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* Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Tiglath
+* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Peter Jason
|`* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)SolomonW
| `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Peter Jason
|  `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Tiglath
|   +* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Ed Stasiak
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|   | `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Ed Stasiak
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|   | `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)The Horny Goat
|   |  `- Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Tiglath
|   `- Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Peter Jason
`* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)SolomonW
 +* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Tiglath
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 `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Ed Stasiak
  +- Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Tiglath
  `* Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)SolomonW
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   |`- Re: Zionist Racism Comes to a Boil (Again)Eric Stevens
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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 20 May 2021 13:36 UTC

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > te...@tiglath.net
> > > Ed Stasiak
> > >
> > > As I’ve pointed out before, the assimilation of immigrants
> > > can only happen when their numbers are strictly limited to
> > > put them in a position where they have no choice but to
> > > become assimilated.
> >
> > Unless they are slaves, people are free to walk away from the
> > land they don't enjoy living in.
> But they are not free to walk into any land they choose and demand
> a whole raft of welfare benefits, that their children automatically
> be citizens, that the host nation change its language and culture
> to suit them, etc.

You are dreaming again. You conjure up imaginary wind mills to charge with horse and lance.

Any benefits immigrants get, are not taken, but given, according to our laws.
Where is that immigrants have installed another language instead of English in the U.S.?

The culture all over the U.S. is American. In fact due to having the same language, currency and other common attributes, American culture if far more homogeneous than that of any other continent, with the exception of Australia. Everywhere you go in America it looks like America.

You are living in Strawman land, constantly exaggerating or wholly inventing national problems in order to blame the Democrats for them. "Open borders," culture replacement, language bastardization. Things that are just not happening. A brown face is not a cultural assault.

This is another, "Stop the Steal" scheme. There was certainly fraud during the 2020 election, a voter got prosecuted for voting for Trump in her dead mother's name. There might even be a few other cases here or there. but there is NO EVIDENCE of substantial fraud that would come near to overturning the election result.

Fox News is eating your brain, Ed. You use the same sandcastles they broadcast: the same lies and exaggerations to accuse Dems of wrongdoing.

I'll talk politics with you when you drop those annoying mannerisms and rank falsehoods.

> > > When you throw open the borders
> >
> > Our borders aren't open, they have never been in my lifetime.
> Please, our border with Mexico its laughably porous and if an
> illegal hasn’t already been arrested and deported, they can just
> stroll over a legal crossing point and stay in the U.S. forever.
>
> Not to mention we have states like California that are actively
> subverting our immigration laws and refusing to work with ICE,
> giving illegals state drivers licenses.

That's not open borders.

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 20 May 2021 13:55 UTC

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:

> > Our borders aren't open, they have never been in my lifetime.

> Please, our border with Mexico its laughably porous and if an

From open to porous. Which one? Make up your mind.

That's some progress.

So 'porous' must mean that while our borders are not open, some stretches are unguarded.

Well, that's how Congress wants it, apparently, and how THE PEOPLE want it, otherwise they would pay for more border patrols to guard it like the Berlin Wall was guarded - the only thing that would please you, I think.

How can this be true after your Trump got Mexico to pay for a Wall to solve the problem?
He had four long years to do it, and even took the money from the Pentagon to build his wall.
What happened?

Did Trump fail to deliver?

Why?

That was your best shot against immigrants, guy. You are not going to have a president as good as Trump to get permission to act on your xenophobia, any time soon. What happened?

It looks like Trump is great at starting projects, especially the announcement part, but not so good at finishing them.

He promised a tight border sealed with an impenetrable wall, and you are still talking 'porous'?

Boy, you've been had.

The border is patrolled by US law enforcement. If it is porous is because WE THE PEOPLE don't really want to invest on more border patrol resources, because we don't see how those immigrants coming up are such a bad thing. They are people who work like demons doing the jobs we don't want to do.

That's quite a service, if you ask me, and it doesn't go unnoticed. As to rapists and criminals, statistics show that immigrants are MORE law abiding than regular citizens, not that this fact will stop Deplorables calling them rapists and criminals...

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 20 May 2021 16:45 UTC

If you oppose war crimes only by your enemies, it’s not clear that you actually oppose war crimes.

That’s a thought worth wrestling with as many experts suggest that both Hamas and Israel are engaging in crimes of war in the current Gaza conflict. For the same reason that we deplore Hamas’s shelling of Israel, shouldn’t we also demand that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accept a cease-fire and stop bombings that kill far greater numbers of innocents?

Why should our tax dollars subsidize a rain of destruction that has killed scores of children, damaged 17 hospitals and clinics and forced 72,000 people to flee their homes?

Stupid Biden has blocked the United Nations Security Council from calling for a cease-fire. He apparently believes that he can accomplish more with private diplomacy than with public rebukes. Good luck with that.

Alas, it’s difficult to spot this “progress.” Netanyahu has used American cover to expand settlements and pretty much destroy any hope of a two-state solution. He has winked at domestic extremism, so that at least 100 new WhatsApp groups in Israel (with names like “Death to Arabs”) encourage violence against Palestinians. And now he is bombing Gaza and igniting street fighting that President Reuven Rivlin of Israel has called a “civil war.”

Some progress!

There is a Good Israel, though:

At home it has a robust democracy that gives more rights to Arab citizens than its neighbors do: Israel does treat its Arab citizens better than Egypt, Syria or Saudi Arabia treat their Arab citizens.

Yet there’s also the other Israel that systematically discriminates against Palestinians in the occupied territories and seems to think it can indefinitely control theand grab their land and water without giving them voting rights -- Apartheid Israel.

So bravo to Senators Bernie Sanders and Jon Ossoff for showing leadership in Congress by standing up to Netanyahu. It’s notable that both men are Jewish, for today the strongest supporters of Netanyahu’s hard-line policies are not American Jews but white evangelical Christians. A Pew survey last year found that fewer than one-third of young Jews in the United States rated Netanyahu as good or excellent, and barely one-quarter strongly opposed the B.D.S. movement to boycott Israel.

Israel is a rich country. We should re-route its aid money to vaccinate people in poor countries against Covid-19.

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