

I noticed that too, but I think that he just forgot to put in "Amp-"
before "hours," or he may not understand how batteries are rated for
capacity (though the more common error is to use "Amps" without hours).

And of course this assumes single-cell batteries. Some flagship phones
are now using two-cell batteries so then you really want to use WH if
the cells are discharged in series (Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra). The advantage
is being able to charge the phone faster since the batteries are charged
in parallel (it can charge at 120W and fully charge in 21 minutes).
There are also some other advantages of doing DC-DC conversion from 7.4V
instead of from 3.7V.

On 3/23/2022 11:36 AM, sms wrote:
> On 3/23/2022 9:59 AM, Snit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Your focus started on battery life — 4.5 hours.
>
> I noticed that too, but I think that he just forgot to put in "Amp-"
> before "hours," or he may not understand how batteries are rated for
> capacity (though the more common error is to use "Amps" without hours).
>
> And of course this assumes single-cell batteries. Some flagship phones
> are now using two-cell batteries so then you really want to use WH if
> the cells are discharged in series (Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra).

Actually it's the Xiaomi 11T Pro, my mistake.

sms wrote:

>> Your focus started on battery life �X 4.5 hours.
>
> I noticed that too, but I think that he just forgot to put in "Amp-"
> before "hours," or he may not understand how batteries are rated for
> capacity (though the more common error is to use "Amps" without hours).

Thank you Steve for pointing this out as I don't see any posts but yours.
(The only people I have in my killfiles are Snit, Alan Baker, Rod Speed,
Dustin Cook, et. al, so _you_ are not in my killfile & you never will be).

Since my graduate work is also in electrical engineering (it's far more
complicated than that but that's good enough for this purpose) much like
your undergraduate EE degree, rest assured it was simply a typo (I didn't
even look back as I _was_ talking only about battery Amp-hour ratings).

Battery-life tests are a completely different component (in many ways).

For example, given Apple touts their battery form factors, and given we are
all well aware Apple cheaped out on battery materials in the iPhone 12, and
given it appears Apple doesn't have a single modern-sized battery yet in any
iPhone, what would be interesting is to find out if Apple makes even a
_single_ iPhone that has a 4-1/2 Amp-hour rated battery in _any_ iPhone.

Even so, I will agree ahead of time that the Amp-hour rating isn't as
important as how long the battery lasts in typical use but we all have to
realize that it's a fact nobody on the planet has ever independently
replicated Apple's overly inflated battery life tests in any known report.

My overall assessment is that it's so yesterday to need to charge a phone
overnight anymore, what with the ubiquity of fast chargers & huge batteries.
--
Apple only tells the truth in court.

On 2022-03-23 4:00 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>>> Your focus started on battery life �X 4.5 hours.
>>
>> I noticed that too, but I think that he just forgot to put in "Amp-"
>> before "hours," or he may not understand how batteries are rated for
>> capacity (though the more common error is to use "Amps" without hours).
>
> Thank you Steve for pointing this out as I don't see any posts but yours.
> (The only people I have in my killfiles are Snit, Alan Baker, Rod Speed,
> Dustin Cook, et. al, so _you_ are not in my killfile & you never will be).
>
> Since my graduate work is also in electrical engineering (it's far more
> complicated than that but that's good enough for this purpose) much like
> your undergraduate EE degree, rest assured it was simply a typo (I didn't
> even look back as I _was_ talking only about battery Amp-hour ratings).
>
> Battery-life tests are a completely different component (in many ways).
>
> For example, given Apple touts their battery form factors, and given we are
> all well aware Apple cheaped out on battery materials in the iPhone 12, and
> given it appears Apple doesn't have a single modern-sized battery yet in
> any
> iPhone, what would be interesting is to find out if Apple makes even a
> _single_ iPhone that has a 4-1/2 Amp-hour rated battery in _any_ iPhone.
>
> Even so, I will agree ahead of time that the Amp-hour rating isn't as
> important as how long the battery lasts in typical use but we all have
> to realize that it's a fact nobody on the planet has ever independently
> replicated Apple's overly inflated battery life tests in any known report.

Other than the independent tests I've already cited, you mean.

In article <t1g8pd$1kav$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Since my graduate work is also in electrical engineering (it's far more
> complicated than that but that's good enough for this purpose)

for graduate work, is a telephoto lens used take photos of textbooks?

nospam wrote:

>> Since my graduate work is also in electrical engineering (it's far more
>> complicated than that but that's good enough for this purpose)
>
> for graduate work, is a telephoto lens used take photos of textbooks?

*What's your college undergraduate degree in nospam?*

On 2022-03-23 4:58 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Since my graduate work is also in electrical engineering (it's far more
>>> complicated than that but that's good enough for this purpose)
>>
>> for graduate work, is a telephoto lens used take photos of textbooks?
>
>  *What's your college undergraduate degree in nospam?*

What's yours first?

We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups as this thread is about the sheer
joy of owning a _modern_ phone (which all have huge batteries nowadays).

My fault.
I hadn't realized primitive iPhones don't have modern battery technology.

Searching only modern 2022 phones show _zero_ iPhones in those results.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&nBatCapacityMin=4400>

That shows 99 modern phones with huge batteries, literally _zero_ of which
are the primitive iPhones that _still_ ship with archaic battery technology.

Below are the first 70 in that list of almost 100 modern phones which
nowadays have _huge_ batteries (and many come with fast chargers too).

*6000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi 10 (India) - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*6000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy M33 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5600 mAh* Lenovo Legion Y90 - 640 GB storage, 18 GB RAM
*5500 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi K50 - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5160 mAh* Xiaomi 11i - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5050 mAh* Nokia G21 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5050 mAh* Nokia G11 - 32 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
*5050 mAh* Nokia C21 Plus - 64 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* vivo iQOO Z6 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* vivo T1 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* ZTE nubia Z40 Pro - 1024 GB storage, 16 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* ZTE nubia Red Magic 7 Pro - 1024 GB storage, 16 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11E Pro - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11E - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G (India) - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi K50 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi 10C - 128 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi 10 2022 - 128 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Poco X4 Pro 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Tecno Spark 8C - 64 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G - 1024 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy M23 - 128 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy F23 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy A73 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy A53 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy A33 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy A23 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy A13 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme Narzo 50A Prime - 128 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme Narzo 50 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme GT2 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme GT2 - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme GT Neo3 - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme C35 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme 9i - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme 9 Pro - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme 9 5G Speed - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Realme 9 5G - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Oppo K10 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Oppo Find X5 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Oppo A96 - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Oppo A76 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* OnePlus 10 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Motorola Moto G22 - 64 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Motorola Moto G Stylus (2022) - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
*5000 mAh* Infinix Zero 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4800 mAh* Oppo Find X5 - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4800 mAh* Motorola Edge 30 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4800 mAh* Honor Magic4 - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4700 mAh* vivo iQOO 9 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4700 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi K50 Gaming - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4600 mAh* Honor Magic4 Ultimate - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4600 mAh* Honor Magic4 Pro - 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* vivo iQOO 9 SE - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* ZTE nubia Red Magic 7 - 512 GB storage, 18 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi K40S - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Xiaomi 11i HyperCharge 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Realme 9 Pro+ - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Oppo Reno7 Z 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Oppo Reno7 5G - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Oppo Find X5 Lite - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* Oppo A96 (China) - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
*4500 mAh* OnePlus Nord CE 2 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM

Gone is the primitive approach iPhones use of nightly charging cycles.
That's one reason I absolutely _love_ my huge-battery 2021 free phone!
--
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educated person makes assessments based on the actual facts of the matter.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups as this thread is about the sheer
> joy of owning a _modern_ phone (which all have huge batteries nowadays).
>
> My fault.
> I hadn't realized primitive iPhones don't have modern battery technology.
>
> Searching only modern 2022 phones show _zero_ iPhones in those results.
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&nBatCapacityMin=4400>
>
> That shows 99 modern phones with huge batteries, literally _zero_ of which
> are the primitive iPhones that _still_ ship with archaic battery technology.
>
> Below are the first 70 in that list of almost 100 modern phones which
> nowadays have _huge_ batteries (and many come with fast chargers too).
>
> *6000 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi 10 (India) - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
> *6000 mAh* Samsung Galaxy M33 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
> *5600 mAh* Lenovo Legion Y90 - 640 GB storage, 18 GB RAM
> *5500 mAh* Xiaomi Redmi K50 - 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM
> *5160 mAh* Xiaomi 11i - 256 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
> *5050 mAh* Nokia G21 - 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM
> *5050 mAh* Nokia G11 - 32 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
> *5050 mAh* Nokia C21 Plus - 64 GB storage, 4 GB RAM
> *5000 mAh* vivo iQOO Z6 - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
> *5000 mAh* vivo T1 5G - 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM
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>
> Gone is the primitive approach iPhones use of nightly charging cycles.
> That's one reason I absolutely _love_ my huge-battery 2021 free phone!

You posted much of the same the other day. Funny how you’ve dropped the
whole concept of battery of life. That’s what matters. How long you can go
before having to recharge. Oy.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups as this thread is about
> the sheer
> joy of owning a _modern_ phone (which all have huge batteries
> nowadays).
>

That's a great idea. When will you get around to removing yourself?

Hank Rogers wrote:

> That's a great idea. When will you get around to removing yourself?

I have _both_ iOS and Android devices, which is different from you iKooks,
particularly the IQ 40 morons like Snit who make those hilarious videos.

All of you iKooks suffer from the confluence of three factors:
a. Your self esteem is in the toilet (rightly so)
b. And your IQ is too low for you to comprehend what adults can
c. Worse - none of you have _any_ education to speak of

That's _why_ you're iKooks.
1. You believed every lie Apple told you
2. To the point that facts can't fit into your child-like brains
*The sad fact is the iPhone is _primitive_ in terms of battery technology.*

Almost all (if not all) _modern_ phones come with huge batteries nowadays.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&nBatCapacityMin=4400>

I post the truth to the Apple newsgroups, which, in this case, is the fact
that the primitive iPhone uses archaic battery technology.

Personally, I _love_ my free modern (2021) Android 5G phones with their
_huge_ batteries, especially given my half-price iPhone 11 mini sucks.

Apple put cheap battery technology in my half-price iPhone 11 mini, not only
in the laughably puny form factor but Apple used cheap battery components
(which was widely reported so only the iKooks are ignorant of those facts).
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract

The battery life of my free Samsung phones outlasts that laughably paltry
iPhone every single day (were the only phone on the charger is the iPhone).

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> That's a great idea. When will you get around to removing yourself?
>
> I have _both_ iOS and Android devices,
If the ikooks tormented me as much as they torment you, I would
throw that damn iphones away! And get the hell out of here, as well.

After all, you're a super intelligent, highly educated adult, right?

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> That's a great idea. When will you get around to removing yourself?
>
> I have _both_ iOS and Android devices, which is different from you iKooks,
> particularly the IQ 40 morons like Snit who make those hilarious videos.

Funny how my videos still piss you off. Your precious Android was shown to
not be the best in all areas.

And now you’ve get to figure out that you’re still focused on battery
capacity and not battery life. Damn, you are being slow.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Hank Rogers wrote:

> If the ikooks tormented me as much as they torment you.

You always fail to comprehend anything and everything about adult topics...

Fact is, the iKooks don't torment me any more than the DK bank robber did.
These low-IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks actually _interest_ me.

Just like the strange lemon-juice bank robber interested Dunning & Kruger.

I've never met, in the flesh, people as incredibly ignorant as they are.
Essentially they garner _all_ their self esteem from what Apple feeds them.

Pray tell... do tell me more about you, "Hank Rogers".
*What is your education for example?*

You interest me in so much as I've never met people like you in the flesh.

BTW, the only iKooks I filter are the dumbest ones.
Those with an IQ below 50 such as Snit & Alan Baker & Rod Speed & Dustin.

Nothing can be learned from them.
But I keep the iKooks unfiltered who have _double_ their IQ's.

For example, nospam & Chris & Alan Browne have an IQ around 80.
One out of every hundred of their posts actually contain _adult_ value.

For _this_ thread, the point is that Apple fucked you on your battery tech.
Not a single iPhone contains modern battery technology (as in 2022).

That's why you are tethered to your overnight charging cycles.
The rest of us, with _modern_ battery technology, aren't.

In 2022, _all_ modern smartphones come with _huge_ batteries.
Gone are the primitive use models of charging the phone every night.
And gone are the archaic overnight waiting times to recharge the phone.

All _modern_ smartphones replenish from 0 to 100% in about 2-1/2 hours.
--
I don't care iKooks are child-like with a low-IQ, no education & low self
esteem; but due to that, they're so DK confident in always being dead wrong.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups

If only...

Chris wrote:

>> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups
>
> If only...

Hi there Chris,

You _wish_ I stopped telling the truth about Apple.
In fact, you _hate_ me _because_ I tell the truth about Apple.

As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
Apple: Santa Claus exists
Truth: No kids, he doesn't

The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries nowadays
which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).

All consumer electronics (except highly marketed devices) just gets
a. better
b. faster
c. cheaper

In fact, I am currently testing my _fast_ charger with my _free_ 64GB 5G
phone for example, where I expect a 0 to full charge in about 2-1/2 hours.

Given Apple doesn't even _ship_ a fast charger in the box anymore,
all the primitive (but highly marketed) iPhone does over time is get
a. worse
b. slower
c. more expensive

Yet Apple profit margins continue to be the envy of the industry.

Do you know why?
I do.

HINT: You can't make those ungodly profits off of an intelligent customer.
--
DOUBLE HINT: Apple R&D is the _lowest_ (bar none) in all of high tech.
TRIPLE HINT:
That's why Apple has _never_ designed a best-in-class SOC in its history.
Hell, Apple can't even design a competitive modem IC for Christs sake.
Nor can Apple even _integrate_ a modem they bought whole from Qualcomm.
Apple can't even design their own CPUs (they use ARM technology instead).

All Apple _can_ do is scream out in ads "TSMC SILICON!!!!!!!!!!!" (woo hoo).

On 25/03/2022 14:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>>> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups
>>
>> If only...
>
> Hi there Chris,
>
> You _wish_ I stopped telling the truth about Apple.
> In fact, you _hate_ me _because_ I tell the truth about Apple.

You have a very odd relationship with the truth. It's like some distant
cousin that you remember meeting at an aged aunt's funeral years ago.

> As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
> Apple: Santa Claus exists
> Truth: No kids, he doesn't
>
> The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries nowadays
> which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).

You're completely focused on capacity where the user only really cares
about time. Which in actual fact has gone backwards over the last 20
years. Mobile phones used to last for days and weeks with tiny capacity
batteries.

Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only need
to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.

Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> That's a great idea. When will you get around to removing yourself?
>>
>> I have _both_ iOS and Android devices,
> If the ikooks tormented me as much as they torment you, I would
> throw that damn iphones away! And get the hell out of here, as well.
>
> After all, you're a super intelligent, highly educated adult, right?

No, no! You got it ask wrong. He's only got average intelligence - he said
so many times - and even he, the mere mortal that he is, can see the GAPING
FLAWS in all things Apple.

What he seems to forget with his average intelligence is that ~50% of
people are more intelligent than him. It shows.

On 2022-03-25 8:18 a.m., Chris wrote:
> On 25/03/2022 14:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>>> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups
>>>
>>> If only...
>>
>> Hi there Chris,
>>
>> You _wish_ I stopped telling the truth about Apple.
>> In fact, you _hate_ me _because_ I tell the truth about Apple.
>
> You have a very odd relationship with the truth. It's like some distant
> cousin that you remember meeting at an aged aunt's funeral years ago.
>
>> As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
>> Apple: Santa Claus exists
>> Truth: No kids, he doesn't
>>
>> The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries
>> nowadays
>> which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).
>
> You're completely focused on capacity where the user only really cares
> about time. Which in actual fact has gone backwards over the last 20
> years. Mobile phones used to last for days and weeks with tiny capacity
> batteries.
>
> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
> usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only need
> to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.

Personally, I've never seen the big deal with charging every night.

You have to sleep, don't you?

:-)

Chris wrote:

> What he seems to forget with his average intelligence is that ~50% of
> people are more intelligent than him. It shows.

Please...

I consider it an insult when you can't even insult me using correct grammar.

Chris wrote:

> You have a very odd relationship with the truth. It's like some distant
> cousin that you remember meeting at an aged aunt's funeral years ago.

Hi Chris,

What all you low-IQ low-self-esteem uneducated iKooks hate are the facts.

Here's a truthful result which you can't hope to match with your primitive
archaic iPhones that never have modern battery technology (and it shows).
<https://i.postimg.cc/W1D9dNqw/charging11.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

My _free_ phone has a huge battery, and as a direct result:
a. It lasts forever
b. It doesn't need nightly charging
c. It charges completely in about two hours

The iPhone, in contrast:
a. Barely lasts a day
b. Requires nightly charge cycles
c. Doesn't even come with a charger, let alone a fast charger

>> As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
>> Apple: Santa Claus exists
>> Truth: No kids, he doesn't
>>
>> The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries nowadays
>> which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).
>
> You're completely focused on capacity where the user only really cares
> about time. Which in actual fact has gone backwards over the last 20
> years. Mobile phones used to last for days and weeks with tiny capacity
> batteries.

I'm focused on the fact you're stuck with archaic nightly charge cycles.

While my iPhone is stuck on the bedstand, my Android charges in two hours!
<https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours
> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
> usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only need
> to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.

The fact remains that _all_ modern phones have huge batteries nowadays:
*Gone are the primitive need for archaic nightly charge cycles*
--
The problem with all low IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks is simply
that their ego is melded by the bullshit that Apple cleverly feeds them.

On 2022-03-25 11:27 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> You have a very odd relationship with the truth. It's like some
>> distant cousin that you remember meeting at an aged aunt's funeral
>> years ago.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> What all you low-IQ low-self-esteem uneducated iKooks hate are the facts.
>
> Here's a truthful result which you can't hope to match with your primitive
> archaic iPhones that never have modern battery technology (and it shows).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/W1D9dNqw/charging11.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

And the goalposts move again!

>
> My _free_ phone has a huge battery, and as a direct result:
> a. It lasts forever
> b. It doesn't need nightly charging
> c. It charges completely in about two hours

Which phone is that?

>
> The iPhone, in contrast:

Which iPhone?

> a. Barely lasts a day
> b. Requires nightly charge cycles
> c. Doesn't even come with a charger, let alone a fast charger
>
>>> As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
>>> Apple: Santa Claus exists
>>> Truth: No kids, he doesn't
>>>
>>> The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries
>>> nowadays
>>> which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).
>>
>> You're completely focused on capacity where the user only really cares
>> about time. Which in actual fact has gone backwards over the last 20
>> years. Mobile phones used to last for days and weeks with tiny
>> capacity batteries.
>
> I'm focused on the fact you're stuck with archaic nightly charge cycles.
>
> While my iPhone is stuck on the bedstand, my Android charges in two hours!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

And what practical difference does that make to you?

>
>> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
>> usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only
>> need to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.
>
> The fact remains that _all_ modern phones have huge batteries nowadays:
> *Gone are the primitive need for archaic nightly charge cycles*

Which gains you... ...what?