On 2022-03-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-25 8:18 a.m., Chris wrote:
>>
>> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre
>> time usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to
>> only need to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first
>> mobiles.
>
> Personally, I've never seen the big deal with charging every night.
>
> You have to sleep, don't you?

Indeed. I throw mine on the charger beside my bed each night regardless
of how low the battery happens to be. I don't even think about charging
it anymore - it's just routine. Would I love it if a single charge
lasted multiple days? Sure. Is it an actual problem that it doesn't?
Nope.

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On 2022-03-25, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> If the ikooks tormented me as much as they torment you, I would throw
>> that damn iphones away! And get the hell out of here, as well.
>>
>> After all, you're a super intelligent, highly educated adult, right?
>
> No, no! You got it ask wrong. He's only got average intelligence - he
> said so many times - and even he, the mere mortal that he is, can see
> the GAPING FLAWS in all things Apple.
>
> What he seems to forget with his average intelligence is that ~50% of
> people are more intelligent than him. It shows.

Really?? Haven't you seen his photos of old books?!

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On 3/25/2022 10:14 AM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> Personally, I've never seen the big deal with charging every night.
>
> You have to sleep, don't you?

The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
the hotel all day. I'm typically using apps like Moovit, All Trails, and
other mapping apps. A 12-16 hour day of that is too much for most
phones, including ones with our favorite troll's "massive batteries" so
I take along a back-up battery pack. In the olden days I'd just take
along a spare battery for the phone.

Jolly Roger wrote:

>> What he seems to forget with his average intelligence is that ~50% of
>> people are more intelligent than him. It shows.
>
> Really?? Haven't you seen his photos of old books?!

The fact remains that the iPhone uses outdated archaic battery technology.
<https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

In 2022, *all modern phones now come with huge batteries* which inherently
allow for long life, both in terms of daily use, and in terms of lifetime.

By way of stark comparison, the iPhone is downright archaically primitive.
In addition, many modern phones now come with free modern fast chargers.

As a fact which will make you iKooks cry in shame, my _free_ phone (which
has far more app functionality than the most expensive iPhone ever sold),
charged today from to full in under two hours (a test I promised yesterday).

And yet, the iPhone is _always_ needing to be recharged every damn night.
It's yet another proof of how archaically primitive iPhone technology is.
--
The problem with all low IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks is simply
that their ego is melded by the bullshit that Apple cleverly feeds them.

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Indeed. I throw mine on the charger beside my bed each night regardless
> of how low the battery happens to be. I don't even think about charging
> it anymore - it's just routine. Would I love it if a single charge
> lasted multiple days? Sure. Is it an actual problem that it doesn't?
> Nope.

*The point of this thread is to show how _primitive_ iPhone technology is.*
And you agreed with that point by what you say is your primitive use model.

The fact is I too used the primitive archaic stone-age methods you did, JR.
But no more.

I _love_ my phone with the huge battery and the fast charger, Jolly Roger.
I'm not stuck in the Stone Age of battery technology like all iPhones are.

*All modern smartphones come with huge batteries & many with fast chargers*.

The instant I had a _modern_ phone with a _huge_ battery and a free fast
charger that came in the box, I realized what a boon it is to be set free.

Gone are those stone-age days where you have to do what _you_ have to do.
The rest of us have a phone that lasts for days & charges almost instantly.
--
The problem with low IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks is simply that
their ego is intertwined with the bullshit that Apple cleverly feeds them.

On 2022-03-25 1:23 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> What he seems to forget with his average intelligence is that ~50% of
>>> people are more intelligent than him. It shows.
>>
>> Really?? Haven't you seen his photos of old books?!
>
> The fact remains that the iPhone uses outdated archaic battery technology.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

Interesting you've moved the goalposts...

....and you're still wrong.

'Fast-charge capable: Up to 50% charge in 30 minutes11 with 20W adapter
or higher (available separately)'

<https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-13/specs/>

'Does Your iPhone Support Fast Charging?

iPhones have long supported faster charging with a 12W iPad adapter and
Apple improved on that rate by introducing fast charging via USB Power
Delivery (PD) with the release of the iPhone 8 in 2017. With PD, most
newer iPhones can charge at up to 22W, while the iPhone 13 Pro Max
reportedly supports up to 27W wired charging.'

<https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-fast-iphone-chargers>

'With a 20-watt brick and Lightning to USB-C cable, you can go from zero
to 50% charged in half an hour, and fully charge an iPhone 13 in about
two hours.'

<https://9to5mac.com/2021/12/12/how-to-fast-charge-iphone-13/>

You were saying?

>
> In 2022, *all modern phones now come with huge batteries* which inherently
> allow for long life, both in terms of daily use, and in terms of lifetime.
>
> By way of stark comparison, the iPhone is downright archaically
> primitive. In addition, many modern phones now come with free modern
> fast chargers.

"Many"?

Is that as accurate as your "most" about 5 amp-hour batteries in phones?

>
> As a fact which will make you iKooks cry in shame, my _free_ phone (which
> has far more app functionality than the most expensive iPhone ever sold),
> charged today from to full in under two hours (a test I promised
> yesterday).

So no better than a modern iPhone.

Got it.

>
> And yet, the iPhone is _always_ needing to be recharged every damn night.
> It's yet another proof of how archaically primitive iPhone technology is.

How is that related to your previous paragraph. What did you mean by
"and yet"?

sms wrote:

> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
> the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
> the hotel all day. I'm typically using apps like Moovit, All Trails, and
> other mapping apps. A 12-16 hour day of that is too much for most
> phones, including ones with our favorite troll's "massive batteries" so
> I take along a back-up battery pack. In the olden days I'd just take
> along a spare battery for the phone.

What Steve is clearly ignorant of is the two hour charging times.
<https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

On 2022-03-25 1:28 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Indeed. I throw mine on the charger beside my bed each night regardless
>> of how low the battery happens to be. I don't even think about charging
>> it anymore - it's just routine. Would I love it if a single charge
>> lasted multiple days? Sure. Is it an actual problem that it doesn't?
>> Nope.
>
> *The point of this thread is to show how _primitive_ iPhone technology is.*
> And you agreed with that point by what you say is your primitive use model.
>
> The fact is I too used the primitive archaic stone-age methods you did, JR.
> But no more.
>
> I _love_ my phone with the huge battery and the fast charger, Jolly Roger.
> I'm not stuck in the Stone Age of battery technology like all iPhones are.
>
> *All modern smartphones come with huge batteries & many with fast
> chargers*.

Because you now define "modern smartphones" as "comes with huge
batteries"...

....without regard for whether or not that means actual long run times.

And for the record, more than a third of all phones listed at GSMArena
from the year 2020 on have batteries 4400 milliamp-hours or smaller.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&nBatCapacityMax=4400&sAvailabilities=1>

That's 521 out of 1250.

You lose again.

>
> The instant I had a _modern_ phone with a _huge_ battery and a free fast
> charger that came in the box, I realized what a boon it is to be set free.
>
> Gone are those stone-age days where you have to do what _you_ have to do.
> The rest of us have a phone that lasts for days & charges almost instantly.

Show us all precisely how long your phone lasts.

On 2022-03-25 1:31 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling
>> outside the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being
>> gone from the hotel all day. I'm typically using apps like Moovit, All
>> Trails, and other mapping apps. A 12-16 hour day of that is too much
>> for most phones, including ones with our favorite troll's "massive
>> batteries" so I take along a back-up battery pack. In the olden days
>> I'd just take along a spare battery for the phone.
>
> What Steve is clearly ignorant of is the two hour charging times.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/T1CkDhcC/charging12.jpg> modern charge = 2 hours

'With a 20-watt brick and Lightning to USB-C cable, you can go from zero
to 50% charged in half an hour, and fully charge an iPhone 13 in about
two hours.'

<https://9to5mac.com/2021/12/12/how-to-fast-charge-iphone-13/>

You were saying?

On 2022-03-25 17:14:42 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-03-25 8:18 a.m., Chris wrote:
>> On 25/03/2022 14:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We may as well remove the Apple newsgroups
>>>>
>>>> If only...
>>>
>>> Hi there Chris,
>>>
>>> You _wish_ I stopped telling the truth about Apple.
>>> In fact, you _hate_ me _because_ I tell the truth about Apple.
>>
>> You have a very odd relationship with the truth. It's like some distant
>> cousin that you remember meeting at an aged aunt's funeral years ago.
>>
>>> As the truth, to people who own imaginary belief systems, is dangerous.
>>> Apple: Santa Claus exists
>>> Truth: No kids, he doesn't
>>>
>>> The fact remains that _all_ the modern phones have huge batteries nowadays
>>> which negate the archaic need to charge nightly (which iPhones require).
>>
>> You're completely focused on capacity where the user only really cares
>> about time. Which in actual fact has gone backwards over the last 20
>> years. Mobile phones used to last for days and weeks with tiny capacity
>> batteries.
>>
>> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
>> usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only need
>> to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.
>
> Personally, I've never seen the big deal with charging every night.
>
> You have to sleep, don't you?
>
> :-)

The phones of 20 years ago didn't do a lot. The phones of today are
much faster, much brighter, higher-res/sized display, and are expected
to do a lot more (even if most people only use tham as glorified
two-way pagers) ... all of that means needing more power from a battery
that is about the same physical size.

Similarly, they make electric cars, but then keeping adding more and
more gimmickry and laws for daytime running lights that simply uses up
the battery power quicker. :-\

In most ways, battery tech has barely changed since the days of the
ancient Greeks. It's no surprise that more powerful modern devices have
batteries that don't last as long as old devices did.

If you really want a longer lasting phone, there are battery phone
cases which can double (or more) the usage time, at the expense of
making the phone a little bulkier and heavier.

In article <t1kmgq$cf$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nowadays phones have massively battery capacity but only mediocre time
> usability. Even your so-called "modern" ones. I would love to only need
> to charge my phone once a week as I did with my first mobiles.

my first mobile was analog and needed two batteries for a single day.

digital phones had *much* better battery life, but didn't do anywhere
near what modern phones do.

however, if battery life is what you want, there are still flip phones
and candy bar phones available.

and then there was this:
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6748375/Energizer-unvei
ls-radical-phone-massive-battery-three-iPhones.html>
The phone is essentially a brick with a screen that promises 48 hours
of continuous video playback, or up to 50 days of power on standby. 

In article <t1l88k$rla$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
> the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
> the hotel all day. I'm typically using apps like Moovit, All Trails, and
> other mapping apps. A 12-16 hour day of that is too much for most
> phones, including ones with our favorite troll's "massive batteries" so
> I take along a back-up battery pack. In the olden days I'd just take
> along a spare battery for the phone.

that's an edge case, but regardless, it isn't an issue.

On 25 Mar 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
> the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
> the hotel all day.

How much would it cost you to buy the Apple fast charger for your iPhone?

nospam wrote:

> if battery life is what you want, there are still flip phones
> and candy bar phones available.

Hi nospam,

I suspect your IQ is too low for you to correctly answer this question, but
I'll ask since you claim to know why Apple puts archaic outdated technology
in the iPhone.

Why do _you_ think that all iPhones come with grossly substandard battery &
charging technology?

HINT: Apple's "profits" are huge.
--
DOUBLEHINT: You can't make those profits off an intelligent customer base.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> if battery life is what you want, there are still flip phones
>> and candy bar phones available.
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> I suspect your IQ is too low for you to correctly answer this question, but
> I'll ask since you claim to know why Apple puts archaic outdated technology
> in the iPhone.
>
> Why do _you_ think that all iPhones come with grossly substandard battery &
> charging technology?
>
> HINT: Apple's "profits" are huge.

Do you masturbate fantasizing over the demise of Apple and licking up the
tears of the fanbois? I ask because anyone who posts as much as you about
hatred of a mobile operating system must be into some really messed up
shit.

On 3/25/2022 4:26 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
>> the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
>> the hotel all day.
>
> How much would it cost you to buy the Apple fast charger for your iPhone?

I have plenty of fast chargers, both QC and PD. but that's immaterial
when you're away from mains power for the whole day.

Last time I ran into this was pre-pandemic, in 2019, in Europe and Asia.
In two cities I was away from the hotel from early morning to late at
night and I was using the phone a lot for navigation and web browsing
and needed to charge during the day.

Fortunately, most airplanes now have power outlets, USB, AC, or both,
even in coach.

Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 4:26 PM, Nil wrote:
>> On 25 Mar 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>
>>> The time I really notice the battery issue is when I'm traveling outside
>>> the U.S., walking around, taking buses and subways, and being gone from
>>> the hotel all day.
>>
>> How much would it cost you to buy the Apple fast charger for your iPhone?
>
> I have plenty of fast chargers, both QC and PD. but that's immaterial
> when you're away from mains power for the whole day.
>
> Last time I ran into this was pre-pandemic, in 2019, in Europe and Asia.
> In two cities I was away from the hotel from early morning to late at
> night and I was using the phone a lot for navigation and web browsing
> and needed to charge during the day.
>
> Fortunately, most airplanes now have power outlets, USB, AC, or both,
> even in coach.
>
> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>
I have an older iPhone and it works. End of story.

In article <t1lkh5$f2p$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.

exactly why it's not an issue.

*Hemidactylus* wrote:

> Do you masturbate fantasizing over the demise of Apple and licking up the
> tears of the fanbois? I ask because anyone who posts as much as you about
> hatred of a mobile operating system must be into some really messed up
> shit.

hehhehheh... you ignorant low-IQ iKooks get _everything_ dead wrong.
I don't hate Apple as I probably buy more Apple devices than you do.

You low-IQ low-self-esteem uneducated iKooks interest me much as a lowly ant
under a magnifying glass interests some people who tower over them.

What you _hate_ is when I bring the magnifying glass to the facts.
You _hate_ all facts about Apple.

It's no different than if you still believe in Santa Claus.
Hence, you'd _hate_ all facts that prove Santa is a marketing gimmick.

It's the same with you low-IQ no-education low-esteem iKooks Hemidactylus.

I study you low-IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks Hemidactylus.
Just as Dunning & Kruger studied the low-IQ lemon-juice bank robber.

Having been educated at the finest schools in the country, I have never met,
personally and in the flesh, people of such low IQ as you iKooks clearly
are.

Not a single one of you iKooks has so much as an undergraduate education.
Most of you didn't even graduate from high school, Hemidactylus.

And yet, you uneducated iKooks thrive on Usenet.
Do you know why?

I do.

Hence that's why I asked nospam the logical question any person would ask:

*Why do _you_ think that all iPhones come with grossly*
*substandard archaic battery & laughable charging technology?*
--
HINT:
You can't make those ungodly profits off of an intelligent customer base.

On 25 Mar 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.

How much would it cost anyone to buy the Apple fast charger for your iPhone?

On 25 Mar 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

>> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>
> exactly why it's not an issue.

When did Apple start selling the iPhone 12 fast charger in the Apple stores?

On 25 Mar 2022, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

>> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>>
> I have an older iPhone and it works. End of story.

What did Apple Stores do with non Apple fast chargers just months
before the iPhone 12 was released in those same Apple stores?

On 2022-03-25 5:43 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>>> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>>
>> exactly why it's not an issue.
>
> When did Apple start selling the iPhone 12 fast charger in the Apple stores?

I don't know precisely when.

But it's less than $20.

On 2022-03-25 5:43 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>>> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>>
>> exactly why it's not an issue.
>
> When did Apple start selling the iPhone 12 fast charger in the Apple stores?

Some time back in 2020...

On 2022-03-25 5:45 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2022, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>>> Even a 1A/5W charger is enough to charge a phone overnight.
>>>
>> I have an older iPhone and it works. End of story.
>
> What did Apple Stores do with non Apple fast chargers just months
> before the iPhone 12 was released in those same Apple stores?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables?page=2&f=charger&fh=458e%2B45d4>

Nothing.